few of them, there's a lot about some of these update this out, the more habits all over. yeah, i'll see you again the the, i'm action or times a welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the middle east in morning and in the shadow of abiding administration featuring the un security council resolution to end the gaza genocide down by the u. s u k. and new nations veteran ohio congressman and former democratic presidential contender dentist because image is cooling, prezis, find palestine, and the end of nature, a back war against russia through ukraine. he joins me again from cleveland in ohio

. thank you so much, dennis for coming back on. things seem to have gotten much worse since your last on, on the show. i suppose biden obviously gave us $200000000.00 to zalinski, but we buy the stock with gaza. how, how is a bite and able to continue? i mean, israel to commit genocide in gaza when the whole world, the, even canada voted against the united states. even britain abstained on the ceasefire. a resolution of the united nations general assembly were israel and the united states. are really in this together, but the rest of the world and 99 percent of the world. he is asking for another direction or asking for a ceasefire. and not only is that you know, government accelerating the carnage. i was there now talking about waging war

against the west bank. and so this is part of the larger plan to ethnically cleanse palestinians out of jared tours. so they can be claimed as part of a larger plan that net. yeah. whose ultra nationalist partners are um, have been advocating for quite some time. i mean, 10 of your goals are of these 5 being so loud. you go lounge i just what, how, how does the mass killing of children in any conceivable way help uh oh. geo political way help the united states in this world. well, you know, that's the question. answers itself is this is howard breaking. i mean, i, i'm on the loss of, of israeli children i am on the loss of palestinian children. but we have to remember that the carnage that's being waged in gaza

is wholly just for fortunate. and it's, it's a worst choice against develop certainly is it going to be called the war because there's a, there will be a droughty and an exchange of, uh, a force you said disproportionate to the also, that is riley's of cause, who died on october the 7th but by then said to appear to say the f b, i only enforcement services in the united states con, protect the american jews. he said, quote, within oh israel, they would, they wouldn't be a jew in the world that is safe. i mean them or american jews in the united states and there are in israel. what does the talking about that was it the have like a policy at the white house? well, we certainly want jews to be safe wherever, wherever they live. but israel guarantees the safety as much,

but here's the thing. this war is not making is rarely safe or do you say it's anywhere in the world? it is widely viewed by the rest of the work as being a vengeful act is being ethnic cleansing is being genocide is being a massacre. and there are those who wrongly blame all jews for that. this is the net yahoo administration and this is their plan just during their program. and we, i'm, we have to be mindful that the members of the administration who are alter nationalist, have long held the plan to eliminate palestinians from some guys and the west bank and for that matter, southern lebanon. this and there's, there's

a number of things wrong with this. one is that there, there is discrimination and choose all over the world and it's excel or anything because of this work. but the thing that i'm concerned about as someone who actually considers himself a friend of israel district lead to the destruction of israel itself. because of the people that were standing with government still in the middle east. the people and these are various nations that are the neighbors of, of israel are, are watching every day the, the dash wasn't shown and then, and the other and mentor announcer battles. and there's only so much that people can tolerate in their hearts. i mean, you know, we, we understand that the jews were traumatized across the

generations by the holocaust. how could they not be but one must not take that drama and deal with it by inflicting the same kind of punishment or other people. and this is exactly what's happening and it is, is a great tragedy, but it's a matter of choice in the united states has been falling behind is you're making a mistake about it. president biden is falling behind israel in this endeavor, and he may scold prime minister netanyahu. he may tell him to stop, but he's also providing the weapons to continue and, and, and to seeking even more. so, you know, i, i stand for the survival of israel. i stand for their survival of the palestinians . i think we have to be on the side of peace. that's the side that the world ought

to be on. instead, what's happening? is that a true propaganda? no, you means there is an attempt to justify the mass going a palace standing and there is no transportation for that. just as there was no justification for the depths of the $1200.00 israelis to paris on october 7th. now, you know, you can get into the history and have fully aware of the history, but i'm not sure what you're doing. and once you, once you start to justify murder, you become involved in the cycle of violence that never stops. and this is as old as, as you remember dates, but we, we certainly have, we now hear all this information about october, the 7th. at may a separate to that, but of course some of the most articulate voices supporting palestine in this on stored on gauze, all jewish voices, and from the jewish community all around the world and americans use. but this time

