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the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome the prospect where all things are considered. and peter roosevelt . html 2 is change and violence are among the hallmarks of the year about and indeed the conflict in ukraine and the war on guys are shocked. the conscience on this edition of the program, we discuss who in what made the year memorable? the discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's

a pod cast or at the gavel which can be found on youtube and locals and america. yes, we have martin j e is an award winning journalist and commentator. our job in cross levels are back. that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with georgia in budapest. it's a, it's a big endeavor to ask you both of you, you know, what made this year this year with so little time and so many things going on. so i'm just going to, you know, ask the impossible, george, what made this year the year it was? well, it's a nice many things made it easier that he was, i mean, but it's, it's of the who has made the biggest impact. so i think in a negative way, i have to say prison by that i think um, he just failed massively. um and everything that he has uh tried um he goes into an election year with the strongly uh,

low poll numbers. are you spacing defeat is facing a potty that um that test him but doesn't know what the hell to do with him because i'm unable to get rid of him. but above all, he's really responsive over to terrible was. i mean, you know, the pacifically, he tries to distance himself from the war in gaza when he, every, everybody in the world can see he's the enabler in chief of that war. and of course, is the, the, the ongoing war in ukraine and, and by now, it's really has seeped into the public conscience that this war was unnecessary. it could have ended, you know, uh, 18 months ago. but i could have been avoid it altogether. i think would have been avoided altogether, but full of bite and then and his team. so he really has to be one

of the, was most catastrophic presidents in us history. a charge, you know, and it's a, it's a competition. now, i mean in our lifetime there's been a lot of very, very, or we ineffective presidents and bite and joins the ranks. pardon me and you're, you're a different part of the world in georgia. 9. what, how do you see the, the whole or the what that makes up this year when most of the 1st time on a humble show, george, some spells from my mother often lamented when i followed the door. and it's not the easiest that i would have said, but maybe we can refine that. maybe we can hone that a tab. i think perhaps us for a policy has sunk to a new low. but the institutions around it which on dependent also, i think people may well look back next year to this year, look at the bottom administration and how we can and effective and how much does did that. and then look at nate,

so as well. and we will remember the nature summit in june of last year with the, the west basically pro prevaricates it and shrugged his shoulders and said, well, you know, we're coming to agree on whether you want to go this way of that way. but we try to this really, really cool little committee. it was a new little guy for a friend, zalinski, you know, and then nothing really came. was that a tool and that delaying and that did the ring, i think goes, go to momentum to it. you know, and so the, you spectacularly became just a spectator to conflicts which george touchstone is the also in the case of the you and enable or okay, of course of underlying she, you know, did the bear hug thing also the binding did. and then israel, which, you know, allow me thought to george here. i mean, i was gonna ask you, the democracy, deposition is growing and that was at the appropriate example of an elected official. assuming that you please assume such he has so much power. if he speaks for hundreds of millions of people, which he does,

it charge the the exactly right it's, it's is the, the heights of insulins when she walks around and actually suggests that she's the president of the european union. the, she runs the european union. she has an all elect, the bureaucrats, and yes, she's of every solid issue. it was because if she's uh, you know, the equivalent of all of the, the, the heads of states of heads, us government for that and, and everything that she does, she completely aligns with. so with the united states. so when i was about a month or so ago, she went to washington and on the very same day, and i think it was the very same time the buying was delivering the national address, demanding that the american people put pressure on the congressional leaders to sign up for that package, they want a 100000000000 dollar package where ukraine,

gaza and the boy that she was speaking and use almost exactly the same language also. well everybody's got to get on board, you know, because you know, the civilization does this make it? it'd be great and then we have to stand with israel. she is absolutely gossley person and the same goes for all the you leave is let me use that barrell. these pretends that he's, he, you know, he runs to find the policies before the end of the buffet total method. yes. so go ahead, jump the jump in martin. good. go ahead. begin here because george and i have a lot of fun with burrell. i mean, it's just a gift that keeps on giving keep, go ahead my don't, it's just, it's a position that you created almost deliberately. there was this conspiracy amongst the latest that we have to create this sort of super deep clue. kind of uh, you know, mega stage idea of the you having a foreign policy, but we don't really want it to be anything serious or real general. we don't want to to have an edge. so we need to find a politician delta who is completely in

