a lot of egyptians are looking to see seats of full men, military commander, to bring security and stability to the country. and they said that no civilian can guarantee a stability in this coming phase. and they looking to him to ensure that the conflicting doesn't, doesn't spill over into addiction territory. that we heard from my political science professor at one university in egypt. he says, the nation voted for present l. c. c, because he's established secuity in the country. this is actually the mandate from egyptians to uh, president cc. uh, to address the chronic uh, uh, nomic and political problems. egypt to sell them to buy it to the boys, to expose this from the notes the south. east and west. yeah, the east wrote it even better. you should uh ccs this from

a few. uh that go to the uh, muslim brotherhood and uh, i can step on uh the country and 16 at the corner of the development present cc said he's going to uh, in the next should uh, in office with give a lot of attention to democracy, to development of democracy in the country. in the past, the web phase, the board. now the country is, is maybe, is cute. instead like now it's it, we have the live stage which is improving to be a democracy with the slow. but most of this is out, as always, is great to have your company with us here all to do. take out a website, i'll show you the problem and we'll be back this up without the

i'm action or times and welcome back to going underground will cause to go around the world from dubai and the to the middle east. us defense secretary lloyd austin and scheduled to be in israel today just for a week off the washington veto to you a dropped in the security council resolution of the you and calling for an immediate cease fire and gaza with us tens of thousands. the majority of them women and children will have been killed by the time you're watching this with british american and you nation weapons. joining me now from re add in saudi arabia's documents where i'm is okay. i can, i can roger. thank you so much. sure. no problem is okay, you have coming on. so whether this rates you on contract depends. again,

both lawyers do these in israel to meet and you know, and give him a weapons on not why do you think that, and you know, told as a top can asset panel, that saudi arabia in the u a was going to pay for all the destruction that we're seeing on social media and hopefully, you know, we can bring the lives back that i lost every every hour. but what does he mean the saudi arabia in the you a going to pay for it all. and well, 1st of all, thank you very much for having me. i'm happy to be with you as we are going to go down the path of asking uh, this sort of questions we perhaps should go for 2 years back in history and question all the full statements, which is part of the media strategy of success a is really a government, i think one needs to have a not just the grain of salt, but perhaps uh, 3 kilograms of salt. whenever there is an official statements coming out of any is

really government. it's established in terms of research, as well as uh, what we have seen in the past few decades. the data is really government's not just the nothing. yeah. who's as rated government use a certain tactics, one of which is such false media statements. and i suppose if there's one glimmer of light to me, it's the genocide it has been. the whole world is now on the same side as the arab league. even canada and britain and stain would one believe but, but will relations change between saudi arabia and the countries that are harming the janice, britain and the are being union is still supplying the weapons, killing those children that we see. every how. how do i went into effect relations between the, our world and the west and european countries in the united states as well. uh,

1st of all, uh we have to, uh, look at the weight off of, uh, i think uh on the part to be, uh, arab islamic ministerial committee under saudi arabian leadership. they are trying to use their relationship with those uh, western european countries and western countries in general to the benefits of serving the way for word. i think it's much more we have to be realistic. i'm friends not take it as much more beneficial, pragmatic, practical to try to use our relationship with them in order to push things in a positive direction rather than strain the relationships which are already under a lot of pressure because of those positions you have, we would just have mentioned how much under pressure do you think? now i looked a lot, i would say a lot,

a few look. the 1st stop is that uh the saw the legs. uh, airbus, lubbock, uh, mysterious clemency. uh 12. it wasn't any western capital. it was china, uh this and itself is significant. and then just because china at the time was the president of the monthly president of the security council. but because of sending a symbolic message to all of our partners that you are a siding, you are on the wrong side of history. here you are on the wrong side of morality or values. what you preach on a daily basis to russia and other countries. you are on the wrong side of international law, international humanitarian law, and basic humanity. so uh, this in itself is symbolic. a, there are a tremendous pressure. so saudi arabia and other arab and islamic countries are using diplomatic tools in order to encourage and convince those partners. we

