and that you brain become friendly to the european union began and that set the stage for the, for any and government being violently toppled. russia took this opportunity to present before the un security council, the facts about what led up to the situation in ukraine today. back to the western media jobs conveniently last is over. and facts that western leaders decided they didn't need to even listen to and decided to them just smith as lies and conspiracy theories. despite all the evidence backs receipts presented to prove what rush it had to say. about advance a new frame 10 years ago. while that's over this new, the valley is on cost. so next i'm will the bottom of the people very in the environment. they grow up in some people gloating, very dizzy places and living very disease of places. other people live in areas

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and indeed the conflict in ukraine and the war on guys or shop the conscience on this edition of the program. we discuss who and what made the year memorable. the discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the guy, but which can be found on youtube and locals and america. yes, we have martin j e is an award winning journalist and commentator our job across i've roles. in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with georgia in budapest. it's a, it's a big endeavor to ask you both of you, you know, what made this year this year with so little time and so many things going on. so i'm just going to, you know, ask the impossible, george, what made this year the year it was a well, it's a nice many things made it easier that he was, i mean,

but it's in terms of who has made the biggest impact. so i think in a negative way, i have to say prison by that i think um he is failed massively and everything that he has tried. he goes into an election year with the standing lead. low poll numbers are he's facing, defeat is facing a party that um, that test him but doesn't know what the hell to do with him because unable to get rid of him. but above all, he's really responsive over to terrible was, i mean, you know, the pacifically, he tries to distance himself from the war in gaza when he, every, everybody in the world can see he's the enabler in chief of that war. and of course, is the, the, the ongoing war in ukraine and, and by now,

it's really has seeped into the public conscience that this war was unnecessary, could have ended, you know, uh, 18 months ago. but i never could have been appointed altogether, i think would have been avoided all together, but full of bite and then and his team. so he really has to be one of the, was most catastrophic presidents in us history to charge. you know, it's a, it's a competition now, i mean, in our lifetime there's been a lot of very, very for weak, ineffective presidents and by new joins the ranks, aren't really into your, you're a different part of the world in georgia. 9. what, how do you see the, the whole or the what that makes up this year? when most of the 1st time on a humble show of george, some stove from my mother often lamented when i followed your data smart, the easiest that i would have said, but maybe we can refine that. maybe we can hone that

a tab. i think perhaps us for a policy has sunk to a new low, but the institutions around it which on dependent also, i think people may well look back next year to this year. look at the button administration and how we can and effective and how, how much does did that. and then look at nate, so as well. and we want to remember the nature of summit in june of last year with the west basically put prevaricates it and shrugged his shoulders and said, well, you know, we're coming to agree on whether you want to go this way or that way. but we try to this really, really cool little committee. it was a new little guy for a friend, zalinski you know, and then nothing. it really came. was that a tool and that delay and that did the ring, i think goes, go to momentum to it. you know, and so the, you spectacularly became just the spec types of 2 conflicts, which george touchstone, the also in the case of the you and enable are,

okay. 1st of july and she, you know, did the pair hug thing also the binding did in, in israel, which, you know, family thought to george here. i mean i was gonna ask you, the democracy. deposition is growing and that was that's a perfect example of an elected official. assuming that you play assume such he has so much power if he speaks for hundreds of millions of people, which he does that george. that exactly right it's, it's is the height of insulins when she walks around and actually suggests that she's the president of the european union. the, she runs the european union. she has an all elect, the bureaucrats. and yes she's of every summit is yours because if she's uh, you know, the equivalent of all of the, the, the hands of states, of heads of government for that and, and everything that she does, she completely aligns with. so with the united states. so when i was about

a month or so ago, she went to washington and on the very same day, and i think it was the very same time, the biden was delivering the national address, demanding that the american people put pressure on the congressional leaders to sign up for that package, the 100000000000 dollar package where ukraine gaza and the boy that she was speaking and he was almost exactly the same language also. well everybody's got to get on board, you know, because you know, the civilization does this make it? it'd be great and then we have to stand with israel. she is absolutely gossley person and the same goes for all the you leave is, i mean use at barrell. he's pretends that he's, he, you know, he runs to find the policies before the end of the buffet. total method. yes, go ahead. definitely jump in margaret, go ahead. begin here because george and i have a lot of fun with burrell. i mean, it's just a gift that keeps on giving keep go ahead. my bill is just, it's

a position to the created almost deliberately. there was this conspiracy amongst the latest that we have to create this sort of stupid to clue. kind of uh, you know, mega stage idea of the you having a foreign policy, but we don't really want it to be anything serious or real or genuine. we don't want it to have an edge. so we need to find a politician delta who is completely in a site to totally eustace a sponge charismatic as a part of dump towels who talks in jibberish. and no one takes them seriously. that is actually the criteria of the job. and if you look back at all of the a furnace as cheap has always been the same thing. we had a lady from breast and called catherine as town who was just that is also, she was so spectacularly useless. she got lost in a building in eastern europe and people had to go and not to find it from the building. she couldn't work out how to get to the list to get down to the ground floor. so it's all the same, the same person that realized that something had gone terribly wrong. and the,

