the deputy normal deputy minister. thank you for joining us on our day to day and welcome to moscow. thank you very much. right. we have seen increased cooperation between your country. so africa and russia. and in fact, in one of the ways we, we does heard of a gas from bank of russia getting the approval of south african government to refund the some refineries that we just part of the cooperation with talk we're trying to see now what are some of the major cooperation in the agreements that you have signed between your country and russia this year, fairly. i think we are elated by the announcement that he has to do by the south african cabinet on this new fletcher venture involving a rush and anthea in making sure that we are able to

solve difficult recalibrate and particularly your, you know, your energy security aspect, the i tech, which is your significant, the pilot mechanism between the south africa and the address and for the ration look in particular in 7 uh, key strategic areas fall um underpinned by economic diplomacy. obviously the issues about right in investment, it's bottom on the investment. this key, if you, if your energy expands and in a corporation you of higher education, i would call to your, for your, what a resource management to of science and technology. so in essence, all 7 of those areas. so 6, the over the do you put chains in relation to our pilot relationship with?

so last year we celebrate that the, obviously, the tiers of diplomatic relations between the south africa and the us and say, the nation, the relationship between them, the south african people and the adoption of people goes back probably more than the 50 decades during the time when this, the south african people wait, it's a little bit patient struggle. we had the us and people always found that different the dispensation which apply to us. i looked at the with the south african and african struggles. so, you know, we used to be taught us that we should never let the wrong with repeat details and unjust the word order that we're seeing today have a system to profile. however, ballot relations the great tides. now we have seen the west to pose

a be terry assumptions on countries. they don't like do use single you could said that they could be assumptions on your country to do to your increase cooperation with russia. well, mike, i think are probably it's important to states where we stand in particular as it relates to what we classify as unilateral cause of sanctions. we all view of south africa that are the only august you and body that has the singing, the right to, to impose sanctions underpinned by the multi lead to the un system is the united nations security council of close south africa is concerned that our number line post you has been the use to seek to put us in to

a position of what i call good luck with. we uh the, the threatened to choose the uh, the site. the one or the other. the power of south africa obviously, is not in the line to we subscribe to the bundle principles which speaks about the, you know, the integrity of the individual in the nation states. we raise with the, the, the us a couple of months in the us state. the station our concern uh, when we were looked at about the uh, the russian uh maligned uh, activities above that the, the, the house uh, and receipts device which ultimately directed the gains boat state, the non state actors that seem to be in support of the,

of us and for the ration and i think we, we were successful because of those specific reference to african uh, activity says that the release that i sent for that ation was removed from that particular button. uh, but we remain concerned that uh, obviously uh, those unilateral sanctions of being a champion, as we speak against that us. and for that i said, and many other countries, i mean disregard mike. we speak about the economic wrote case against the people of cuba since 1962. and if we every call and take your list view was in confidence. it's the same security coincidence that less than for the nation. where raising about the east with the expansion of nato in ukraine, in close proximity to the russian border. it was

a mother image of the security coincidence that the united states of america, 1962 during the cuban missile crisis. the phrase and that the problem that the cuban people to have been subject to you know, and economic locate of more than 60 years. because of security of what i'm putting on the security at opa seats to get it the interest of, of the us. so we, we are obviously concerned because apart from what we have seen with the cubans who have seen the letter, liquor nomics, functions level to gain. so the people of zimbabwe by the u. s. a by the u. k. and by the e. u at which it in essence, so problem is the it or the other people often and probably. so we obviously prone mike on a conduct that is not very cool inside of the united nations shuttle value

innovation to, you know, you know, that typically as of sanctions. right. now let's talk about breaks a little bit. now we've seen the expansion of economic integration of bricks, countries, and one thing the world is looking forward to is settling by electro trade and national currencies where the both country that are involved in such kind of trade now is that is hitting that by the west one way or the other, how far is south africa are ready to go in defending it. stand in settling by law to a trade in national conferences, i think probably for your fewest to better appreciate the evolution of the topics payments, settlement system it's, it's equally critical for you you'll feel was to understand 3 pallets of cooperation amongst breaks the member states as the 1st one speaks about the

centrality of political and security cooperation. that in essence, mike speaks about the importance of optics that breaks uh the nation stage should have in regards to peace and security and fail to into what we do for see that increasingly pretty useful to you and always stablish a particular proximity, as it relates to international peace and security architecture is concerned. the 2nd issue obviously speaks about the centrality of uh, economic and financial corporation. if you look at the, you know, some of the practical steps we have taken was the stablish been in all the sudden allies ation on a equal share a capital basis, the new development bank or, and to be that the so not to be um, you know, uh, and this is the existing pattern with these

