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we've all heard the high, they're green, they're quiet and they save us a ton of caps. but is this really the full scoop on electric vehicles? are the holy grail, or just another polish piece of jump metal? i'm 50 and you're watching the cost of everything. where today we're going to dig deep into the controversy of electric vehicles. wine is some say that they're more trouble than they're worth. and are there any dirty little secrets about those? and the c m. i on batteries, you're not going to want to miss this is going to be electric, the let's get into it today. we have the good, the bad, and the downright ugly side of electric vehicles. and to discuss today we have our guest hosts, leak a dual radio host and political strategist. well happy to join you for sure. you know, on a, on

a special day i get to actually sit beside you. so thank you so much for having. and i'm looking forward to the discussion. absolutely, we're really excited. so 1st up when i have the good and there is a lot of good to be said about tvs there. eco friendly and with gas and literally $6.00 a gallon. they're really wallet friendly as well. but it, is there anything else good about it is aside from that, well it's, it's, you know, on the radio. so we were talking about, do you have a lot of people come on? i think the, the, the, the initial claim that evolves that many people are making that for once, especially the administration, whether it's said under the job i ended administration or whether it's in california or otherwise. there is this assumption that everyone loves this. well, not exactly. and it depends on exactly where you are. i think that there is a benefits, you know, we've moved beyond just the hybrid vehicles. we're now into the, the territory. and i think we're seeing now with the difficulty, even with the infrastructure. that whether it's here in washington dc because we

had an issue trying to get those in the stations actually even billed. but the cost of even building bills. i was not aware of the cost of actually building even single e v station is the costs are just astronomical. and i don't think that people are factoring that into their support for a bees. although i do support the vehicles for sure. but the cost factor is a big issue nowadays. absolutely. and that really is the bad people aren't thinking about those costs. and for me, i live in california and we all know that it is pretty much dominated the california market that. but the bad thing is that they literally just put up a supercharger, a couple blocks away from where i live. and ever since that supercharger went into effect in march, we just had rolling blackouts all summer long. and it's basically like living in africa. so it's crazy, we never had that before. what is it? so is it that and you know, my experience is not as sure and not as great as yours,

but what is it is the issue that it just pull so much energy from the grid like how was it like you're having rolling blackouts? how to because i'm assuming they weren't in the case, it wasn't the case before they installed the station or facility or what have you. is it that it pulls so much off the energy grid? is that why we have it all so much optic energy grid and on the grid, basically, it wasn't designed to put that much energy out in the 1st place, so that we didn't have the capacity of like you said, that's an infrastructure problem. and that's a long term problem that we're going to have to solve if we want to push the e v adoption narrative. and that's really going to be a big challenge because right now we're dealing with blackouts all summer. i'm probably in the winter if people start using a heat, even though like if it's going to be a cold winter and everybody starts using heating and all, and then we're going to have the exact same problem this summer and got so bad that the governor of california, they actually encourage people to not charge their electric vehicles overnight and it's like how does that make sense? we want people to use an electric vehicle,

but now they can't get to work. yeah. and, and it's, and that is the thing that is, you know, in, i'm all for a new technology. i believe, i don't think we should be living in the dark ages when it comes to technology. but we have to be at a point where we're willing to have the type of conversations to understand that maybe we're not there just yet. and it's one thing to have this ideal within 10 years. this is what we're expecting to happy to. you may have known driving cars on the road, you know it's x number of non driving cars on the road within a 10 year span of what have you. but you have to have the mechanisms in place. you have to have the infrastructure in place to support that and we're saying that's not the case if you're somewhere in for instance, montana. well, how does that work in montana because it gets very cold in montana. i believe it was just recently snowing on just last month in montana. how does that work? if we're going to have this large p v footprint with what if, if i'm assuming, as you say, they don't necessarily perform well in colder weather? how does that work in areas that naturally don't have just the natural

