the maritime security threats they use primarily and the re being late, therefore alongside the rates. the coastal countries we are primarily responsible for the security of this area. and this navigation, we do not accept a foreign presence with american or otherwise in this area. under the pretext of security, combining piracy or fighting cycle, terrorism, we, native zip is region responsible for managing it and preserving its security. we believe this american rhetoric is outdated and unacceptable. americans have nothing left but to heat the demands of arab and islamic nations to leave the region and entrust the security to his people, governments, and states. they should primarily stop the aggression on garza, if they keen on restoring security in the region and the wells. the

mass general fancy and welcome back to going underground broadcasting all around the world from the middle east is u. k u s. u armed israel is continued the killing and gaza, the westbank lab and, and, and syria with the, by the administration declaring no red lines for his royal. what can stop thousands more from being killed? joining the someone who has been in the israeli government as the justice minister and deputy foreign minister, former us back peace planned negotiator, and an architect of the 1993. also the records you'll see bailey and joins me from tel aviv. thanks so much. you also for coming on, the violence has been continuing for a weeks. of course, i mean how many more people do you think joined the come us for every bomb dropped on garza and do you think it's an issue that concerns me is really in effect coalition government? well, i don't know what day. well does concern them with all due respect they as you know me for a few years time it's thorn supposition. produce

a government they hold that after the world there we lay there will end to them. okay. and bear with me this is what really happened. but did you asked me about a joining come mazda as a result of the day of the conflict now? okay, i'm sure that you are right. i mean, usually in such a situation, you see the people. i then define a weekday. we decide sometimes we did the suit, the 2 side. sometimes it is one side, but it cannot be a reason to allow us to remain the government in gaza. and that is the main point. i mean, they ensure that it was true, and we the end of del governing garza because they all doing all 4 things to that is. so is it so this is surrounding police, right. and to the arab countries, we sometimes shy to say openly,

but i'm sure that you know, we, the entire schools know it because i'm getting very many phone calls for people on the phone they are, but it's juniors and for may others in the region know who say, don't give up, don't give up you all fighting for all of us. so a to the mission is to just destroy the president of mass leadership, because if indeed it is an issue that you agree with and so forth for how boss is a body's surgeon getting the west bank full of the line. yeah, so it's increasing the number to reach me said we, we that. i mean we did call and situation i can understand dicky to is that but not for long. i mean, if people see that this guys is under a normal, a ruler, not a bad and though these a is zillow's, they're really just and, and, and i'm and i'm ended surging in the west bank. not only i know i reaction joy, can you between gauge white, i'm sure,

because they're watching tv and seeing what is happening to bill benjamin and i can understand it. but i don't think it will go full long because they are the ones they see this day the situation. any guys after the world, even though would be it was the see if it would be interviewed. oh oh. and the will they keep it, they, they, they, they lead to sleeping in guys, hopefully not to use well, it sense a identity to us. and we change though, and then we understand that what was done mean guys, that was, it must of course there is a, a, a list or a full i had involved people in guys which is really very problematic. but please give me another solution for the current, a situation after october, the 7th, when we know what they can do, and we know that they can retail, and we know that it is a must likely to ice the scene that bus to put an end to

a situation will buy a, the, a to zillow. it's like them all governing an area. i want to give their own devices in a moment, but to us for solution daily. the solution that's argued for by the u. a. russia, china is an immediate cease fire. and some kind of negotiations in the neutral country that's not directly involved in the conflict doesn't. that's the solution as the, as all boys except save world war 2. daniel, what is it before is with this will usually you'll have 2 sides, which are, it will end, but they are ready to negotiate a behind the scenes publicly for what the eval. and usually people like by says, all you all says, well sales. well, this is the best solution, the compromise between them every day does a win win. you either will. very said,

but now sit together, make peace between yourselves, and that's the end of the story. or the only problem is how mazda is not to do. i mean, i wanted to talk to people the forms on my smoke now. in the last years for the people like me. oh, the worst enemies. because they don't want to, i'd like to stay in solution. they don't want to have these wireless around. they don't want to have to use it. yes, i thought i lost that except to the 1967. the board is i'm what is behind it? literally no, this is very, very in bold. when they became so called moderate and said okay, was reset, is faithful. the time being with the 67 bolt as they never said, we do because he is one doesn't exist full of them. you know, usually let's resolution like that. thank you very much. i don't think this, maybe it was a stop. maybe it was a starting point. but what is this computer restored?

