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tv   Going Underground  RT  December 9, 2023 12:30pm-1:01pm EST

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us at least we understand that position positions of the government. we did that divide by then we discussed questions like a conflict cut in good faith in israel and bothers indians, gaza and then we would take the same positions in terms of ending left in that this let's, let's have a problem and then says fi and i tend to the matter of the building creation of, of, to, to space, which is a sub to education. and, but those are then discuss your african issues like legs are done in the interests of the russian government to a that'd be conflicted the district too much. and that the, i'm debating in the military brooks incident is about the on forces ended up rep is up what forces must recognize that the military organizations need to
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add additional teen and then need to add that dresser. might that of them acting in scums come kind of queasy because both of them i imagine, i imagine that i missed it so that that opens and the way to the resolution of all the problems. and so that is so they are very, very good position and that the russian federation is taking we explain that some of our interventions that relate to that. for instance, i've been talking to the civilians in, in savannah. i've spoken to jennifer about on there. and so what involved in helping us with that newspaper defined the piece and the demo present that they need and that we would then maintain going back to it with the information so that we can act to get that one on month as of that guy or so i
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know that great readiness on the part of the foreign minister encouraging and did this deputy for admin somebody on of the big great readiness for cooperate with us and whatnot government. we have that one big foundation by the editor at d at to co operate with us as we're dealing with these challenges on the african continent. right now you, you mentioned the, the, the issues in israel and palestine of the 2 states. so there's something something you have mentioned to you talked about this, i guess one of us to big clarification. so as, as to how challenging would it be to achieve the 2 state solution. this has this band with the united missions over the years, but we have them still be able to achieve that. why is it so difficult to achieve? well, it's, it's a, is it position fence. so for all of the palestinians,
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eh, given what does happen in terms of the creation of the state of these rights in the end, what do we do? so i'm going to position as of all that great, that. ok, let's have a state to state solution. on the basis of the night, this is a 7 board us and with the capital in a is that or them and the get all of that. and the i thing they the, what is a big step is that the is early government has consistently been working. but typically we've got to this settlements on the west back to undermine the possibility for the majors of that 2nd. second state. it is necessary to go back to the negotiations to create the 2nd viable state a of the police didn't and people or in the way the contacts have within the
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framework that they've said like the good citizen and bought this. so i, i think they're part of the big challenge is the best way these really got seriously, genuinely at development at rep aspect of, of that, right. we're seeing the rise of the global south economically, politically. and so making so many of that dimensions. what opportunities do you think exist, you know, for on the, on the global platform for the global south, where the, you are right. indeed the, with countries like china and i like in the ad growing as a, that's, as they have been. it improves the positions of the girl by solved as old. and one of the issues that we've really been raising is, is a fate. the fate of this,
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as the level of development was the agend that during the $38.00 of, of the united nations. because as you know, look at all of those sustainable development goals or 70 number that they have to do with addressing the challenges of the drove by itself. the annual problem, but to the annual non guy that that brought by hes the facilities and saw the agenda issue is that a queen to essentially solve issues. and a big, big major problem is major problem is, was made by the way that in 2015 to say we agree on these 7 dentists, that number goals which must be achieved by the, at the end of that we are nowhere anywhere near globally,
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given those goals, so the, the, the, the, the global south think the global. so if there's an obligation really to take up this much because it is, i was always saying that the, the general assembly of the united nation is now in september. did the review of where are we with the got to assess the net develop and goes all the way through. and they said half way through. we've only actually moved 15 percent, 15 percent of the targets that we have. it means for the other half. now you have an obligation go to the 85 percent and, and the sums of money. what the spending or that do i chief this gold scores by doing that that, that huge $3.00 to $3.00 to $4000000000.00. a 3, a $3.00 to $4.00 trillion dollars a in order to to for the next 7. this was,
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was all of this money going to come from. now i'm say they drove myself as an obligation really to push to make sure that this because i didn't, did realized is in the interests of this off ended in general under this. yeah, that was, is related to as admitting in of i'm not true, but by the representatives of 20 been 5 countries of this off and they were discussing the fact that in 1974 the u. n. general assembly adopted that declaration and a program of action and for the creation of a new international economic on much rose man. because of this in the equality in balance between the develop north, north and the robot. so let's therefore have this new international economic or
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that we're just going to address that declaration and burn them of action. but in reality, nothing happens in them act. so this, as i've done business met to not one in january, i say next year 2024 is a 50 at then invest that of that option of that declaration. and therefore, we must aim to ensure that intended directly for next to really in states that process of the creation of a new international economic order is, must become part of the global effort. again that, that as a go by itself that might now be best suited through it. just $7.00 to $7.00 bus train is going to be important and that's the global solves,
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comes behind that effort. because that effort above described a new internationally economy or that it has to and it is it is to address that development to marginalize, asian, whatever of the kinds of the sauce and, and, and with the increasing strength of the global i solved, as i say, with guns is like, i know we're kind of like in the process, the lens on and i think we drove ourselves is much better place now than it was done is i will i to make sure that the initiative like that of moving forward with regard to that union doesn't actually calling in regard is actually realized. all right, mister president, let's talk about the, the african renaissance that to use that for you have pushed that for over the years and so on. in fact, it's been getting cascading to the average african but talk to us what
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challenges spend us up stucco to a painting or cheating? that's the vision. and then the 1st thing is that is an acception acceptance or that vision. and the end of conscious best suits to say we as of the games need the lead back of the function and the renaissance of the fund and across the board. and then lunches. and we have what method with that gun. trust me. i mean, once, once you have a dead body of opinion on activist contracts active boost, then it as replacing. all right, in terms of that and the funds, how does that impact on the ads? why do we do with music and isn't that demand? how does it impact on the economy? how does it impact an education?