infrastructure to support a business aside from a place like a california or other places like that? who may build these type of in, you know, systems. but for those who don't have it, what does it mean for them and the market, which is why they don't do well in places that aren't like a california orm florida, or other places like that. exactly. and the big question is, who's actually going to go out and build all these infrastructures? because right now, like we were talking about, it's literally just mainly tesla, who's building out the tardy stations and the super tardy stations. there's very few other companies going out and doing this, do you see, let me ask you then, because all the point right there, the fact that it's really just tesla, monopolizing this. how does it work with getting other companies even issues? because i'm imagining it's a cost issue for those companies as well, easier maybe for testing because tesla has, you know, where it is to try to do the non driving cars or even of the hybrid vehicles. it was one of the 1st ones to actually um,

roll out that type of system as far as the car is concerned. but then how do other companies get into that market if they don't have the same sort of, i guess, historical background as far as those e vehicles or this even technologies, like how do other cars get on board and i guess best buy exactly, exactly, and that's going to be the big question. a lot of that even though they say a lot of their technology is open source, they're saying that a lot of the superchargers, they're not going to be fully compatible with the other vehicles. the other areas that are coming out because it's got, it's going to be a different chart. so apparently their battery is bad to use a supercharger on other brands because her batteries are not just compatible with the way the supercharger spark. and that's going to decrease the life span of other brands. batteries? yeah. and again, i that point and because i was reading, i think it is that the batteries there, but they're much heavier than your standard v. like your standard automated

automatic vehicles that they're much heavier and that the cost of even replacing the battery. i believe. i think that the cost of even replacing the battery is very expensive. now i would love to be in a day where we could, you know, i would feel comfortable driving the vehicle from one spot to the the other. but i don't know if we're there yet and i wouldn't necessarily trust in e b. i've got to take a road trip using an ac because i may not have a charging station between here. and if i'm going to florida between here in florida, i may not have access to the charging stations. yeah, yeah. but then aside from the infrastructure problems, i do think there is some good eaves and a lot of people are buying eaves because it seems to be a lot cheaper than your traditional vehicles. and it's much easier to fill up at a gas station. so right now we're pay over a $100.00 to fill up regular metro and diesel at a gas station. and that doesn't even last the whole week for me. and the other thing is that the torque, the torque is actually pretty neat on the screen. that's

a really exciting thing, really. if you don't have a launch on a regular car, there's no such thing as a launch. so for people who've never experience an 80 or driving in and it really the torque is actually a really neat thing. the launch pad is a really, really cool feature of this, like an exciting little thing to get people like onboard. so it's a very neat experience. but aside from those like neat experiences of the fact that it's cheaper, i don't know what else is good about a these are what is driving this easy adoption? well, on the call, even on the cost issue, i wasn't aware that until i was doing the research, i'm planning for the show that in some instances it actually is cheaper to get into a vehicle than your standard vehicle. that is a benefit to that. but if you find someone, for instance who, you know, may have a job, they may live in a, you know, in a lot of people in this area they commute in, you know, from whether it's west virginia. there are people i know who i worked with and when i was in government they drove all the way from west virginia. it may not be

necessarily practical for you. so i do think as much as people express all of the challenges with e v. i still think that we should be supportive of that type of technology because at the end of the day, the technology is not changing. we can do things to benefit to, you know, to basically work around the edges to make through the day works for a larger group of people. but i don't think, you know, even though i hear people now uh like a the you know, is just going to follow. no, i don't think we should even encourage this notion that somehow, you know, it should be the end of the vehicles. i think that that type of stuff is important, but i just think that there needs to be additional, some more research and some more honesty on whether or not we're ready for it at this point. and we shouldn't have governments, which is what we're saying. even state government, pushing easy vehicles when we're not just there yet. i think we need to have more on this assessments about where we are and not just on the infrastructure side, we need to have more assessment of where we are in from what i'm saying. we're not there yet,

maybe 10 years from now. absolutely not yet. i like those me to be honest assessment because right now the entire industry is being subsidized. mm hm. so what's gonna happen to the industry when suddenly pull the subsidies away and they have to subsist naturally on their own? yeah, that's a very fair point because if you don't, those subsidies usually are provided by the government. and when you don't have those subsidies, we've seen similar things where they're within the solar industry where, you know, if there was a lot of rebate options, that if you need it, you know, solar panels and those things are good as well. solar energy, solar energy is great, but a lot of times what we see is that governments begin to push, you know, private corporations and then that kind of follows down to the consumer. but all of these things need to be considered as we talk about our role in the future of what the future looks like. so i think that there is that there are, as you said, there are some good elements for sure with the vehicles. but i think i would probably go with a hybrid vehicle versus before i would just go with the full on the vehicle. i'm not there yet just in my head,