but well, that'd be done. what do i need to talk with me about the not do i get to talk with any is really about the they are not about this. if they say that, imagine that i must say tomorrow. now, after so many use, we are ready to talk to these wireless well are ready to the 2 state solution and the liberal, negotiate about the bowl down refugee is your name me. i would imagine that that won't be the kind of a solution despite all what happened in the past. okay. does that mean? you know, this week was the 10 years since nelson mandela died? you know, how many people say that it's an apartheid states, a israel, nelson mandela refused to negotiate unless the release of the amc prison is guilty of blowing up restaurants frequented by whites in the africa. right. is that normally power is, i mean, which was 9 when you, when you lift the prison was released. i'm honest one though it's prisoners. they

went to all the prisoners or they call them hostages al bainsville released. but no to uh, from uh send me the don't want the drum asked me to ask. they don't stop. no, no, no, no, not until they're the president, the palestinian prisoners are released by his rep is just as a and see that you know, if you can quote today, well they are saying release or the prism is in the well and really to talk to you well know the game, i'm just good in the conditions for talking we to me, well that's what nelson mandela did, and that's how peace eventually happened in south africa. what do you think if i was a friend of mine from estimates on monday, i don't compare them by and i interviewed him here and that was his clear. ok. but it was when he was released to the negotiations of the united nations on. does that contribute to believe that the adult thought most slowing investigations now? i i'm just, i'm just doing the interviewing here. and i'm saying that the excel i'm telling you,

if they say we are ready for when it goes to asians, we do so at least i still though it is before though it is. what as though this is another board game, even after the 7, the october, the 7th, because i don't believe for anything, revenge a, but they are not saying, well there was a little that prism is a laser, is when the payment right to is due to exist the day was big, the price on the $1.00, but each okay, i'll do all the took only to all the to release. i will, you know, 10 months babies. dell, dell, keeping the phone was full, was got something so that nobody in the world will regarding the october the 7th. what do you think of all this information that is solely coming out that the sexual crimes were being uh, evidence is being promoted by this group. zacko, i don't know who that is. it's i understand founded by a rapist, gave me

a break. i don't want even to argue about these people don't believe that these, these for women, oil heat and right, then whatever i'm looking to situation to drove them, they're all, they don't want to believe so the remotely from what they do, we made them assess abuse and said we were raped. okay, but there's no, no, no, no, no, but you know, to our games. but what do you make of 2, valid scope of this? a, give them the security team for cable. it's very telling her ets is riley forces kill these rarely jews. and october, the 7th, the idea of cold for aerial strikes of killed his riley's ok. maybe it is true and all the a lot of 1200 people who were killed on the 7th of october when people use ratings . but why is that not on? it's actually in the israeli press, but it's not in the breads in the united states and i believe that it is 100 percent. right. how you will crazy, please raise you not using the whole day?

