the the the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter a little western. the leads are in a state of panic. the world is crumbling before their eyes. they resort to fake news lies and deception. instead of talking about the american back genocide and gaza, we're told antisemitism at home is ramping ports. but trump is a tyrant when they themselves resort to authoritarian means to undermine democracy . the

discuss these issues in more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast or ethic as well, which can be found on youtube and locals and emeritus. we have martin j e as in award winning journalist and commentator, digital and cross up roles. in fact, that means can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. start out with georgia in budapest. i suppose there is that much debate anymore. the public sphere is just been so co, completely corrupted work ward as peace, peace is war. and if you hate someone there, the next tebler, i mean it's a, it's really boring. it's kind of a manic in way of looking at the world. it tells us our media so silos, the people only will listen to what they want to hear. i mean, we, we, we saw this saga over the, over the week with the american university presidents. you know, um, do you condemn of them? i has a do support genocide which are obviously completely ridiculous. questions to be asking a lot of other important questions aren't being asked george,

but in this environment that we live in, i mean, it almost makes a caricature of mccarthyism. george. there's no question um, and it's a mazda full, uh, changing of the subjects of something that's an american, uh, media and of course, the american policy makers and the thing thing, cuz i'm a very good a doing. when you don't want to talk about one thing, you change the subject and talk about something else. so, we see we have more more evidence that this war in your brain has been mazda minded from the beginning by the united states. and this little ally or poppy or whatever you want to go to the united kingdom on. and so we see what the, what goes on every day in gaza. it's a, it's, it's for risk and we see out of the, well, the react the, we have a vote in the united nations in which the 13 members vote for ceasefire. the united

states, um uh, you know, the rejects that you united, gave them again app, stay ins. and what do, uh, the american media is all good. what's the big issue? what's the, what's, what, what's the really solely in math that we have to address rather than to anti semitism uh, in the united states. and of course, there isn't really any evidence the present for that is just as a they don't have anything. so you're just making it up. and it's very similar to what we went through in 2017 when we had the officer effects of the shop victory by trial. and but you know, in a different way the shop uh, breaks it both. well, what, how do we explain this? what do i, what, what, what do we talk about now? oh, i think i can see the lead small, the, you know, we didn't, we didn't do anything wrong. so therefore it had to be rushed or rush, or would this something, you know, it's on the, you know, matching issue,

but one of time what it is they did, but i'm sure will find out an answer. so yeah. what, what, what, what's it, this is all about? oh, it's and to some it is, well, we just make it up, you know, we will, we'll wake up what, what, what this anti semitism is, but we'll just keep repeating it. and then when, when the new york times rates is on the washington post, we'll beat them under the atlantic and everybody else. and then it just becomes an echo chamber. we're talking about something that is a part of the real, but it's totally made up. yeah, well, but the wrinkle in all of this martin is that or that many orthodox jews, particularly in the dotted states, do not recognize the state of israel. they think it's a, a, it's a fake. it is historical expression. it has nothing to do with their religion judaism and they find zine is them to be a part you could tell there's a lot of bins. railways they'd be of exactly the same way. so if i guess there, if i said lights. huh. christmas pictures. yeah, it's, it's a, it's a really convenient,

really cheap throwaway preoperative polemic attack on anybody who has an opinion. anybody has an opinion, you know, and, and that's been an egypt response for such a long time. now, i'm told is absolutely right about the big media. i'm political organizations using it to change the subject to, you know, to georgia list away from what they should be learning about, you know, and the real, the real story in both time, which is a daily real absolutely. um, apocalyptic genocide was being carried out by israel. and how we can effect this in years to come is what i want to know how we're going to re cups and re edit this whole thing like a hollywood movie. i'm present it to our children or grandchildren until university professors and historians general this and say, no, we actually didn't happen to not, but i mean on, oh, well, no mark, it kept using invoking historical reference here. i mean, it's very much in

a style and ask, you know, no peep, oh no problem. i mean, and that's what they basically want to make mistakes were made mistakes on it that the a, through the official history god. so i feel a little concourse denial is going to be coming around again. um, you know, goes a holocaust denial and the anti semite code, you know, which is plates. and so you, because evictions is now to anybody, but particularly john, this the, i think is so ridiculous just becoming so fast ago that now you have a situation now where by might be factors. but a few days ago they were murmurings from the international court. yes. you see in the hague that it might look at will crime allegations against israel and, and miss neal, who and what was miss neal's response? you might have if you have any wish. you said this is a 2 separate as of now, is it 50? i need to go really make it up, you know? so that, that's how that's, that's the limit of just how far this falls can go. but you know, the whole,

