the the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered non peter lavelle. the calendar is change, but the trends we observed last year continue with this into the new year. change is in the air and the powers that be in politics and media are resisting. the status quote is being tested. this is what could make 2024, a watershed year. the discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess. jordan sent me away in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the capital which can be found on youtube and locals and america. yes, we have mark jay. he is an award winning journalist and commentator. quite gentleman,

costs up rules and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it. all right, so start out with george and in budapest you know, the end of last year going into the new year. so there's a sudden a sense of foreboding out there. a lot of commentators, what is some of the new and i am very much admired respect. tucker carlson is been saying this and the number of other people they think they're looking at 2024 as a certainly a year of change that certainly that's an understatement. okay. but we have also, um, the bold attempt to finish out the us presidential election in the both. his name is donald trump. and in my lifetime, i have never seen it such a political come back. i mean, this is almost like nixon in 68. trump left the office with the deplorable public opinion approval. now's doing really quite well, george, for you. yes. is the right to use the word for boating because we really are in on charge of was, is, i mean we have

a presidential candidate. we're the one most of the when the uh, nomination of his party. um, he's got full criminal cases pending against them. um, some of them may what are the trials may will take place before the election? um and uh is that there was an absolute determination to stop him. um, biden. yeah, they who the president who is well, who actually runs the justice department, has made it clear that he intends to stop them and not by the, you know, by any means possible. and this is really very dangerous because um trump has his follow is very, very loyal followers. and they will not just sit still full the whole how big of a president by the use of law said by the use of the justice department by going

off to him with criminal charges that they've never been brought against the former president. and then you will have to one the, well, what happens when all of these methods of destroying trump fail? i mean, they like, you know, not just the criminal cases, but for instance, trying to take him off the, the ballot like it's never been done. but you know, what with once they top right now they're trying to take him off the about of that you really have a very, very explosive mix. who knows how that's going to play in? oh no. so that's good. but, you know, martin, this is an interesting thing about american politics. the america is actually a cool, very decentralized because we have a federal republic of states. but we are 2 things americans do when unison, they should pay taxes. okay. and i'm only office the entire country. collectively, the lex is the president and vice president as a ticket. and this is the only collective thing left politically in the united

states. and as george has just said here, taking a major candidate off the ballot. well, with no good, understandable, reasonable reason is your courting, not just chaos, but worse than chaos more. yeah. why you're afraid to say a civil war. that's what we're talking about. yeah, we shouldn't forget america's young country as well. it's a great country, busy young country. and i think, you know, there are so many, what is when we look at this situation with trump and you're just re system, you know, a lot of new ground to be broken. um, but it is it, i agree, it is very worried that if he actually gets nailed on the face of these bus prosecutions, i'm faces jail time that there's no good scenario that there's not there's no, there's no solution. so cool solution for the country or for by know anybody,

you know, um, but there's a listing thing that keeps coming through that. what i've noticed though is that every time trump gets one of these cases against him, there's popularity, souls. and so you've got this kind of, you know, what i'm, i'm sure, even even sleepy joe biden, who just last week did his thing again of finishing a speech turning around, facing a blank screen. just sort of looking at the blank screen, wondering when someone would jump through and shake his handle, give him an ice cream or something. here it is. getting worse. senility is really set to him. you know, 111 does what, what with a, he's what this outs, whether the by and people actually sort of said, actually we're in a clear and a catch 22 situation. now we, oh, we're in a whole, i'm with digging. and so the outcome is only going to be about um, but you know, none of us go to crystal noticed and say what looks actually going to happen. i, i think it will be really fascinating to see how this plays up. but again, is it just me as a photo looking out looking in and i'm,