around if you look at opinion polls the american public, it seems completely out of step with the congressman and women. how, how is it that the congress does not reflect us opinion polls show, you know, about half of the people saying what israel is doing is wrong. basically, it appears to be anyway. yeah, i would say on the issue of, of israel, there's always been a disconnect between the mass of the american people and members of congress. i, you know, we can't denied that israel's been very successful to various lobbies and having a very strong position with respect to members of congress. and you know, there's a whole range of activities that take place to ensure that there is no support will continue. so i mean, i'm familiar with that of course, but as your body is the democrat party there was and the republicans give it to

well. and luckily we have a unit party right now when it comes to war. and that's a problem. i find it hard for i think to see ethnic cleansing the massacres, genocide inflicted on on the palestinians. the world is crying out for now just as each wire, but for a means of, of settling the differences that exist between the parties. we thought ours always going to do that now. the prime minister netanyahu is not only talking about ripping out loud as well, but he's ready to attack a military, ready to launch a military attack against voice mag and the end and the palestinian authority to watch. wow, yeah, we have the noise. what negotiate jerone walked out of the interview the other day

from this joe. so i know joelle as low as seem, but you met and then you know, having to you. and i understand he had words with you about the names, but he's really policy are, these is policy in the united states need you to follow his policy? yeah, he's made it very clear. this was 20 years ago that he was able to have the united states take out a rack, graham and libya. and i talked to him personally about this, and i asked him if you feel so strongly about, as i mentioned and you know, why don't you do it? and they were signed in very close to on. she said, oh no, oh no. we want you to do this. and this relationship between the united states and israel. and i think we have to ask in the us, we have to ask at what point? again, does mister netanyahu not speak

a score united states at what point we continue to listen to him. he was, he testified before congress just before the rack war began, there was one of those wanted america to go after rack. he was right. we were lied to take us into that war. uh, you know, i gave over 500 speeches in congress. not only against the rank war, but against war was ran against the attacks on 11 in syria, on behalf of the palestinians, or just trying to survive. and now they had to do with any dislike for the government of israel, especially the people of israel. but what netanyahu's government has done is to take israel in a new direction that is offensive to human rights and to offensive to to everything is good and decent about humanity. while in,

in fantasy does enjoy massive support, of course, within israel. i also understand that there was a plan to attack the civil nuclear plug program in the wrong. i mean, i was speaking to you from the middle east would have an impact perhaps environmental impact here. yeah, there was such a go and i spoke out against it on the floor of the house when, when the 1st elements of it appeared when the united states was returned to launch a nuclear bunker busters on the speciality research facility. and i think it was other stuff on the bush at the brochure react to do that. let's but that, so let's go deeper into this is a time for reappraisal of the united states role in the world. and of our willingness to support why and much anywhere and everywhere in the world.

we need a of a policy and international policy that can work with the nations of the world and, and, and not as a, as a uniform or a nation. but through cooperation. and you know, our, in our efforts a successful entry ford, unfortunately to cut off communication with russia has resulted in russia are beginning to separate from the west of south. there's nothing good can come out of that. we're creating new power blocks as a result of the, of, of, of our willingness to participate in aggression. and, you know, to reasons that briggs was credited and, and it's, and you know what, it doesn't work or is it u. s. involvement in, in ukraine was a disaster. well, i tell you, i'll stop you. that is what we have more of that in about 2 more from the twice us

