to leave on the elections, the fair and square elections that then not the story is not when these elections and the only way that they can try to, to, to over to the government, to change serbia. unfortunately the one to change or beyond looks pretty good. me is on freight is using force. you know? yes, there is lots of similarity between my done and ukraine and don't rate some days. but it's one big difference. president tortured is looked into which and our security system is not corrupt. we strongly support lots of presidents to support constitution in noise on serbia survey on how electrons from these selections. serbia choose

n. v will make sure that the uh, serbia won't. the respect when you this morning, defendant is not really is really favorites from the rest specially you know, serbia is in east island in the need to see and we want the stage. we want to preserve that for service. be 6. remember, need to meet the bottom compete. you know, how does feeling, how does look been your capital, was downtown to the capital was destroyed. us again. we don't want to do it at present, which is piece independent and present, which is a free man. only freeman can lead the free, free state and free nation and the service are free. and so present to disease where it is told me that i think that is something that that was vitally known and

respect on all the rest on the east. you know, serbia is what parts of it. so when you see the european union here can union is all life is kind of alliance of the territory that the government looks states, territories. serbia, is a government, serbia state. uh, you know, we have our own interest and we chose our friends enemies. choose us without without coverage. but in european union they don't know who their friends are with the enemy saw and what they enter saw, you know, serbia don't look like that. with a protest in belgrade, much like the might on who and key, and then you got the color revolutions the arab springs. if you remember, these will orchestra by western governments and western n g o's, whose job it is to focus on rest and encourage regime che, but of course,

the mainstream media tells you it's all about freedom and democracy. but you're not buying that anymore. all the details online, on the hello and welcome across the top, where all things are considered in peter roosevelt tomorrow to his change and violence were among the hallmarks of the year about and indeed the conflict in ukraine and the war on guys or shop the conscience on this edition of the program, we discuss who and what made the year memorable.

the discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess, george sent me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the gavel, which can be found on youtube and locals. and america, yes, we have martin, j e is an award winning journalist and commentator. our job in cross i rosa perfect . that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with georgia in budapest. it's a, it's a big endeavor to ask you both of you, you know, what made this year this year with so little time and so many things going on. so i'm just going to, you know, ask the impossible, george, what made this year the year it was as well it may just, many things may these. yeah. that he was, i mean, but it's, it's of the who has made the biggest impact. i think in a negative way,

i have to say present by the i think um he has failed massively. um and everything that he has uh tried um he goes into an election year with the styling li, lo poll numbers. are you spacing defeat is facing a party that um the test sim but doesn't know what the hell to do with him because unable to get rid of him. but above all, he's really responsive over to terrible was, i mean, you know, the pacifically, he tries to distance himself from the war in gaza when he, every, everybody in the world can see he's the enabler in chief of that war. and of course, is the, the, the ongoing war in ukraine and, and by now, it's really has seeped into the public conscience that this war was unnecessary. it could have ended, you know, uh,

18 months ago or could have been appointed altogether. the been avoided altogether, but full of bite and then and his team. so he really has to be one of the, was most catastrophic presidents in us history. i love george. you know, it's a, it's a competition. now. i mean, in our lifetime there's been a lot of very, very for weak, ineffective presidents and by new joins the ranks, aren't really into your, you're a different part of the world in george and i what, how do you see the, the whole or the what that makes up this year when most of the 1st time on a humble show, george some stove from my mother, often lamented when i followed your data smart, the easiest that i would have said, but maybe we can refine that. maybe we can hone that a tab. i think perhaps us for a policy has sunk to a new low,

but the institutions around it which on dependent also, i think people may well look back next year to this year. look at the bottom administration and how we can and effective and how, how much does did that. and then look at nate, so as well. and we will remember the nature summit in june of last year with the, the, the west basically put prevaricates it and shrugged his shoulders and said, well, you know, we're coming to agree on whether you want to go this way or that way. but we try to this really, really cool little committee. it was a new little guy for a friend, zelinski, you know, and then nothing really came. was that a tool and that delaying and that did the ring. i think because go to momentum to that, you know, and so the you spectacularly became just the spectator to conflicts which george touchstone, the also in the case of the you and enable are okay. 1st of july and she, you know, did the bear hug thing also the buying did we're in, in israel, which, you know,