it seems to me that there's a lot of corruption introduced usually system, you know, $11.00 politics. so just taking it over and i think that might be a basis of of until the, the country telling a new leaf you know, with the next generation versus now oscar for develop the politics be taken completely out of the appeals process. us. well, george, i mean the, the, the, the interesting fact is we go into this year and we look at american politics. is that if you, if you look over the last, like 3040 years where, you know, wages of stagnated a good paying blue collar jobs virtually disappeared. and you have a younger generations plural. so they don't feel like they have any static in the game anymore. um uh, a lot of young people believe that they'll never be able to own their own home. we have an ideology of live live with less and you'll be happy. well as old rich people say that, okay, no, that's a kind of

a long introduction to is the democracy deficit. i mean, the last thing you have is the vote. but if you're not allowed to exercise your vote and what's this whole thing more? what's the whole system worse to me? this? exactly right. and this, um, essentially decline in the style of the light. i mean, right? but, you know, america was always held up to be the paradigm of a wealthy, successful country. and it'd be, you know, the people in europe, we're growing up in the 56, the seventy's ages think it will handle america. that's where people are making money. that's where it was a dynamic economy that isn't there anymore. and uh and, and that's actually, it is like a stagnating empire where you have a, a, you know, a fast ruling, a lead that is doing very well, making, making the level of money um and uh, and hope it didn't help. it didn't hurt the money. and then it was use,

the agenda is which is the green agenda that's sort said just fine book is obviously hurting. most americans who been one way or another, defend all name and manufacturing industry. that requires a lot of energy that isn't provided that by the alternative recycle feels that they say elite is a espousing. and a that's explains the, the rise of donald trump. i mean, the trump is somehow is promising. well, we'll go back to the arrow when, you know we, we were doing well when we, when, when we were held up to be a, it's a power and i'm all this a successful country and it's very interest, st. george. and so you know, when you, we have these populous figures around the world, you know, victor or better mom is been dumped on a lot. but we have this a new leadership in, in slovakia. and they're always called the be their version of trump, which is

a metaphor for dissatisfaction with the status go. i want to change gears cuz there's so much we need to talk about in so little time. when they tell us a big birthday coming up, does he have a big birthday? you know, when people get to that age, they usually retire, but nato decides they keep going here. what's gonna happen? i mean, this is a make or break one for them. you know, they did their last year with the ukraine ice in give and they've, as we speak right now, there's nothing to cheer about right home about when it comes to ukraine. so nato is really god himself in a jam, of course, it. but itself, there it's self inflicted or yeah, i've, i've said before, i'm did i think that there's 2 scenarios where the for the minutes of us a on is a nature, finds a solution to ukraine. it won't be a great solution. but a solution, some sort of solution where it can present itself to the international community, basically vs its way through whatever they've done. and you know,

they'll claim like of some sort of victory if they can stop the fighting if they can claim credits to the credit for the stuff in the fighting. that will be what they will present or they will hit us with like news. they'll actually fake the entire thing and i'm sure the media people now are actually working out how we can spend this, you know, who we can whelan can i watch on this? we get on board. they must have planning it now. i'm absolutely certain there's going to be a lot of fake news leading up to june about may. so, and what is dawn and what is the cheese? you know, the items going to be that doing the city handshakes. and probably, i think ukraine may, will be just completely abreast of the whole thing. cuz you gotta remember that no matter how much we, for the ukraine, you know, how do you place goodness, you know, absorbed themselves in the subject. most americans don't remember anything about you. claim missing rep is unaware. it is on the map. you know? so they might be thinking, actually if we just stop reporting on your crime, like i judge, you're in a better uh, expert outlets. so it was the new york times of the washington post that took that

subject off their menu bar. they just, i think was last the last week of the year that the tab that you have that you've been in ukraine knows they dropped it. okay. and what are they preparing for it that preparing us for george? well, i, i do then to thing, and i've said this before, then they will push for ukraine, a membership in nato. what's, you know, less of ukraine then i wouldn't be able to incorporate those spots of, uh, ukraine then, and i lost the, in the, you know, the, uh, the full of bless that that will be incorporated in the russian federation. but then they will say, well, this spot is now in nato. and they say they say, well, we achieve something. um, and the thing is, uh, you know, made. so for them, this is the, the goose that lays the golden egg. it is, you know, gives a russian alpha and beta. well, you know, we need to keep going because of the russian strap. you know this,

