i'm has all the details. i had all the direct line event. we'd also be bringing it lived you here? archie. interesting. it's a sit next here though with south african deputy foreign minister elvin boots his and he does not hold back on israel's actions and gals that it gets going right ahead. the deputy normal deputy minister. thank you for joining us on our to today and welcome to moscow. thank you very much. right. we have seen increased cooperation between your country. so africa and russia. and in fact, in one of the ways we, we just heard of a gas from bank of the russia getting the approval of south african government to refund the some refineries that we just part of a cooperation with talking but trying to see now what are some of the major

cooperation in the agreements that you have signed between your country and russia this year. well yeah, i think we are elated by the announcement that he has to do by the south african cabinet on this new fletcher venture involving a russian um, uh, entity in making sure that we are able to solve difficult recalibrate and particularly your, you know, your energy security aspect, the i tech, which is your significant the by little mechanism between south africa and there are some for the ration low in particular in 7 uh key strategic areas or underpinned by economic diplomacy. obviously the issue support, right, in investment, it's bottom on the investment. this key, if you,

if your energy expands to then a corporation you of higher education, i would call to your, for your what a resource management you have, science and technology. so in essence, all 7 of those areas, so 6 the over the do you put chains in relation to or pallets relationship which last year we celebrate that the obviously the use of diplomatic relations between the south africa and the russian federation. the relationship between them, the south african people and the adoption of people goes back probably more than the 50 decades during the time when as the south african people wait, so lubrication struggle, we had the nation, people obviously on the different the dispensation which apply to us i looked at

the with the south african and the african struggles. so, you know, we studied taught us that we should never let the wrong with repeat details in, on just a word order that we're seeing today. have a system to profile. how about i throw relations to great tides? now we have seen the west to pose b t r u sanctions on countries. they don't like do use single you consent? that's they could be sanctions on your country to do to your increase cooperation with russia. well mike, i think that probably it's important to state where we stand, in particular as it relates to what we classify as unilateral cause of sanctions. we all view of south africa that are the only august you and body that has the, sinking the right to,

to impose sanctions underpinned by the most the letter you and system is the united nations security council of calls south africa is concerned that our number line post you has been the use to see to, to uh, put us into a position of what i called greg clark way. we uh, uh, uh, threatened to choose the uh, the site. the one or the other. the power of south africa obviously, is not in the line to we subscribe to the bundled principals which speaks about the, you know, the integrity of individual in the nation states. we raise with the, the, the us a couple of months in the us state that's on the station. i will concerned when we

were looked at about the the russian uh maligned uh, uh, activities above that the, the, the house uh and the seats to pass which ultimately directed the gains boat state, the non state actors that are seen to be in support of the us and for the ration and i think we, we were successful because often those specific reference to african uh, activity says the release that us and for that ration was removed from that particular button up. but we remain concerned that the, obviously, those unilateral sanctions of being a champion, as we speak against that us. and for that i said, and many other countries, i mean disregard my. we speak about the economic bro case against the people of cuba since 1962. and if we recall and take your

list of viewers in confidence, it's the same security concerns that are less than for the nation. where raising about the eastwood expansion of nato in ukraine, in close proximity to the russian border, was a mother image of the security concerns that the united states of america. 1962 during the cuban missile crisis have phrase. and that prompt that the cuban people to have been subject to, you know, and economic locate of more than 60 years because of security of that i'm putting on the security a opa seats to get the interest of, of the us. so we, we are obviously concerned because apart from what we have seen with the cubans who have seen the letter, liquor nomics, functions level to gain. so the people of zimbabwe by the u. s. a by the u.

k. and by the e. u at which it in essence, so pardon me, is the the it or the other people of them probably. so we obviously prone mike on a conduct that is not very cool inside of the united nations shuttle value in relation to you know, you know, that typically as of functions right? now let's talk about breaks and little bits. now we've seen the expansion of economic integration of bricks, countries, and one thing the world is looking forward to is settling by electro, a trade and national currencies where the both countries that are involved in such kind of trade now is that is hitting that by the west one we'll be able to, how far is south africa are ready to go in defending it, stand in, settling by law to a trade in national currencies. i think probably for you know,

your fewest to better appreciate the evolution of the topics payment settlement system. it's, it's equally critical for you, you'll feel we're still understand 3 pallets of cooperation amongst the brakes. uh a member states. the 1st one speaks about the centrality of political and security cooperation. that in essence, mike speaks about the importance of optics that breaks uh the nation stage should have in regards to peace and security at the l to into what we do for see that increasingly pretty useful to you and always stablish a particular proximity, as it relates to international peace and security architectures concern. the 2nd, the show obviously speaks about the centrality off a economic and financial corporation. if you look at the, the,

