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a conflict against the us. government's power is much greater than what it has shown so far. to monies up the top of the next hour, who are nonsense, national i do hope that you can join us then in the meantime, for more little stories we've covered and many more will do header. but honestly, the was a blowing is something that is probably more complicated than it seems. i would venture to say that most of us would like to believe that we would blow the whistle on waste, fraud, abuse or illegality. if put in the position to do so, we were all probably raised to tell the truth and to do the right thing. and i would say further that most of us would blow the whistle if the issue were the

protection of our children and babies. why then did it take one special woman to do just that? she's our next guest. i'm john carry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 yes, mean will charge me is a food safety inspector, and a noted whistleblower. she studied chemistry and biology at the club. bernard university in the on france and food industry techniques at the university of mount ph before doing her ph. d. work in food technology at the university of law and she then worked as a research assistant at that same university in 1990. yes, main joining the world health organization in geneva, where she became a scientific expert and director of food security and food aid. beginning in the

year 2000, she served as corporate food safety manager and assistant vice president, responsible for food safety at the food giant. nestle for qualification is, were impeccable in 2003, following a complaint from parents. yes, mean, proposed that the company withdraw from the market, baby biscuits being manufactured by nestle and beginning in 2006, she called for an audit on the toxicity of baby products in 2009, a large scale food poisoning, incident defect and 300000 babies in china, 13 of whom died. this was after eating nestle, baby biscuits, the director of the offending group at nestle was promoted and became yes means manager. he took away her responsibilities and relegated her to menial tasks. and in 2010, she was fired. in march 2011, she filed a complaint against nestle with a local court in switzerland for moral and psychological harassment. 9 years later,

in 2020, the court finally found that she had indeed been harassed and intimidated. that was in what it called. an insidious matter. yes, mean retards, rejoins us today. welcome to the show. yes. mean we're very happy to have you. thank you very much for your invitation. so pleasure. what a story. this is. yes. mean you tried for years to do the right thing for the most part, nobody would listen to you. and then when babies began dying, they fired. you tell us how this whole thing started. what was it that 1st made you think that nestle is baby biscuits were dangerous and could actually kill children as well. um, i have to say that my story has 3 periods uh, in the 1st 5 years. uh, i noticed a lot of dysfunctions and food safety management and uh, i tried to improve the situation. uh,

the problem started at one of those persons managers who are responsible for some of those negligence is. and that's the case of, for instance, maybe biscuits which i gave as an example, was promoted as my boss. and you started to retaliate against me. now the issue of the business goods, which i have given as an example of violations, but it's by far not the only case of dysfunction and violations that i experienced was that it basically, uh consumers were complaining that the babies were suffocating and their baby became a blue red, and they had to turn the child upside down to get the biscuits out of the church and the child was suffocating. so with these consumer complaints, of course, i asked that the project to be recalled or the day at the age of

consumption to be increased. but by doing it by protesting against this case, i was exposing and manager who was negligent and as was knowing that children, by suffocating for putting the projects on the market. and so in 2006, uh, that's the 2nd period of my life is mostly and he became the director of quality management in the head office where i was working as the head of food safety. and he became my boss. and he started to retaliate as part of retaliation. he started to you immediately. i so let me believe me, harris me. but not the only that. he, several times in my work, you prevented me from doing my job. and he gave also wrong instructions. course instructions,

and this was instructions led to some other programs. and during the 2nd period of my life was mostly i started to do blue to blue do wish so internally with the top management. and i did this for 4 years with the same temple as they were harrassing me. i was reporting dude stuff. measurement was, was going on. and the top management closed their eyes a just a note my reporting. instead they just pages and their supporters in my harassment and bullying. as i said, those are tells you that in switzerland, dismissal is very easy. just you have to get 3 months salary and you can dismiss and it was. so that's like what have dismissed me. they did a life my approach to food safety management, but they didn't, they decided to harris me to destroy me as this mentally distorted my

carrier discredit me practically. and then and again, when the rest of the incidents which was happening for which i had worn before, the management became more, i'm more guilty of negligence. so the harassment continued to increase and it's finished with the fake investigation into my harassment. they refused to orders for food safety, and i found is to be unacceptable that the, they refused to audit our operations for food safety. and i asked them to fire me and they did. this was the end of my 2nd period. that was up to 10 years. i was fired. i'm done to, to tell you it was when i started the lawsuit against mostly and this period

the last of 12 years. i was fighting this lead for 12 years in cost. and during this period, they also suited back a i had several quotes and it was a long a fight and includes. and finally this year in 2023, i want to, i guess mostly the core to come down. let's go for a for an intensive along horseman is just sort of my carrier. they also recognize that they made a fake investigation and they did not put off my recent blowing report and to the top management of mislead me is to see you, the corporate governance and the compliance manager in the old part of the scheme. rosemont, why do you think it was that the company did not pay attention to your warnings?