well, i'm a bill, we did our service we raped, i will says, no, i invented, which i don't think there was any evidence of rape on either side, isn't it? but there's no evidence to those that's coming up. you know, i don't want to, i, of course it goes that's good to isis. let's get to take your stuff to the bait. let's get to ice just because you mentioned ices. and of course, somebody doesn't want to believe that drugs have these, which took place then was the matter belief it's presenting the evidence is presenting the evidence isn't good. so it is, it gives a joyce intervention. what is or what happened on october. the 7th was, is why no, the only source in the sunday times for instance, uh in the past few days with this uh, group. zach. uh and i understand it was founded by a rapist himself. yeah. who dimensions uh, we'll kill himself. but let's get devices and the, the ice is fights is,

what was israel's position on isis? because didn't israel back the so called rebel groups in syria? do we have video of nothing? yeah. who visiting isis fighters in 2014 wraps again times of is a little thing. is there a long been funded 12 groups? you'll want me to be to spectrum to find it that you all know. i know you don't like them, you know, a supporter of the name, but his job is please no, no, but is with you. i know you. i know that you are very serious person and the joint at least. and i don't want to participate in such a dialogue that somebody is what i'm thinking is that god believes that there was no rate that there was most have enough of the bill. there was no such as so no, no, no they, no, no, no it, no, no they, i, i freeze. sure. i know the people say they are cited as the evidence in british newspapers for the evidence, for rape taking place and sexual crimes. on october the 7th. clearly,

but that's okay. let's go to gaza right now. let's go to gaza right now. what do you think about israel's isolation in the international community? as well as the former deputy minister of foreign affairs in the is there any government the full mer? uh, is there any minister of justice diploma is randy minutes? are we good? i'll make some planning. the fullness spokesman with the is there any labor, buddy? the former a is really minister in the prime minister's office of israel. you'll see band ended the interview more from going on, the ground up to the stroke, right? the more expensive. and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do, you do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different.

whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department c i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do, don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the wayne thing the stick them with them for me to put them. would we get to the side of celia? was this because it did just wouldn't care. to get a car through the new year. oh for g. teach. so i know for me teaching typical scholar said should to school and you have cheated us. i'm going to last. i look forward to you with that though. especially as much. it's uh, ocean by cheap, and when you move, move them on the status of enforcement. so mostly

the book. let me look into that. i will just, i get i as well as to the lowest, the dates. i'm going to study to the progressive rock. i used to be a shy finish, this is just to just quoted you, a q i'm a fraction of when you come seem to do friday. if you order into a power of people for over the, for sure, enter them in the temperature of the election to some of this the welcome back to going underground. in the 1st off, we spoke to former israeli, just it's minutes. you'll see bailey and who terminated the interview about gaza. but in the hours of thursday morning this week, the legendary british pose in writer who addressed global political injustice, benjamin jeff and i died at the age of 65. here is one of the last interviews he

did with us on this show. benjamin, thanks for being on going underground again while we have the premises studio in east london. and what is the revolutionary mines the tour of the album, the track? well, the track on the album i guess is about of the revolution that i think we need now not necessarily one where people type of space and all that stuff without it. sometimes i think we need a bit of that. but more about trying to get people to think differently. i'm, i'm just convinced that the old way of doing stuff is just redundant. and although you hear that from the part to people then hearing of change, you know. yeah, yeah. and on a lot. but, you know, i've sent to you before, you know, i feel economic just and that's the only way i can describe myself now, because i look at so many otherwise, people have tried to think that all that in a style and in one way or another. i mean, got to find a new way. i don't know what the name of it is. i'm not telling people have developed. i'm just trying to say, think outside the box. you know what i show? we've had lucky that the drill minister must have phonics,

even mainstream start as like storms in your, on this music to or, i mean, i can on the bbc in general for in britain. and they often have debates about whether it's music that's part of the problem. as regards a really cannot make violence of stereotypes is between the of a crash music. as far as i've seen as not my people on implies music does not put people into by the house in music has not left kids on the street hungry music does not cost homelessness. music is trying to reflect those things, the release of jailing or suspended sentences, certainly for musicians drilling music in south london starting south on the 9th national. that's being blamed for the rising series. you try and find no artist that to drill music. i'm not used to be cold road music on dry music. and a lot of them are very creative people, but i live in

