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the country gained independence after so many years of the brutal war, the lease of the russian states. never as one of the most sense community best to him. then i'll send some of the same assistance to father speed. the one else calls question about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on rochester routing and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for the question, did you say they replaced the
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the hello and welcome across the top. were all things are considered. i am peter level . the genocidal assault on gaza has made itself felt in a variety of ways in terms of geo politics, the united states and israel stand together virtually alone and isolated the complex. cuz also seen the rise of extreme censorship all across the western world . criticizing israel and sign is and has become essentially a criminal act,
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so called western values are now meaningless. the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess. rein, mcgovern in raleigh. he is a former c. i a analyst in seattle. we have ramsey, rude, he is a power speed officer and journalist, and in new york we crossed to line on the as a legal and media analyst or a gentleman, cross type rules in effect, that means you can jump any time in one. and i always appreciated pilot start with ray, and i'm in raleigh. we we have this phrase. it's often used. it's called the writing on the wall. and it comes from the book of david. and i would submit to all of you and our viewers that we see the writing on the wall. we see what is going on. no, it's up to you how you interpreted and react to it. but you will be judged by what
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we all see on the wall on it. i don't want to go into high perfectly here, but if you don't want to see the writing on the wall, then you're lying to yourself, which is the ultimate sin, the right. you're lying to yourself while you're a completely delusional and thinking that the us is completely all powerful, as it used to be, the king bosses are. and the hebrew scriptures as got really worried about things. and there was high in the handwriting on the wall. i had quite a interpreter, you've got all his expertise, he's got all of their kind and everything and the zip code, can you tell me what this means? only down your quote already, so you're a travel, the king bosses block, your k number is about to go. so i think you're right in quoting that what we have here is a application both to ukraine. and now 2 guys as well. the hand
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right is on the wall. the only problem is that in those days, there were no nuclear weapons that you know around see 1st of all, thank you cuz they're getting up so early in the morning for us to bite. and he said he's an odd politician if that's an understatement. he admits that there is excessive, indiscriminate bombing going on. these re lease or indiscriminately bombing causes physic. ministration has admitted this, but it continues to fund it. so he has completed this is just as much of his war as it is missing yahoo. and he has to own it because of the history is going to judge him very, very badly. because the phrase jennifer genocide, joe doesn't come out of being here, ramsey to settle. see, i mean we of course, often link so it's an american president's to, um, to southern countries instead of the wars. so we say this is, uh, this is bush's war, this is uh, uh,
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obama is war. but to this is going to go down in history as vines as war. and uh, in fact, the tongue conclusive, i think it's a lot more then complicit is directly involved in this war. it's remember that from the very, very 1st day, you will have the lots of emptiness making, secretary of state, heading to tell it be sitting in the war council meeting. declaring that this is that as well, how to know and mobilize and international support in oral this was on behalf of israel. so the americans were not trying to hide it. we don't really need to know much, what's going on based on various of this be the selves with us. not only this is bill more that they did not want to want to stop when the entire international community continue to hold for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. declaring enough, is it not by then and his still cause say no carry on. how much gonna win is,
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will must emerge winner in this war because he understood it likely that the point is, will be as if he was something in the middle east. so that's why you continue to defend finance. and so for the war and so this day, well no matter how this ends, israel is lost, it is lost on so many different levels. and we will, i want to talk about the day after, and i find you quite odious the they to israel and the americans are talking about the day after when they object to by palestinians still again. but let me, let me go to you, jo, buying and said, you said many times be sent recently that i am scientist. no, i know americans are not very well educated. this though they're better now than they've ever been before. and i'm very happy about that. but i know that's something that the israeli political lead wants to be here. i don't think americans
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necessarily understand what that means. but is, is ramsey is already pointed out. the global south knows exactly what it means. again, complicit libel. the words here are never ever said by accident i, we've talked very tired. i'm a lawyer by profession in words. mean something, statutes mean something the particular expression of something. i mean, also, if i could say something before, i forget, you know, you always hear people say you never take antibiotics successively because what you're going to do is you're going to create antibiotic resistant. springs of new things you never thought were there. we have completely up to skate and we have ruined the terms. designers. as you semitism apartheid, genocide, ethnic cleansing, see international law, the un, nobody knows anything. and one more thing i have been doing this, i have been a listen to this, a professional co talk to a person for 35 years and up till now. something happened number one was always