a set to totally eustace, to dispense charismatic as a part of dump towels who talks and jibberish. and no one takes them seriously. that is actually the criteria of the job. if you look back at all of the a furnace as cheap has always been the same thing. we had a lady from breast and called catherine as town who was just that is also she was so spectacularly eustace. she got lost in a building in eastern europe, and people have to go in to find out from the building. she couldn't walk out how to get to the list to get down to the ground floor. so it's all the same, the same person that realized that something had gone terribly wrong. and the, my don, this was a proud vacation. she knew it, she talked to other of her colleagues, she knew it, but she had no courage to push forward with it. as the caliber of people that we have right now, i'm sorry to interrupt me, are no one an barrel, is pretty much the same. you know, he's, he's, every time he opens his mouth and he says something is a completely jibberish and ineffective. and another sense,

or it's polemic. and he says something like, you know, that he is a god, and everybody else is in the jungle. and i, i know he's ever going to go is that, that's where we can move on from that, you know, but we'll be sol with gone. so what we saw with ukraine is a, you goes into a deep freeze, so sorry, the cuts joining a scale. so they say multi know what we see is every time that so something huge happens in the world. you know, a you, for a policy just goes into deep freeze. it goes because he has put into the chest fries and we never hear of ever again. and burrell is not spokesman of that deep freeze operation. you know, when and doubtful of the americans on ever think i'm just degree cause problem. how is that worked out, joe or joseph? tell me any of this. there's a inexpensive track record now. i mean, maybe you can say this was a one off year. oh yeah, no, that's right. and that's what it's so amusing because burrell. so sometimes guy

recalls, well, i'm supposed to be a representative of the european left and i was a french social is. so maybe i should say something that's uh, a little bit of defiance of the united states and, uh, you know, i should, you know, call about some european approach to, uh, well, the 5th and i, you know, he says isn't it goes, makes a complete full of in so as he did with the whole, the jungle and the, the route that the god and uh, but in the meantime, of course the phone, the lion clearly, uh, angling for the job of the nato secretary general. she's a no, no the, the you, it has to absolutely, uh, follow the united states, whatever the americans want, the europeans should run. and then, you know, and, you know, and it goes beyond just the you because the very, you know, the u. k. although no longer a member of the you, it's none. the less is you know, more than happy to say yeah, yeah, yeah, we go to just do,

do whatever the americans want. and so we have this, this entity of this, your, of the european confidence that has 6 have nothing to say. i mean, what? well, you know what? yeah. and george, you know me throw it back to my own is the we, you know, we, after the, the 2008 financial crisis, a new organization, the g 20, which i think was a really good idea. the g 7 doesn't speak for the world though they think they do. um, but then we have the the g 7 just corrupting the g 20. i mean, again, you know, she shutting down all kinds of avenues of different points of view and not allowing countries to express their sovereign interest and rights martin. and what is the silver interest? you know, so it's almost a dirty word with dusty phrase, you know, with the further we go down this road, you know, sadly most member states, you know, the level of governance discussion or no, no, and expresses, becomes escape cause you completely blame for everything. but do you know if she ever do anything you know with, with i think we look back at this last year. i think we will look very much to the

