of our security concerns a big issue for voters as well heading to the poles? absolutely, it's both the dia, states of the economy and what is happening on the northern border of egyptians. feel that cc is the best person to bring stability and security to egypt in this car and things uh or in his next phase of his presidency and the other 3 rival candidates are not military men. they don't have the same background unveil of not high profile, seeing what's happening in sedan in libya and in palestine. and also the fact that he's handled a very so well very well that so far he's kept the conflict from spilling over into egypt as that has one name. a lot of praise from egyptians here.

shakira a mean? well, here's what some voters in cairo had to say about the presidential race. you will have you for anyone who thinks about the future of himself and his children should always come and cast his vote. not only in the presidential elections but all elections. and it is important that we all have to participate. this is our country that we love. everyone should participate. pick any one you want to tell, voices must be hugged. everyone should go 1st, the elderly and young people's and then in the supply is very important for all voices to be had. we must be positive and effective in the electro price. ash this is very important and this is the duty of all of us, of the western sodium, the rules based order on trial. next in cross talk, john peter, and guess i'll say discuss why democracy appears to be turning ever more towards hurrying be states. estrada has the

the hello and welcome to cross talk, where all things are considered 19 or a little western. the leads are in a state of panic. the world is crumbling before the rise. they resort to fake news lies and deception. instead of talking about the american back genocide and gaza, we're told anti semitism at home is ramp and, or spectrum is a tyrant when they themselves resort with ordinary means to undermine democracy. the

discuss these issues in mor, i'm joined by my guess george, send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast or ethic as well, which can be found on youtube and locals and emeritus. we have martin j e as in award winning journalist and commentator gillian cross up rules and the fact that means good jumping. tell me one and i always appreciate it and start out with georgia in budapest. i suppose there's not much debates anymore. the public sphere has just been so cold, completely corrupted work. war is peace, peace is war. and if you hate someone there, the next tebler, i mean, so it's really boring. it's kind of a manic in way of looking at the world. it tells us our media is so side loads that people only will listen to what they want to hear. i mean, we, we, we saw the saga over the, over the week with the american university presidents, you know, um, do you condemn of my husband do support genocide which are obviously completely ridiculous. questions to be asking a lot of other important questions aren't being asked george,

but that this environment that we live in, i mean, it almost makes the caricature of mccarthyism george. there's no question um, and it's a mazda full, uh, changing of the subjects of something that's an american, uh, media and of course, the american policy makers and the thing thing, cuz i'm a very good a doing. when you don't want to talk about one thing, you change the subject and talk about something else. so, we see we have more or more evidence that this war in your brain has been mazda minded from the beginning by the united states. and this little ally or poppy or whatever you want to go to the united kingdom on. and so we see what the, what goes on every day in gaza. it's a, it's, it's for risk and we see out of the, well, the react the, we have a vote in the united nations in which the 13 members vote for

a ceasefire. the united states, um, oh, you know, were rejected you united gave them again app, stay ins and well do, uh, the american media is all good. what's the big issue? what's the, what's, what, what's the really solely in math that we have to address rather than to anti semitism uh, in the united states. and of course, there isn't really any evidence to present for this is they, they don't have anything. so you're just making it up. and it's very similar to what we went through in 2017 when we had the officer affects of the shop victory by trying. but you know, in a different way, the shock, uh, brakes. it both, well what, how do we explain this? what do i, what, what, what do we talk about now? i think i can see the lead small, the, you know, we didn't, we didn't do anything wrong. so therefore it had to be rushed or rush, or would this something, you know, something you know, matching the issue,

but don't quite understand what it is they did, but i'm sure will find out eventually. so yeah, um what, what, what, what's it this is all about? oh, its anti semitism? well, we'll just make it up. you know, we will, we'll wake up what, what, what this anti semitism is, but we'll just keep repeating it. and then when, when the new york times rates is on the washington post with beads and the, the atlantic and everybody else, and then it just becomes an echo chamber. we're talking about something that is a part of the real, but it's totally made up. yeah. well, but the wrinkle in all of this martin is that or that many orthodox jews, particularly in the dotted states, do not recognize the state of israel. they think it's a, a, it's a fake. it is historical expression. it has nothing to do with their religion judaism, and they find zine is them to be a part you could tell there's a lot of bins, railways they'd be of exactly the same way. so if i guess there, if i somebody took pictures. yeah, it's, it's a, it's a really convenient, really cheap throwaway preoperative polemic attack on anybody who has an opinion.