have some minor success, not grades, but nonetheless, it's something that's moved for words and the right. there's a direction, it's not enough. 9 we have to accept the reality. nonetheless, it is one small step and the right direction. and we have seen britson change a little bit, it's position friends as well. and we hope that the most significant position that has the us will see some positive development. or is it actually learn mosque and twitter we where we get our information from the roofing, pictures, and images more than they are? well, that is changing opinions in the nato countries. it is difficult at this point to draw reliable a trusted links of causality is between point a leading to point to

be nonetheless, we can say that ah, twitter or x and other uh, new social media platforms have a less than the negative impact of media. monopolies in the west, which do not reflect reality is but rather reflect certain political editorial positions that are far away from reality on the ground. they are siding with the aggressor, with the apartheid regime of israel with the atrocities. and the there is so much dr. inc editing of images coming out of palestine. and we are seeing a little bit of change in those main stream western media. partly although i cannot say with absolute certainty, a certainty. but partly because of breaking their monopolies. pulver narratives

over the stories. i'm sykes and good parts to use social media platforms. yeah, i mean western kind of a, in the united states, a huge numbers, a hearing just about palestine and according to deposed. and yet, so these minister investment uh, call you the filing reportedly said, saturday, israel normalization is still on the table. do you think it is on the table that um uh, we have to define what on the table and saudi arabian terms means uh on the table means a way uh for words for palestine. palestine is essential. and any step towards normalizing relations with israel. if normalisation with israel will help bring us closer to a credible back towards the city and state, then it, there's more than welcome. and i think although i do not represent any official

point of view, i'm not part of any of a shall, uh, conversations a or me things. but as a researcher, i think this is uh, the meaning of, on the table for saudi arabia. i don't know how the state department works cuz they appear in the state me the statement. i'm just gonna tell you that to think them saudi is connected to how mouse, which is a bizarre notion, but of the senate foreign relations committee, the by them deputies extra estate. nobody could. campbells of israel is still interested in normalizing with saudi despite october. the 7th, it's a strength shift, a conjunction of the phrases that, but clearly the united states is still interested in fostering this, or, of course, when 1st the full, the closest ally of how much is mr. nothing, you know, and his government. let's not forget that they both time us and the nothing yahoo extremist phonetic governments agree on the number of issues,

be of the peace process a, b, it's b as training, any peaceful, diplomatic solution, etc, etc. it was nothing yahoos, governments actually that's pressured, but the government in order to funnel money to how much through as really intelligence services is right, the airports, etc, etc. let's. this is an important element of context here. i asked 2 statements coming out of washington. we are used to different contradictory declarations. how much has a negative relationship with saudi arabia. it has been the case for almost 2 or 3 decades. let's go back to the turn of the century woodside. the rapier brokerage, a national unit t, a peaceful efforts between 5th and how much and mca,

under the patronage of the previous custodian with the, to all the most think i'm the la uh, i'm promised broke. what it's committed itself to do. i'm actually not respect. uh, it's a commitment in those meetings to the saudi arabian government. we have another negative incidents and b. and so in gears. so the notion to say, that's how you write best reports, how much effort and the 7th of october it's, it's just absurd. i think i didn't really, i mean i must was on the american side interior as well as i understand why on her ben consolidate notes and say, oh, hospital ship to, to gaza. and i mean, i suppose it would be during the, by the ministration not to blow it up, but to protect and, and to help perhaps those people who are wounded in pain in gaza

as there is no shortage. uh well 1st of course are there, i'd be a sense of hundreds of tons of humanitarian aids and medical supplies, medical personnel, uh medications, food, uh, clothing, uh, 10 some reports you know, the world health organizations and medications and getting through summer boards even said anesthetic is not coming through these ratings of taking it. i was gonna get to this point. there is no short will for number one. so there might be a sense ships, uh, air planes uh, by all means of transportation to hundreds of tons of humanitarian, a medical food and other supplies. number 2, there is no shortage of humanitarian aid. there is a shortage of access or a lot of access to be more accurate. israel is not allowing access of food. israel is actually committing a war crime, violating

a long list of international laws, international humanitarian laws, by using food uh, medical supplies. uh uh walter, um uh guys and other essential elements uh vital elements uh for the palestinian livelihood as a what then it wants to force them. it looks like uh, the ultimate goal of israel is to push everyone on the boat or of egypt. then create a dfcs to situation where its uh, forcefully displaced them into egypt. it seems like that this is the plan. they have been bombarding costs, but those would pretext of tunnels under ground. and that's been several weeks. but we haven't seen any glimpse of any evidence of such things. it seems like there, there is