family. so at the george here, i mean i was gonna ask you the democracy. deposition is growing and that was that's a perfect example of an elected official. assuming that you please assume such he has so much power if he speaks for hundreds of millions of people, which he does that george the, the exactly right it's, it's is the height of insulins when she walks around and actually suggests that she's the president of the european union, the, she runs the european union, she has an all of the bureaucrats. and yes, she's of every summit this year was as if she's uh, you know, the equivalent of all of the, the, the hands of states and heads us government for that. and, and everything that she does, she completely aligns with. so with the united states. so when i was about a month or so ago, she went to washington and on the very same day, and i think it was the very same time the buying was delivering the national

address, demanding that the american people put pressure on their congressional leaders to sign up for that package, the 100000000000 dollar package where ukraine gaza and the boy that she was speaking and use was exactly the same language also. well everybody's got to get on board, you know, because you know, the civilization does this make it? it'd be great and then we have to stand with israel. she is absolutely costly person and the same goes for all the you leave is, i mean use that barrell you pretends that he's he, you know, he runs to find the policies before the end of the buffet. total of it. yes, i'm going to jump the jump in mark, i'm going to go ahead begin here because george and i have a lot of fun with burrell. i mean, it's just a gift that keeps on giving. keep go ahead. my bill is just, it's a position that you created almost deliberately. there was this conspiracy amongst

you need to is that we have to create this sort of super deep clue kind of, uh, you know, mega states idea of the you having foreign policy. but we don't really want it to be anything serious or real or genuine. we don't want to have an edge. so we need to find a politician delta who is completely ineffective, totally eustace, to advance charismatic as a part of dump towels, who talks in jibberish and no one takes them seriously. that is actually the criteria of the job. if you look black oil, c, p, u for an offense, cheese has always been the same thing. we had a lady from breast and called catherine as town who was just a police officer. she was so spectacularly useless. she got lost in a building in eastern europe, and people have to go and have to find out from the building. she couldn't work out how to get to the list to get down to the ground floor. so it's all the same, the same person that realized that something had gone terribly wrong. and the, my don, this was a problem vacation. she knew it, she talked to other of her colleagues, she knew it, but she had no courage to push forward with it. as the caliber of people that we

have right now, i'm sorry to interrupt me, are no one an barrel, is pretty much the same. you know, he's, he's, every time he opens his mouth and he says something, it's either completely jibberish and ineffective. another sense, or it's polemic. and he says something like, you know, that he is a god, and everybody else is in the jungle. and i, i know he's ever going to go is that, does he want me to move on from that? you know, but we'll be sol with gone. so what we saw with ukraine is a, you goes into a deep freeze. so sorry, the cuts joining a scale so they say multi note will be c is every time that so something huge happens in the world in a you, for a policy just goes into the deep freeze that goes because he has put into the test phrase and we never hear of ever again, ann barella is not spokesman of that deep freeze operation. you know, when and doubtful, or the americans on ever think i'm just degree, cuz probably how is that worked out, joe or joseph? i mean, any of this, there's a inexpensive track record now. i mean,

maybe you can say this was a one off year. yeah, no, that's right. and that's what the slope of using, because burrell, so sometimes guy recalls, well, i'm supposed to be a representative of the european left, and i was a french social is. so maybe i should say something that's uh, a little bit of defiance of the united states and uh, you know, i should be in a call about some european, uh, approach to, uh, well, the 5th and i say, you know, he says, isn't it goes, makes a complete full of in, so as he did with the whole, the jungle and the, the growth at the garden. but in the meantime, most of the phone, they're lying. clearly, angling for the job of the nato secretary general. she's another under the u. it has to absolutely, uh, follow the united states, whatever the americans want,