a very hot spot environment and they just reflecting the reality. and it's when i started creating music, it was a reggae music, and we were talking about unplug unemployment. we took that bubble on the system. it was thing, that's what it was doing to us. that was already oddity. there's a wonderful a, as i'm sorry for quoting, it might seem several typical if a guy with dreadlocks to be quoted enough, a guy who had lots to do with an interview and somebody was interviewed by molly and setting up, why is your work so political then you just didn't understand the quite angry that it was what the thing was, the pin number because he just for, i'm just writing it by my reality. i'm just writing about the way we live. i'm more thing about the why we stuff. i'm writing about the why be, at least, you know, i'm writing about the way colonialism is affecting me. if it doesn't sit down and go, and i'm going to write political music and i don't think, you know, i'm drill artist because i'm going to write really drilling music to upset people and cause violence. this is a reality. you jimmy cliff was on this show around the time the most l environment

story started to emerge. and obviously he was suitably angry. but since to resume and the disgrace comes, i could for example, right. i think she might be bringing natalie to this as she went, we mean having caribbean families on the show to hear about people who are in their eighties, who never traveled abroad. who are people with rather deportation, leaving the conquered of funerals. there's not debts in jamaica, often deportation. i mean it surprises us here. going on to you. you've been told you my issue has to do with the migration and racism for a long day. did it surprise you in 1990 for april 1993. try god and it was killed. she was killed by an organizing called extradition squad . that was a squad that used to go around and deport people. she was in the house with her son and they came. and i'm going to quote, my own poetry. they put a live about around for to see to type them down and hung close to secure her. and

only god knows what else. she's illegal. so the poor to the empire that brought to she died. nobody killed the. she never killed herself, as it is. i would jump to make a return to jamaica, so the alien deport as the default. people like me. the problem is much longer than that. i wrote that in 1990 free. you know, this has been going on for years. i used to travel to jamaica and i remember ones around the same time, probably be early in a to getting on a plane behind me. there was a woman in handcuffs. i meant you saw me to recognize mrs. green benjamin benjamin and helped me please help me. and i said, what's the problem they deporting me did the quote to me. i came to england when i was 6 months old. they're sending back to jamaica. i don't know. jamaica probably helped me help me. i must like desktop to sit and talk with her the places that back of the time. i'm all food, a fright to jamaica. i could hear

a cry. it just wouldn't let me go near. so we've known about this for years. this is the 21st century and the these flights are going on. i don't know why you're so surprised. no, it doesn't surprise me. and it's very sad that it doesn't surprise me, but it doesn't surprise me. not much has changed. and certainly when it comes to kind of immigration, there was no time in the whole month basis when the home office said a stop, you're going to have a look at this and, and do something about it. they just be tweaking is an under the same thing is that they're tweaking it in the wrong direction. they're not creating an environment for these people to feel that whole the creating a hostile environment. that's not a word of listening to a bicycle for him. but the words are to raise a man. yes, we've just recently,

we've had 5 people killed in jamaica. and i heard from another one just a couple of days ago of to deportation. yes of to be palletized and i'm one guy that has gone back. he came here while he was young, but um he had to drive in the fence and they sent him back and he said, all his name is think he's a rapist and emerge that because some employees that we don't need the port in, right, that's the mattress i need, i need, i need to been deposited on a drive and offense. i don't know about you, but i have a drive in defense, you know, be, get pocket tickets all the time. speed, it takes all the time. either you look so innocent. i don't know how to drive it to the best of you. being very, a big campaign about the change goes islands, maybe be maybe remember and don't know much about it. well, why were you involved? and what did you make of this court ruling that the british government seems to be ignoring that britain has to release its imperial control of these islands in the pacific? well, 1st of all, what you said is, right. every time i write or talk about these islands,

