stays away, but what will the political wins bring? 2020 for a more equitable world or, or substance of resistance. my western melodies cross talk to base that the the hello and welcome to cross talk. were all things are consider 9 people about the calendar is changed, but the trends we observe last year continue with this into the new year. change is

in the hair and the powers that be in politics and media are resisting. the status quote is being tested. this is what could make 2024, a watershed year. the to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess, jordan samuel way in budapest, he's a pod cast with the capital which can be found on youtube and locals and america. yes, we have mark jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator. gentleman costs up rules and effect. that means you can jump the time you want and i always appreciate it. right, so start out with george and in budapest you know, the end of last year going into the new year. so there's a certain sense of foreboding out there. a lot of commentators was something new and i am very much admired respect. tucker carlson has been saying this and a number of other people they think they're looking at 2020 for as a certainly

a year of change that certainly that's an understatement. okay. but we have also, um, the bold attempt to banish out the us presidential election in the both. his name is donald trump. and in my lifetime, i have never seen it such a political come back. i mean, this is almost like nixon in 68 trunk left the office with the deplorable public opinion and approval. now's doing really quite well, george, for you. yes. is the right to use the word for boating because we really are in the uncharted waters. i mean, we have a presidential candidate, we're the homeless of new when the nomination of his party, he's got full criminal cases pending against them. um, some of them may what are the trials may will take place before the election. um and uh, is there, there was an absolute determination to stop the biden,

the who, the president who is well, who actually runs the justice department, has made it clear that he intends to stop them and not by the, you know, by any means possible. and this is really very dangerous because of trump has his follow is very, very loyal followers. and they will not just sit still full the whole the how big of a president by the use of law said by the use of the justice department by going off to him with criminal charges that they've never been brought against the former president. and then you will have to wonder, well, what happens when all of these methods of destroying trump fail? i mean, they like, you know, not just the criminal cases, but for instance, trying to take him off the, the balance again. it's never been done. but you know what with one state offer another trying to take him up to about that is you really have a very,

very explosive mix. who knows how that's going to play in? oh no. so that's good. but, you know, martin, this is an interesting thing about american politics. the america is actually a cool, very decentralized because we have a federal republic of states. but we're trying to think americans do when unison, they use, you should pay taxes. okay. and they only office the entire country. collectively, the lex is the president and vice president as a ticket. and this is the only collective thing left politically in the united states. and as george has just said here, taking a major candidate off the ballot. well, with no good, understandable, reasonable reason is your courting, not just chaos, but worse than chaos. martin? yeah. why you're afraid to say a civil war. that's what we're talking about. yeah,

we shouldn't forget america's young country as well. it's a great country because the young country and i think, you know, there was so many what is when we look at this situation with trump and you're just re system, you know, loading your ground to be broken. um, but it is, it's, i agree, it is very worried that if he actually gets mailed on the face of these post prosecutions and faces jail time that there's no good scenario. there's not, there's no, there's no solution. so cool solution for the country or for by know anybody, you know, um, but there's missing thing that keeps coming through that. what i've noticed though is that every time trump gets one of these cases against him, his popularity, souls. and so you've got this kind of, you know, what i'm, i'm sure, even even sleepy joe biden, who just last week did his thing again of finishing a speech turning around facing a blank screen. i'm just sort of looking at the blank screen wondering when someone would jump through and check is how handle like human ice cream or something here

he's just, he's getting worse scenarios. he's really set to him. you know, 111 does what, what with a, he's worked this out with his bite and people have actually, so the said actually we're in a clear and a catch 22 situation now we, oh, we're in a whole, i'm with digging. and so the outcome is only going to be about um, but you know, none of us go to crystal notice can say what looks actually going to happen. i, i think it will be really fascinating to see how this plays up. but again, is it just me as a photo looking out looking in the i'm, it seems to me that there's a little corruption introduced usually system, you know, $11.00 of the politics of just taking it over. and i think that might be a basis of some of the comforts attending a new leaf and it will the next generation votes is now awesome for develop the politics be taken completely out of the appeals process. well, george, i mean the, the, the, the interesting fact is we go into this year and we look at american politics. is

that if you, if you look over the last, like 3040 years where, you know, wages of stagnated, i'm a good paying blue collar jobs and virtually disappeared. and you have a younger generations, plural. so they don't feel like they have any static in the game anymore. um uh, a lot of young people believe that they'll never be able to own their own home. we have an ideology of live live with less and you'll be happy. well as old rich people say that, okay, no, that's a kind of a long introduction to is the democracy deficit. i mean, the last thing you have is the vote. but if you're not allowed to exercise your vote, then what's this whole thing more? what's the whole system worst to me? exactly, right. and this, um, essentially decline in the style of the light. i mean, right? but, you know, america was always held up to be the power that and of a wealthy,