the europeans. sure one. and then, you know, and, you know, and it goes beyond just the you because the, you know, the u. k. although no longer a member of the you, it's none. the less is you know, more than happy to say yeah, yeah, yeah, we go to just do, do whatever the americans want. and so we have this, this entity of this, your, of the european confidence that has 6 have nothing to say. i mean, what? well, you know what? yeah. and george, you know me throw it back to my own is the we, you know, we, after the, the 2008 financial crisis, a new organization, the g 20, which i think was a really good idea. the g 7 doesn't speak for the world though they think they do. um, but then we have the the g 7 just corrupting the g 20. i mean, again, you know, she shutting down all kinds of avenues of different points of view and not allowing countries to express their sovereign interest and rights more. and what is the southern interest? you know, so it's almost a dirty word with dusty phrase, you know, with the further we go down this road, you know, sadly,

most member states, you know, the level of governance, discuss, hello, and know. and brussels becomes escape cause you can think me blame for everything, but you know, if she ever do any so you know, we with, i think when we look back at this last year, i think we will look very much at the side. pacific denies of britain how britain has become such a brutal of america is just embarrassing as a brit. i'm so embarrassed. talk like this. you know, i'm old enough to remember when we, we have some clout in the world. but now, you know, with, with just as pathetic little poodle for the button administration to listen to go well, and that was the time i think you meant agree with me, george. and i have often reflected on this um, after the 2nd world war, we could name all the prime ministers up until like 2 last kind of 10 years ago with like who's born right now. i have no idea 10 years ago the 10 years ago i wouldn't know, i would know who the, the french foreign minister is. i wouldn't know that. okay, i don't know it because it doesn't matter. it doesn't. oh,

go to the judge. i'm sorry. julia julia, i know that was a good he doesn't have and, and what we both mothers thing is absolutely right. that it was the time when the europeans would, you know, however feebly you insist on a distinctive foreign policy of their own arrow. wilson refused to go along with the united states of vietnam despite the l. b j's pleadings. edward he refused to uh, indoor son nixon's and live, to support israel during the young people who said no, you can't use our airspace to send weapons through israel. it's inconceivable that anyone would, would do that. now we don't even have to get any that the gold and very brown, but there were european leaders who said no, no, you know, we, we, we're not just going to blindly follow the americans. it's a disaster to now, you know, my call and occasionally gives an interview and you have, we missed a mentoring the supervisor of identity, who may not have been great and excited. you know, we just clock follows what the,

the americans as well as the worst impression of a 100 but i mean, but it is, there may be the worse, but i mean, the interpretation is right. i think get on monday. he thinks one thing on tuesday, it's something completely different than them, but that's what makes them irrelevant and kind of an absurd character. but it isn't that, that very representative of, of european politics as george has pointed out, if you want to know what their position is, check somebody in washington, even probably a junior level per person is writing this for them these days. i gentlemen, i'm going to step in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the year 2023 state market. the

the welcome across that were all things are considered. i'm get a little bill. this is the home addition to mind. you were discussing the year 2023, [000:00:00;00] the plans go back to georgia in budapest, another i think on trend that we saw it was, it didn't happen in 2023. but we became very, um, uh, recognizable is the, the difference between the nato, a world g 7 and everybody else is getting clearer and clearer. and we, and they'll be all of the efforts that, um, and they still land in g 7 tried to use

a world public opinion against russia mailed russia is not an isolated countries. matter fact, it's opened up a lot of new avenues with trade and even people of diplomatically, but the west is kind of just living in its own little bubble. it just simply can't recognize the world that is changing in front of it. and they're the ones that are creating the change in fact port. yeah. is that exactly right, and it means that it's even happening within your itself. else, you know, it's not you but somebody like uh, victor, oregon who that home say is actually one of the winners of this. yeah. because he looks pretty good. you know, he said from the beginning it is absolutely crazy of all the europeans to follow the americans blindly. absolutely crazy to pursue the sanctions follow save. and the sooner this war in ukraine is brought to an end of the better. but it's,