i do the worry now that we no longer now know the difference between fake news and the real, the real narrative. it's so heavy a lot of channels and this is, this is a very interesting turning point. i mean, october 7th, probably will go down in history for a variety of reasons, depending on how you think about the situation and what will eventually result. um, there are too many people in power available. i don't remember what happened on jet on october of 6 or what happened on october. 8th, that's going to be the problem, george. but for me, one of the saddest things is that the great supporters who procedures for free speech conservatives may have given up the ghost too. and that's why we're making this program george. so that's right. and there was indeed a absolutely shocking when we had those the university president. and so these are

the, the 3 i'm the 3, the most prestigious universities in the united states, as your universal pennsylvania, mit tava and, and they were just being a red x over the coals. oh, is something completely fictional there. uh theres somehow advocating genocide of the jews that there uh, the rambling that is elite liberal, elite universities, you know, which there are a very high percentage of joyce students. but in these universe it is, there is ramping that you sent me. it is on and let you know, yes, it was, at least the phonic was kind of a trump invalid the charge. but it was overwhelming simple for what she did. you know you had um lawrence drive gonna be coming out of the auburn. i may not like least devante, but she really did a great job there and then we had the morning, joe. brad and everybody is so hot, shearing the song. and this is a total fine. does that mean is

a lives the suggesting that in the united states today, there is a, you know, the, there's a raging anti semitism, and people calling for the genocide of the jews. and then when you own us, well, what's your evidence? that is what, what, what is it when we get it, can you show me with some way with somebody done this? well really isn't then like i'm oh yeah, well that slogan um from the river to the sea palace line will be for yeah that, that, that involves the destruction of israel, which means the genocide of the jews. but because that's just simply their interpretation. but that non sensical interpretation they like why as, as a reality. and then people tweet out, oh yeah. people go into the hall of the going run, st gas, the jews. and then what songs that will give me one example, one example of anybody, anybody in any particular hobbit or anywhere else in a prominent book book plays st gas the jews. well, there isn't that doesn't matter is and then, and that's why the analogy with russia gauges is. so app set both. can you just

find the one evidence based live? it is what when we, which trump colluded all the rushes into fit in the election to patricio case. but there isn't but, but the bike by dint of repetition, with the way we live in, in this complete fantasy. what so all in all the positive? well they, they looking at because i think this is actually of a risk that goes to visit monsters. what's going on? what's going on in the united states? they're arguing about, oh, and this ever doesn't get blocked up is apparently all these, these were on the road to power. and apparently martin in, in israel all the talk is about the release of the hostages. this from the scan coverage of what's going on and gaza. mostly because people in israel are not interested. okay, intentionally. but i find it very curious that if you said from the river to the sea and with as will oh, be free. would that be calling for the genocide of palestinians? i don't think there's any one way to interpret that way. you know, i think the slogans tend to get exaggerated and conveniently misinterpreted on the

ground scale. you know, pretty well what we're saying. what is unprecedented is a new level, a new volume, new mess of fake news now, which is distilled to everything. it's just awfully how we talk about the subjects is disposing out drawn this report on them. you know, i mean, it's getting to the stage now where people are starting to wake up and i'm, unfortunately, you have the last 10 or 15 years mainstream media has made a conscious decision to follow and to replicate social media and social media is now the new mainstream media, social media is a new platform which is distorting all these things, you know, and i think these slogans of these, these sayings um, such as the one that you cited or others you know, are being used as tools for propaganda for fulfilled. we also have the case and the last, the new cycles, george of the weapon ization of right. you and i did a separate pod cast on that. and when the investigator i permit,

i don't have it written down here. but the investigator, when she was asked by journalist and this is really media, you know, what are you going to be presenting evidence of? it's all my job to do that. i am not a journalist at your job to do it, but she's making claims and nephews ations. while at the same time she's saying i, but it's not incumbent upon me to produce any evidence to back up my claims. i mean, if that isn't circular, i don't know. what is george? exactly. so she put together this team of 15 women. um and um and when this uh report from higher ed kind of auster about the, the evidence they said, well yeah, this on my job to find the evidence. i mean, you know, they will probably find the evidence in about 2030 is because, you know, many women that now dead and all the women and upcoming forward. so now is you making this boss assertions? i mean, not just saying, oh, you know, rapes that good. you said there was a,

a policy of mass rates. and also she may have made it a, made it the assumption that there are videos, but we can't show them. i mean, the exact, the that's our, their game when the, when the issue of david is, oh yeah, yeah. well, there are the, well, all of these uh, videos on uh, on the ground on how guys kinda ground channels. yeah. um, but where all of it, i mean if the, if the publicly available and you should be able to just show um, because there aren't any, i mean, you know, the city of new york, they've got to jump in here and we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break will continue our discussion on big news day with our to the