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think say whatever you want, but when you use the word is real in any so you better never be or, or, or, or verify or beer from the official narrative. that's number one. number 2, something happened, something is different now versus october the 7 years ago. but we had the intifada one and divided 2 americans were like, all those, those crazy middle easterners look at the way they do it. i'm telling you they'll never be peace there any way. they'll figure it out. this change, i don't know what it is, the calculus of change. why does different social media? who knows? but what i'm saying is america and american politics are living in oblivion. if you watch fox news, you will swear you will say, what is the big deal. meanwhile, the rest of the world, i don't want to stay cloud schwab but, but the great reset is upon us. but this reset, this put it this way, this pendulum is going to come back like a wrecking ball. everything is changed. now, whatever the narrative was 510 years ago,
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it's all over with. so get ready. embrace yourself. right? you martin government for a long time. you actually brief president's of the united states. so you know, you were in the valley of the least as a work. how do we get to this point? okay, because it always hasn't been this way. i mean, when, when joe buying right after october, 7th, flew to israel to give a bear hug to the most popular man in the history of the state of israel. i mean, did these people have any strategy? they have any idea how they look to the rest of the world. i don't think they do. i don't think our president is fully accomplished mentors. as having been said, this has been going on for a very long time. in the eighty's, for example, when you saw the federal notes in the colonial session that was going into the west bank and elsewhere, it was clearer, isabel, we had photos of it up to the guys who and you know, i'd would touch it know,
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and even those but the integrity like secretary, george schultz, they couldn't talk to it. now after the attack on iraq. general brent scowcroft to it had been national security advisor and want to go to a real estate post as head of the foreign intelligence board for younger bush. he said something to the financial times and it was this ariel sharon has, are present, mesmerized. he has a president wrapped around his little finger, 2001 this your yahoo is in the living room. what else can set you? is i to turn that video camera off but yeah, i know that. yeah. okay. then he says, you know where it goes when it goes so easily move 80 percent deliver good support
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is it's, i'm sure in a quote that you know now will it be the same? it has been up till now will sooner hits prevail or either sooner heads. i don't know if anyone approval or except those people surrounding guys a right now. whether they will tolerate much more of this carnage much more of this genocide and it is a text book case of genocide, s. and this is the, the ultimate conclusion of sinus i'm, that's a bit. this is was so easily predictable. you know, ramsey um, obviously uh, being in the media like like a line. oh, i talked to a lot of people and i talked to no graduate student friend. and um, you know, i mentioned, he said, yeah, it's a so complicated it's, it's just such a longstanding, complex. and i said, well, no, it's actually not longstanding and it can be solved. that's called the end of the occupation. and he said, what, occupation? this guy has a ph. d in history. this is what we're up against,
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ramsey. right now, you know, why is this the case? why is it so that will educate to americans are completely uninformed of what is happening in palestine at the moment. well, you know, i've traveled, you know, across the global south, many, many countries i've been to over 50 countries from africa to south america, so asian elsewhere. and yet the average person seems to be well educated. the highest on even general impressions are out of sight. are far greater than the maximum knowledge that americans have, and that's where the american media comes in. i mean, these guys are working around the clock 247. yet somehow you will watch cnn watch fox. you watching a m s a, b c. and you kind of leave with the impression that you know a lot less then you began with the challenging this. now this is why there's a major change that is happening. let him know. that's the one that's already are.
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but yes, the major chains of this happening is that you will have so many alternative platforms venue voices in for the one source. and we are in one way or another. using social is using american. we just went through the knowledge, we are testing the main stream media on how to start doing it one more time to catch up with us now. and that's really the major change that has happened in this particular one of that is what else? again, there is no longer working is that is what was the problem again, that is actually being chatted well if it runs, if i can stay with you, i mean the 1st of all everyone am i want my audience knowing my guess. and now that is, i know so much about the conflict in palestine because of our guest ramsey. i read everything that he ever, uh writes every time it comes out very often in anti war dot com, which is i'm very thankful for that. but, you know, one of the thinks it's very important to, to point out is that there is a change of consciousness right now, because it's really hot, right?