i get feedback from people's i never heard of it. could this really have happened? and that's why i talk about it so way, right? just what happened to those island? and when it comes to the previous government, ignoring the quotes rulings well, that shows you that when people talk about the rule of law, that's fine until it's an inconvenience for them. and then they just ignore it, especially when it comes to to tell us island. because it's not really in the headlines. i mean, i think at the moment a lot of important things in purchase or international politics. but i'm speaking from a business perspective. i'm not in the headline because he is so overwhelmed with breakfast. and the government's getting away with a lot of things because of that. i mean if you go and question time something on a few times and i bought that's all they were telling me that it's not current use. you know, if, if,

if it's not in the papers, nice thought it'd be shut down and who decides what is called into must not go and i mean the, the birth of a royal baby. oh. now you're not going to tell me that media seriously called you up to comment on the oil, maybe in terms of its identity, both as race, imperialism kind of context. just some when, when the baby was about in a day old and i, well this is a very important moment and i, history. now i am flooding. look. i'm just not interested in revolutionary minds. don't give it time. when a baby into palaces bold. i'm really not interested, but what do you think is going through the minds of the kinds of journalists that immediately think? oh, it could be a black baby uncle benjamin's if, and i don't i, it's very difficult to get in to the mind of somebody think that there's some, some gender. so media, people who think that, you know, uh benjamin's us. and i,

uh, i can be andrews a call uh um for hers. um, these are the spokes people for the black community. i mean, they were trying to be, we just, we have our point of view and recreate the poetry or whatever. and we have a point of view, but we never time to speak for the black community. we're. none of us are experts on black people, but they seem to think we uh, you know, i mean i've had worse things and i had an interview during the day with a lady kind of reached out to me the same. so benjamin, tell me what is it like to be black? i should remember. so that's good, i can, i mean, how do i answer that? okay, just i just thought of something that would be what judy is on just in bell. much prism is a good time to move prisons in this country. what do you make him when he leaks into a situation regarding julia? since, you know, i really don't know that much about it to him. but as soon as i started

to hear about these words, suddenly i find the 4th, in fact, it would in this way. the idea of somebody who says there's all the stuff that's hidden from you. i'm going to show you, if i'm going to give it to you left, right, and center. so it's a kind of person. i've always wanted to see. you know what i've always, i've always felt that there's so much that we just don't know about. and here's somebody's kind of putting it in the public domain. one thing that really upsets me is that we don't hear about all of the stuff that they putting as i sold a film of american soldiers shooting innocent people in the streets. you know, this is big news. these are the kinds of things that in the people of my country, the people that well should know about. these are the kind of things that these

people get up to. there's a lot of poetry and wanted it. what am attracts on the album it's, it's called in this world and there's a line that you could apply to do it. and it says i'm, we live in a world where people who expose corruption and illegal activities and governments become the ones who are persecuted and on to down. we live in a well, the votes of expos, violations of the law, of himself, violated by the law. and i really think that's what's happening to him, generally about cool down because people are filled with the privatization of stress being mental illness. obviously this was dirty, obviously this kind of revolutionary of the on demonstrations uprisings what, what is, what's just on cooled down about. it's about young people and i got a site was originally written about 10 years ago. it's about young people on the streets here. what kind of killing himself if my isn't guns fighting? because this is kind of post caldwell on the side, the case of a diabetic unity,

just sit and that sized breakfast, bison guy comes out to me says what ends are you from? it didn't even answering suspect until they came from another place. they shut him . um i do think sometimes it is overblown. intimate. yeah. but i do know parents who have lost their children that way. so for them it's a very serious thing. i have to be at a funeral just a couple of weeks ago. a very similar story. and so it was a message to van 5 over a side, and that's as in the kind of society we live in now, is natural to be angry. you know, it's what you do with that. and when you just start kidding your neighbors and your brothers and sisters, you're directing, getting the wrong way front front and wrote about this kind of sometimes when people contact the people to read it pressing, then they start to think of themselves. and i think that's what's happening, benjamin stuff, and i that who died in the early hours of it says day morning. that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team you're going underground and the

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