my don, this was a problem vacation. she knew it, she talked to other over her colleagues, she knew it, but she had no courage to push forward with it. as the caliber of people that we have right now, sorry to interrupt me, are no one an barrel, is pretty much the same. you know, he's, he's, every time he opens his mouth and he says something is a completely jibberish and ineffective and nonsense, or it's polemic. and he says something like, you know, that he is a god, and everybody else is in the jungle. and i, i know he's ever going to go is that, does he want me to move on from that? you know, but we'll be sol with gone. so what we saw with ukraine is a, you goes into a deep freeze. so sorry, the cuts joining a scale so they say multi note will be c is every time that so something huge happens in the world in a you, for a policy just goes into a deep freeze. it goes because he has put into the chest freeze and we never hear of ever again. ann barella is not spokesman of that deep freeze operation. you know, when and doubtful,

or the americans on every think. i'm just degree cause problem. how is that worked out? joe? or joseph, i mean, any of this, there's a inexpensive track record now. i mean, you can say this was a one off year. yeah, no, that's right. and that's what it's so amusing because burrell. so sometimes guy recalls, well, i'm supposed to be a representative of the european left and i was a french social is. so maybe i should say something that's uh, a little bit of defiance of the united states. and uh, you know, i should do, you know, call about some european, uh, approach to, uh, well, the 5th and i, you know, he says as it goes, makes a complete full of in. so as he did with the whole, the jungle and the, the growth at the garden. uh, but in the meantime, uh, most of the lion clearly, uh, angling for the job of the nato secretary general. she's a number the you,

it has to absolutely, uh, follow the united states, whatever the americans want, the europeans. sure one. and then, you know, and, you know, and it goes beyond just the you because the, you know, the u. k. although no longer a member of the you, it's none. the less is you know, more than happy to say yeah, yeah, yeah, we go to just do, do whatever the americans want. and so we have this, this entity of this, your, of the european confidence that has nothing to say. i mean, what, well, you know what, actually i'm in charge. you know me throw it back to my own is the we, you know, we, after the, the 2008 financial crisis, a new organization, the g 20, which i think was a really good idea. the g 7 doesn't speak for the world though. they think they do, um, but then we have the the g 7 just corrupting the g 20. i mean again, you know, shutting down all kinds of avenues of different points of view and not allowing countries to express their sovereign interest and rights martin. and what is the

silver interest, you know, so it's almost a dirty word with dusty phrase. you know, with the further we go down this road, you know, sadly most member states, you know, the level of governance discussion or no and brussels becomes escape cause you continually blame for everything. but you know, if she ever do anything you know, weird with i think we look back at this last year. i think we will look very much to the side pacific denies of britain how britain has become such approval of america is just embarrassing as a brit. i'm so embarrassed to talk like this. you know, i'm old enough to remember when we, we have some clout in the world. but now, you know, with, with just as pathetic little poodle for the button administration to listen to go well, and that was the time, i think you would agree with me, george. and i have often reflected upon this after the 2nd world war, we could name all the prime ministers up until like 2 last kind of 10 years ago with a who's born secretary. now i have no idea 10 years ago the 10 years ago i wouldn't

know, i would know who the french foreign minister is. i wouldn't know that. okay, i don't know it because it doesn't matter. it doesn't. oh, go to the judge, i'm sorry, go ahead. go. yeah, no, that was a good he doesn't have and, and what we board modest thing is absolutely right. that it was a time when the europeans were, you know, there however feebly you insist on a distinctive foreign policy of their own. aero wilson refused to go along with the united states of vietnam despite the l. b. j. pleadings, edward, he refused to uh, endorse on nixon's and live, to support israel during the young people who are said, no, you can't use our s space to send the weapons through a israel. it's inconceivable that anyone would would do that. now we don't even have to get any that the gold, a very broad, but they were european leaders who said no, no, you know we, we, we're not just going to blindly follow the americans. it's a disaster. the now you're in my car and occasionally gives an interview and you have, we missed a mentoring the supervisor of identity,

who may not have been great and excited. you know, we just clock follows what the, the americans, as well as the worst impression of a 100 and i mean, but it is, there may be the worse, but i mean, the interpretation is right. i think get on monday. he thinks one thing on tuesday, it's something completely different than them, but that's what makes them irrelevant and kind of an absurd character. but it is a very representative of, of european politics as george has pointed out. if you want to know what their position is, check somebody in washington, even probably a junior level per person, is writing this for them these days. i gentlemen, i'm going to step in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the year 2023. stay in the parking