it's a expense to the rest of the world with, with the spine full of pressure and controlling that countries like india or china and, uh, and i was uh, uh, put under by the united states. they still say, well actually it has nothing to do with us. that's your problem. don't impose your problems on us and that, and then tomorrow we'll go along with the sanctions. was a game. well, we're not going along with the sanctions because of the game. it isn't our problem, and we're not going to make sacrifices. you ukraine, you care about your praise, you know, you, you be, want to go down that path and then it goes where the width is really, you know, a serious be high. so it goes, when it gets to the mid lease where, you know, suddenly where, uh, the, the west has been, you know, beating its chest with power. oh my god, what's going on? and ukraine is telling us something, oh, this is, this is fine. you know, we go with, you know, what this girl's doing is fine. and hey,

we have these ridiculous things, lopsided boats at the united nations, the un general assembly, even though the un security council. louise's mom rode away, but i'm going to just keep going with the israel. so it's a shows a couple of the installation, you know, the west, but the, basically the west is now the united states. they have their agenda. the tried to inflict this on, on the rest of the world and the rest of the so no, i mean it's just got nothing to do with us. yeah. martin, i think one of the the, i think it's under reported and not understood well enough, but what about uh, one of the critical moments of 2023 is when joe biden flew to israel. a gave the bear hug to mit netanyahu, but didn't expect that to have a pair of summit and he was turned down. i think that is a very interesting turning point. you got completely snubbed. we have, he has a secretary of state that um, it just speaks in a boiler plate. platitudes. same thing with jake sullivan,

who said right before the complex, the little waste was remarkably quiet right now. again, it's like is this lack of a leadership? it's a lack of quality leadership and, and, and, and, and very myopic ideological precepts and how they see the world. yeah, i need some from where i am in the airport and i can tell you is that a whole the country is the 22 countries, the men or region, most of them, if not all of them, are just simply buying time. i'm waiting for the bite and ministration to, to full and be replaced. ideally they have many of them hope the trump will come back and assessing the gdc states. and so they all, they don't hate the bottom. and so, you know, how many huge access to grind it goes by and they just think he's an effective method. it is just, they just can't do anything. you know, he's an old man who's lost touch of u. s. foreign policy. and as george mentioned, i think, you know, west policy is america. now that's the transition that we've seen over the last couple decades. you know,

and really brought home most so with some ukraine where there was a be still on the table and you kind of were reason, be happy with it. and the russians a reason that happened with it and you know, bite and sense um the the dump, lois don't. some of that discover it and make sure that we know you actually want to, well with russia, you know, that would be conflicts, but even lots and lots since they didn't really want to avoid russia. they wanted a proxy, but with russia, which is the cause of much more cowardly and much more manageable. and they thought would have a, in the end of the month or 2. but to, to go back to georgia split, think the west is in decline. that's how we look at 2023. you know? but that makes though it was a west. ok, we say the united states, george more dangerous because no hedge amount in history willingly accept, accept the leave. what their power and their influence,

the diminishment they felt like they might do maintain it. i think that's right. and i think that's why um, the situation is rather dangerous. um, you know, we, we often talk about the ukraine and how, um, well, you know, your brand is obviously, um, failing is losing. um, good faith is inevitable, but then you have to as well. but will the united states accept that? and that's where you get the dangers. well, they may not, they may just simply decided that this is intolerable and actually move their own forces in my facility to fight with russia. but to put their forces in and saying here, thus far, and no further we, we will maintain the military presence in your price. that's a very dangerous situation, but well, with within the realms of possibility. because i know the united states is just simply going to shrugged shoulders. they, okay, well, we lost the russia and that's a little risk of just losing the rush is not something that some would be

acceptable to washington. singles was taiwan. i mean, do you know, the low bluster of which you, you here in, in washington about so i want that's relatively new, you know, and you know, up until a few years ago, you know, the united states maintain, they, it's about strategic ambiguity. we just don't talk about it. well, you know, we'll let everyone else try to figure out what we going to do. now there explicitly saying that, you know, we're ready to go to war, but i want it's very dangerous. and the other thing is just safety. that's that it does happen when, when you're in decline, then you'll have to really go through arrested and with the, with the, the instability is now in washington. who the hell knows where that's going to go. you know, a martin of this, this, the year lives passing and we had a henry kissinger passed away. it was not unexpected, as i've said before. but you know, we think of the world we ever speak, they respect about you think about him because there is legacy as a technician of the diploma. so he,

