me to imagine how we can force people from other countries to serve with weapons in their hands. given that, according to our constitution, german citizens are not obliged to do this against their will. it will not be the case that we force people to do compulsory military service or to serve against their will. it will be interesting to see what else kids will come up with and how long it will take before they realize that they're running out of options. time, money, weapons, and most importantly, ukrainian people to do all the sliding for them. and finally, cobit is bank with cases of buy mold and 50 percent globally in less than among spots. the fits all 2 rates has gone down. that's according to the world health organization. globally almost 850000 new cases where reports are due in the 28 day period from the 28th of november to 17th of december 2023. the number of new cases increased by 52 percent compared to the previous 28

day period. over $3000.00 deaths were reported during this period, which was a decrease of 8 percent compared to the previous $28.00 day period. we heard from the sun chief by guy who's the head of the net, from clinic in new delhi. and he says that the new coven mutation survey is concerned. but there's no reason to panic. this was never given because besides the original condition, which is continuously they don't visit so often it renews in off the origin of the be a 2.86, which was nicknamed us. but the concern is that this is perhaps one of the fittest new additions, and perhaps the most immune in me is it. so the vision escapes to him. there were no maxine immunity, all the next triple x and portable x including hybridity military and including the natural immunity. so the soul boards 3 is all having an actual community is now

being drunk because of what we're going as a new name brandy. so we have to be really careful. nobody does either, especially in the northern hemisphere and nick, the slightest traveler foster because of changing him with a date for temperatures pollution in many cities and the festive seasons. the christmas time is so we must be on god. i don't think the community had stuff we shouldn't, vaccines even in the initial and final division of it and like why it's not. it is absolutely women to have down to the work scenes which could have easily been shift to the less fortunate countries in africa or in salt pacific guidance. so we need to be that. so you, because there's, i don't think we need to spread panic, but we need to inform the public that mosques is a very good. why is the most effective often when the whistle blowers is coming up next to the episode on the hunts of biden laptops saga, and i'll be back with all the very latest world news in health. now thanks for watching the

the, this is a show about whistle blowers and what's the flow. and i say with some frequency, i hope you're not too tired of hearing it. that whistle blowing is the act of bringing to light any evidence of waste, fraud abuse illegality. or for us to the public health or public safety. that sounds simple, but it's actually not, for example, should motivation be considered. what is the revelation is made as part of the plan to ruin someone. politically. should investigative journalists be considered whistle blowers? there really aren't any easy answers to these questions, but we're going to try to get to the bottom of things. i'm john kerry. ok, welcome to the whistle blowers the

. 2 2 2 2 2 2 it's only because of whistle blowers that we know about. warrantless wire tapping of american citizens about the sea ice torture program about its archipelago and secret prisons. it's only because of whistle blowers that we know about swiss banks, violating international banking laws or tobacco companies working secretly to get children addicted to cigarettes or about the dangers of lead pipes used in municipal water systems. it's not unusual for governments or even from the main stream media to try to ruin the whistle blower rather than to attack the problem that the whistle blower has revealed. think as examples about the response to the initial revelations about the 100 biden laptop or about evidence that the american internal revenue service was targeting for tax investigations, conservative groups, and individuals who had criticize the government. we are very happy to be joined by

lionel. lionel is a media analyst, a substantive expert, and a controversial list. welcome to the show, were very glad to have you. thank you. i'm honored. oh, believe me, i've been looking forward to this for a long time. the honor is online line. will this be a slow week there? there are 2 major issues that i wanted to speak with you about. we can have some fun with them, of course, but at the end of the day are these. these are actually pretty serious issues. they are the 100 by the laptop and the iris, and i'm going to start with the 100 by the laptop. i received a printed copy of the laptop from garrett ziegler who now runs a non profit organization, but who used to work in the trump white house. he printed and published literally every page from the laptop. this is more than 700 pages in all, and honestly, most of it is just bad porn hundreds and hundreds of pictures of 100 by naked,

and usually naked with prostitutes. there are hundreds of pictures of him doing drugs, and there are hundreds of emails and text messages mostly with prostitutes. so 1st is the easy question. is the publication of the contents of the laptop whistle blowing? why or why not? this is, by the way, this is a great subject and i love this because i'm a lawyer by profession and i tend to nit picking pars and bring everything down. and it's ridiculous there, i guess you would call in and add them ization. first the story is that he left his laptop initially be a band and yes, everybody knows that if you, if you leave your dry cleaning, some place where you leave your car is something that's called almost like a. it's called a bellman in in law. and after a period of time,