this is an existential threat for us. and the peddling the store in our, you know, throughout native land. but russia poses a threat to us, you know, at any moment, you know, they can attack deadlock, i can look back germany, we need nato now more than ever. and for the united states, they still are determined. i honestly think they strategic definitive ross. yep. so give you the last, and you, great thing with this family that we view is your argument. and martin's argument together is that, like russia is obviously a threat to nato land, but think an airbrush ukraine out of it. okay. because we know what the russians are up to. is there an a, an amalgam there, george? well, i don't think because of them. if they just simply abandon ukraine, then they would have to worry that the entirety of your brain will be taken over by russia. that will be a huge strategic escalation box to do that, but there is no other may still be on the geo political influence, a russian that they'll come up with some leadership kind of what, what they,

nato would call the quick lane leadership in key. if some metric choke or iris stove, which like vega would be basically doing the bidding of moscow, that's how they would spin this way. so that's the, that's how they would see it. and therefore this would be a strategic defeat for nate. so i don't think that that's the operative word strategic would be. but for whom gentlemen i have to jump in here, we're gonna go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion about the new year. stay with our team, the,

the russian states. never see as tight as one of the most sense community best ingles, all sun set up the same assistance to progress be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz phone, even our video agency,

roughly all the band on youtube tv services. what question did you say a request to change the welcome back to across that were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is a home addition to mind. you were discussing the year 2024. the all right, let's go back to a martin the america. um. unfortunately, we conflict in gaza. the continues. and how is this going to change your region of the world where you live? because, you know, we've, you know, we've often heard the narrative bit, you know,

era believes they've never really been particularly interested in the face of the palestinian people. but their people do, i mean when democracy isn't the they, they may a political system that comes to mind when you think of the greater middle east. okay. so the, the, the error of the street, if i can use that term, i know a lot of people don't like it, but there is a very strong feeling about what's going on and cause in the how it relates to how they see the outside world, particularly the west? well in my view it's gonna turn the clock back to the pre 1991 where we had the site, the cohort. i think there's going to be an intensive. so i level of division diverse devices subject, you know? yes, our countries, particularly some of the leads who have really sold themselves on the whole palestinian story like um, anyone into p o m b as in saudi arabia, there's them being a palestine is a really big part of the political identity. those, those leaders are gonna have

a hard time, the best thing with the realities of what's going on. but i think we might seen emergence adult from perhaps, um, not, no such a. what i'm trying to say is that something which we, i'm a secretive sort of emotions, authorise coalition, or some of these are countries that my will fund terrace activities with homeless in the future. so that may, will come from iran. cutoff will to a key. but, you know, looking at the rest of the world, what you see is now division. you know, you've got some countries that, uh, really making a stand against what's going on. like, uh, i'll just area, for example. um, um, any other countries let morocco hear an m or us who uh mails to the bed, posts of the how whoa is ready do unfortunately they're in too deep, you know, they've invested too much business wise, you know,

and so forth. so and the last division we can expect, and i think the, the breaking point of this, the sub dishes plan i think, which is on the way you know, which might take months to get off the ground. but i think that's happening against as well. but again, it look like, look on the region, you know, you, you can probably put a bet on job bind to missing things up and just escalate to the situation even further because it just makes space of the last week or so we're, we're, we're, we're talking about american, forget some aircraft carriers taking potshots who tease in the resi, you know, and then we're even talking about pitching or it's happened actually, you know, there was a white house. and depending on the reporters, on a number of us as strikes on a rainy back commission in the rack. so we're almost there. you know, we've been to the, what we've seen at george over ever since the, the, and the global war on terror outside of israel,