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ok, let's change gears gentlemen. while we have this, when i is going, is this the be alsco about how to a twist and turn and reinterpret and dismiss what's going on and gaza? we have the same a new cycles. martin is the sudden fear that donald trump's, mike, come back and if he goes by, you watch the interviews and $8.00 that you want. revenge ok. and he was a trumpet given an interview with sean hannity. and he was asked so essentially the same question. you know, are, are you going to do it? i'm paraphrasing here. are you going to take revenge on your political votes and trump, and he has trump in style. so on day one, on the 1st day. and he talked about drill, drill, drill and close the border. of course, that was interpreted all to the liberal, the eco system is that yes, these grow that most statute is a swastika on his shoulder. okay. i mean, it was just, it just a,

do you think you're watching the babylon be? it's so absurd, but these people say, and i'm not saying this is a trump supporter, i'm just looking at how media is being weaponized against democracy. because we all know the polling out there. now i've always dismiss bowling, but when you get down to certain congressional districts, that's when i start taking an interest. okay. because that's what wins elections. okay. not any kind of gen eric ballot or anything like that. so we're getting close here and there are panicking, and so they have to trumpets and that's the next step works. even though he wasn't hitler really when he was president, i'm not sure how that works, but that's what they're saying, martin. but that's, that's a, that's a, that's the sort of slightly abusive would like to use if use of the word hibler. because that suggests that we in the west a green are america hated hitler. and we didn't really well, we hated him as an individual, but we didn't hate is as policies are these fascism. another 2 and i think so

coming back in is uh, you know, survey some, some of the situation americans that you haven't brushed and you have to contempt as he was so bad. who are so under performing, in terms of what we traditionally regard as political, political, our, and theresa these days, you know, is people of voting no, not for what they want to look for, for whom they want searching against another canada. and that's, that's how binary and pacific and simplistic american politics has become in there . but the jump to come back and i put money on it and actually put money on it. i think it's becoming a search and see more and more every day because by them this just made such a dog's breakfast. all these and tired of sol term, particularly on the phone policy. so, you know, because we've got a data genocide happening in gauze and now with the possibilities of the regional was around, you know, it's just incredible. you, ukraine is just such

a mess. you know, we talked before about the 7570 for the best a of, of nato pencilled in for, um, for june. and, uh, how is binding gonna, you know, just cruise through this, um, without taking an absolute battery. i mean, but going back to know the point about distracting in the gym this away from real news agenda. trump was an absolute genius. this absolute genius. i mean, you know, we, we, he did it for us generally as we didn't even realize. and so we started counting or articles how many pieces per month we were writing with trump in the headline, because he was an absolute genius of just saying something or tweet is something completely stupid, totally polemic. and it distracted an entire circus of big media jobs away from what they should be reporting on. and you know, i think we're gonna expect more of that from trump if he gets in next time and an over simplification on some of these big subjects, you know, but yeah, what can you say um fort from is on a woman go, you know, i'm this is what i,

i really annoyed when people people talk about bite and trump had an opportunity unless that option to which an awful lot of people understood if he'd gone for it to attack a run when you had this american try and being hit by the main forces in the go on like remember when you guys are wensel's, we met ordered missile strikes against syria always i think it was somebody at nbc nbc said fine when he's become president. finally he's presidential again because of that. yeah, i want to clarify with every everyone here. i think a dog's breakfast is a bad thing. okay. but mine dogs is like the more i just want to clear the air on that one there. but, you know, george, it's a get a get, you know, this is this resurrection of this. it seeing a new version. it's a 2 point. oh about trump is a tyrant. it's no coincidence when you look at biting scalding numbers. martin is absolutely right. we have, there's an needless senseless more and you'd frame that they won't back away from. and then you know, we're supposed to close our eyes and ears about one of the most cap,

probably the most catastrophic and human rights violation and non lifetime. and that's thing something gentleman that's really saying you don't think know you have george? yes sir, that's exactly. and again, as we're talking about earlier about the, the distraction, let's talk about the real news. let's talk about the a, something that's a fantastic old visit. the obsession with tongue is also a way of, uh, changing the subject. so the, you know, that was the, the belief media could be talking about the fact that this war in gaza is being enabled by the united states. i mean they, you know, the by done ministration isn't just offering diplomatic support is, or at least actually pouring in weapons. or even even when people watching this risk destruction, the access gapes boring and weapons, and all scape a more, a money full, more weapons. so rather than as yet, and they're not plugged in,