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that no one who is the guy that illegal anymore wisely bought adjustments for him to be on box weighing a 174. he used to go through the sentence all we going to let that stay the the welcome back to going on the go and i'm still here. it would be twice us democrat presidential contender and full amount of cleveland, ohio dentist. because image dennis, i got you up for them to buy one about the ukraine. what did you make of a, lloyd austin, this re fi on contract. and now in charge of your pentagon threatening it'd be, is send that as children to if i didn't to allow more money being sent. took care of. i mean that's because tucker carlson, but did he put it that way? he was threatening congress when your uncles cousins and sons to fight rusher. if you create a just not a proven junk cub. he,

these votes was nice. he said american blood will be the cost of not sending more us public when it is a landscape so. so there people are, okay, when you create and shedding their blood and the american people will never stand for a draft to go and fight in ukraine against russia. and, and this also was a nation. so you know, what was the name? i mean, so let's give is that in washington this week? what, what is lloyd austin to hear about american blood? and john, good luck. um, you know, don't do anything. they can to try to get more money just to say anything i want to keep to. we're going to attempt this for as over. i mean, russ is want, the only question is, what does the terms of the settlement and, and what happens to zone landscape. i would say that the united states made a strategic mistake in

a colossal mistake. and in, in designing to over throw in the over through, over rush of ukrainian government and then designing to turn that into the overs or all the russian government. it was sheriff wiley and the people who charted that course should never be near decision making. how have you tried on behalf of the united states? it has been a triple county disaster. and for you granted people a heartbreaking, a hundreds of thousands of depths of the, of the life blood of the nation. and for russia and the people and then eskimo hans, the continuation of the violence that there were trying to get out of that. russia, by virtue of its constitution, was compelled to defend those provinces. united states understood that we proceed

in any way to find a war of thinking that there be some kind of attrition, as indeed that the sanctions would undermine russia. they didn't do that, thinking that the disruption in energy supplies were russia. and that didn't happen . thinking that they were russia's army town, that didn't happen very well, be predicted, ready to be joining. and so this, i want to go back to what i started to say. america's international policy is totally flawed. we're creating an image. instead of working to create trach, we, we are, and every time we go to create an image by design it engines disaster. not only for the people in the, in the countries that engage in conflict, but for the american people as well as the us taxpayers who since $911.00 have just out see 4 trillions of dollars. i mean, it's

a disgrace that the average american family of 4 is paying close to a $100000.00 for all these wars. i mean, it's, it, have we not been dedicated to war and that we've been dedicated to the lives of our own people improving their lives. so we could become the land of alkahottie here. but now there's people who cannot exist unless they're propelled like war. and i seen it, it is uh or if it is evil and it and it needs to stop. but it's about the policy itself. and mr. bryan became an instrument of it is, predecessors were instruments of it. and this is the way american foreign policy works right now. but the less the changes, we're going to be looking at original war. and it could trigger walworth, right? there's a limit to how much other nations in the middle east are going to tolerate the

destruction of the culture and the end, the buildings, and the, the society and gaza. and in westbank, there's a limit to how much russia and other nations are going to take an incursion by the us into their internal affairs. every nation ought to be able to handle its own affairs without interference from any other nation. and you know, wherever, after no living like lives or other people in the state to bomb and to think no bring it on, we can be russia and china and venezuela and iran all at the same time while bombing, syria. i mean, deb vladimir putin was here in the way as comp 28 was uh, wrapping up the environmental climate change. it is. um it went by and was in the middle east last the president of egypt wouldn't even meet him for the king of jordan. and it, do the american people know about how the reputation of the united states has

changed in the past 12 months? no, i don't think so. i think that um you know like people and many nations, i mean, you know, the american people are good paid for. i was added to represent them in the united states congress for 16 years and added to run for president joyce on our behalf. they're essentially peace loving. their government isn't just about our government . and the people all trust government, the trust government is going to do the right day. instead, the time after time, always in march of, out from, from the vietnam on, you know, more recently, or rec, libya, ukraine. you guys at west bank and you know, how many times can you be wrong? i still have quite a bit already. but as far as the property, the united states, the, those who are responsible to grace disasters are given the most credibility. and

it's a theater, personal personified. when it comes to international policy, the irony of the reluctance, the more you screw up, the higher you because you know, you go and, and us the policy make. it is the peter grizzle purse, or principles of personified. the irony of the reluctance on the hill in the house and in the senate to go through with more caches or landscape account and more a weapon retail children in gaza is the davis about the southern border problem to the politicians. the realize that they're going to be more refugees created by what's happening in the middle east and what's happening in ukraine, that may, will end up on your southern border as did ask ends of to the us as defeat the every, every word rich refugees is mind blowing when you think about guys already

