and since the late 19 ninety's since the orange revolution, and then ultimately with the 2014 over throw and the generation of this nazi genocide against the russians, which president clinton stepped in to stop. all right, that's all from me now. my colleague charlotte debate is kate will be in at the top of the uh to take you on the next round of latest 30, somewhere around the world by from me not the the,

the hello, i'm a noah chan. you are tuned in the modus operandi, in light of the unfolding tragedies in israel and gaza, the u. s. has shifted its attention away from your crate. but america isn't the only one. ukraine's own neighbors just months ago, pledging unwavering support now, souring on key as, as fresh elections proved, the prolonged war in europe isn't as popular as it was sold. all right, let's get into the m o, the,

from the former soviet bloc states to be far this reaching west of france. little by little european support for a continued war effort in ukraine appears to be waning. led by growing right meaning sentiments among voters dissatisfied with their economic situation at home are now forcing political a leads to reconsider spending tax payer funded military aid to ukraine. joining us to dig into this shift across europe. this is george sam welly. he is a writer and a senior fellow at the global policy institute in london. he's the author of the book, bombs for peace, nato's humanitarian war on yugoslavia. he also has a daily pod cast with peter lavelle called the gaggle. you can find them on locals, dot com. so 1st, george, before we get into the former soviet bloc countries,

i gotta address the 800 pound gorilla in the room. that is the u. s. who has been the biggest financial and military backer of ukraine. that guerrilla appears to have shifted at some gays, away from ukraine over now the israel, after the loss attack on civilians in israel, proper national security council spokesman john kirby had this to say about further funding in the near term with, with got a appropriations and authorities for both ukraine in, for israel, but you don't want to be trying to bake in long term support when you're at the end of the rope and the in ukraine on the grant funding. we're, we're coming near to the end of the rope. i mean, today we announced $200000000.00 and we'll keep that a going it as long as we can. but it's, it's, it's not going to be indefinite. so, are we moving with a sense of alacrity? absolutely. i couldn't give you a day certain on account. so what do you make of that comment and george has the us

of band and cab. i really don't think so. um. i think he's referring to the impasse that has it, but you being a chief the in the house of representatives. there is a lot of opposition among um, republican congressman to any more assistance to ukraine. and so basically the, by the ministrations of the moment, having real difficult is moving any kind of appropriation for ukraine. now, means that that's on top of the preoccupation with the mit lease, obviously has put your grain on the backbone up. however, there's a majority in both the house and the senate to go on funding ukraine. there's other majority along the republican conference, but overall as, as the democrats are unanimous behind ukraine,

and the republican senators are buying large with the, with the exception of like rampal, our j d. vans that, again, in, in favor of a sending more money to ukraine. so i think they are going to come up with the money. i mean the, the, the, the numbers of the support is there. but at the moment there is this impasse, there isn't a house speaker. and uh and, and nobody really knows what's going to happen in the least. i mean, who knows this, this is good. explode, uh, american uh, involvement, uh, could escalate. um, but my feeling is that ukraine is such a good gig for so many. uh well see you well connected individuals in the united states, you know, obviously the um contract is the military industrial complex, the thing thing. so the funded by the military industrial complex. uh the uh, finance is being bankrolled by the us government extensive,

are they going to be rebuilding ukraine? there's a lot of monetary financial interest tied up with ukraine. i don't think they just go to let it go and say, oh, i'll forget it. let's go on to something else. so i think give for the time. be. yeah, i think that the there's no, there's no money for ukraine, but i think, you know, within a few weeks there will be money. slovakia recently held parliamentary elections that found the former pm robert feet goes populous, left party, the smart as, as the winning and forming a coalition government rather quickly. their platform pledge to hold oh, military aid to ukraine, but they denied being pro russian. meanwhile, fetal has been known to refer to the russian foreign minister survey labrons as a dear friend. are these mixed signals coming from brought us lava,

or do you think this accurately reflects the sentiments of the slovak in citizens? and i think it does reflect the silver i guess, citizens i think um what the, the, the election showed um that is the law care and in many european countries. um, standard of living is going down. inflation is uh, on the rise um of the, the, there is a continuing search of migrants with governments not really able to cope with, with this uh, this flow of a migrant. um and people are really getting tired of this was because the war is impoverishing. europeans, uh and then ultimately the slovak is like the hung ariens are asking, well, what are we getting out of this? uh, so leave aside the question of,

of the danger of the escalation. and the danger of them getting involved in this serious shooting war with russia. the vote isn't just wondering what exactly are we getting out of this war and i think a fico, clearly wrote, you know, spoke to this consent much as victo or bonded but urban did that from the beginning . um, and i think that the, the politicians, the leading politicians of europe like, you know, mac crown or chancellor shows. and of course, you know, the, the, the hit queen who stuff on their line. um, they, they preoccupied with ukraine, but they won't be able to explain in any way to the peoples of europe. what's, what's that for them? why? why exactly. is this great commitment being made up for ukraine?