you surrender any kind of title to it by virtue the fact that you a band and. okay john, here's the question. what did he a band to be a band in the laptop? he a band of the information. uh huh. say for example, you leave your wallet and i say i found a wallet, it was a money in it, and i do everything in my power. i let everybody know even 30 days to claim it. okay, great. i've got it. now. can i go online and i say to john kerry, oh this is where he lives. this is his driver's license number. this is this. hi. and here's this is now to wait a minute. can i claim that information? did i say? well, he left as well? yes. but what's in that i got is, is the information, is it a lot of wrong the way in delaware? there is a can commented case going on right now. the thing was a counter claim that he is showing for, for violation or, or reaching his privacy. and i really think he's spot on. so while i,

i know it's not a favorite pastime in this country to be of a defending a 100 button. i think she's got a point here because i'm not necessarily sure what it was that should be disseminated now. could i also go back to something that you said? what is a whistle blower? and you said that term. if you from isn't it sounds tried. it sounds slowly, it sounds like you're what am i on here? oh, you know, i'm sure you've heard of queen tom legislative. oh yeah we time is, um, i guess it's actually a longer term, but it means basically um in the name of the king and what it means is simply this . if you're at a, let's say, department of defense, and through the course of your work, you find out that the government has been waiting millions or billions of dollars. not only to encourage careful inspection on the part of conscientious citizens,

but to a to, to compensate you, you'll get a portion of the money that you've saved that you've exposed. and it's, there are law firms all over the country devoted to, qui, tops. oh yes, it is essential, the national good whistle blower everybody out of the pool and it's like, wait a minute, that's not what you're doing. thinking about this. every time anybody's ever done anything, whether it's ellsberg, i saw snowden, the name of anybody who's an f. b, i agent who's, who cracked the dillinger case? you're kind of a whistle blower again. but, but the, but the issue is that it seems sometimes to some people, it's nibbling. i think it's a hero status. but the question is, and this is what most people are asking is when does it become a problem? bad, i don't mean to over to keep talking,

but let's take julian to such join assigns. what do you like him or not as a journalist, that's right. and there's the united states supreme court case board, nikki, that says, yes, the civically, if you come into contact, you come into the possession of information that was stolen. and that was per learning. that was a, go get a garnered by a trespass. oral a staff. and you are given it, you can publish it ellsberg. oh, bird store, just about the rand corporation. did anybody go out to the new york times? washington post. no. but assigned you different snowden snow and different snowden work for a company. snowden basically said i will not turn things over. i will do. i will, not will so blown. can you do this? can you work for a company that says this, whatever you do, or anybody know what we do? no matter how horrible it is, i don't know the gray areas john are replete. the whole thing is great. i like gray

. i always say make america great again. there's no black and white, there's no apple dictate it's, it's all, i'm not sure. and that's what we should be discussing. well is, is motivation important here? when i, when i was polluted, was the one those, the i used towards the report. the 1st attorney i spoke to told me that motivation has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not a person has a whistleblower. do you agree with that? absolutely. it does not matter because what does that even mean? what does that mean? what if i, what if what i expose the most important news ever and i do it because i'm a crackpot. i hate the government because i'm a communist because i'm a capitalist because i'm a but coach harris. if i could give you 11 case by analogy, one of the problems that one of the things i have with hate crimes. why i hate hate, grimes, is that motivated?

sion of a crime is irrelevant. for example, if i go up but i, if i slap your hit your punch, you error like why is i intended to do this? so then if you take my my motivation, then you have a great the crime because i dare to other because by the way he is projected you're basically analyzing me for it, for my thoughts. so motivation is irrelevant. i'm sorry to say that it might be interesting later on in sentencing. it might, it might affect, for example, a damages awarded. maybe maybe you're not as, as a, as her role which, but information is information. what about this scenario? let's say a guy finds a laptop in his repair shop and it has a lot of dirt on it and he gives it to rudy giuliani, who then gives it to the right wing press. and then they turn it over to members of congress for investigation. and congress has hearings and people pound their chest,

so they make strong speeches. but then at the end of the day, no crimes are charged based on the information that was on the laptop. certainly, there are other charges in the case of 100 biden, but there's nothing from this laptop. what should we make of that? were there any whistle blowers in this whole scenario? great question. here's the here's, here's the issue that nobody ever talks about. what do you do when nobody brings charges? what do you do when marriage? garland, children don't want you to think about that. and what do you don't want to say? i'm not talking about some guy with a hooker in a, you know, at a crack pipe or something. i'm not sure if that's a crime or but, but, but in cases i think were the case could be made that perhaps maybe there were violations of farrah or maybe whatever. what do you do, john? when the government says we're not interested,