the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously is to trace a trust, rather than fit the various job. i mean with the artificial intelligence we have some of the theme in

the a robot must protect this phone. existence was alexis, the welcome that's across that were all things are considered. i'm get a little this is the home addition to mind. you were discussing the year 2023, the let's go back to georgia in budapest, another. i think on trends that we saw and it didn't happen in 2023, but we became very a recognizable is the, the difference between the nato,

a world g 7 and everybody else is getting clearer and clearer. and we, and they'll be all of the efforts that nate still land, and g 7 tried to use a world public opinion against russia mailed russia is not an isolated countries. matter fact, it's opened up a lot of new avenues with trade and even people a diplomatically, but the west is kind of just living in its own little bubble. it just simply can't recognize the world that is changing in front of it. and they're, the ones is that are creating the change in that porch. yeah. is that exactly right and it, i mean it's even happening within your, of itself self. you know, they've got it, but somebody like uh, victor, oregon who that home say is actually one of the winners of this. yeah. because he looks pretty good. you know, he said from the beginning it is absolutely crazy. ball the europeans to follow the

americans blindly. absolutely. crazy to pursue the sanctions policy. and the sooner this war in your brain is brought to an end of the better. but it's, it's a expense to the rest of the worldly, with the spine full of pressure and controlling that countries like india or china . and those are put under by the united states. they still say, well, actually it has nothing to do with us. that's your problem. don't impose your problems on us and that, and then tomorrow we'll go along with the sanctions. was a game? well, we're not doing along with the sanctions because again, it isn't our problem and we're not going to make sacrifices. you ukraine, you care about your praise, you know, you, you, you want to go down that path and then it goes where the width is really, you know, a serious be high. so it goes, when it gets to the mid lease where, you know, suddenly where, uh, the, uh, the, the west has been, you know,

beating its chest with power. oh my god, what's going on? and ukraine is telling us something. oh, this is, this is fine. you know, we go when you know what this girl's doing is fine. and here we have these ridiculous things, lopsided boats at the united nations, the un general assembly, even though the un security council. louise's mom rode away. but i'm going to just keep going with the israel, so it's a shows a couple of the installation, you know, the west, but the, basically, the west is now the united states. they have their agenda, the tried to inflict the on all the rest of the world and the rest so. so no, i mean it's just good. nothing to do with us. yeah. martin, i think i think one of the that i think it's under reported and not understood well enough, but what about uh, one of the critical moments of 2023 is when joe biden flew to israel. a gave the bear hug to mit netanyahu, but didn't expect that to have a air of summit and he was turned down. i think that is

a very interesting turning point. he got completely snubbed a we have he has a secretary of state that um it just speaks in a boiler plate. platitudes. same thing with jake sullivan, who said right before the complex the little waste was remarkably quiet right now. again, it's like, it's a lack of a leadership, it's a lack of quality leadership and, and, and, and, and very myopic ideological precepts and how they see the world. yeah, i need some from where i am in the airport and i can tell you is that a whole the country is 22 countries, the mentor region, most of them, if not all of them, are just simply buying time. i'm waiting for the bite and ministration to, to full and be replaced. ideally they have many of them hope the trump will come back and assessing the gc states. and so the bottom, it's nice to know how many huge axes to grind it goes by and they just think as an effective method, it is just they just can't do anything. you know,

he's an old man who's lost touch of u. s. foreign policy. and as george mentioned, i think, you know, west policy is america. now that's a transition that we've seen probably the last couple of decades. you know, i'm really brought home most so with ukraine where there was a be still on the table and you kind of were reason, be happy with it. and the russians a reason i'm happy with it and you know, bite and sense the the dump, lois don't. some of that discover it. and make sure that we know where you actually want to go with russia. you know, that'll be quite good. but even lots and lots since they didn't really want to rush out, they wanted a proxy, but with russia, which is of course, much more cowardly and much more manageable. and they thought with that in the end of the month or 2, i'm but to, to go back to george's point, i think the west is in decline. that's how we look at 2023. you know? but that makes though it was a west. ok, we say of united states george. more dangerous because no hedge them on in history

willingly accept accepts the really what their power and their influence, the diminishment they, they'll fight, they fight the maintain it. i think that's right. and i think that's why um, the situation is rather dangerous. um, you know, we, we often talk about the ukraine and how, um, well, you know, your brain is obviously, um, failing is losing. um, good faith is inevitable, but then you have to as well. but will the united states accept that? and that's where you have the danger as well. they may not, they may just simply decided that this is intolerable, and actually move their own forces in my facility to fight with russia. but to put their forces in and saying, hit thus far, and no further we, we will maintain the military presence in your price. that's a very dangerous situation, but well, within the rooms,