successful country. and it'd be, you know, be people in europe. we're growing up in the 5060 seventy's ages, think it will handle america. that's where people are making money. that's where it was a dynamic uh, economy that isn't there anymore. and uh and, and this actually, it is like a stagnating empire where you have a, a, you know, a fast ruling, a lead that is doing very well, making, making a level of money, um and then and hope it didn't help. it didn't hurt the money. and then it was use the an agenda is which is the green agenda that's sort said just fine, but is obviously hurting. most americans who been one way or another, defend all name and manufacturing industry. that requires a lot of energy that isn't provided by the alternative recycle fuels, but they say elite is a espousing, and a that's explains the,

the rise of donald trump. i mean, the trump is somehow is promising. well, we'll go back to the arrow when, you know, we, we were doing well when we, when, when we were held up to be a, it's a power and i'm all this a successful country. and it's very interesting. george is that, you know, when you, we have these populous figures around the world, you know, victor or better. mom is been dumped on a lot. and we have this a new leadership in, in slovakia. and they're always called the, their version of trump, which is a metaphor for dissatisfaction with the status go. i want to change gears because there's so much we need to talk about in so little time. when they tell us a big birthday coming up this, he has a big birthday, you know, when people get to that age, they usually retire, but nato decides they keep going here. what's gonna happen? i mean, this is a make or break one for them. you know, they did their i of last year with the frames i see in the and then as we speak

right now, there's nothing to cheer about right home about when it comes to ukraine. so nato is really got itself in a jam, of course it. but it's self there, it's self inflicted or yeah, i've, i've said before, i'm did i think that there's 2 scenarios where the for the minutes of us, i always uh, need to find a solution you cry. and um, it won't be a great solution. but a solution, some sort of solution where it can present itself to the international community, basically vs its way through whatever they've done. you know, they'll claim that they've got some sort of victory if they can stop the fighting if they can claim the credits and the credit for the stuff in the fighting. that will be what they will present or they will hit us with like news. they'll actually fake the entire thing and i'm sure the media people now are actually working out how we can spend this, you know, who we can whelan, you know what you on this we get on board. they must have planning it now, and i'm absolutely certain there's going to be a lot of stakes news leading up to june about may. so,

and what is donald was achieved? you know, the items going to be the doing the city handshakes. and probably, i think you claim may, will be just completely abreast of the whole thing. cuz you gotta remember that no matter how much we for the ukraine, you know, how do you a political knows, you know, absolved themselves in the subject. most americans don't remember anything about your crime, listen, represent to where it is on the map. you know, so they might be thinking, actually if we just stop reporting on your crime, like i judge you're in a better expert outlets. it was the new york times of the washington post. the took that subject off their menu bar. they just, i think was last the last week of the year that the tab that you have that you've been in your brain knows they dropped it. okay. or what are they preparing for it? the preparing us for george? well, i, i do dentist thing, and i've said this before, then they will push for ukraine, a membership, nato. what's, you know,

let's of ukraine. then i wouldn't be able to incorporate those spots of, uh, ukraine then, and i lost the in the, you know, the, uh, the full of blessed that we incorporated in the russian federation. but then they will say, well, this bob is now in nato. and they say the bible, we achieve something. um and the thing is a, you know, made so for them this is the, the goose that lays the golden egg. it is, you know, gives a russian alpha and beta. well, you know, we need to keep going because of the russians, right? you know this, this is an existential threat for us and the peddling the story now, you know, throughout native land but rational poses a threat to us. you know, at any moment, you know, they can attack deadlock, i can look back germany, we need nato now more than ever. and for the united states, they still are determined on inflicting vespa. t j defeats on russia. so can you tell me the last thing you agree with this,

about how we hope that we use your argument in a martin's argument together? is that, like russia is obviously a threat to nato land, but thinking the air pressure you cream out of it. okay? because we know what the russians are up to is, is there a, an amalgam there, george? well, i don't think is because of them. if they just simply abandon ukraine, then they would have to worry that the entirety of your brain will be taken over by russia. that will be a huge strategic the box to do that. but there is no other may still be on the geopolitical influence of russian that they'll come up with some leadership that kind of what, what they need to with goals, the quiz. leadership being to have some method choke or iris stove, which like vega would be basically doing the bidding of moscow. that's how they would spin this, where they said that's the that's how they would see it. and therefore this would be a strategic defeat for nate. so i don't think that that's the operative word strategic would be. but for whom gentlemen i have to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break will continue our discussion about the new here. stay with our team,