what, what, what, what are the stakes a, why, why is it that we, that you were being, as need to be fighting this war against russia in russia's back? yeah. you know how, how is anyone in your a benefit thing from it? so that's why fi eco says that we're not, we're not particularly well disposed towards russia when a particular friends with russia that's old, isn't it? the media, which spinet as oh, he's pro russian. they say the same thing about or about his progress from just complete nonsense 999. the fee to know or by is pro russian. they represent the people in the and they just simply say, this war makes very little sense. um, you know, particularly if we hook steadily becoming poor, poor a standard of living is going down and then there's a when another winter's coming up could be a cold

a winter last winter was mile. it's gonna be a quick cold winter. um wesley. uh, the feel good to come from the other were ready. this is a triggering installation and other countries it's getting hotter and hotter to justify this. uh, ukraine. uh, cape, uh and uh, and i think that explains um a fee goes victory. that was speaking of the hon, gary and prime minister victor or bon, he has, as some might describe it, gone against the nato grain in the way of ukraine support. i mean, not to mention within his own borders, promoting a very, socially conservative, you know christian values type of rhetoric, especially after us a id boss. samantha power made an unannounced visit to the country. oregon has been strongly against the promotion of alternative lifestyles, if you will. so this doesn't really a line with us and jan does for democracies. he's been criticized for not being

strong enough against windermere, put in as well. despite being an e. u. a. nato member state, oregon doesn't appear to be on the same boat as the others. does this in effect put hungry back within the russian sphere of influence? no, it really doesn't. um, hunger is a position is that, you know, wow. in that kind of pro forma way, it supports the e u policy toward russia on ukraine. so sanctions didn't, biological hungry. suppose the sanctions policy of obviously condemning russia. so um, at the same time, hunger is one. 0, you wait, we're going to have cutouts for ourselves. you know, we, we need oil, we need gas. we need to rush incorporation on the nuclear box. and we're going to go on signing agreements with russia. and you know, this,

we're just going to assign them in other agreement just the other day. so, and that's the, is, you know, the position of, or by then a, c, r. so his foreign minister is that we will do whatever we need to do in favor of fund gary and national interest. that's, that's our job. you know, we were elected to work on behalf of hungary and we're going to do it. and now where we can agree with the, the you will agree with the you, but always eyes on what's in home. there is interest. now that is combined with or bonds position which is of this rule, but makes no sense. um, for the obvious reason, they said this many times ukraine cannot win this war, russian will not lose. this was no way to rush or just simply accept the fees. so

therefore, what is the logical a step that your of needs to take, which is do bring this war to an end to uh, essentially demand an immediate cease fire medium um is this and that's it. and uh, but uh, your best 2 week uh, to do anything like that. united states calls the shots. so bands view is nothing, nothing much is going to happen until there's a change of government in the united states. and, and oregon is explicit about this. donald trump or dunce about because they says basically when trump for its audience piece will be possible in ukraine and to him basically just a big book immediately just a ceasefire. you know, don't, don't do anything just just, you know, bring, bring it to an end. so, and he's obviously, um, booking the trends within nato. but plato's problem with oregon much as they find you absolutely detestable is that they don't know what to do with him because we're,

we're just kicking him out because hunger is of life to be. so real estate and he's right there in central europe, you cannot just simply lose hungry and keep nature going. so you knows that he, you know, he could make all these states as he can. and the a z z you nato, and you're talking about samantha, possible, obviously just upset the lows and lowes, they live. they sort of feed this philosophy. as you said, the social conservatism is essentially and i don't know whether you called at the anti america there's about certainly um, and the democratic party is, and i mean, i think that he ate the america of the good, the current democratic party. they would like to get him out. so they thought they had a shot in the election last year. he won by a landslide. so things together,