right. good luck. they always talk about the constitution always talks about the 1st of all, you know, a due process, you know, a search and seizure. well that's when you get you, there is no such thing as to be protected from the government who doesn't investigate. i mean, if you pick up the phone and say, oh officer it easy police, hello, is it the regular? hello? hello. and they keep hanging up on you. we don't know what that's called, but you would, you brought something up though. this is the bottom line is, this is this, is this not a legal answer? this is a reality. and what if i called up and said i went before court and i said i have right now a laptop. if somebody you would know who was involved and here's where a garter belt in a width and a gutter 9 day old, the doing drugs and even the ladies into fraud and you know, right, things you can even imagine, right? yes. do you want to know who it is? yes, i, you have to promise me 1st. what will you do about this? i'll tell you who it is, because they're telling you,

if it's joe biden or be somebody that we'd like, we don't want to hear about this. but it was somebody that we don't know if it's trump, we're in on this. me give an example, just said and test drives me not. there are people right now and i don't want to go to the right or wrong of this but certain things that are being said on college campuses that might involve anti semitism. oh okay. if i add, i'm telling you you hear college president say this is the 1st, this is the way i speak of the conference to either congress at the marketplace or free ideas or is it oh, i'm sorry. did i actually i didn't, i didn't know i meant racism. see they said this. oh, that's different. and that's the part that i hate. it's that that's different, right? because we believe we look forward to the moment under this notion of equal protection where we treat people fairly. this is, this is our thing, john, are we say we, we don't, we, we have this kind of like the sterile way of looking at a crime is a crime. is the crime victim is a victim. doesn't matter who's the president who's not, you know,

whistle blowing and in particular, the notion of this. but again, it's that name. i don't know why they call it that. it sounds went, it sounds all hit that lo hunter was the does, it does final forgive me. we're going to take a short break and we're going to come back in just a minute. when we come back, we're going to take a shot at the i r s actually let me correct myself. we. busy examine with an even hands the i r s and whistle blowing at the iris. so stay tuned. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the. 2 the the

welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we are speaking with media critic analyst and all around well informed guy lionel about with the blowing related to the 100 by the laptop, any internal revenue service line. oh thanks again for being with us. great to have you. thank you. thank you sir. little i blow the whistle on the sea ice torture program back in december of 2007 and then much to my surprise or not, the iris began auditing me. i had to hire an accountant and i had to hire

a tax attorney and is if that wasn't difficult enough for me to defend myself, i was audited again in 2008, 91011121314, and 15. it was an absolutely horrible and expensive experience, but this is all just the co incidence of course, right? no person in a position of, of power would actually use a governmental entity like the iris against the citizen. because of whistle blowing, or the revelation of protected speech, right? we don't do that. well, you know, it's funny. i, if it's amazing how the to just happened to coincide. it's interesting that at the time that you made use of a wait a minute called it just he watch just a 2nd. we have to make sure that our key witness surely up to snuff. that's right. but we're going to do this, this internal, this colonoscopy, which basically is what this is what the,

let me give you an analogy in the world of sexual harassment. and before the time of the h r department, we used to have employee member personnel number is 8. sure. there's this rules. everybody says that wait a minute. now listen, she filed a complaint, made sure you show nothing that looks or appears to be what tally a tory day notice, don't fire them. don't give them more work, less work, don't we don't want to be what tally atory. make sense that's been me except for you. right? it applies to one off is divided, but applies to one or 2 to an insurance, right. a beta agency in muncie, indiana doesn't apply to you. now, go ahead and try to explain that one. go ahead and try to say, hey, listen folks, this is what's gonna happen to you if you do this,

by the way, you know, when you have these whistle blowing, statutes and we, tom legislation, they don't tell you, are you sure you want to know this? hm. you know, i read about that. yes. and it also depends on who's acts is being gored into life . and then do you get into this? now let me be devil's advocate. what happens if you do something, john? not in your case, but somebody says, i am aware of something that the government is doing, but they say wait a minute if you would have revealed is by now this could compromise an ongoing of us. it does it everything that the potential ongoing investigation isn't that the drug and everything make the country look bad. that doesn't that the work, you know, could be seats. i going to tell you this and, and i'm sure, you know, there's my, i find people to know that when you say the government to try the washington. 7 county, there's a lot of the model number. oh my god, the government. mr. smith,

behind the government is some bureaucrat that's right behind that building and that building or agency you've never heard of and they don't care about you and your vision of the, of the government or whatever it is. but the people don't understand what this is. we're talking about people who are doing anything they, unless you find yourself in the position. and by the way, if you are not a like i is a lawyer, have been involved in people who have been theoretically involved in organizations of dinner. i say, a sicilian american background, right, where they have the purity to be no, you can do anything to them and then make the front page vinny, you know, villainy banana is whatever they love it. however, the government looks the other way when it goes to other mobs by chinese triad. other particular situations. that's true, a motorcycle up. do you know it isn't a something, huh m as 13 is still going around here to my, if you still have the,