a decent size issue i am asking you will be, but is really you in to be was established here to ensure that the, you know, it becomes a, a more easily. and it was a 3 and reference point, full financial uh, allocation of capital in mobilization of capital for member states of your, of, of the brakes. the us pick about the brakes payment then says on one system we should be, i knew koval call about that we should not speak about that in the same product enough then debates that has been getting the right the thing, the public that that sold to a you know, equate similarities in relation to data lies ation. it's absolutely not the same thing. what do you think tends to do might, is to ensure that there is a breaks, a family of nations where able to faith amongst ourselves and that the rates are

obviously uh, the enabled that should be the settlement on local currencies without having to invoke international financial systems in regards to that, the type of issue at that obviously myco speaks to the jeep when the road meg map on the cross for the payment system. so it's actually a matter of image or what the g. 20. yeah. nations, us speaking about it's a, you know, identical image, it goes through a defined african payment system that the african union states has speaking about. so it's a key and able to ensure that breaks member states 3 set easily. so the economic, the ends of each financial today. and then obviously the loss of cooperation speaks about the centrality of people to people,

cooperation and cultural diplomacy. that obviously is evident if you look at the, the, the, the entire continents, in essence, from the global south on our, presented in the breaks of a family of nations. it's interesting. now a area ended this year. we, we, the united states, the read some backs, the days of africa, cues, of africa, of supplying alms and weapons to russia. and as it is, of course, russia responded very firmly, calling on the us not to drag high into issues between russia and on how herself. but after that was settled, was there any kind of pressure that your country came under from the west? well, um the, i think the most important issue, mike,

is 1st the prospecting, the following policy, independent photo, the photos and policy positions. so for the, for a nation, including that of south africa we, we have chosen to, you know, to amplify on the line to us fun points as it relates in particular to the conflict between russia and ukraine. these concepts. so we should be under vocal about that. in fact, our membership of being part of the non the line movement and subscribing to the bundle principles, boots that obligation owns, hold off for the guy not to in, in, in essence, to become conflicted in difficulties that big powers, a face with the and in particularly year we speak about the difficulties that the, the nato advice of us, that i send for that ation of face within them. so if it's the jo,

political outlook as it relates to this one, ukraine is concerned. so we, we, we should be obviously on equal vocal about that issue in between. so the guy in the us next is that it's easy pallets or partnership at which or the natalie mike base on shed fairly was a principal sofa of a democracy and calibrations in areas of a good governance and economic diplomacy. it was a rather unfortunate that for the you or somebody to the effort to south africa is engaging or aiding that i sent for the ration military. i think you with the appreciate that is a, is a developing countries hold off at the f, not that type of capacity to 8. that i sense that the russian military. so if you

look at the entry point of that type of, of argument that it was complete the rational but b dismay, president, i'm a pause, a point that they inquired ethan validate that you know, i was fun pointed to we f, not aid did us. and for the race and military, in fact, what the, the shipment entails was the procurement doing a good decode, with 19 fund day me, for the, you know, through the capacity is the, relates to peacekeeping missions in, in this, out of offer case consent. so it's the unfortunate and we, we obviously stand for them at our is our nemesis should appreciate where we stand is a is

a upon african state in relation paul foreign policy and people to 3 speak. you know, our standpoint as relates to a different areas in the world, this consent. and it's obviously unfortunate that we had to, you know, undergo and i'm quite a severe beating on the financial markets because of the perceptions that was leveled against us. we have seen fresh struggles against new colonialism amongst african countries and countries are beginning to reconsider the release of knowing me the engagement with the west. why do you think this is resonating among african countries? now, let's 1st be absolutely clear that the unconstitutional changes of combo month in africa. it is not the recall and say that but with the african

agend northwood standing to perceive all actual negate the fraud that former a colonial power powers continued to play in africa. and yeah, a specific fear, referencing a, you know, decide to go great lakes region is undergoing at some complex difficulty. but importantly, my get, you know, the former uh no, no powers has a responsibility to ensure that them, you know, 8 to 8 does not necessarily be at every, every, by 3 sense that operations. but actually, you know, support the development agenda of countries which they have been responsible, dakota nice and, and year i'm speaking for example, i know and experience it because we have been calling new of the united kingdom,

the u. k. in our relationship both in terms of human health, well the membership and also in terms of the pallet to where we have seen for example, the u. k. i deeply invested in relation to science and technology in relation to thought of them being a key for it. and patrick, invest the and then able to ensure that, you know, as a form of a colony, the u. k. plays a particular developmental role that to ski and create to what, what this obviously concerns us is that the for political independence has not necessarily imply economic independence. the dead, all of us should because send the quote to, you know, set then the condition of aspects as it relates to a,