they realized that were bound as one full land slides and hungry. there's no one really to challenge him. he's still a young man, so i know they think they're gonna have to live with a or band sometime. yeah. or bought isn't going anywhere. i mean, much in the same way that turkey is or one isn't moving either. so the political class just has to figure out how to work with them. all right, coming up next. europe swing to the right from italy as georgia, maloney to germany's rising a of the party. and we'll discuss it when we return with doors. and when we sit tight, famel will be right back the the

there's no end and stride over how you're going to continue to destroy the error is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world will receive re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to work. so let me, let me on my have very quick propaganda. you know a price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask a better. the answer is will be the welcome back to the m. o. m. l, a chance all across your to the dismay of the you was recent elections at the local

level. there are proving the populace right. victorious. is that an indicator that europeans are increasingly wrong? tired of american lectures ongoing woke, the george said, well, you thank you so much for sticking around with us. so let's talk more about the shift to the right. it's not a trend happening only in eastern european or central european states. i mean, if we look at austria, a similar shift in sentiment there, germany's a f d party gaining a lot of momentum. and of course, in france, america's oldest ally marine la penn. after losing a couple national elections, you know, instead of fading off into obscurity like the others, she's actually gaining in popularity. how do you read this move toward the populace? right. and what's that mean for ukraine and, and is this a projection of something, george? i mean, what is that something was very good question. i think it is

a rejection of globalism. it is a rejection of liberalism, but liberalism and in terms of his social values, liberalism, it's sort of back us, um, notion that there, there are no nations. there are no people's and you know, there's just, it was a place you sit anywhere and then you just plug in the on the internet and it doesn't matter who you are, where you are. um they, uh, the ocean, there's a sort of a, a rich comfortable lead that is constantly getting well. so you know, that this price is off the crisis people up becoming impoverished. but this'll lead is continually getting welfare and welfare and aggregating more and more power to itself. so, you know, everyone's so what happens during cove is when again, you know, the wealthy, don't even wealthy and much, much welfare and tall. uh,

who used to governments as a manufactured, a crisis generated hysteria. and this actually, you know, done europe into a kind of a version of china and, or communist china. and i wrote a lot of people being locked into their homes. i mean, it was like, it was a clearly, a, a, a deliberate project. the german foreign minister annalynne a bare bach of the greens. she has been an artist and vocal supporter of ukraine, staunchly anti russian. many say she's even over run the the actual chancellor, olaf schultz, and his s p. d. party of the same party of ongoing local. but recent local elections in germany have found all other major parties on their back foot with the rise of a f d. if the is pulling nationally between 19 and 23 percent, well above any of the other parties, the s p d that f d p and certainly the greens they currently make up the existing coalition

government there. this couldn't really shake the balance of power in germany in the next general elections. your thoughts on this, i mean germany on the national level. well, that's very interesting because um they all of the political bodies, all of their respectable establishment bought as a christian democrats. the social democrats, the greens, the ftp, they've all said no, absolutely. and we will never cooperate with the a if the nope, no co operation irrespective of how well they do, we simply will not operate. well, if you go down that path, then that just into the a of the, um, will continue to grow in strength. and uh and, and then you have, people will become more and more resentful that your just essentially blocking out from power the very sizable move. i mean, the idea, you know, let's say 23 percent. let's say it goes up to 25 percent. so it's actually 25 percent of the german electric would just be, you know,

but just we just don't going to pay any attention to the desires that's on a risk that the, for a successful stage craft. and in particular, given german economic decline and john is um, you know, in recession um the, the, the basis of german economics, frank is the big trucks. one that was uh, that was a cheap source of energy. they were getting this a cheap energy from rush or that was in the that i work so well for germany. now they're not getting any of that. um the, the, with the north stream, you know, nothing that isn't uh, slowing anymore. and then schultz was humiliated by the destruction of this gas pipeline. so in either your great ally, the united states blew it up, which doesn't say much for you is the if the americans can just blow up your own source of energy. well, you know,

as the americans and the german government's claim it was the ukrainians who did well, it doesn't say much, we'll great how i ukraine. either way you look ridiculous is a stupid and your economy is thinking, you know, this is, you know, this is what germany's famous for his great big sports industry is only gets cause is pharmaceuticals. it's chemicals that some of it's consumer products and then they, they get german goods renown throughout the world for their quantity. if that's gone well, what else is germany have? and so i think that to insist in those circumstances. well, we're just going to continue to hold onto power. you know, we, you know, establishment boxes and we're going to keep out of the, the, into local, the, a of the, that's the rest of people success. i mean, you can keep somebody out if you're doing a good job, you know, for these. so,