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veterans ready to forgive? yes, yes. that's a ways to the the welcome back to across that were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is a home addition to mind. you were discussing the year 2024, the all right, let's go back to a martin america. um, unfortunately, your conflict in god's a continues. and how is this going to change your region of the world where you

live? because, you know, we've, you know, we've often heard the narrative, but you know, era believes they've never really been particularly interested in the face of the palestinian people. but there people do. i mean, when democracy isn't the, the, then the political system that comes to mind when you think of the greater middle east. okay. so the b i the hair of street, if i can use that term, i know a lot of people don't like it, but there is a very strong feeling about what's going on and cause in the how it relates to how they see the outside world, particularly the west, well, in my view is gonna turn the clock back to the pre 1991. when we had the site, the coal i so i think there's going to be an intensified level of division diverse devices subject. you know? yes, our countries, particularly some of the leads who have really sold themselves on the whole palestinian story like um, anyone into p o m b as in saudi arabia, the and being

a palestine is a really big part of the political identity. those, those leaders are gonna have a hard time, the best thing with the realities of what's going on. but i think we might seen emergence adult from perhaps, um, not, no such a. what i'm trying to say is of something which we, i'm a secretive sort of emotions. authorise coalition of some of these are countries that might, will fund terrace activities with homeless in the future. so that may, will come from iran cutoff. we'll talk about, you know, looking at the rest of the world. what you see is now division. you know, you've got some countries that, uh, really making a stands against what's going on like a i was area for example. um, um, any other country like morocco here an m or us who uh,

mails to the bed. posts of the hill ho is ready. do unfortunately they're in too deep. you know, they've invested too much business wise, you know, and so forth. so and the last division we can expect, and i think the, the breaking point of this sort of dishes plan i think, which is on the way you know, which might take months to get off the ground. but i think that's happening against israel. but, you know, look like, look on the region, you know, you, you can probably put a bet on job bind to missing things up and just escalate to the situation even further because it's just a mix space with last week. also, we're, we're, we're talking about american, forget some aircraft carriers taking potshots who tease interests see, you know, and then we're even talking about pitching or it's happened actually, you know, there was a white house and depending on the reporters or the number of us strikes on a rainy back from issues in the rack. so we're almost there. you know, we've been to it, but we've seen the george over. yeah, ever since the,

the and the global war on terror outside of israel, who does united states count on in the middle east now? i mean, i'm not sure the list is very long. right. a rack told them to leave. they won't leave in the united states illegally occupied as part of, of syria, the saudis. oh they're, they're pretty moody. they can go. but they have a lot of leverage right now. okay. it may sound very little respect for the pub by the administration very. but in this exactly, right, i believe literally since here there feels the sad part of this is that in the united states, there's been no change at all. i mean, if you look at congress, it's still 90 percent, maybe 95 percent. absolutely. unequivocally behind is what i mean. so it can do anything. i mean, it's just, you know, the, the tomorrow or just the release the nuclear weapons and you still get the 95

percent per se. we must done with is around the, you know, that the is where this white thing for its existence and nothing can change that it's, it's a, it's so polling as you know for looks of the mid lease. i mean the of publicity is modern. describes of these divisions, but the fact is that, you know, with, with many of the lease arrow countries now haven't even broken diplomatic relations with israel. i mean i, they, so they can be continuing the same way. i mean, they haven't said, oh we now renounce the abraham the codes that say, you know, this is, you know, we made a huge mistake. this is a for risk big terrible state that we've uh, established diplomatic relations hasn't ended. so yeah, they make these condemnations that go to the united nations maple the right noises, but in practical times, but haven't really done anything. i mean, it's a whole, i mean, i'm us and the hooters. and then the other ones were actually doing something address that issue because then you, you really have this division between the leads that have their very specific

interest. and then everybody else then for everybody else, this issue of palestine is paramount. yeah, i think come on, george mentioned practical level. the practical level i think is not going to come from political leads on the practical level is gonna come from people, individuals, you know, who, who would want to be in his really business. but now traveling around them, at least, you know, i mean, there was a hell of a kick, but there's a lot of anti semitism now, which is fussing at the surface. and i'm where i am in morocco. now you house inside the political parties not representing hundreds of thousands of people who are cooling now. for is riley's who have joined possible. it's a marker to now actually lose the citizenship, the american citizenship. so it's, it's pointing up in some places and it's a little, there's a contradiction around the time. you know, i'm officially head morocco way. was his way to see that. but a lot of you got to you have a huge amount of number of people who are really unhappy about that. and so i think on a practical level, you're going to see