a systematic effort to force phone palestinians to the egyptian borders as a 1st step towards displacing them forcibly into egypt. dr. i'm was okay. i'll stop you that more from the side of the academic and right draft of this right the the russian states never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best. most all sense of the, in the 6595 and speed. what else holes question about this? even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on rochester, d. s

r t spoke neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the tv service was for the question, did you say a request for chance? the plug it back to going on the ground. i'm still here with sadie academic and ready to go to mentor. i was okay. we were talking about salvation actually in the weapon izing a food and mentioned as a will crime is 90 percent according to the will to food programming cause i don't eat every day. what about then oil? i mean, it wasn't that long ago that the saudis were refusing blinking, so,

begging for increases in oil production just before comp to idea you can do by again the americans wanted it, but actually opec plus decreased production. this could oil be used in this case to save somehow the children of the guys at the moment. as we know, israel is buying oil on these markets. one could make it a bit of an expensive for all their war planes and jets funded by the united states to my to slaughter so many children. well, 1st of all, i do not think i disagree with the leak drawn between the production of oil and the killing. b is really upper tides regimes massacre and genocide of posting in children and men and women and the elderly. i don't think that there is a link between the 2 that's points. number one, points. number 2,

i saw the rape as a responsible energy producer and the energy global uh and the global energy markets and the global economy. if we go back to the year 2019, everybody was asking us all sorts of, of things related to reducing production, increasing production, etc, for their own goals. not necessarily. um, uh, for the benefits of, for everyone else. the us asked us to reduce production, then in 2020 to the uh, to increase production. then they asked us a few years later to reduce to increase production, etc, etc. so saudi arabia, as a responsible energy producer, our main responsibility is to help maintain energy markets, stability of trusting or playing with

a commitment not respecting our commitments, contracts, accept truck does not serve international economies, debility that's point to number 2 points. number 3, i question whether there will be a direct, meaningful impact. even if hypothetically we go down that path. our main clients are not in the west. our main clients as china, then japan been and the, there's south korea, then the list goes on. so i question whether the jeopardizing our relationship with the global south would help palestine if anything, is leveraging color relationship as we have seen in the recent weeks how the saudi arabian leadership of the era by this my mic world symbolized by the air assignment

serial committee how leveraging our relationship with those very same actors. how actually build an international momentum, calling for a cease fire, calling for upholding international law and putting pressure on the us and b, you're being a backers of this is ray, the apartheid genocide. so we will put those relations with china with india, with south africa, with lots in america. we will put them in jeopardy. and i would argue that as a consequence of jeopardizing those relations is re on will gain a much more comfortable position internationally to continue the genocide it's doing against the palestinians, not the country. so i think we should reconsider the argument for an oil and bar. okay. do which the response from nature nations is of course being to i

could be weaponized that propaganda media against gcc countries is saudi arabia and gcis. the countries, are they prepared for the onslaught that to presumably is to be expected? because often it's a role in marshalling global support for palestine that i doubted. international transformations as the international system level do not allow. uh for, let's say, uh, i need creased pressure from western countries as a consequence of saudi arabian leadership of those global south voices. and countries and supports of palestine. um saudi arabia, 1st of all uh from a theoretical standpoint as a middle sized power. 6 its a swing power and those uh, global transformations. uh, in simpler terms,

everyone needs to become friends with how the rape. yeah. and i highly doubt that they do have the means to put a increased pressure on saudi arabia as a payback for saudi arabian leadership of aero business line, the countries and global south country as well as the problem i've gotten into their own people's isn't that from corporate media or in western europe in the united states, not to go as to the rest of the world. a perhaps. so we have gone through much darker phases. you. oh, uh, we all remember uh the uh, fedex of mr. by did. where did that lead him? uh, finally, he ended up coming to did the uh, to meet with the saudi arabian leadership. uh, all those threats after surgery, they refused. uh, as a responsible, uh, energy, uh, global energy superpower refuse to what the noise oil. and succeeded in keeping coil away from politics. as much as we could uh by then pressing sanctions. if we