who does the united states count on in the middle east now. i mean, i'm not sure the list is very long. right? a rack told them to leave, they won't leave in the united states illegally occupied as part of, of syria, the saudis. oh they're, they're pretty moody. they can go. but they have a lot of leverage right now. okay. and they shown very little respect for the pub by the administration. very but or this exactly right. um, but the lease is here, the hills. the sad part of this is that in the united states that has been no changes. oh, i mean, if you look at congress, it's still 90 percent, maybe 95 percent. absolutely. unequivocally behind is what it means that it can do anything. i mean this i participate. you know that tomorrow just released a nuclear weapons and you still get the 95 percent per se. we must stand with is around. you know that the is where this white thing for its existence and nothing

can change that. and it's, it's, it's so slowly, as you know, for looks of the mid lease, i mean, the of publicity is modern describes of these divisions. but the fact is that, you know, with, with many of the lease arrow countries. no, i haven't even broken diplomatic relations with israel. i mean i, they so they can be continuing the same way. i mean, they haven't said, oh we now renounce the abraham the codes that say, you know, this was the, you know, we made a huge mistake. this is a for reflect terrible state that we've uh, established diplomatic role inches. that hasn't ended. so yeah, they make these condemnations that go to the united nations maple the right noises, but in practical times, but haven't really done anything. i mean, it's a whole, i mean i'm us and the hooters. and then the other ones were actually doing something address that issue. because then you, you really have this division between the leads that have their very specific interest. and then everybody else then for everybody else,

this issue of palestine is paramount. yeah, i think come on, george mentioned the practical level. the practical level i think is not going to come from the political leads on the practical level is gonna come from people, individuals. you know who, who would want to be in his really, businessman now traveling around them, at least, you know, i mean, there is a hell of a kick, but there's a lot of anti semitism now which is frothing the surface. and i'm where i am in morocco. now you house inside a political bodies now representing hundreds, thousands of people who are cooling now. full is riley's, who have joined possible to america to now actually lose the citizenship, american citizenship. so it's, it's pointing up in some places and it's a little, there's a contradiction around the time. you know, i'm officially head morocco was, he's fine. do you see that? but a lot of you got to you have a huge amount of number of people who are really unhappy about that. and so i think on a practical level, you're gonna see a lot of resistance. just look at the internet, just go to facebook and see the informal level of boycotting is what has gone

through now is not just to twos taking pot shots of the ships. it's, you know, countries and people all around the world. a boy cutting their products and really campaigning quite vociferously. you know, i mean, there's a lot of awareness now out there on facebook. google is really product, so i'm noticing the range of products. but companies that support is right as well . and as a distinction to, so the practical level is the political leads will have to recognize this. at some point, when they head towards the elections, they have to recognize the millions of people who don't sign up to that. what judge cool? the 95 percent of congress backing israel, you know, so there will be a turning point at some point. i'm not in 2024 is incredibly interesting. not just because you've got by them heading to the pulse. if he does, if he actually makes it, i'm still not sure. you know, with this, the middle it see the way it is. i mean, is how many times can we mess up? you know, before the democrats suddenly panic of the last moment. but don't forget to go to europe in elections in june as well. and this is much, much bigger in my view because, you know,

adults mentioned earlier about the fatigue, you know, assessing in across the america. and now the system seems to be slowing down. and there's a lack of confidence now in the political elite sooner, but in, in, in, in europe, that trends that transcends into people voting for, for right groups as a present practice. right. so you mentioned earlier about fall, right, the populace leaders now, you know, i've got another one in the netherlands, which is just one. and i'm president, i'm president a number of seats. i'm my political friends in belgium and telling me this is going to have an impact on the firm's block in the ocean as well. and so, you know, watch the elections in june in the european parliament because that is going to be a deal breaker for. well, it's really interesting, georgia in budapest year. it's interesting watching the political landscape changing in europe and the other lands we have of the alternative for germany party under pressure by the government. we had changing government slovakia. we had an