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it's, it's really sloppy now, or maybe i just began to notice, go ahead. it's does look sloppy now, but the theory that i read strongly in is that it's always been sloppy. it just, we just did not exist on the other side of the composition. whatever the is what you just said, this is why we can be the bible. this is why we bombed the baptist hospital and ship up. this is why we do the things we do. will it know what is that to say you're wrong and to expose you after the set, the videos that you produce, pay, what are the allies and what are the tools are, will you get if you're going to get to get away with slightly trying to determine some of the information, right? the have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state with archie. the
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the welcome that's across stuff were all things are considered. i'm futile. bill, this is the home addition your mind you were discussing palestine the
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okay, let's go back to long island, new york. and i know, as you well know, i've been out of united states for a long time. and so maybe you can explain something that has happened since i left . apparently there's rapid anti semitism in the united states, which i, when i left, i wasn't aware that that was the case. so what happened of it's been a long time. i'm going to agree with that, but you know, i turn on the news and it looks like, you know, they're, the countries been taken over by a named a baseless nazis. go ahead. well, it's funny you say that and the selective use of the term nazi, if you were to mention that, for example, in ukraine, if i were to talk about the as a battalion or the right sector, what's the name of this difference is one of these terms at large um, i don't know if you gentlemen have been following this absolute distraction, but as you know in some of our ivy league schools, some of the presidents of the school have said that before we provide the blanket
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prohibition again, speech at a university there has to be something in terms called context that we have other members of congress as, as are you saying that genocide is kind of like know, this is in genocide. it's the use of the term genocide. so what's happening is, as, as, as i mentioned before, the word anti semitism and anti zionism and anti israel have become somehow amalgamated into there's been a globule of confusion. and because it's been you so much like in our country, the word racism, everything is racism, sexism is another, is a. so in the meantime, you have this world right now and let me just just one sites. the trick that people need to do, and i've been studying communication and obfuscation since post co vetted particular, russo full be a grumbling, but you name it, you stick to a particular narrative. and one of the things you say is simply this. this could be sam handle very simply, once we get rid of an anomaly from us,
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now it stop right there. what does that even mean? or we will do this so long is the power cindy is do not like to much. so the question though is, how do we tell somebody whom to elect? first of all, we say you have to have a watch it. and then we say you have an election, but you can elect these people. so what's happening? most americans, i'm sorry to say, and this may, i may be the ultimate uh, ugly american, but there seems to be this almost an infantile is in this manner he in less than right. good or bad evil, best. and that's it. don't complicate me. just tell me who's a bad guy, cuz i've gotta move on and they've got to watch sports or whatever it is. so when it comes to confusion, this is the epicenter of confusion, right? jump it. i think lionel is completely right, is, is zionism and anti semitism had been, it couldn't flight is by act of congress together. and the worst thing is that even the good reporters and they're really all a home back before iraq, jonathan land,
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they and warren straw. but with knight ridder, they got it right on weapons of mass destruction. land is work or for writers. robles work better for the wash, the wall street journal, this spinning propaganda about the russian is losing 90 percent of the troops shooting occur. and i mean, you know, it was a good guys need to earn a living, i guess. but i don't experience that certainly they can come with us and tell ultras a. yeah. and there's a, there are a few heroes out there. um, but uh, you know, i, i want to, i want to, i don't want to be so pessimistic and so hardened by the fact that the people that are challenging this and it's causing a lot of turbulence here. but you know, ramsey, you know, one of the things that we just want to make very clear to our viewers. this, a mouse has to be destroyed. well, on the face of it, that can be debated,
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obviously. but it's, it's a code for ethnic cleansing and the mainstream media and the political leads are 100 percent, a 100? no, we just wanna get rid of them us. well, the only way you're going to do that is completely cleanse and commit a genocide against 2200000 people and it is in train. you know? oh, that's a lot. oh, you're exactly know what's happening. everyone is happening. the boss has to be destroyed. indeed, is it code peter, and we need to decode it? why didn't have time, you know, emphasized, for example, from the very beginning to this day, how math is isis? how math is a high the, what he means by that is that there was only one way to deal with the terrorist devices in india, walker and syria. and that's to eradicate them to push them out. people, one of us has the car and, and elsewhere. and just pushed out of the config somewhere and that doesn't, we don't know. we don't care whether you go, he was, if you could actually create that scenario of how mazda and there's some warranties
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in god. but it's different from us, like it was. he is a national rehabilitation movement. that's a great, we didn't define boundaries, they don't want to clearly fate. they don't want to do over other countries. they want delivery, the old countries, and they called us typically make references to international law is unbelievable. how often, how mass makes references to international law and how to lead the absent the elements of law and international law firm. that is what you political discourse. this is dangerous because the american sport, so the french for some reason important. so along with the drum, as the british and the everybody got excited about, the idea will be right. if you can come up with the larger meaning of that is that we don't you why the good time us, everybody will support from us any particular context of social context of how much . therefore, we need to destroy the palestinian people in garza plain and simple. a don't