a possibility because i know the united states is just simply going to shrug his shoulders. they okay, well, we lost the russia and that's a little risk. so just losing the rush is not something that's a would be acceptable to washington. singles was taiwan. i mean, the, you know, the, the low bluster of which you, you here in washington about. so i want, that's relatively new. you know, i, you know, up until a few years ago, you know, the united states maintain, they did. so what strategic ambiguity, we just don't talk about it going and i will let everyone else try to figure out what we're going to do. now there explicitly saying that, you know, we're ready to go to war, but i want it's very dangerous. and the other thing, cuz it's likely that, that it does happen when, when you're in decline, then you'll have to really go through arrested and with, with the instability and now in washington, who the hell does with us, can we go, you know, a martin of this this the year it's passing and we had a henry kissinger passed away. it was not unexpected,

as i've said before. but you know, we think of the world we ever speak, they respect about you think about him because there is legacy as a technician of, of diploma. see, i can see that he could have even contemplated how incompetent american foreign policy leads are these days. i mean, considering the under nixon's direction, the opening, the china, you know, really diplomatic move there. no diplomatic brilliance left in the west. no, and this is the, i mean, the more, more cynical view of that might be from old tax. let me that it says the now us foreign policy is entirely driven by the industrial metric complex. whereas before, you know, big, powerful arms makers had influence and loving effects. but there was also a kissinger like an approach to the image of america and how we protect ourselves. and along with some strategies now it's just really about money. and, you know,

when you talk about taiwan, you know, oh, good. ok, taiwan. could that be another $1020.00 trillion dollars shovel from, you know, us taxpayers into these huge companies that make these jets. so these are these rockets probably they, they provide administration that their latest inter ration of justifying the proxy, warren ukraine. georgia is that it's good for the economy. i mean, that's way we've gotten to where war is good for the economy. i mean, not, i, you know, that's almost like coming. that's a parody, but they actually use it as a talking point. george, exactly the amazing bigler said this repeatedly, hey, this is great because movie and aids getting, giving us the jobs. and, and i think the, the, the, that board is very important about the, of the military industrial complex. it means that, you know, given that they depend on long term orders that those ready, they need long term and not do they need long term threats. yeah,

exactly. and lunch on was going to just done around, put in a big order for a well we ukraine is going to need such and such and such and such over the next 5 years. but that's a lot of money goes into that. and then you've done around is that, well actually we're going to call it quits and uh, and uh, bring this to an end which, which would be an ideal uh, solution. but hey, you put in these big orders. and if the, you know, these orders collapse, then you've got a serious economic problem on your hands. so now there's a vested interest in ensuring that these uh, orders are fulfilled, which means, well, need a lot of books to fulfill them. well that there is another one of the weight. well yeah. well this is a hovering around this and every conversation we have now we go back to gaza. is that the martin using george's logic, which i think is impeccable. here is a well sense of destroying gods and making it on an habitable. what about his blog? i mean they're on the menu right now. we know, but a long war and i'm sure the you with us is putting itself in

a position where it can say no, that's it. again, that shows you how degraded the, the integrity of american foreign policy is because we want to expand the war. us will follow, you know, in the beginning a few weeks ago we know we, we, we heard the comments from a lot of senior, i'm coming to just america's advising and was reluctantly been pushed into the regional. but now it seems that we don't really very, it may say martin anymore on the can i just know. i think there's a ruse where he's pretending that he reluctantly wants to go into the original war . but he's actually letting it happen. i mean, he's allowing the reluctant boyer george look at his entire history. george of it for everyone should know charges an expert on me, the destruction of the former yugoslavia and joe bind. but it has a very high profile in your book on, at george, very high profile. and the fact you know, you can find it on youtube. all of biden's pronouncements during the 1990s in which

he's actually boasting around about 199798. does he not? i was the 1st to say we need to bone besides, and i don't mean just bone balls there. i mean bone. so there is a whole is like you is that that's who bike moves by has been a cold warrior from the very beginning. i mean, even, you know, back in the 19 ages when the new democrats were 1st emerging, you know, well, oh, these are good democrats. i know like them a government democratic easily the neo con democrats, by who was always the one where leaders that's who by this and when he says things like what i've always been a zine is a and then he says, well, without israel, the jews around the world wouldn't be safe, you know, these a talking point, you know, cooked up in the neo cons cope and in the, in israel. and he's just, you know, offering them that that's who is, it is rather frightening, that they have a big a really from, you know, like a museum piece from well, 3 years ago. frightening. and it was

a frightening year and next year it's going to be even more frightening. that's all the time we have on the thing, my guessing marrakech and in budapest and i, we want to thank our viewers for watching us c, r t c. and next time, and remember across that bruce and happy new year, the people very in the environment, they grow up and some people go to where it is easy places and living very disease places. other people live in areas that have less infectious diseases. and when you grow up in an area of high attraction, since each individual strategically go to the collector, this are conservative in the

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