you know, some of the practical steps we have taken was the stablish been in us had knowledge ation on a equal share a capital basis, the new develop and banker and be that sold not to be um, you know, uh and this is the existing uh breton, with these a decent size issue. i imagine you will be. but is really you in the be, was established to ensure that the, you know, it becomes a, a more easily. and it was a 3 and reference point. full financial uh, allocation of capital in mobilization of capital for member states of your, of, of the brakes. the us pick up out the brakes payment and settlement system. we should be a new koval call about that. we should speak about that in the same product going

off then the bates that has been, uh, getting that right. the thing, the public that, that sold to uh, you know, uh, equate similarities in relation to detail. our zation is absolutely, you know, the same thing. what do it intends to do? my is to ensure that there is a brakes. a family of nice is where it goes to 3, the minds, our sales and the 3. it's obviously a de enable. it should be the settlement on local currencies without having to invoke international financial systems in regards to that, the type of issue at that obviously mike here speaks to the g to in the wrote my map on the cross border payment the system. so it's actually a matter of image of what the g, 20 nations us speaking about. it's a, you know, i tend to colleen it's

a post to define african payment system that the african union states has speaking about. so it's a key and able to ensure that breaks member states 3 set easily. so the economic dividends of each financial today. and then obviously the loss of cooperation speaks about the synthetic deal, people to people, cooperation and cultural diplomacy. that obviously is evident if you look at the, the, the, the entire continents in essence of, from the global south, on our present, in the breaks of a family of nations. it's interesting. now a area, any of this year we, we, the united states through weeds, bassett, a sub i forgot to south africa of supplying alms in weapons to russia. and as it is, of course, russia responded very firmly,

calling on the us not to drag high into issues between russia and on how herself. but after that was settled, once they any kind of pressure that your country came under from the west. well, um i think the most important issue, mike, these 1st, the prospecting and the following policy, independent for foreign policy positions of the for a nation including that of south africa. we, we have chosen to, you know, to amplify on the line, the us fun points as it relates in particular to the conflict between russia and ukraine. these concepts. so we should be under vocal about that. in fact, our membership of being part of the number line movement and subscribing to the bundling principal splits that obligation on south africa not to in, in,

in essence to become conflicted in difficulties that big powers. a face with the and in particularly year we speak about the difficulties that the, the nato advice of us that us and said that ation of face within them. so if it's the jo, political outlook as it relates to this one, ukraine is concerned. so we, we, we should be obviously on the approval code about that issue between south africa in the us, excess of strategic political partnership. which or the natalie mike base on shed fairly was a principal sofa of a democracy. and collaborations in areas of a good governance and economic diplomacy. it was unfortunate

that the, the, you or somebody of the effort to south africa is engaging or aiding that lesson for the ration military. i think you with the appreciate that is a, is a developing countries hold off at the f. not that i boss capacity to 8. that i sense that the russian military. so if you look at the entry point of that type of argument, that it was completely irrational. but the dismay president that i'm a pause, a point that they inquiries that validate that you know, our starting point that we f not aided their us and freed the race and military in fact, uh what the, the shipment and pay it was uh, the procurement doing uh, a deep uh decode, with $19.00 fund day me for the, you know,

to the capacity is the relates to peacekeeping missions in, in this, out of africa is concerned. so it's the unfortunate and we, we obviously stem from our b is our nemesis should depreciate where we stand is a is a upon african state in relation paul photo and policy and people to 3 speak. you know, our standpoint as relates to different areas into word this consent and it's obviously are the unfortunate that we had to, you know, undergo and i'm quite a severe beating on the financial markets because of the perceptions that was leveled against us. we have seen fresh struggles against new colonialism among the african countries and countries are beginning to reconsider the relational

i mean in gauge meant to of the west. why do you think this is resonating among african countries? now let's 1st be absolutely clear that the unconstitutional changes of government in africa. it is not the recall and say that but with the alpha can agenda not withstanding the thief or actually negate the fro that former colona pile powers continued to play in africa. and yeah, i'm specifically referencing a, you know, this, i'll go great lakes region to undergoing at some complex difficulty. but importantly, my get, you know, the former colonial powers has a responsibility to ensure that them, you know, $8.00 to $8.00 does not necessarily be at every,

every by $0.03 and operations. but actually, you know, support the development agenda of countries which they have been responsible. dakota nice. and in year i'm speaking, for example, the know and the experience because we have been nicole in new of the united kingdom, the u. k. in our relationship both in terms of human health, well the membership and also in terms of by letter where we have seen for example, to do okay. i deeply invested in relation to science and technology in relation to the thought of them being a key for and patrick, invest the and able to ensure that, you know, as a form of a calling me in the u. k. plays a particular developmental role that to ski and create to what,