anybody has an opinion, you know, and, and that's been an egypt response for such a long time. now, i'm told is absolutely right about the big media. i'm political organizations using it to change the subject to, you know, to georgia list away from what they should be learning about, you know, and the real um, the real story in both time, which is a daily real um, absolutely, um, apocalyptic genocide was being carried out by israel and how we can effect this in years to come. this was like how we going to re cups and re edit this whole thing like a hollywood movie. i'm present it to our children, my grandchildren, until university professors and historians general this and the say, no, we actually didn't happen to not, but i mean on, oh, well, no mark, it kept using invoking historical reference here. i mean, it's very much in a style and ask, you know, know people, no problem. i mean,

and that's what they basically want to make mistakes, were made mistakes or me that the a, through the official history you've got. so i feel a little come close, denial is going to be coming around again. um, you know, goes a holocaust denial and the anti semite code, you know, which is played to you because it, because he's now to anybody. but particularly john, this, the, i think is so ridiculous just becoming so fast ago that now you have a situation now where by might be factors. but a few days ago, they were murmurings from the international court. yes. you see in the hague did it might look at what crime allegations against israel and, and miss neal, who and what was miss neal's response? you made a video, been english? 3 said this is a do semitism. now let's see. i need to go really make it up, you know, so that, that's how that's, that's the limit of just how far this falls can go. but you know,

the whole idea of the worry now that we no longer now know the difference between fake news and the real real narrative it. so any other channels and this is, this is a very interesting turning point. i mean, october 7th, probably will go down in history for a variety of reasons, depending on how you think about the situation and what will eventually result. um, there are too many people in power double. i don't remember what happened on jet on october of 6 or what happened on october. 8th, that's going to be the problem, george. but for me, one of the saddest thing it is that the great supporters who procedures for free speech conservatives may have given up the ghost to and that's why we're making this program george, this right. and there was indeed a absolutely shocking when we had those the university president. and so these are the, the 3 among the 3, the most prestigious universities in the united states,

as your university of pennsylvania. uh mit um tava and, and they were just being a red x over the coals. oh is something completely fictional there? uh they somehow advocating genocide of the jews that there uh, the rambling that is elite, liberal, elite universities. you know, way in which there are a very high percentage of joyce students that in these universe it is, there is ramping that you sent me. it is on and let you know, yes, it was, at least the phonic was kind of a trump invalid. the charge, but it was overwhelming simple for what she did. you know you had um lawrence drive gonna be coming out. yeah, i mean, i may not like least divani, but she really did a great job there. and then we had the morning joe brought in. everybody's some hot shearing the song and this is a total fine was a, i mean is a lives the suggesting that in the united states today, there's a, you know, the,

there's a raging anti semitism and people calling for the genocide of the jews. and then when you own us, well, what's your evidence for this? what, what, what is it when we get it, can you show me where the somewhere was? somebody done this? well, it really isn't then like i'm oh yeah, well that slogan um, from the river to the sea palace line will be for yeah that, that, that involves the destruction of israel, which means the genocide of the jews because that's just simply their interpretation. but that non sensical interpretation they like, why is this uh, reality and then people tweet out, oh yeah, people going to get hot with the gun, run, st gas, the jews. and then the songs that will give me one example, one example of anybody, anybody in any particular hobbit or anywhere else in a prominent place saying gas, the jews. well, there isn't that doesn't matter is the, and that's why the analogy with russia gauges is. so app, so both can you just find the one evidence, one piece of evidence,