and percent of the people been displaced. and then it was, they told me to go in another place and then they get to attack their but talk about the southern border. i mean, you have to have borders to have a country. patient's axiomatic. and the binary registration has just over at the board. the board has the board has a porsche now, and anybody can come in as a problem and we're creating more refugees. our boarders open and there is no way that's going to be worked out well for us and for the big cities that are already trying to provide service for the hundreds of thousands of refugees that have been moving, particularly in the north part of the us. i yeah, i, i share from my country and i, i, i, i am concerned that the people who are running it are graven or stupid and are

correct. and i, and this orders disaster from my knowledge, which i loved. and which i, i defended as a member of congress in every ways that i could write, i have to tell you, we must change our position in the world. we should have been reaching out to russia. we just have been reaching out to china. we should be reaching out to olive branch, got a nation, but we didn't do that. and as a result, that will affect america's economy. it will affect the dollar. it will affect the last tested in our economy. it will result in america's role in the world. been drastically altered not withstanding our military power, there's only a limited amount that you can put guns on the table and, and, and force people to make decisions. the us is losing whatever moral authority it

had left by continuing to fuel the uh, the attacks and the dash of the tower standing. again, i want to say because you know, every, every, every, every criticism of the orthodontic inevitably bridge back charges of anti semitism . we must we must proceed with respect for each other. and we must, you know, i, i support the existence of the state of israel. i do not support the d. i antics ation that is underway. i do not support that. the ethnic cleansing and genocide has taken place. i yeah, no matter how you dress it up, let's get real. that's exactly what's happening and the united states is gonna push it in that. no it to you. if you give somebody guns to commit a crime,

you get charged in, in state courts and this guy and in america, were given the got it to, to israel. and you know, you can sample change swift. so the, mr. now yeah, that's a stop. it's like, here's, here's a load of weapons do whatever, you know, do whatever you want. well, i mean, what is mr. right? and thank you, sir with that. and then yeah, who's going to do with those weapons? we must stop this. it is not just about a ceasefire. we have to cease war. we have to cease war as an instrument of policy . we have to end for once and for all 4. well, and us and, and it's, it's, it's mind blowing that in the 20, in the 21st century, we're still dealing with these questions about, you know,

about war and justifying it. it's just just finally then uh dennis um and i should say the arab league one to the knobs and ball go on on israel. which of course with the stuff the weapons and british weapons to just find the very briefly in the run up to the 2024 election. i mean katie trump is leading in the iowa caucuses. do you think the bible would serious the countenance an idea of a halt? well, with a run, a using the gaza situation as a pretext. oh i'm sure there are people out there right now they're gone or was around. i know that they don't know anything about around garage in the band society. a skilled in engineering and technology and retreating is like, it's, you know, some sort of world country. my concern is that this uh uh, drum the, this, the phrase thinking about continuing war is

a se ignite oregon's around it'll, it'll go global, and it will dramatically change our lives here in this country. we should be working with around to settle any differences that exist and as far as the presidential election, 24242024. i thank you. i think that john, who's your mr bridles conduct of the, of various wars including ukraine and what's happening in, in gaza. a wizard undermine his presidency, is gonna make it very difficult for him to get re elected. at this point, i'm not making a prediction, but donald trump appears to be in a very straightforward position to return to the white house. not so much based on, on his merits,

which people can debate. but based on the file age of the democratic party on weaponized in prosecution on continuing to uh uh to make trump and issue everywhere. the way that you defeat drop is ignore and you know what that ship is sailed years ago. that is considered our task. is that a thank you. thank you. sacha for the show, continued condolences to those surviving the killing and gaza will be back on monday with little guys of coverage when we get a saudi arabia perspective on the legislative nation and all that goes until then you can keep in touch by all our social media if it's not sense and then your country and then to a channel going on, going to feel normal, don't come to us and you and all the episodes of going underground. so monday the

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