what this obviously concerns us is that if a political independence has not to necessarily imply economic independence. the dead all of us should because send the quote to, you know, set then the condition of our specs as it relates to a, you know, a depo know project needs obviously to be examined because increasing the joy of, of taking a young person that they obviously more conscious, politically, den, yes, the, so we, we all obviously concerned that, you know, the african agenda is not been able to get the type of the same support from former a colonial must this in a number of unconstitutional changes of governments. if demonstrate that the,

you know, the, the question about the development that governance pod then and did depth result in what we call social up, even in countries where you've seen, you know, the military, it that, that assume she would ship of a ordinarily should be a civilian process, so it's on think this is what we stand for as africa and we have quote on, you know, on your military rulers, to ensure that they are for immediate discussions with a you commission, you know, in august uh to look at a parent season of a plan towards a civilian girl right now let's talk about the ongoing crisis in, in e's real between these well and palestine. we saw a lot of vocal support on the african continent for palestine demonstrations in

fabulous of africa in nigeria and some other countries that with demonstrations out likely in support of palestine. now, what do you think the continent can do when it comes to bringing solutions? because we've seen a new move where leaders in africa trying to take a step towards resolving or mediating between current war and countries of the world. what role can the african continent play in bringing solution to the the challenges and them released? well, i think the 1st aspect is obviously when we look at the the conflict as it relates to user, i didn't follow spanish. glancing at this, intel, at the, in the nobility of the un security council comes to the full. so in essence, firstly, the proud of the for the african nations, mike is about the common african position as

a spouse by you as well to any consensus which subscribe to the fact that africa must be present at the, in a permanent capacity. we're pick up an in the un security council yukon. have the permanent members so called the the b 5 in accordance to the times of 1945 my that 78 this they, after. and for the main stagnant to, you'll come to of a situation where they are going to has to be there to rights and privileges that exclusive amongst members of the b 5. that one vote vet those, the entire opinion as it relates to world peace and security and architecture is going is that the 2nd aspect is obviously to continue to champion the cis about peace diplomacy. we, we, uh, you know, happy that the,

the you and secretary to and that are like the new equip, toddlers invoke. i think the 99 uh that enabled team to call a moses session of the un security council for those scores we, we, we are concerned that the, for example, the us have actually, you know, rattled a, a truce between the fighting a actors in relation to the conflicting gaza and obviously it was facebook by part of the us and we continue to obviously engage the united states of america and them. so if it's a push it, as it relates to humanitarian diplomacy and the need to deescalate the need to establish a ceasefire at the need to establish

a human at that inquired and the need my to go back to the negotiation table in the court and to the $9.00 to $93.00, also a court so which speaks about you know this and tell it the offer to stay solution with each other. so then as the capital of palestine in accordance the bodies of 9067. so those are the issues that we are looking at this african states. but we, i think our people also appreciate that you know, in as much as 4 on the policy the past of the state to state the, you know, the hands of government, a non state actors or the people civil society, community based organizations as a central role to ensure this unity of purpose and this for the region that for example, the south african falling men, have a, you know, vote and after deliberate engagement, you know, for, for a,

temporarily suspension of a, you know, diploma ethic relations between the child off the car and and, and the state of is that right now you, you've talked about the united states z, towing it to swear. everyone is calling for peace for the united states. the save the cans, be peace, you know, from what is going on in the un security council. the what is your assessment of the tactic or the agenda of the united states in this particular conflict that is ongoing. and besides a, how is it going to rob of, on the perception of all the countries towards the united states. well, remember i can speak about the views of other countries. what i can speak about these, what is the optics of the oppressed people of the, what is the views of the global. so to which, you know, we,

we are present in yet today. obviously, you know, when you speak about the infringement of the you and talk to the us through brook approximation has been very vocal when it spoke about the annexation of the 3 sin east. and you agree by that? i sent for that asia. but if it, if spoken, with the muzzle voice installation to the next ation 75 years back in already 1948th of the length of defense, then people. so tell me what you are seeing here is inconsistency in relation to international law. and it's up location and we, we are concerned because what, what the state of is that it should be engaging on, as we speak to the east genocidal conduct against the people of palestine.

you've seen that the a people being target the cause of death and this, that the because of the way they look in us not seen the consistency of the us that, that speaks about violation of, you know, a, at an exemption instead of 3 of the pellets. 20 but you have not seen a decry, you know, and coincidence. express on the kidding in the meaning of more than 15000 bellis thing. women and children, as we're speaking about, i will call that we continue to me, is for all of us have to act in accordance to of international law way at the you and child though fairly well. so it becomes the supremacy that we look at the was the, that the spend my son, social justice and respect for life or be the up in

the, in the palestine conflict a, be the ukraine, the in the done by citation. that is what we are quoting for. south africa, hon. deputy minister, have him both tests. thank you so much for speaking tardy. thank you very much. i the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals, which allow me something living on lives have very close propaganda. you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're

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