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why doesn't baked on? why definitely. so i'm saying the critical element is the i don't think that a, as i forget, we have develop guy said sufficiently punch and dies dollars. so that's, i present it to be able to be driving for us for that renaissance, if necessary, to impossible. and the, i do see a wedding in guinea cannot create an object to a hosting, and i forgot the day host. and then i forgot the electron begins and made this year . and the message to you then is that around the for not getting involved and didn't do that very keen to be part of atlanta signs movement. and that's again renaissance movement precisely in order to raise this level of consciousness and commitment. so i, i think that's our major task to make sure that we,
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we actually build the ad punch as an activist and active as i mean for the renaissance of as it does estimates, i totally agree, let facing the african g d p, especially on the sub saharan so far and africa has seen nets progress in the last few decades. and all of that. how can we begin to see the big economic growth on the african continent you what we're talking about, the new africa renewed africans so on. how do we begin to see the big growth on the continent? i think if you look at the, the reports a, of the african development bank of the you and you've got an information for africa . i'm the well bang, eh, i am f indeed. even them. i think that you would find one of the conclusions is
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and what is slowing down to put the entry out of south side and not for that in terms of growth. i did major economies in that region, south africa. so i'm not going to go into amazing, very bad shape. so it pulls down everybody as design jet and you call them in. so in that you and. ready this made job last is them. is them that pulling down? this is a big range of growth of g in terms of saw. so fine or not. so we need to focus on a list. got this such as a solve off again. i agree with that. and so we, it's all about for guns, need to focus on sorting out the problems of this up for the, for them. because the more develop in economy declines. it more, it brings down i back vendors on, on today. so we'd like to attend the drum this and i'm saying essentially and this
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off again face. but all of you would see all of the parts of the organization as i've mentioned. they would say that what is impacted negatively on just about the big countries and, and so i'll sign up for it and tell you of dave, all of them know what to attend to this month of the challenge of achieving the unnecessary high out of a sense of state rates of growth. let's talk about the issues of ministry. cruise on the continent of africa is not needed to military coups in the sixties and the 70s pop of the eighty's. and then we're seeing, you know, who was coming back again in the 21st century. we've seen it in molly recede, need a couple, you know, a, so what is your assessment of the, who's on the african continent right now, they all claim to one way or the other, trying to solve the african problem,
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the of the they have to take away what the issue is, uh, you know, what's real assessment of that? no, i think it's a, it's set up for the inflection. it'd be this close i'd read to him about is that inflection of the failure of the democratic system. in fact, to go off again, guns and i know on kind of, for instance, that guys had some cause, but a lot of a democratic elections. but in the end, do they do find the dentist that cool and i kind of leave. and now there's a 1000000 to government that they say that if you look at that role is wrote that the s and plus at 50 you'll find that we have this democratic elections and all of that. but in fact, always being changed in 3 families. that was an 18 or so
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in the and the population guys setup with this democratic system is not working. let's break it all in some instances said, do i suffer that a red incense is way eh, the young us. so just maybe you may have a forget to for the minute that right that, that what in uniforms, this is a use would then come to realize ation that we might, we might even have had the succession of a, a democratic elections. but these people that we keep relating people of never broken from physical or negative nero, calling it is all of the agreements that the from a, from a form congress signed would fries as a go to independence. many of them remain with the lives like agreements to do with
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the ministry with based on the language and all of these things. so i'm saying young people say that with this big black rubini like to so many times they in fact they've been called but a all by data within the context of the know, put on the framework that established by friends with the fact of independence. now the for that now the young be about what and uniforms. so they would then use guns to remove these politicians. would they say i found real nice because the idea that they've got tight defensive meal for the analysis and we want to break. so i'm saying that's what i'm saying. it's a failure of the democratic systems. so in the and to get $3010.00 a research at the end of the in the many cases in many instances who can do can claim that if you look closely at this
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democratic system, that democratic thing has been going on. it practically. what does it mean? i'm sure you can't blame them, but that is what i understand why they act in particular ways. as i say for it is, i guess the new york or the new york, although not just for the dishes, was the end for election. i never heard good language and they get directed by the in the substance. the appraiser at present is something that is wrong. so in a definitely i think as i forget this part of the question that we're asking about enough again renaissance. because when we say and he was africa every, every born after that with the sense what kind of polluted on on that really what, what kind of political assistant and as you know, i mean in our case and this of again case in the amc case. our basic basic document
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says the people, so i've got now is when we book in the in group our we ask go on, says how to give expression to the not reply did that does wind elections job by the people talked about. but how do i arrange the, the, the political constitutional order so that the muscles of the people have a sense of coal but is a bad thing in the government. didn't determine that one church that's part of the end is that when you say enough, again, in a sense, in the politics and government is you go to answer the question, what does it mean? and did come to me. it's admittedly that, do i do? if i'm, if i do, i do get the liked it is good to go beyond that way. other people,