didn't join efforts against russia, where did that collect uh end up. so maybe it's more of a deer or directed towards local audiences than anything meaningful in the international arena. well, as regards human rights, real human rights, not those. uh, but who do the weaponized? i believe by day 2 nations. do you think britain, the united states and you nations will never be punished with their role in the gaza genocide? definitely in different ways and different time frameworks, i argue that the rise of china and the western monopolies, us monopolies, and economic zones of influence spheres of influence. uh, that was one of the consequences of the rise of china. the recent events and reza

and palestine. and the western moral authority, their whole discourse and their efforts, systematic effort to contain china is predicated at the level of the discourse on 2 things. one, the respect of the rules based international system. and now we are seeing them, the main aggressors, the main violators of the international, the roles based system uh, international law, international humanitarian law, double standards accept trucks of truck shielding is really war crimes uh, from any li, international legal consequence. and their whole discourse about human rights, democracy and their efforts to contain china has collapsed in palestine and the recent events. where are the human rights of fellow citizens of children,

the apartheid regime of israel's army, uh, captured a 9 year old child until come to a streets away from his family, from his uh, neighborhoods to interrogate him for a couple of hours. where are the human rights? western governments positions. this is a huge morally crisis for the west. and from that point of view, i think there will be due airable consequences for the west, for the u. k. for germany, for france and many other western countries. while as you know, the pictures of that job won't be leading the evening bulletins on news channels in, in western countries. alas, russia in china one disease water, of course, what was the significance then of you already mentioned china being important of

letting me opinions visit about to the u. a and to saudi arabia, amidst the ongoing cottage in garza as well. um, um, we very much appreciate the support uh of, of china, of many countries, uh, south africa, russia and many, many countries of less than america and africa, asia and, and the whole world. i think it is very significant to see the whole world uh, seeing what you know by a unified voice stop the carnage, stop the genocide and palestine. this carries a significant weight. but you know, the international criminal court, the head of is, i think, is being on the show. green guy is investigating palestinian crimes, i think, against his family and as a warrant out for vladimir push it as is it, is it not really taken seriously anymore? that west and the conception of human rights less than european uh,

uh its uh the balance of power. how it carries weight with those kinds of procedures. uh, if anyone should be, uh, try it for crimes against humanity. it is a long list of has really official military and civil politicians, uh, civil servants, etc. uh they have committed much, much more uh, grave violations and crimes against humanity. uh, but the uh, strategic weight of the west. a still there. it's still significant to be important and the balance of power, i'm fact balance of power has an impact direct on sometimes in direct, on international processes. one of which is the international criminal court court of justice. yeah, i mean, just, just finally, i mean, do you think you grain and now guys and over the bodies of counselors,

civilians in both countries, in both places, in palestine and in ukraine. the most people in the world is really here, given the responses from nato countries. uh, uh, that, uh, is uh, subjects to, uh, a much, uh, wider uh, debate. uh, in order to suppose a multi polarity. you need 2 things. one as opposition. and we certainly have opposition to the us who gemini unipolar world order. but at the same time, we need the 2nd element, which is uh, a relative, a quality of power. we are yet to see that relative quality of our i do not think that we have an even close uh, international power. uh that can uh, significantly challenge us had gemini and as

a consequence of the lack of this 2nd condition or element, i do not think that we are uh in front of the images. so from all tight puller world. but that is not at all to say that's we are still under our unipolar world, that's you. and the polarity is over as manifested by the challenge and the systematic opposition. the rise of middle size swing powers, the rise of the so called global south accept trucks of trump dot com is okay, thank you. a thank you sir. and that's it for the show. continued condolences to those of iving, the killing in gaza when we back with the brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch by role as social media results ends in your country and edward journal going underground, tito normal don't come to us and even old episodes of going undergrads. these type in the the

idea of so i picked a maternity ward in the southern dogs are kidding one child. i'm wounding several of those eyes. the death pole in the region has to pause 19000. we hear from witnesses and a full cup on, on. uh, we went up stairs from the maternity words very quickly. and so people screaming on the 2nd floor for 2 rooms worth it. what i saw was one person in peace and just another person was killed the injured or all children. i was the 110 right was okay . is this a lot of the using stuff they shouldn't as a weapon? no more getting to be able to gaza saturday academic.