side, the subject denies of britain how britain has become such people of america is just embarrassing as a brit. i'm so embarrassed to talk like this. you know, i'm old enough to remember when we, we have some clout in the world. but now, you know, with, with just as pathetic little poodle for the button administration to listen to go well and then that was the time, i think you meant agree with me, george. and i have often reflected upon this after the 2nd world war, we could name all the prime ministers up until like 2 last kind of 10 years ago with a who's born secretary. now i have no idea 10 years ago the 10 years ago i wouldn't know, i would know who the french foreign minister is. i wouldn't know that. okay, i don't know it because it doesn't matter. it doesn't. oh, the judge, i'm sorry. julia julia. i know that was a good he doesn't have and, and what we board modest thing is absolutely right, that there was a time when the europeans would, you know, however feebly you insist on a distinctive foreign policy of their own. harold wilson refused to go along with

the united states of vietnam despite the l. b. j is pleadings. edward, he's refused to uh, endorse on nixon's and live to support israel during the young people who are said, no, you can't use our s space to send the weapons to israel. it's inconceivable that anyone would, would do that. now we don't even have to get any that the gold and really brown, but they were european leaders who said no, no, you know we, we, we're not just going to blindly follow the americans. it's a disaster. the now you're in my car and occasionally gives an interview and you have, we missed a main during the civil that i did to may not have been great and excited. you know, we just followed what the, the americans as well as the worst impression of a 100 and i mean, but it is, there may be in the worst, but i mean, the interpretation is right. i think get on monday. he thinks one thing on tuesday is something completely different than them, but that's what makes them

a relevant and kind of an answer character. but it is a very representative of, of european politics as georgia is pointed out. if you want to know what their position is, check somebody in washington, even probably a junior level per person, is writing this for them these days. i gentlemen, i'm going to step in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the year 2023. stay in parking the people very in the environment. they grow up in some people gloating there it is easy places and living very diseases of places. other people live in areas that have less infectious diseases. and when you grow up in an area context instance, each individual strategically go to the collector. this are

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the welcome at the cross that were all things are considered. i'm get a little bill. this is the home addition to mind. you were discussing the year 2023 . the i go back to georgia in budapest, another one of a i think, on trends that we saw, i would, it didn't happen in 2023, but we became very recognizable. is the, the difference between the nato, a world g 7, and everybody else is getting clearer and clearer. and we, and that'll be all of the efforts that nate still land, and g 7 tried to use a world public opinion against russia mailed russia is not an isolated countries. matter fact, it's opened up a lot of new avenues with trade. and even people of diplomatically,

but the west is kind of just living that it's all little bubble. it just simply can't recognize the world that is changing in front of it. and they're the ones that are creating the change in that port. yeah. is that exactly right? and it, i mean it's even happening within your itself self, you know, about it, but some of the, like, uh, vicar, oregon, who are home safe is actually one of the winners of this. yeah. because he looks pretty good. you know, he said from the beginning it is absolutely crazy ball the europeans to follow the americans blindly. absolutely crazy to pursue the sanctions policy. and the sooner this war in your brain is brought to an end of the better. but it's, it's a expense to the rest of the world with, with, despite all the pressure and controlling that countries like india or china

and i was put under by the united states. they still say, well, actually it has nothing to do with us. that's your problem. don't impose your problems on us and that and then tomorrow we'll go along with the sanctions. was a game? well, we're not doing along with the sanctions because again, it isn't our problem and we're not going to make sacrifices. you ukraine, you care about your praise. you know, you, you'll be want to go down that path and then of course, where the width is really, you know, a serious be high. so it goes, when it gets to the mid lease where, you know, suddenly where, uh, the uh, the, the west has been, you know, beating its chest with holler. oh my god, what's going on? and ukraine is telling us something. oh, this is, this is fine. you know, we go when you know what this girl's doing is fine. and here we have these ridiculous a lopsided votes at the united nations, the un general assembly, even though the un security council,