a low resistance. just look at the incident, just go to facebook and see the informal level of boy coating is what has gone through now is not just hutus taking pot shots of the ships. it's, you know, countries and people all around the world of boy cutting their products. and really come painting quite vociferously. you know, i mean, there's a lot of awareness now out there on facebook. google is really product. so i'm noticing the range of products. the companies that support is right as well. and as a distinction to. so the practical level is the political leads will have to recognize this at some point, when they head towards elections, they have to recognize the millions of people who don't sign up to that. well, george cooled the 95 percent of congress, backing israel. you know, so there will be a turning point at some point. i'm not in 2024 is incredibly interesting. not just because you've got by them heading to the polls. if he does, if he actually makes it, i'm still not sure. you know, with this civility, the way it is, i mean, is how many times can we mess up, you know,

before the democrats suddenly panic of the last moment. but don't forget, you got your p and elections in june as well. and this is much, much bigger in my view because, you know, adults mentioned earlier about fatigue, you know, assessing in across the america. and now the system seems to be slowing down. and there's a lack of confidence now in the political elite sooner. but in, in, in, in europe, that trends that transcends into people voting for, for right groups as a present practice. right. so you mentioned earlier about fall, right, either the populace leaders now, you know, got another one in the netherlands which is just one. and i'm president, i'm president a number of seats. i'm my and political friends in belgium and telling me this is going to have an impact on the firm's blow condition as well. and so, you know, watch the elections in june in the european parliament because that is going to be a deal breaker for. well, it's really interesting, george here in budapest here, it's interesting watching the political landscape changing in europe and the other

lands we have of the alternative for germany party, under pressure by the government. we had a change in government slovak, you, we had an attempted re colored revolution and sent in serbia. but there's one political figure that stands in the same place watching the landscape change. so that's a picture of a, of the vicar or by henry he blazed the trail and others products. but the curious thing is about these. um, you know what, what are the uh, the, the far right uh, populace is that while on russia and ukraine they say no. i said this has nothing to do with us. this is really stupid for europe when it comes to israel, avail, very strangely, uh, pro israel, you know, or band band any pro palestinian demonstrations, loaded with the united states and united nation. exactly is the general assembly of build is also very uh, pro is right. um and uh it's, it's

a piano and it goes if, if the reformed body of this is nigel for roger spot, it stands in the, the u. k. elections for ours is also very pro israel. so there's a kind of a, a, it's like just junction navigable to the right, which again, hey, russia, there's nothing to do with that. that's stupid to fight with them. but they've very much in the tank for around israel. so, you know, it's hard to know how all of these things are a kind of do a shakeup. and then again, in the united states, yes, i mean the question bite and there's lots of level of support within his own party . we're, we're a very unhappy about that is stand. so a garza but you can always do those people. you tell them if you don't work for by then trump, the terrible trump is going to come back to the challenge that i the iron need to. it's a trump is very pro, is free of all. exactly the other one. yeah. yeah,

that's right. it, they don't martin. and that's one of the things that um, i find really disheartening is that conservatives who used to be the biggest defenders of free speech are now some of the biggest the oppressors of free speech in it all revolves around this issue of israel. what is and ty summit is i'm, i think most people have no idea what zine is. i'm really means and how it does kind of short circuits the, the discourse george's just mentioned to. it just shuts down to by just an, you know, soon you started that somebody as soon as you started that into, into the argument, you know, yeah. and the other person is supposed to stop talking and we don't really understand anything beyond down, you know, i've seen this in the u. k. a lot was debate about some racism and in total that i'm a victim of it. but i'm, it's true. i don't think it's a conservative thing or leslie. all right, we thing, i think it, some leads generally in my experience as a journalist point. and they,

they tend to hop on about freedom of speech until they place them on the os, you know, and then there's a problem and then, and then the lawyers get wheeled out and get paid, you know, close to the amounts of money to fix the problem. i'm but so you know, free speech looking back, you know, last year and now looking ahead to 2024. i wonder how much freedom of expression will play a role in dispute political movement. these changes that we're witnessing where the people completely abandoned mainstream media and just go to the, you know, it's interesting, unfortunately, gonna have to end on this. no, but george, you know, i hope that you know, in future generations they won't turn back and say, you know, like i saw on, on cross talk you those with the days when they had freedom of speech, it must have been great. 5 seconds, george, go ahead. yeah, i think sometimes it may well be the way it be resuming 12 months. time was a well now it's really, really dangerous. you know, when it,

when i'm not able to get any kind of free speech anymore. so yeah, this is uh, this will definitely get, i think it's going to get worse, i think as i chose and it was unfortunately, so then we got the end on that depressing note. i went, i think, my guess in marrakech and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember prospect leads of the, the middle of the 20th century, the portuguese colonial empire was in an acute crisis. a particularly 10 situation had developed in mozambique the people of this country were put in a humiliating position. the income inequality ramp and illiteracy. this respect by

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