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even though i knew it because my government as to what extent is this government driven by the consciousness that it's elected to 70 people not, not for but big people to send for us at the vendor tract. i'm saying i'm that's part of your off again in the science to define your ability got on to but it's, i'm sense of the failure of i've come across is that then cottages did a 10 of the core data a because the political systems and individual countries and in many kinds individual, candice failed to to address the real challenges facing so is the challenge and so we have to look at the,
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the end result and resolve the problem is in this topic. so we talk about the african, the average of attendance, the one who suffers from the breakdown, all that conflicts, probably, spencer, in sit down. you mentioned that separate times the challenges seems to done at also able to ends in bible where there's the political issues of these on the p, f and the opposition. and so all of that you intervened in some of those. how do we begin to get chief to the solution issue as to how african leaders come come together to say no, you shouldn't go beyond this level. would remember that what they used to be this? um, i think a peer review mechanism which you were part of the buffering at the time you for my president of my job to show the boss enjoy. and so many of us, how do we begin to bring back that consciousness amongst african leaders in solving your own problem on the, on the, on the continent? is it, as well as saying that i think one of our major challenges is that rebuilding
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a of the african renaissance movement a, those are he inject into the up again my this concept will say. and after that, they bought it. so because of what to discuss, in what sense do you say at one point where you say i forgot the very bottom that has been that in a sense. and what is it that will have happened due to it as ogden, you know, saying that's been identified the peer review mechanism, a executive part of that process. don't forget and need as african lead as good sit together as p s. and say, we need to look at the guy in order to assess it, according to the following criteria, is informed by that understanding of your tests, whatever and a sense,
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once other ones that the understanding goes down, then you start say no by to do that domestic month as why do i didn't end up, you end up missing my task. that sense of being is really out of out. forget would come on task or develop a particular offer. got this up. yes. weed that consciousness, i bought the sun sort of according to that. so i really, as i say i, i think we can avoid in order to fund that meant that lead to avoid all of this or directions and, and definitely even re energizing process is like the peer review mechanism. get the muscles of the different on the continent. the apple it's got an organization isn't re do new homes and churches and most then everybody what going with united way united, the best bag development. i forget that in a sense and much defined smith century cotton and then the sizes i c, n,
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as in the ads, what does it mean and decided to make on them? what does it mean in politics and such? a waste of that to an institution is very, very important. it's a, just as like the peer review american is waiting for it to this is a crazy guy lives on the continent. enjoy doing as i say, 11 more cause military because if you don't have a sentiment of you that and he bought an offer, if i renewed, offered the signed off for it, it can be characterized by millions articles. what was was must a candidate dies. and i forgot to be born is that the people governing and therefore they had no does need to resort to um, so 5 but not, not by the dev,
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oppose and all of this to go to the government and to get that they defy. they bought a very not physically, but in the end the marriage with the solution to their products. then you will your and of course, but i'm saying at the base of it is the construction of ability got a system that but the political mobilization which focuses the minds of africans on the task over of renaissance. let's talk about breaks. uh, south africa it's is, is very critical, very central to also to the issue of breaks. what special does the brakes have as a new mechanism for global governance? what's your view of that? when i, i, my view really is that it breaks, but it still has to break the task to define its tasks. you but the big bang that is clear,
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we come to that as a big countries and put in our money and so on. and that would be this bang, which was the address challenges of basic other kinds of, of this off large part of it is influx. fact development. that's clear. but what as, as breaks come together to do, i think that's a month than that, but it still needs to defy. is it the have common political body? in which case i'm those kinds of politics. is it united? is it a to address my does a please, as i go to den stability in the went or just send the books countries or whatever know, and i think that today the brakes has really a very,
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very important drivers to define it. so we exist for the federal purposes and when now in the last segment to break. so i mentioned in, in drawing this wreck when it's a document that you members what was the criteria why just got to do this. so i didn't know what that one is on. that was it, like there was a reasoning behind it. i've no doubt is that i should not band it. but i'm saying that as a citizen, i don't know. it's in that sense that i'm saying that i think breaks needs to define it. so clearly we have breaks and we come together on the basis of the following to do differently. i think that is still to come. thank you mr. president. for talking to i t, thank you guys day 5 and us the
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on some submit the 1st of all. but those of the what do you have in your struggle? the participants are sticking with the brother party to ship the bridge a lot. and if you do here for the 6 that's, i'm not sure what this, how much adds to it. yes, i did it the usually the i'm not sure the, the truth and the solution, the but i'm with, it's just the name, but i'm with the system. i mean, motions force not too much better suppressed. you're both pretty cool that you know i'm few and what is it? continue on come the eligible. the new shows eat and stuff on ocean federals and then we see that you do. busy the
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