the motor we. but i'm going to just keep going with the israel, so it's a shows a couple of the installation, you know, the, the west. but the, basically, the west is now the united states. they have their agenda. the tried to inflict this on, on the rest of the world and the rest of them so no, i mean it's just got nothing to do with us. yeah. martin, i think i think one of the the, i think it's under reported and not understood well enough, but what else uh, one of the critical moments of 2023 is when joe biden flew to israel. a gave the bear hug to mit netanyahu, but didn't expect that to have a air of summit and he was turned down. i think that is a very interesting turning point. you've got completely snubbed a we have he has a secretary of state that um it just speaks in a boiler plate. platitudes. same thing with jake sullivan who said right before the got the little waste was remarkably quiet right now. again, it's like if this lack of a leadership, it's a lack of quality leadership and, and,

and, and, and barry myopic ideological precepts and how they see the world. yeah, and it's um, from where i am in the airport and i can tell you is that a whole the country is 22 countries in the mentor region. most of them, if not all of them are just simply buying time. i'm waiting for the bike and ministration to, to full and be replaced. ideally they hope many of them hope that trump will come back and assessing the gdc states. and so they all, they don't have the bottom. it's nice to know how many huge access to grind it goes by and they just think he's an effective method. it is just it just calling to think, you know, he's an old man who's lost touch of u. s. foreign policy. and as george mentioned, i think, you know, west policy is america. now that's the transition that we've seen. probably the last couple of decades. you know, i'm really brought home most so with some ukraine where there was a be still on the table. and you kind of were reason, be happy with it,

and the russians a reason i'm happy with it and you know, bite and sense of the, the job versed on some of that, discover it and make sure that we know you actually want to go with russia you know, that would be quite good, but even lots and lots since they didn't really want to rush out. they wanted a proxy. what with russia, which is, of course, much more cowardly and much more manageable. and they thought with that in the end of the month or 2, but to, to go back to georgia split. i think the west is in decline. that's how we look at 2023. you know about it. but that makes though it was a west. ok, we say of united states, george. more dangerous because no hedge them on in history willingly accept accepts the really what their power and their influence, the diminishment they, they'll fight, they fight the maintain it. i think that's right. and i think that's why um, the situation is rather dangerous. um, you know, we, we often talk about the ukraine and how, um, well, you know,

your brain is obviously, so failing is losing, um, good. faith is inevitable, but then you have to as well, but will the united states accept that? and that's where you have the danger as well. they may not. they may just simply decide that this is the intolerable and actually move their own forces in a survey to fight with russia to put their forces in and saying, hit thus far. and no further we, we will maintain military presence in your price. that's a very dangerous situation, but well, with within the realms of possibility, because i know the united states has just simply got to shrugged shoulders that okay, well, we lost the russia and that's a little risk. so just losing to russia is not something that's a would be acceptable to washington. st goes with taiwan. i mean, do you know the low bluster of which you, you here in washington about? so i want that's relatively new. you know, i, you know, up until a few years ago,

you know, the united states maintained, they did support strategic ambiguity. we just don't talk about it going and i will let everyone else try to figure out what we're going to do. now, there explicitly saying that, you know, we're ready to go to war, but i want to very dangerous. and the honest, as you say, fee that's, that's, it does happen when, when you're in decline, then you'll have to really go through arrested and with the, with the, the instability is now in washington. who the hell knows where that's going to go. you know, a martin of this, this, the year it's passing and we had a henry kissinger passed away. it was not unexpected, as i've said before. but, you know, we think of the world we ever speak, they respect about you think about henry kissinger, his legacy as a technician of the clo, let's see. i can see that he could have even contemplated how incompetent american foreign policy leads are these days. i mean,

considering the under nixon's direction, the opening, the china, you know, brilliant, diplomatic, move there. no diplomatic brilliance left in the west. no, and this is the most cynical view of thought might be from old tax. let me that it says the now us foreign policy is entirely driven by the industrial metric complex . whereas before, you know, big, powerful arms makers had influenced loving effects. but there was also a kissinger like an approach to the image of america and how we protect ourselves and long term strategies. now it's just really about money. and, you know, when you're talking about taiwan, you know, oh, good. ok, taiwan. could that be another $1020.00 trillion dollars shovel from, you know, us taxpayers into these huge companies that make these jet. so these are these rockets probably they, they provide administration that they, their latest iteration of justifying the proxy war and ukraine. georgia is a, it's good for the economy. i mean,