you know, the german economy is uh, thriving, but if german economies, the time came and the germans were like these bavarian, i got to thinking, hey, well, what's happened to a successful, prosperous livestock? i mean then, you know it's, it's disappearing. they're not going to take kindly to that. so um, i think that program are just simply blocking a of the from power. i think it's due to say the a and the that doesn't mean that they're not going to go down that box. but it's, it's one that's gonna lead eventually to a very serious political crisis in germany. now let's head down to romania. president zelinski was actually denied the opportunity to speak before that countries parliament. he got the same rejection treatment by kevin mccarthy. some months ago when he asked to speak before the us congress. now up until this point, romania has been happy to follow along the anti rush pro ukraine sentiment. but is romania also souring on ukraine? because if pulling romania sour on ukraine,

that's really bad news for kids. their countries share the largest borders with ukraine and, and was mentioning the historical and territorial claims to current de ukrainian territory. what do you make of all of that? yeah, no question. um romania like hunger a. um and uh, unlike phone and of course uh, last x ray um, after world war 2 to you crate and i mean it was basically like a little over hungry romanian poland had directory sliced off and added to what was in the soviet union. but then basically it was inherited by ukraine and of course, or uh, romanian some living in the ukraine. um so but again i think it, it is a case of the public in romania as is the lock it as an under is salary

. um, you know that they, they don't see any real a conclusion to this war and they getting it. so it's getting tiresome. the whole zalinski stick with a, with his wearing those ridiculous fatigues. i mean, the guys, on the middle trip us, i was wearing these military fatigues, i arriving, but essentially as a kind of a begging bowl. i mean, you know, you know, i want to give me more. i need more. um, so the uh, the, the, i think the, the remaining as far as it relates is quite concerned about getting sucked into this war against. it's in the neighborhood just like it was like, is right in the neighborhood. and so if this war continues to escalate it who gets sucked in, you know, you could be in the line of fire and, and i think that they really are not happy with it. i mean, you know, in west lake about eastern europe, there are community, the,

those ethiopians or apps or the dimensions. i mean, they, you know, they, they, they look the baltic states, you know, they like for every day they wake up and saying, you know, how can i then tagging eyes the russians even more today what, what can i do? you know what, what um, what stacked use can i take down, you know, what, what the red army symmetry is, can i dislike rate, you know, just just do it and the way the russians all the more. um, so you know that that's, that's the way they, they, they operate and then they say, oh, we're really afraid to rush. right. you know, so you know, the so afraid that we're going out of our way to entangle nice them and every moment so that they use. so you have those a safe but you also have, you know, like romania like hungry and so like, yeah, they don't see that way. they don't, they don't receive the interest. i dine up with continually untangled, lising rochelle, every young in the may not like russia very much of a not know that like the up there much, but they don't see any reason to be continually antagonizing them. so that's why i

think, but some uh, zaleski hasn't realized that there's a moment in which you know, he is outside is welcome and i think that's i think they put what happens in romania, george them. well a thank you for that always of fun chat. george is a writer and senior fellow at the global policy institute in london, author of the book called bombs for peace nato's humanitarian war on yugoslavia. and make sure you check out his daily podcast with peter labelle, called the gaggle. find the one locals dot com, all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila. chad. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m o, the

they will have chevy. image shows, the patient unix, begonia fit the willingness, the couple of those. appreciate what are you doing your dose, but then you would just give them a one shot to the left of selling. so got you so so, so that's where you and them via them step is just the fluid. so in your components, the able to answer the phone is a visual of the yeah, i do have to make sure that people come down. yeah, i'm literally so frustrated with as much. it's gonna get to play the show you a different, a level may assist you more when you do it and gets insurance and which the technology you can throwing up at the. let's just sponsor, it's just me just go out. i don't like for you to go or you, you don't wish to just go in and put in

the see it is done with this or fix it on this was was if the control so sort of all the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power type vision with no real opinions pictures designed to simplify. it will confuse really once a better wills and is it just as a chosen few fractured images present? it is. but can you see through their illusion going underground?

can the audience story to you and shelter and i'm into and that you would in southern go about getting at least 6 civilians, including the trials we pay for with this one strikes the single person, the old, that oriented there are those with that. why sure looks this one. sure what the dice immune to sophie own played is really as trying to oppose if you're still going to palestinians in a residential area to make it through paris, condemn as well over the killing of a french government worker who is in a private residence during and all idea of the tackle does that.