was it that they were more worried about the bottom line, where they're not safe guards in place to make sure that something like this didn't happen? what was it? well, and principal says there was on paper safeguard measures because yeah, the code of business conduct, which was stating that you should be a stop should be reporting anything wrong that they see. they were saying there's only 2 and this was a system which was set up after the engine case. so on paper we had the system, but the, uh, the system has use limitations. that means if i would report that some critics or stealing products, they would perhaps pull it up on my whistle blowing. but when someone is reporting and missed doing of a superior and talk manager was projected,

then they will not fall off even if the life of consumer is on stay. and i should also say there is, of course, the bottom line, but more important than the bottom line is their own bonus is their own bonus. because in 2005, that means a month, december 2005 and months before all my trouble starts. uh, my struggles 1000, january, 2006, misled talk management had link bonuses to products with roles. that means if you redraw products, you would get less bonus so. so this is what, this is what caused that to be had the major outbreak of food poisoning in china and 20085300000 babies. got intoxicated to be the middle of mind. you

should know that a year before mister, they had this similar incident united states by pet pets, was intoxicated with pets fluids, which was got them knew that this middle of my so nothing i knew that there was the risk of my landline contamination room at 2 in china, because in the pitts with incidents through the material was coming from china. so that's the new and i had issued an instruction that we should be monitoring a rule material for any emerging content and image the mind was. but they didn't used to do it as a result, a year later, they got to do another intoxication. this time it's incense formula in china with an s let's, let's put this this or it says formula with contaminated with mine. and they had to be through frontier market. they claimed that's the claim that the contamination

was not a high level to a point that was closed and certification on the if you did to investigation, to another company, send it to. but i have evidence of from internal there was a need to email it, which was saying that netscape projects, but also highly contaminated. so what's happening, huh? netscape height is going to immunization, i don't know because there was no profit investigation into those live products. at that time. i was already blowing the results for 3 years and that was really i'm doing so. and the year after this incident, we had another incident and united states where $77.00 people got to elevate to equal i 157 which is the killing the bacteria. and

again, i had been really into research for 3 years before this incident on 3 months before that i had been seeing the direct director of operation and asking a so again the for a node it of level relations. and he just diffuse just views and they never the less they made this fake investigation into my harassment. and they dismissed me right after that. yes, mean we hear a lot from people on this show that the atmosphere for whistle blowers in switzerland is difficult. we hear that many switch companies are not punished for violating the law even after the whistle. blowers revelations, what happened to nestle after you went public and did anything change once the court found in your favor all those years later? well, um 1st i answered the um, 2nd question. uh,

nothing changed weaknesses. uh the proof is that it does just last year. and this led to another incidents we to the where the same error as in the incident of equal united states in 2009 was repeated induced incident that miss solver what's going terminated. and they didn't do anything and they didn't even listen to employees who were in forging a lack of housing in the factory. and. and then this incident, which happened last year to the children, died on 53 orders, got severely ill, fast for life. you were speaking with, was the blower? yes. mean what charging me about her revelations, the baby biscuits manufactured by nestle resulted in the sickening of 300000 children and the depths of 13 of them in china. thank you. yes. mean, stay right there. we're going to take

a short break and when we come back we're going to talk about the current environment for whistle blowers in europe. see to the. 2 the the welcome back to the whistle blowers and john kerry onto were speaking with yes,

meeting with charging me about her whistle blowing in the food industry and the protection of children. good to have you with us. he has mean thanks again. thank you to. yes, mean, i'd like to ask you about your court case, which you filed in the swiss can ton of vote. the court condemned nestle group for failing to protect you when you made your revelations. one of the things that came up in the media when you won that case was that this was parliament had really done nothing, substantive to protect whistle blowers in the country. we hear the same thing about this with banking industry. what can you tell us about changes that may have been made to protect whistle blowers know, even though i have been reaching writing to alternatives time and again, they just ignore. and i would say, is it even worse? because as you know, there is a international labor organization has established

a convention against bullying and harassment was why those at work 229 is the only country who is refusing to rectify this convention. so they are differently not willing to protect, to wish of lawyers and worse. and this is rich salon. housman and bullying of the employees or was of numbers is totally right. that is allowed. i'm wondering too if nestle eventually addressed the problems that you revealed with your whistle blowing children died because of the toxicity in the baby biscuits. what changes did the company make after you blew the whistle? did they correct the situation? finally, and what happens with the families of the children? well, i but there is ever a story, as you know, there were the babies who suffocated with the biscuits. but because these babies