but maybe i need to go to california to drive in the vehicle. and my mind may indeed change. all right, fair fine. thank you so much on the lake, but stick around with us. and when we come back, we're going to be joined. byron x for guest loren, fixed the car coach to discuss the future of electric vehicles. stick around because they're not gonna want to miss the the the at the end of the 18th century, great britain began to conquer and colonize australia. from the very beginning of the british penetration to the continent, natives were subjected to severe violence and deliberate,

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the welcome back is look like they're here to stay, but how to countries and communities plan to implement the infrastructure that will allow for majority ownership of electric vehicles. if that is the state of gold. so for this were joined by lauren fixed the car coast. thank you so much for being here with us. well, thank you for having me. yeah, there's a lot of questions i'd like to answer about electric vehicles that i think it's very easy to listen to the mainstream media and people think all this is great. everybody's buying electric vehicles. but there's a lot more to that. and the truth is, the numbers are far from what you think. absolutely, but 1st, let's just talk a little bit about e, v. manufacturers who have been caught tweaking their mileage gauges to make their cars seem like they're going further on a single charge than they actually are. and at the center of this is none other than a lot of musk as a research firm has found that tesla develops software so that their cars show

a false range. when the battery in their cars is above 50 percent charge. but under 50 percent, that data because more real so to the user, it looks like once he dropped the 50 percent, it empties out a lot faster. so give us a scoop there as well, cuz you mentioned that with a gas tank, you go and fill it up and you're driving along and or going to have tank and then suddenly, oh, you don't have a half quarters. hey, i think there's a panic involved. i think that would be true with any electric or gasoline powered vehicle with gasoline powered vehicles, it's based on what fuel left in the tank with electricity is based on a lot of other factors taken by distance. you've got the climate, do you have the heat on the radio on? are you charging your phone anytime or using any of those additional accessories? it's going to put more of a draw of course temperature. also it was a huge factor. it's really warm outside or if it's really cold, outside both extremes, reduce the batteries life by about a 3rd. and that's important to note whether you're living in montana like you're talking about or whether you're, you know, living in arizona and these are factors. i think that again,

aren't considered manufacturers put their numbers together. they are approved by the a, an absolutely an accurate and now the pays turning on this manufacturer is saying or use and we would get 40 miles out of this car. we're getting $275.00 and it's really off by almost 15 percent. and this is from a study from the society of automotive engineers as to e, which i happened to be a member of. and this is really important because if you did that with a car and you said, oh your car, it's 52 miles per gallon and you're getting 30, you'd be pretty upset. so you have to keep that in mind. this has to be addressed and they use these numbers called m p g. so when you look at the window sticker, you go, oh wow, 95 n p g or a 101. that's not really a fair value for you to assess it, but it should be based on mileage driven and then all those other factors. where do you live? where are you going? are you island waiting? are you running centuries? all that's going to be huge factor. so it's very difficult to get the, the true numbers on range. absolutely. when i was looking at it,

they even told me that if i roll the windows down because then it creates a drag. i get less mileage and i was like, are you kidding me? like if i roll the windows down, i'm not even using any electrical electrical components, and it's such a simple little thing, but it's crazy. no wonder range. anxiety exists because it's a real thing. and basically must created all this range exciting people because then you actually can't rely on the number the sticker that you see at the dealership or even your own dashboard. because you never know if you're going to make it to your destination. if your batteries under 50 percent. so now what is the true range of eaves these days with a technology now as well? the top range is by loose. it is just under 500 miles. have reviewed and tested all those cars. i will tell you that it's, it's far now from rankings, that it's become charging anxiety. and you said you lived in california. i live in new york and you can go places and there are no pass chargers and you don't know when you get there. if somebody is charged there or that charging station doesn't work, whether it be tough floor or any other brand, and there are