you know, a d corona project needs, obviously to be examined because increasing the joy of african a young person that today obviously more conscious politically, den, yes, the, so we, we all obviously concerned that, you know, the african agenda is not been able to get the type of the same support from former a colonial must this in a number of unconstitutional changes of governments have demonstrated that the, you know, the the question about the development that governance power then ended death resulted in once we call social up even in countries where you have seen, you know, the military, it that, that assume she would ship of a or the natalie should be a civilian process. so it's onto this as to what we stand for as africa,

and we have quote on, you know, on your military rulers, to ensure that they are for immediate discussions with a new commission. you know, in august uh to look at the pronunciation of a plan towards a civilian girl. right now, let's talk about the ongoing crisis in, in east river between israel and palestine. we saw a lot of full coal support on the african continent for panos by the way, demonstrations fabulous with africa in nigeria and some of the countries that were demonstrations out slightly in support of palestine. now, what do you think the continent can do when it comes to bringing solutions? because was seen the new move where lead as in africa, trying to take a step towards resolving or mediating between kind of war in countries of the world

. what role can the african continent play in bringing solution to the, the challenges and them released? well, i think the 1st aspect is obviously when we look at the the conflict as it relates to these that are in, published by mis glancing at the centrality in the nobility of the un security council comes to the full. so in essence, firstly, the power of the for the african nations, mike is about the common african position as a spouse by jo as well to any consensus which subscribe to the fact that africa must be present at the, in a permanent capacity where pick up an in the un security council yukon, have the permanent members so called the the b 5 in accordance to the times of 1945 my that 78 this they,

after and for main stegman to, you'll kind of a situation where a day continues to be fair to rights and privileges that exclusive amongst members of the b 5. it's one vote that those the entire opinion as it relates to world peace and security and architectures cleanser . the 2nd aspect is obviously to continue to champion the cis about peace diplomacy. we, we, uh, you know, happy that the, the un secretary to and that are like the new equip partners involved. i took the 99 uh that uh, enable team to call a moses session of the un security council. and, but of course we, we, we are concerned that the, for example, the us have, actually, you know, rattled a,

a truce between the fighting a actors in relation to the conflicting casa. and obviously it was facebook by, by the us. and we continued to obviously engage the united states of america in them. so if it's a push it, as it relates to humanitarian diplomacy and the need to deescalate the need to establish a ceasefire at the need to establish a human at that inquired and the need my to go back to the negotiation table in the court and to the 1993 a also a court so which speaks about you know this and tell it the offer to stay solution with each other, swimming as the capital of palestine in accordance the bodies of 9067. so those are

the issues that we are looking at this african states. but we, i think our people also appreciate that you know, in as much as 4 on the policy are the past of the state to state the, you know, the hands of government, a non state actors or the people civil society, a community based organizations as a central role to ensure this unity of purpose and this for the region that folks, i'm for the south african falling men, have a, you know, vote and after deliberate engagement. and you know, for, for a, temporarily suspension of a, you know, diplomatic relations between south africa and, and, and the state of is that right now you, you've talked about the united states, v tooling to swear everyone is calling for peace for the united states. the say the

can be peace, you know, from what is going on in the un security council. the, what is your assessment of the tactic or the agenda of the united states in this particular conflict that is ongoing. and besides, how is it going to rob of, on the perception of other countries towards united states? well, i remember i can speak about the views of other countries. what i can speak about these, what is the optics of the oppressed people of the, what is the views of the global? so to which, you know, we, we are presenting here today. obviously, you know, when you speak about the infringement of the you and talk to the us through broke approximation has been very vocal when it spoke about the annexation of the 3 sin east. and you agree by that i sent for that asia. but if

they've spoken with a muscle voice in the relation to the next ation 75 us back in already and 1948th of the land, both defendants then people. so can me what you are seeing here is inconsistency in relation to international law. and is up location and we, we are concerned because what, what the state of is that it should be engaging on as we speak the day is genocidal conduct against the people of palestine. you've seen that the a people being target the cause of death and this at the because of the way they look and us not seen the consistency of the us. the best piece about violation of, you know, a at an exemption instead of 3 of the pellets. 20 but you have not seen

a decry, you know, and coincidence. express on the killing and maiming of more than 15000 bellis staying open. and so that on his way of speaking of our quote that we continued to me is for all of us to act in accordance to of international law way at the you and child to fairly well. so becomes the supremacy that we look at the was the, that the spend my son, social justice, and respect for life or be the up in the, in the palestine conflict. a b, a ukraine in that done by studies you. that is what we are quoting for. south africa hon. deputy minister have in both tests. thank you so much for speaking tardy. thank you very much. the

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