they're not particularly transparent when it comes to the type of weapons and it's really very much in, in, in, in the, in, in the middle of the night. okay. yeah, because people are asking, you know, if you, what your and asking me is asking that demanding, asking them to use more precision and they use based on these 2000 pound bombs. how can that ever even be precise? i mean that's like take out a city block. ok. the sports events against i'm sorry to interrupt george, keep well that, exactly. but instead of that, so we have the new york times washington, both on the atlantic going now publishing these multi path, multi contribute to uh, pieces on the original on of trunk, all the terrible things that trump is going to do. um, if he comes back, i like this uh, we both leave nato and i like wait, like really upset about the apple button. right? oh, my god truck is going to leave the nato and uh,

and so we were worried about something that is fantastic or something that is down the road. the. the election is still a year away. god knows what's gonna happen during the coming year. but we're talking about that and then everyone everyone is exposed. really think of this for reflect that this awful thing is going to happen, which is drunk coming back. well, what about this? what about the lead people dying in your brain? a little bit with dying and the guys that well we didn't, we don't talk about that, but we talk about something that is entirely up at this stage of fictional, the fact is, trump hasn't been in power for 3 years. is binding. this is vitamins was these are vitamins bob, this is truly it's addressing that i am you the be that you probably saw? that's a jimmy door had the little item on robert de niro. because again, it's a, the, the, he's in an interesting, typical sort of figure, rather than they're always up to the hate or a trump, you know, you know, he just talks about how he wants to punch him in the face. you know,

take him in the grind or whatever. and then when he's off, somebody goes or cnn, austin, um, you know, well, what exactly is it about trump? did you find so the testable? well, i don't know really. um, he's just the crazy guy. i read it, there it is like, you know, yeah, well it the, you know, like from, i think so. and he can't even explain what it is. he hates about the drum and these people like that. and sean, penn, they should just stay in the, they're acting lane, i think, the right actors. okay. but the very political to use it doesn't deserve their time . but you know, martin, that is that they're setting up uh for them. it least in the american context here with the election here is the, is the, the new more on trump's supporters? i mean, i think that's what it's all about is a, they may, they're attacking trump. he's in every room. if you don't know, donald trump is, then you've been living under a rock for 8 years. ok. i mean, he's

a very more well known quantity, but they're candidate in that and that they're part of your preference of the democrats are increasingly divided. they have an unpopular president, and so the way you deflect is just how bad trump was, even though if he was a dictator, george. and i've talked about this a lot if he was a dictator when he was president, you better change the definition of what a dictator is because he was the worst dictator. and then in the, in the history of dictators, if that's what you want to call a, go ahead mark. yeah, he's that this is not good. what does it dictate? so the interesting thing i find about trump is you talk about the, the, the impacts of what's, of, what's going on in america and how people coming out of sort of which on to gives us support is a wonder how many people in america would be curious to know what's going on in the middle east, because in the middle region, in this part of the world, most if not or middle east, the arab leaders of this part of the well, the old waiting for trump to come back. the old banking on it there,

old putting that last book on trump coming back. i'm fixing all these problems because you have this kind of malays this, this uh, pass between uh, most of these countries in the bottom administration instead of just basically waiting for the bite ministrations to move on. because we comp know all these countries comp workouts, the difference is the con, i agree on, on really on a number of huge issues. and just recently, just uh, 2 days ago, russia and opec agreed to cut old production again, which is another smack in the face for by them. there's another reminder that you don't tell us, well, international or prices are going to be, we tell you, you know, and again, you know, we're, we're waiting for this weather. we talked about morocco and the western sahara dossier, algeria, or bigger issues in the middle east. about and the certainly now this is even impetus for somebody of his career is no, you can jets in to come sense especially was has together and stop the blood

shedding because i think i think some of the trump could do the, i mean to demonstrate trump and button here is button can only really, you know, cool. 465, cool for, for the end of this bloodshed. but i think trump would go for those. he would actually see you would actually, you know, issue ultimatums to, uh, to, to the time, not really convince of that this thing with this, this thing it, this issue in the united states is so much in stone that it, that's why we're seeing the reaction to a judge last to a 35 seconds to go ahead. what i think, what mothers that is very interesting and engage the americans and the british. they live in their own little bubble, they, they take it for granted that so the hatreds are shed by the rest of the world and they don't actually realize that in but many positive what they think of the trump is as being relatively good years. there wasn't any new was um, there were openings in certain parts of world towards be such as in with north

korea. and the bible is just stuck in the positivity is just start getting this cold. we'll do. the venture is uni, polo will moment. and i and there's nothing good can come out of that. yeah. and there's so comfortable and that's no comfort zone. that's what they seem to understand even though and they never uh never. and didn't generals any kind of positive result. gentleman, that's all the time we have one of the thing, my guess in america cash and, and do the present. of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our dc and next time. remember across top of the every spring and summer, the melting optics move reveals a band and machinery, millions of rusty barrels, and the detritus left by human expansion into this most inaccessible of territories

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