attempted re colored revolution inside in serbia, but there's one political figure that stands in the same place watching the landscape change. let's preserve a of the vicar, or by the end of the he blazed the trail and all those products. but the curious thing is about these, um, you know what, what are the uh, the, the far right populace is that while on russia and ukraine, they say no, i have. so this has nothing to do with us. this is really stupid to europe when it comes to israel, avail, very strangely, uh, pro israel, you know, or band band any pro palestinian demonstrations. um, the quoted with the united states and united nation. exactly, the general assembly of build is also very uh, pro is right. um and uh it's, it's a piano and it goes if, if the reformed body of this is nigel for raj, a spot it stands in the,

the u. k. elections for ours is also very pro israel. so this is kind of a, a, it's like just junction navigate to the right, which again, hey, russia, there's nothing to do with that. that's stupid to fight with them. but they've very much in the tank for around israel. so you know, it's hard to know how all these things are a kind of doing a shakeup. um and then again in the united states. yes. i mean, no question by them. there's lots of lots of support within his own party who were a very unhappy about his stance. so i'm garza, but you could all do those people. you tell them if you don't vote for by then trump terrible. trump is going to come back to the church that i the i or need to it's a trump is very pro is free about exactly the other one. yeah. yeah, that's right. it, they don't martin. and that's one of the things that i find really disheartening is

that conservatives who used to be of the biggest defenders of free speech or now some of the biggest the oppressors of re speech in it all revolves around this issue of israel. what is and ty summit is i'm, i think most people have no idea what zine is and really means and how it does kind of short circuits. abby: the discourse george's just mentioned that it just shuts down to by just not gonna assume you sort of the somebody as soon as you throw that into into the argument, you know. yeah. and the other person is supposed to stop talking and we don't really understand anything beyond down, you know, i've seen this in the u. k. a lot was debate about some racism and been totalled up . i'm a victim of it, but i'm, it's true. i don't think it's a conservative thing or left wing. all right, we thing, i think it some that leads generally in my experience as a journalist like i'm like they, they tend to hop on about freedom of speech until they buy some of the os. you know,

and then there's a problem and then, and then the lawyers get wheeled out and get paid, you know, close to the amounts of money to fix the problem. i'm, but so, you know, free speech looking back, you know, last year. and now looking ahead to 2024, i wonder how much freedom of expression will play a role in disputes, political movement. these changes that we're witnessing, you know, whether people completely a band and mainstream media and just go by, you know, it's interesting, unfortunately, gonna have to end on this. no, but george, you know, i hope that you know, in future generations they won't turn back and say, you know, like us on, on, on cross talk. you those with the days when they had freedom of speech, it must have been great. 5 seconds, george, go ahead. yeah, i think it may well be the way it would be very resuming 12 months. time was a well now it's really, really dangerous. you know, when it, when i'm not able to get any kind of free speech anymore. so yeah, this is uh, this one definitely could, i think is going to get was, i think it's a,

i didn't say it was and it was unfortunately, so then we got the end on that depressing note. i went, i think, my guess in america and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember, the prospect leads of the, the

known in vietnam american war, the vietnam war lost it for almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time between now and then. you don't see it now. why it's all on the empty hundreds of thousands of american troops who was sent to the country to bank the south vietnamese on me. i don't know about that not, but the american soldiers murdered resistors. most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. lee laid up day bye. all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah. yeah. that's that way too

late. but yeah, the more than 20, while a simians are reported killed the enemies rarely, astride on rough la city in gaza. the death toll exceeds 21000 with an estimated 55000 people injured. the doctor in rough uh, insects border describes how locals are struggling to survive. many wounded children, a child and his father came to meet. they were the only ones left alive from the whole family. he is missing one quarter of his school and almost no wise. there are many such cases, it's hard and painful to watch. the 10 people are dead after the idea of struck the southern guns and see the outcome unit increase the.