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a line. well, and that is, that's a message that is like, is not being received in the, in america. you know what i'm saying is absolutely right line or is it, it's really quite interesting if you, if you watch international media, even state media around the world, there is very, very often references the international law because that is what keeps countries protection when you grow up in america, in some degree in the u. k. um we don't, that's was only convenient. we mentioned when it works for you other than that, but we're right, we're virtuous people, so we're going to do what we're going to do. and it's very interesting is that people have resistance movements. that's one of the only tools that they have against the powerful is international law. and obviously with your own eyes, you can watch the endless amounts of video coming out of that. and he's like, well, that is a divide elation of, uh, international international humanitarian law. i don't know what is well, you know, what's funny if, if, if you held up, if you gave the scenarios to students law students,
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international law and you just cover to be said country a did the following or hold up an x ray or hold of a lab result, they do. what is this pregnant? dead, broken leg. that's the way most people think of of law is if you do this, it is a, it is a violation. let me go back and i'm glad we brought up 911. i learned these wonderful images, for example, the better to find them there than here. oh them oh. and the smoking gun could be a could be a mushroom cloud. oh them. and they also said there hasn't been a $911.00 since $911.00. there hasn't been a world what. what does that mean? there hasn't been a world where choose is what we're doing. and what happens is when you're very good at semantics, and you play this and you act like terrorism is identified, but like evil, evil, we're going to stop able to access of evil. and you use terrorism as to how much is a place or, or anybody is placed. and also one more thing relative to the people. ask japan was they thought about, you know, the no, le gay. and they wouldn't have
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a different version of the dropping of with atomic bombs versus us. we lot, we applaud those are our troops, and we never can put ourselves in the position of somebody else because very luckily, the only be we've had on our soul now. soil rather not what is 911 and that is in no way enable us to really comment on what people around the world are or feeling and existing every single day. we have been lucky by virtue of our democracy, of our geography, which is another thing americans know nothing about that where anything is. yeah, you know, right. i leave, i guess really, prime minister said the, you know, on october 7th, israel experience multiple 9 eleven's been okay. fine, that's no big as line was saying like maybe that's one of your interpretations, but i would retort in any journalist worth their salt would say. so how many? 911. how's the people of gods that experience since that day?
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so you expect this, this posting to answer enough people. it's not a place, it's just a problem. it's not, you know, and if it is like someone else solve, it will, but we'll pay for it. there's so much power this when it comes to that, you know, it all to my life and it was already mentioned, you know, you didn't have to tip to around know, speak true. this truth will give you just is right. i think that there are bright lights here, and that is the fact that they use in this country. they all have these, i phone, see, and iphones are the latest technology and they can cause revolutions. ok. they care about the telegraph, where you back a century ago. the think about the tape recorder, where all of a was taping is sherman, that came from all a mental reps. and it's that what is revolution? now we have the i phones, young people in our country are being affected by the photos by the videos coming out of out of gas i. now, i think that there is a reason for
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a whole lot of those kids. they can't go on forever. and my only my only fear is that the surrounding country is around that palestine, as we are the arab countries and also turkey and iran. how long can a whole back their own populations, many of whom are palestinians, how long could they escape it forever? and not go in and stop the carnage. stop the jealous. i don't know. the answer to that rosy, probably does. but i'd like to hear his views on that. yeah, i'm seeing, you know, you know, we have through western tab goes anthony, blinking is talking about the day after and he's going to consult with letting you know about the day after. well, when did tell us, because we could have given the chance to say this is what we want. that's never there. and maybe you have the, uh, the occupation and then that can give breathing room and, and variety,
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and discussion and new ones. but they will never be that if the company, if the occupation continues as much as long policies, what's that mean? is this going to piece sort of thinking about the middle east and about the world. in fact, what works in the early ninety's would work in 2003 would work in gaza today. but it's not true at all. what will happen in the day after is going to be determined by the people that goes on by the palestinian people themselves, as would be determined by the other nations that are why is it in sort of attitude with gauze? i mean people off with often and they showed, were already, are a nation, how come they are not standing up for their brother in law's and the, as a is actually the all, if you don't what's happening in, in live in on what's happening you up. what's happening in the human and else where they are, there is a view, middle east identity that is being formulated. and this is going to hunt the
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american administration for a very long time. but the after in gaza is a really be she, by the fighting issue here by the steps passed missile over 4000000 people involved . and by everything that is happening outside the school of american control in palestine or to the middle east. right gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we've run out of time. fascinating discussion. what i think my guess in raleigh, seattle, and in new york. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. ok. so you next time. remember rus knuckles, the at the end of the 19th century, africa was divided between european empires.

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