i can see that he could have even contemplated how incompetent american foreign policy leads are these days. i mean, considering the under nixon's direction, the opening, the china, you know, brilliant, diplomatic, move there. no diplomatic brilliance left in the west. no, and this is the, i mean, the more, most cynical view of thought might be from old tax. let me that it says the now us foreign policy is entirely driven by the industrial metric complex. whereas before, you know, big, powerful arms makers had influenced loving effect. but there was also a kissinger like an approach to the image of america and how we protect ourselves and longer term strategies. now it's just really about money. and, you know, when you talk about taiwan, you know, oh, good. ok, taiwan. could that be another $1020.00 trillion dollars shovel from, you know, us taxpayers into these huge companies that make these jet. so these are these

rockets probably they provide administration that they did their latest iteration of justifying the proxy war and ukraine. georgia is a, it's good for the economy. i mean, that's way we've gotten to where war is good for the economy. i mean, i, you know, that's almost like coming. that's a parody, but they actually use it as a talking point, george. exactly. it's a amazing bite and it said this repeatedly a, this is great because movie and aids getting, giving us the jobs. and, and i think the, the, the board is very important about the, the military industrial complex. it means that, you know, given that they depend on long term orders that those ready need long term and not do they need long term threats. yeah, exactly. and lunch on was going to just turn around, put in a big order for a well we ukraine is going to need such and such and such and such over the next 5 years. but that's a lot of money goes into that. and then you've done around is that,

well actually we're going to call it quits and uh, and uh, bring this to an end which, which would be an ideal solution. but hey, you put in these big orders. and if the, you know, these orders collapsed, then you're gonna serious economic problem on your hands. so now there's a vested interest in ensuring that these, uh, orders are fulfilled, which means, well, need a lot of books to fulfill them. well that there is another one of the weight. well yeah. well this is a hovering around this and every conversation we have now we go back to gaza. it is that the martin using george as logic, which i think is impeccable. here is a well since are destroying gods and making it on an habitable. what about his belie, maybe they're on the menu right now. we know, but a long war. and i'm sure the you with us is put itself in a position where it can say no, that's it. again, that shows you how degraded the integrity of american foreign policy is,

is really wants to expand the war us will follow, you know, in the beginning, a few weeks ago, we know we, we, we heard the comments from a lot of senior. i'm coming to just america's applied and it was reluctantly been pushed into the regional. but now it seems that we've been don't really very the way say martin was anymore. i like the kind of stuff. i think there's a ruse. the worry. he's pretending that he reluctantly wants to go into the original war, but he's actually letting it happen. i mean, he's allowing the reluctant, boyer george look at his age i or history george of it for everyone should know charges and expert on me. the destruction of the former yugoslavia and jo bind, but it has a very high profile in your book on at george, very high profile. and the fact that you can find it on youtube. old of biden's pronouncements during the 1990s in which he's actually boasting around about $199798.00. does he not? i wasn't one of the 1st to say we need to bone besides and i don't mean just bone balls there. i mean bones. so there is

a whole is like you is that that's who by ms. barton has been a cold warrior from the very beginning. i mean, even, you know, back in the 19 ages when the new democrats with 1st emerging, you know, well, oh, these are good democrats. i know like them a government democrats easily the neo. com democrats, by who was always the leaders. that's who by this and when he says things like what i've always been a zine is a and then he says, well without israel, the jews around the world wouldn't be save your visa, talking points, you know, cooked up the neo cons, cook top of it in the in israel, and he's just, you know, offering them that that's who is, it is rather frightening that they have a big a really from, you know, like a museum piece from well, 3 years ago. the frightening it was a frightening year and next year it's going to be even more frightening. that's all the time we have on the thing, my guessing america. and in budapest, i wouldn't want to thank our viewers for watching us here at

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