the government never shut them down once. and one of the ways we can go into that. but the thing is, is that the government thinks that, or the people think that the government fair, that it's even that has pottery paso, that is equally a portion we go after crimes, irrespective of who you are and listen, there is the i r rush, but if somebody told me, listen, don't go to use the iris. ok. although after regulatory agencies, i will do. and if i can shut you down and ruin your life using co host of things that are dire risk. but if you're in a business, you're being regulated, you have some agency looking out for you, what i can make your life a living. hell. how do you prove retaliatory actress on the part of the government? and when and but, but they're just doing their job site, right. that's what they want us to believe. and actually that leads to my next question. i wanted to get your thoughts on what we're learning from. a handful of iris whistle blowers, not only is the iris used as a weapon against people,

it's used specifically at least recently against conservative sort. conservative activists, 3 different whistle blowers now have come out and have said that they were working on the 100 biden case, using information from the 100 by the laptop. and they were pushed off the investigation and dismissed by the mainstream media. why do you think they weren't taken seriously? because the main stream media are parasites locked in to, to this group of both their, their proxies or what you would call the shadow government. but i mean, i can go on and on the other very quickly, john, how many years ago when they had the, as the storage abuse cases bear with these, these guys who came in and said, all right, what would happen to them? right. what about the back of these actually came in and they ask them under of do you think uh nicotine is it they give? no, what do i happen to them? what do i have a these people,

they just go away. we just forget about them because we have our, me yeah, yes, that's the biggest problem. yes. exactly, right. here in the united states, we'd like to think that we have the best of everything. we have the best whistle blower protection laws, right. but that's just simply not true. so what do we, what do you think we need to do to better protect whistle blowers? wire whistleblower. we're still fighting this fight even after so many years. and i might add after passage of something i run a cli called the whistle blower protection act a. yeah, i right. well 1st when we got to get rid of this stupid name, we gotta get rid of this dumb name. and though they whistle blower, i don't even know what that means, but we have to re educate people and understand something. let me just say something very quickly. do you know that there is no, in most a recession, there is no duty for a citizen to pick up the phone and call the police and say somebody's break needed their neighbor's house, or that there's a fire. that's called ms. praise you and we're under federal law if you didn't

charge something, you can actually in some cases be held accountable. this i the shocks people. you mean to tell them you have some grandmother's being beaten within an inch of our lives? i don't have to call anybody, i don't have to do anything. miss prison should be the law of the land. you should be in not just a teacher who is a reporter who fails to account for a bureaus, but isn't it incumbent upon all of us to say if you see something, if you was a citizen for by and by the way to you for to the constitution not to the government. yes, i got to an administration that's right for to that. and i as a lawyer, swear to the constitution to follow the laws. that's what i, that's my field, that's my allegiance. we have to re educate these people. you're not a whistle blower, you're a policeman. we're in charge of this. you know, we're kind of like a militia we, we weren't here 1st before we gave people, badges and assignments. we, we can't add them to gauge our responsibility. and we have to start with educating

these people. that it was a blower. 0 join. massage. a hero. snowing is the here. oh yeah, right here of the people l neighbor when ellsberg died, like how does it apply? feels as a way to think of, well, what do you do? basically what he said, what did your body already know, but unlimited? hang out. i don't want to destroy history. well, listen, uh, what about what wouldn't bernstein? what are they? no, those are reporters. that was all blowers. well no, there's no, it's the same thing. get but it is still been day and we love those people. i mean didn't the so that's done. joe and joe up his stone. who was johnny, were ash county brasco was he? he was under cover. know he was it was a blow it always under cover. see yeah, yeah, you fix the whistleblower who came out of the dark, you know, look all right as a right up on a whistle blower. nobody's gonna, what's the name, but it's but, but john is called pure. got to do what you're doing and you,

i'm sure every little boy has spent the night. a main, i'd say, i think i was a thank getting here. all we have to do was keep my mouth shut. nobody cares then already been like me, i, i will and everything for my country and they won't even pay my legal bills. not saying i'm a pariah. so let's let the word go out. whistle blower. a k a smack because if you do it, you're going to roll the day. you're good because nobody's going to back you up. it's like going against the mob. it's like being a confidential reform and it's like the rack. oh yes, and i'm not in any way making that connection, but that's exactly what this is about. you are exactly right. and actually it would take us another hour just to talk about that. but i got time i have, i have laid in bed or i have lane in bed for many, many nights wondering what in the world that i do. so we'll, we'll leave it there the and comfortable line. all i want to thank you for joining us today. and for sharing your insights and thanks to our viewers for taking the

time to be with us, motivational speaker and author, tony gaskins, one said success comes to those who trust the process. stay committed and never give up. but that's true in part. but in part it's false. it's often the process. that's the problem. yes, stay committed. yes, never give up. but sometimes what you're not giving up is fighting the process. thanks for joining us. for another episode with the with the flowers. i'm john to reaku and we look forward to seeing you next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the

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