a lot of other brand. you've got a charge america, which is partly owned by volkswagen. that was part of a diesel gate thing, which i find the music until the penalty for diesel gate was to invest in electric charging company, which they make money. so again, there's a lot of, there's a blink, there's a bunch of other companies out there. but as far as fast chargers tussles fast chargers can work on other vehicles by the way, but you don't get the fast charge. you get level 2 charging. so there's really, if it's the same as any other charger bass chargers are out there and many of them don't work. so people have gotten into this charging anxiety. i get there. i'm in a rush. i can somebody's in the charging station. and jennifer granholm, who's in charge of the department of transportation energy here in the u. s. she tried to do a trip to prove that it was that it worked. but you can use these fast chargers and she thought of the be a p r nightmare. as did due to a judge and a couple of the people that have tried to including jim farley, the president of board, he's in the got to the charging stations either. they didn't work there. were somebody already parked there or they had to get someone to go ahead of them to

park there with another ghastly hard vehicle to save the spot, which caused a political nightmare for them because someone had a baby on board the right of charge. and obviously that's going to be more important than their political games. so it's really important to note, i also should have tended to important to note that in california, the highest percentage of electric vehicles is only 18 percent on the road. that's it. so while you're getting the numbers, they all everyone's buying electric vehicle, that's not true. it's still only about 4 percent of the marketplace globally. it's more another, some countries versus others. i work on a one car, the or jury. we judged the best cars in the world and in countries it absolutely does not work. india jordan pakistan, the middle east, there's no place to charge. so when everyone thinks electric vehicles are the only answer on a global basis, it doesn't even work in canada unless you live in toronto. but if you live in the northern territories or nova scotia, you're on luck. yeah, absolutely. what i pay are nightmare. that sounds and even like a personal embarrassment as well. so now, yeah,

is there any other hitting costs that we should be aware of when it comes to ease and are they even offset by the cheaper electricity costs compared to gas these days? a, well the story is they do cost less, as you said, the top of the show, but the truth is they don't. and here's why. first the costs of the vehicle on average right now and the prices are going to go up because of the u. a w straight, the average price of an electric vehicle is $66000.00. yes, you can buy them left. some don't offer the tax credit any longer. they have to be built in the us and the battery material in the us and is 2024. it's going to be a higher percentage. so more vehicles fall off the left. so tough pull will be on the left. and so he's the only winner in the besides the average cost currently at $66000.00 to gasoline power card, $52000.00. you've got higher insurance rates are much higher because of the replacement costs on that. you've got higher registration fees. dates are starting to charge for electric vehicles because you're using the roads, but you're not paying the taxes that you would pay when you pump gas. so they're starting to charge even toxic, this charging $200.00 a year. and that could add up pretty quickly,

that might be more than you would use in fuel. also, the, the electricity can be hard to find as we talked about, charging times and costs can be high. i've seen it as low as $14.00 in california. and i've seen it as high as a $100.00. so at that point there's, there's gas or electric electricity. it depends on when you charge. there's a lot of factors involved and nothing in life is free. if you said it's gonna cost you $1.00 way or the other and who's paying for the charging stations that the towns are putting in, you are in your taxes, so you're paying for it twice. also, the method of maintenance free is far from true. the tires were out quicker and the reason they do is the vehicles are heavier and this is also true with hybrid vehicles. every 10000 miles we're gonna need new tires and brake. and although no one wants to talk about it, i'm on a tire industry safety council. i'm on the global brake symposium and i will tell you, we are well aware of it. consumers have no clue that when you start to replace tires, they're no longer a $100.00 p. these are low rolling resistant tires designed for the heavier load of these heavier vehicles. and you're gonna be dropping close to a $1000.00 every time the tires,

every 10000 miles that adds up. and then of course expensive battery replacement, we talked about. the prices are as low as $8000.00 and go all the way up to $5060000.00 pay and what you're looking at. then you're also responsible for the disposal of that as you are with tires and you'll be paying that fee now. so manufactures are including 10 year 100000 mile battery warranties, which is nice. but if you buy the car used on the road, you still don't know if someone charged all the time. if it wasn't charges, just like maintenance on any vehicle, there's a lot of factors involved and people really need to think about. does this make sense? and that's why leasing these electric cars is probably your best choice. absolutely, and that was an excellent point about the tires. i totally didn't know that i'm like, i drive definitely more than 10000 miles every single year. so that is good to know . and now remember when everyone says that electric vehicles where the car, the future by 2020 and that everybody, we drive it one. well, now that obviously hasn't happened, but there are a lot more ease on the road these days. eventually, things that will come to