were 1st mode, 8 months old, the pounds were next to them could take out the biscuit, so they didn't die. this bit, these babies didn't die. and so basically the powers didn't to do much except uh, uh, accept, complaining to the company. on the other hand, there were some babies who died of choking the same problem, but to be done other products. and they some of them complain to quote when to quote in for us. and they also won their case, but the compensation that they received was very, very little. it was basically almost nothing $100000.00 if you buy them to a $100000.00. and that what you should notice is that it is, it was similar to run who died. and each time this leg didn't change,

i didn't learn any less than didn't change the product. so yeah, and they to another charge a year and they to another charge died. and each time they say no, we are okay. we have done nothing wrong is the fools of is this world of desire essentially. and this is the same as in china where they are putting products on the market engines formula on the market in violations of the 2 norm of china. when i reported the case to the court interested, then the reply of this today was that this is the fault of regulatory authorities that they didn't have to write the regulations. they have done nothing wrong to after nestle fired you wrongly, i might add and you filed your court case, you became something of a, of a media personality. how did that affect your ability to find work?

was the situation difficult for you? what did you end up having to do to put food on the table or to pay your bills? well, uh, so what i should tell you is that i was to, to the traumatize, actually too traumatized because, um, i was my, my wife was my passion. and i was really believing in my work and it was not only that this top management did nothing but my colleagues also kept silent and do shocks me tremendously. and i could not even hear any more towards food safety. i was, i was very and my ties, i'm depressed by this experience. i couldn't even think of working anywhere else because this news like this. how is it

a f as well? so that's was my feeling. but i never the less i had to apply for other jobs and i did, i tried to apply for jobs other. oh sorry, that's also that's myself. but there was something else which was happening. first of all and that's led blacklisted me. and they had also told me this is that you will never get any more job in this field. the 2nd thing, they had also motivate my uh, dismissal by decide that i had the difference of opinion with my bus. so of course, uh wherever i would go, there was a, okay, it, it, they would always thing that nestling doing it goes nestlings, the big into power for one company. so they're all right and perhaps my ideas are wrong. so with this statement, nobody would believe that i was confident i was doing my job properly.

so basically, i looked for a job for 4 years. i didn't get a new job. so for the 1st 2 years, i had an employment which helped me to survive. after that, i borrowed from my retirement of one news, i had save money for my retirement, and i live with that. the other, the minimum of the expenses that i could manage. i live with that a and i borrowed a little bit from my family. and that's it, so that's how i survive. i'm spending as little as i could. and using my retirement fund. yes. mean after your whistle blowing and court case, you were honored by many different organizations for what you had done. what work

are you doing now, and what advice would you give other whistle? blowers facing the same challenges that you faced? well, um, after that i was dismissed in order to approve do that. so i am confident and uh about is my vision and food safety because issue was actually i talking my credit ability. uh so i was and i published do similar books and that's a good idea. and in books on all food safety should be minor. so i basically put on my experience on the, in books. so for several years i just continued publish articles and sharing my experience with the world. whether if we 60 management or inverse of lowing or edit or in areas of justice or writing letters to or to reduce in order to raise

the awareness. so basically, or the last toes years of been been reduced, this work my books and i got award united states on my end security and my books are being republished right now. so this is the work which i did, plus, advising, other was of lowers. that means coaching other people in just the past. well, um my advice to um, reserve lowers, i usually listen to them and they evaluate the case to i rented it shows based on the situation that needs a regular visa blowing is the duty like it was mine. i was a gulf which was safety manager,

as was responsible to blow the whistle. i was responsible to report to the 1st thing i look is that are the responsible for rolling the resume or not like a, a, an auditor, a compliance manager. if we safety manager, they are responsible to be to do with the other the otherwise they may be liable. the 2nd i will look whether they have this family to run. and if they have the potential to find another job and how much debated they are to actually is this persecution that there was there. so they would have to go through. let's run where they're jo, supported by their families, which is their age watches the resources, county survive. if they don't find a job. so i will look at a number of criteria. and based on that, i will give them advice. what they should do,

reminding them that their 1st responsibilities towards their family and children to lower minds, not society's, not supporting present miller's. i'd like to thank our guest. yes. mean we're charging me for joining us today and for sharing her story. and i'd like to thank our viewers. this is a show about whistle blowing, but sometimes the issue of whistle blowing overlaps with something even more important. protecting our children, they are the most vulnerable of all of us. they should be loved and taken care of physically and mentally. they should not be subject to illness even death, just because adults don't want to do their jobs. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto. we'll see you next time the. 2 2 2 the

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