one way which trunk colluded all the rushes into fade in the election just to, to, to patricio case. but arisen but, but that the by, by dint of repetition with the way we live in, in this complete fantasy one. so i'll get all the positive. well they, they looking at, because i think this is actually, we have a risk that goes to the lives of monsters. what's going on? what's going on in the united states? they're arguing about uh, and designed with is a hip look up, is apparently all these, these were on the road to power. and apparently martin in, in israel all the talk is about the release of the hostages. this from the stand coverage of what's going on and gaza, mostly because people in israel are not interested. okay. intentionally. and i find it very curious that if you said from the river to the sea and with as will oh, be free. would that be calling for the genocide of palestinians? i don't think there's any one way to interpret that way. you know, i think the slogans tend to get exaggerated and conveniently misinterpreted on the

ground scale. you know, i mean, well, what we're saying, what is unprecedented is a new level, a new volume, new mess of fake news now, which is just all to everything. it's just don't think how we talk about the subjects. it's just dozing out, john, this report on them. you know, i mean, it's getting to the stage now where people are starting to wake up. and unfortunately, you have the last 10 or 15 years mainstream media has made a conscious decision to follow and to replicate social media and social media is now the new mainstream media. social media is the new platform which is distorting all these things, you know, and i think these slogans of these, these sayings um, such as the one that you cited or others you know, are being used as tools for propaganda for fulfilled. we also have the case and the last, the new cycles, george of the weapon ization of right. you and i did a separate pod cast on that. and when the investigator i permit,

i don't have it written down here. but the investigator, when she was asked by journalist and this is really media, you know, what are you going to be presenting evidence of? it's all my job to do that. i am not a journalist at your job to do it, but she's making claims and nephews ations. while at the same time she's saying i, but it's not incumbent upon me to produce any evidence to back up my claims. i mean, if that isn't circular, i don't know. what is george? perfect. exactly. so she put together this team of 15 women. um and um and when this a report from the higher ed kind of auster about the, the evidence they said, well yeah, that's not my job to find the evidence. i mean, you know, they will probably find the evidence in about 2030 years because, you know, many women that now dead and all the women and upcoming forward. so now as you're making this boss assertions, i mean, not just saying, oh, you know, rapes that good. you said there was a,

a policy of mass rates. and also she may have made it a, made it the assumption that there are videos, but we can't show them. i mean, the exact, the that's our, their game when the, when the issue of evidence at all we're, yeah. well there are the, well, all of these uh, videos on uh, on the ground on how guys kinda ground channels. yeah. um, but where all the, i mean if the, if the publicly available and you should be able to just show um, because there aren't any, i mean, you know, the city of new york, they've got to jump in here and we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break will continue our discussion on big news. stay with archy, [000:00:00;00] the

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the addition to remind me were discussing big news the okay, let's change gears gentlemen. while we have this, um, what i just think is this the fiasco about how to a twist and turn and reinterpret and dismiss what's going on and gaza. we had the same a new cycles. martin is the sudden fear that donald trump might come back. and if he called us back, do you watch the abuse and $8.00 that you want? revenge. okay. and he was a trumpet given an interview with sean hannity. and he was asked that was sent to the same question. you know, are, are you going to do it? i'm paraphrasing here. are you going to take revenge on your political votes and trump? and he has trump in style, said on day one on the 1st day. and he talked about drill, drill,

drill and close the border. of course that was interpreted all to the liberal the, the ecosystem is that yes, these grow the moustache, and that is a swastika on a shoulder. okay. i mean, it was just, it just a, do you think you're watching the babylon be? it's so absurd, but these people say, and i'm not saying this is a trump supporter, i'm just looking at how media is being weaponized begins democracy because we all know the polling out there. now i've always dismiss polling, but when you get down to certain congressional districts, that's when i start taking an interest. okay? because that's what wins elections. okay. not any kind of gen eric ballot or anything like that. so we're getting close here and there are panicking, and so they have to trump this, and that's the next step works, even though he wasn't peddler, really when he was president, i'm not sure how that works, but that's what they're saying, martin. but that's, that's a, that's a, that's ever so slightly abusive would use of use of the word. because that suggests