that's way we've gotten to where war is good for the economy. i mean, i, you know, that's almost like coming. that's a parody, but they actually use it as a talking point. george. exactly. it's a amazing bigler said this repeatedly, hey, this is great because we're really, it's getting, giving us jobs. and, and i think the, the, the board is very important about the, the military industrial complex. it means that, you know, given that they depend on long term orders that there's ready, they need long term, and not do they need long term threats. yeah, exactly. and lunch on was you're going to just turn around, put in a big order for a well we ukraine is going to need such and such and such and such over the next 5 years up. that's a lot of money goes into that. and then you talk around is that, well actually we're going to call it quits and uh, and uh, bring this to an end which, which would be an ideal solution. but hey, you put in these big orders. and if the, you know, these orders collapse,

then you've got a serious economic problem on your hands. so now there's a vested interest in ensuring that these orders are fulfilled, which means, well, need a lot of books to fulfill them. well that there is another war, the weight will be as hovering around us in every conversation we have now we go back to gaza. is that the martin using george as logic? which i think is impeccable. here is a well since destroying gods and making it on an habitable. what about his blog? maybe they're on the menu right now. we know been a long war, and i'm sure the you with us has put itself in a position where it can say no, but again, that shows you how degraded the, the integrity of american foreign policy is because we want to expand the war. us will follow, you know, in the beginning a few weeks ago we know we, we, we heard the comments from a lot of senior commentators in america's advising and was reluctantly been pushed

into the regional. but now it seems that we've been, that are really very nice se, marvin anymore. i will, i think, okay, i just know, i think there's a ruse that where he's pretending that he reluctantly wants to go into the original war, but he's actually letting it happen. i mean, he's allowing the reluctant boyer george look at his entire history. george of it for everyone should know charges an expert on me, the destruction of the former yugoslavia and joe bind. but it has a very high profile in your book on, at george, very high profile. and the fact you know, you can find it on youtube. all of biden's pronouncements during the 1990s in which he's actually boasting around about 199798. does he not? i was the 1st to say we need to bone besides, and i don't mean just bone balls there. i mean bone. so there is a whole is like you, you know, that that's who by ms. barton has been a cold warrior from the very beginning. i mean, even, you know, back in the 19 ages when the new democrats with 1st emerging, you know, well, oh,

these are good democrats. i don't like them. a government democrats easily. the neo con democrats, by who was always the leaders, that's who, by this and when he says things like, what i've always been a zine is. and then he says, well, without israel, the jews around the world wouldn't be safe. you know, these are talking points. you know, booked up on the neo cons cook and it in the, in israel. and he's just, you know, offering them that that's who is, it is rather frightening, that they have a big a really from, you know, like a museum piece from well, 3 years ago. the frightening it was a frightening year and next year it's going to be even more frightening. that's all the time we have on the thing, my guessing america, and in budapest, and i wouldn't want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our t. c. next time and we member across the rules and happy new year, the

known in vietnam, american war, the vietnam war last, it's almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries are done with now and then you don't see it now. why did all i'm empty? hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i don't know about that not, but the american soldiers murdered resistors mercilessly bowed down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and lee laid up day by all right. did the americans ever fully? no. that's what they did the on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive. yeah, yeah. yeah. that's

a ways to to put you have the warranty be will of tools and then is really a talk me animal hospital in southern dogs. i have the death pole in the homepage, the policy is 21000 wanting to subbing images. i had an 11 year old ago was killed in as many as like other refugee camping gaza and onto the pool, the diarrhea, another level and as a continue process and beltway start to resemble the lesson by 2014 to key the importance of important petition ones that his nation must maintain defensive