a nice happy mix where there will be like a certain percentage of eaves and those like stabilize in a certain percentage of petro power cars as well. right now, we have reached the tipping point. and the tipping point is that what you think it is, uh, those people that were early adopters who one and one, they got one, and now you're seeing vehicles that i'm a lot. so if you, we have what's called a roll over. so we know how long carpets on a lot so typically by 30 days in carson that long the dealers makes money and manufactures produce more product, they fill those blog. here's the problem. we've got vehicles like the jaguar, i paste sitting there for $373.00 days. that's not selling that the year on the lot and they're paying finance charges on that. uh chevy volt dvd's go pretty good because they're lower cost point for many of these vehicles, mercedes audi. the ford lightning are sitting there for 6 months before they're sold. i went to the local dealers in our area. there was a nissan, we've kind of been sitting there 9 months and when i showed interest, i thought it was going to buy it. the toyota, b z for x has been

a total disaster. the volkswagen id for the just not selling or sitting on life. and consumers are not coming and asking or asking for hybrid vehicles like the toyota prius. that's a really popular car. you're getting almost 60 miles per gallon. you can get a plug in hybrid or just a hybrid. and people kind of like not having to plug it in. absolutely. well, thank you so much. lauren, fix car coach. thank you. a while now. welcome back in the league that was super insightful but let's just continue on. the law must bashing training just a little longer go for so as learning mentioned, maintenance is a very big expense when it comes to a lifetime of your vehicle. while your average joe can work on a federal power vehicle because the mode or the basic motor hasn't changed in centuries. but e, v is, are basically specialized computers and require software and agents to actually work on a this can quickly add up to $800.00 to a $1000.00 a year in maintenance. and fortunately,

if you bought it from tesla must even has their version department. so that they actually cancel a lot of these appointments. so there's a wait time to even get your vehicle serviced by these companies, ilan, musk and the monopoly. is that what you're referring to here in warren makes a very good point about the, the, the costs that actually because it's not just the initial cost of the vehicle. typically when you purchase a petro vehicle, it is, you know, you may say ok, well every now and again, i'll have to get some type of maintenance. i'll have to get, you know, maybe the engine or something flushed or something like that, but the cost is so much more exorbitant when you're talking about ease and again, cost will always be an issue for the consumer. it's not always an issue for the actual um, the manufacturer, but cost will always be an issue for consumers. and as we see, even with for us is the tesla vehicles they've had now these much lower price and models for the tests looks because they realize that they are more expensive model

that they came out with initially that people simply cannot afford that. but if you can't afford the basic maintenance on the vehicle, it is not going to encourage you to go out and purchase the purchase the vehicle and you won't believe what maybe manufacturers, for. i'd say these marketers say that everybody, lindsay, you know, everybody's in to there's no, everybody is not into it. and i think there needs to be more testing. there needs to be more done to actually bring the costs down on the maintenance side. because if you have an alarm, us having a monopoly over it, not whether that sharing technology or not, you don't even have the a maintenance technician, you know, you go to school, you could actually, um, the like a trade school or something you could focus on for instance things like you're being able to operate on cars, whether that's at a toyota plan or a bmw station or anything like that. but with easy, there is no such thing. and so we have to catch up even on the education front as well. absolutely. excellent point, thank you so much,

really for being here with us today. thanks for having made so much fun. and despite all of this is are continuing to grow in popularity as social media and heavy marketing continues to show the screen agenda down our throats. now i'm off, we're going rain, but i'm also about practicality and ease. just are practical for everyone, yet the current sitting grid is built to handle it. and despite all of this, automakers are all competing to create the flashes. most high tech e v with the most teacher a stick from like body and we're talking about augmented reality, windshields and cars that practically drive themselves. so very cool stuff. but it seems to me that it's all pretty packaging and extra frills man to distract you. i'm christy, i. thanks for watching it. we'll see you right back here. next time on the cost of everything.

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