that we in the west, i agree, america hated hitler. and we didn't really where we hated him as an individual, but we didn't hate his, his policies and his fascism another to. and i think so trump coming back in is uh you have a very similar situation in america that you have in person. you have to contend as he was so bad, who are so underperforming in terms of what we traditionally regard as political of political, our and theresa. and these days, you know, is people of voting now, not for what they want to look for, for whom they want everything against the canada. and that's, that's how binary and pathetic and simplistic american politics has become in a book. the prompt to come back and i put money on it and actually put money on it . i think it's becoming a search and see more and more every day because the light in this just made such a dog's breakfast. all these and tired of sold term,

particularly on the phone policy. so, you know, because we've got a data genocide happening in gauze and now with the possibilities of a regional was around, you know, it's just incredible. you, ukraine is just such a mess. you know, we talked before about the 7575th bus, a of, of nato pencilled in for the june. and how is bite and gonna, you know, just cruise through this without taking an absolute battery. i mean, but going back to know your point about distracting in the gym this away from the real news agenda. trump was an absolute genius. this absolute genius. i mean, you know, we, we, he did it for us generally as we didn't even realize. and so we started counting articles, how many pieces per month we were writing with trump in the headline, because he was an absolute genius of just saying something, or tweeting, something completely stupid, totally polemic. and it distracted an entire circus of a big media jobs away from what they should be reporting on. and you know,

i think we're going to expect more of that from trump if he gets in next time and an over simplification of some of these big subjects, you know, but yeah, what can you say um fort, from isn't a woman go, you know, and this is what i really annoyed when people people talk about bite and trump had an opportunity unless that opportunity, which i know for a lot of people understood if he'd gone for it to attack a run when you had this american try and being hit by the main forces in the go on like remember when you guys went so we met ordered missile strikes again syria always i think it was somebody at nbc nbc said fine when he's become president. finally he's presidential again because of that. yeah. um, i want to clarify with every everyone here. i think a dog's breakfast is a bad thing. okay. but mine dogs is like the more that i just want to clear the air on that one there. but, you know, george, it's a get a get, you know, this is this resurrection of this. it seeing a new version. it's a 2 point. oh about trump is a tyrant. it's no coincidence. when you look at biden's calling numbers,

martin is absolutely right. we have, there's an snivla's sense for us more and ukraine that they won't back away from. and then, you know, we're supposed to close our eyes and ears, about one of the most cut, probably the most catastrophic human rights violation and non lifetime. and that's thing something gentleman that's really saying you don't think know you have george? yes sir, that's exactly. and again, as we're talking about earlier about the, the distraction, let's talk about the real news. let's talk about the a, something that's a fantastic old. this simply obsessional with tom is also a way of, uh, changing the subject. so the, you know, that was the, the belief media could be talking about the fact that this war in gaza is being enabled by the united states. i mean they, you know, the by done ministration isn't just offering diplomatic support is, or at least actually pouring in weapons, sport,

or even even when people are watching this risk destruction, the access gapes boring and weapons, and all scape a more, a money, full, more weapons, so rather than as yet, and they're not putting it and they're not particularly transparent when it comes to the type of weapons and that it's really very much in, in, in, in the, in, in the middle of the night. okay. here's because people are asking, you know, if you weren't here and asking these, we're asking that demanding, asking them to use more precision and they use, they send these to 1000 pound bombs. how can that ever even be precise? i mean that's like take out a city block. ok. the sports events against i'm sorry to interrupt george, keep well that, exactly. but instead of that, so we have the new york times washington, both on the atlantic. well now publishing these multi pop, multi contributes a, uh, uh, pieces on the original on of trunk,

all the terrible things that trump is going to do. um, if he comes back like, like, do we both leave nato and i like wait, like really upset about that website. apple. bottom right. oh, my god truck is going to leave the nato and uh and so we were worried about something that is fantastic or something that is down the road the the election still a year away. god knows what's gonna happen during the coming year, but we're talking about that and then everyone everyone is exposed. really think of this for reflect that this awful thing is going to happen, which is drunk coming back. but what about this? what about the will the people dying in your brain a little bit with dying in the gaza? well we don't, we don't talk about that, but we talk about something that is entirely up at this stage, the fictional, the fact is, trump hasn't been in power for 3 years. is binding. this is by these was, these are vitamins bothers that let's go contribute to addressing that. i mean, you the, the that you probably sole, that's

a jimmy door had the little item on robert de niro. because again, it's a, the, the, he's in an interesting, typical sort of figure rather than they're always up to hate or a trump. and i, you know, he just talks about how he wants to punch him in the face. you know, take him in the grind or whatever. and then when he is us, somebody goes cnn. austin. um, you know, well, what exactly is it about trump? did you find so uh the testable? well, i don't know really um, he's just the crazy guy. i read it, there it is like, you know, yeah, well it the, you know, like from, i think so. and he can't even explain what it is. he hates about the drum and these people like that. and sean, penn, they should just stay in the, they're acting lane, i think, the right actors. okay. but the political abuse doesn't deserve their time. but you know, martin, that is that they're setting up uh for them. it least in the american context here with the election here is the, is the, the new more on. trump's supporters?

i mean, i think that's what it's all about. it's a, they may, they're attacking trump. he's in every room. if you don't know, donald trump is, then you've been living under a rock for 8 years. ok. i mean, he's a very more well known quantity, but they're candidate in that and that they're part of your preference of the democrats are increasingly divided. they have an unpopular president, and so the way you deflect is just how bad trump was, even though if he was a dictator, george. and i've talked about this a lot if he was a dictator when he was president, you better change the definition of what a dictator is because he was the worst, vic dana. and then in the, in the history of dictators, if that's what you want to call them, go ahead mark. yeah, he's just, it's not good. what does that dictate? so the interesting thing i find about trump is you talk about the, the, the impacts of what's, of, what's going on in america and how people coming out of sort of which on to gives it supports, is a wonder how many people in america would be curious to know what's going on in the middle east,

because in the many region in this part of the world. most if not or middle east, the arab leaders of this part of load or waiting for trump to come back. the old banking on it, they're all putting the last book on trump coming back. i'm fixing all these problems because you have this kind of malays this, this a pass between uh, most of these countries in the bottom administration. and that they're just basically waiting for the bite ministrations to move on because we called in their lowest countries comp workout. the difference is the con, i agree on, on really on a number of huge issues. and just recently, just uh, 2 days ago, russia and opec agreed to cut old production again, which is another smack in the face for by them. there's another reminder that you don't tell us, well, international or prices are going to be, we tell you, you know, and again, you know, we're, we're waiting for this weather. we talked about morocco and the western sahara dossier, algeria,

or bigger issues in the middle east. about and the certainly now this is even impetus for somebody of his career is no, you can jets in to come sense, bashed fuels has together and stop the blood shedding because i think i think some of that trump could do the, i mean to demonstrate trump and button here is biting, can only really, you know, cool for these 5 and cool for, for the end of this bloodshed blessing, trump would go further. so you would actually see, you would actually, you know, issue ultimatums to, uh, to, to time, not really convince of that this thing with this, this thing it, this issue in the united states is so much in stone that it, that's why we're seeing the reaction to a judge last to a 35 seconds to go ahead. what i think, what my does, that is very interesting and engage the americans and the british. they live in their own little bubble. they, they take it for granted. that's the hatreds are shed by the rest of the world and

they don't actually realize that to many positive what they think of the trump is as being relatively good years. there wasn't any new was um, there were openings in certain parts of world towards be such as in with north korea. and the bible is just stuck in the positivity is just start getting this cold will eventually is uni, polo will moment and i and there's nothing good can come out of that. yeah. and there's so comfortable and that's no comfort zone. that's what they seem to understand. even though, and they never uh, never engenders any kind of positive result. gentleman that's all the time we have one of the thing, my guess in america cash and, and do the present. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our dc and next time. remember across top of

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