a warning of the consequences of his really impunity an international match. now to be sure, israel is unimportant geopolitical ally for the united states for this country. it's also a country that both abundant advances in technology and science and business. very impressive. and if you're in is wally jewish citizen and you live there, you'll enjoy. busy the fruits of billions of dollars and usa given to a fully functioning democracy which rivals that of any country in the world. however, if you're a palestinian living in gaza, or in the west bank, your life kind of sucks. the treatment of palestinians, according to human rights groups, is nothing short of awful. those human rights groups, right? as well as the united nations in reports that indicate the march of what israel

does in gaza. and the west bank is illegal, their words, which is why they have been cited repeatedly for violating international law, most pointedly. because the palestinians live is they say occupied citizens, that's the word they use. and some of you on reports, citizens are generally denied adequate access to water and food and fuel or even the freedom to travel. it is something some, if not most western reporters generally do not cover. it's not something you'll read in places like england or the united states or media. yet, ironically, when russia during its incursion into ukraine, damage the flow of water and electricity in the key of western media headlines and about it about how russia was denying those civilians essentials like their water, their food, their electricity, violating international law and how russia should be held to account for that.

is it not fair then to ask the same question of israel if the un it's saying they're doing that you tell me literally scholars call it a mile big calculus. one in which quote, israel is always the victim. but how did we get there? how do we get to this place? how does israel become so powerful and palestinian so weak? and how did the relationship become so dis, functional? and so bang jesus comes down really? historically one word, deception and one country. the okay. the united kingdom see, let me take it back after world war one. it was the british who essentially re drew the map of the middle east and did so by lying and cheating. eric's it was the

arabs of the region who actually helped beat back the ottoman empire. and for doing so, the brits promised them as well as other countries. but that land that includes historic power, stein would be given to them, but they be able to live there and work it. but instead, something else up after the war, world war one. the british broker promised and announced the balfour declaration establishing in palestine a national home for the jewish people. problem area was 90 percent era, but the time nonetheless, beginning 1923 and last thing until about 1948. the british facilitated a mass jewish immigration into that area exacerbated and eventually joined on to by the united states. see about the right thing to do for the jewish people of europe

who had suffered historically from anti semitism. there's no denying that culminating in the mass killings the tortures and the displacement at the hands of the nazis. the palestinians were then led to ask this question. why us? why don't we have to give up our land? and soon afterward, they watched as their homes were confiscated by the british and turned over to jewish settlers. palestinians pushed back as best they could with strikes and boycott, some protests and peasant revolts. but the british wouldn't have it. they answered with curfews and mass arrest and demolition. and then they even said 30000 troops in by 1947, the jewish population of the area that was originally just 10 percent had ballooned to 33 percent. but still that jewish population on my own 6 percent of alam. so once again in step the united nations with a resolution, it was

a resolution $181.00 resolution $181.00. and what that resolution 181 called for was. busy as a partition of palestine into 2 states, one jewish and one there. but the jews got the majority of the land as well as the most coastal and fertile land. and then things got even worse for palestinians. they call it knock box or the catastrophe. more than 70 percent of historic palestine had changed. hands as towns and villages were destroyed to make room for new jewish settlers. finally, all palestinians were left with was the west bank and the gaza strip. today, many of the descendants of those palestinians who left are scattered throughout countries like 11 on syria, jordan egypt, many of them living and squalid conditions in those countries as well. and finally,

december 1948, the you and past the resolution, it was resolution 194 resolution 194. that's a big one. it declared the palestinian refugees had the right to return to their ancestral homeland. imagine the un saying this and that sold every thing, right? i mean that's the, that's the biggie, right? that's the point of central call by the united nations. right? wrong then work. see by then things have gotten so hostile, neither side, accepted the plan. egypt took over the administration of the gaza strip. jordan took over the administration of the west bank by 1964 palestinians began to run their own affairs with the establishment of the p l. o and their political party for pi. pensions just got worse. and in 671967, more israel back a coalition of arab armies. and they did so in only 6 days called 6,

they were feeling both threatened and confident is real. occupied the rest of historic palestine after that, including the gaza strip and the west bank and east jerusalem. and some of the things we see now happened as a result of that moment really. and they brought in more jewish settlers who moved in most were foreigners. but they were immediately afforded all the rights and privileges of his riley citizens while palestinians argued that they were forced to live under military occupation. in the 19 eighties and the 90s, out of palestinian anger was born. the intifada, the intifada, which an air of means uprising and boy was it as they brought about mass protests, riots, rock rolling strikes, regional boycotts. and it also led to the eventual formation of how boss, ah, yes,

that's how we got to come us. this para. busy terry group responsible for the recent surprise attack on israel, the intifada years bloody as they were got the world's attention led to the oslo accords. the establishment of the palestinian authority granted palestinian self rule in the west bank and gaza, but a 951995 is real. started building electric fences. concrete walls splitting separating the palestinian territories into 2 distinct regions where people could not interact. roads were billed for jewish settlers to path reuben, palestinians were not allowed to use those roads. and eventually the palestinians got even more angry. and they began fighting amongst themselves in a civil war between 5 pon how boss that lasted several months. and in 2007, israel impose the land and air and naval blockade of the gaza strip, accusing a mazda of terrorism. sounds familiar since then. israel has lodged for,

for track the military assaults on gaza, one and 2008. then in 2012 another in 20142021. and now this, this what we're seeing there now. but these pictures show and what is feared will become the most severe military assault of all. and by the time it's. busy all said and done. it's to punish them us for it's most, according to israel. brazen attack to date. by the way, with all that history and all that said, i'd like to continue this conversation. you probably have some thoughts yourself about this history that we just discussed. you can do it with me on twitter. in fact, my handled there is rick sanchez, tv. so i'll join you on x or twitter or whatever it's called. and i'll be looking

for you there. but when we come back, we're going to be joined by 2 experts on the middle east pensions, and trust me there will be tension. this is a passion of debate. my guess have much to say steve walberg and dr. norman finkelstein will respectfully, or at least as respectfully as possible, try to talk about this very passionate arguments with their own perspectives. about this dire situation will be right back, the people very in the environment they grow up in some people go to where it is easy places and living very disease of places. other people live in areas that have less

infectious diseases. and when you grow up in an area of high infection, since each individual's strategically go to the collector, this are conservative, 10 distribution the the for the business. and you clean the daily those tools and you know, maybe cons green, we've got to reduce destination of clipping. could also let me provide you with the assumption. sure. ruckel was not as if author of the different student info which of course, and yet you throw in with them in the probably just a moment. that was curious if it was good year that researching yes, just to be as good as you tap through. usually i'm guilty and that'd be studies

1st opinion for to flourish to, for me to on, on, on the tutor which, which is a little bit emotionally just push this through because they won't because of this new way to partial a few school goals. really don't know which these are i know for the don't, or that you suggested to given me other than that, we're going to these disappearing into losses. come up with the and to talk about this, we're joined now by dr. norman the finkelstein, who is an american political scientist and active as an expert on the error, is really conflict. we're also joined by tv and radio personality, syndicated columnist and political commentator who's worked with me in the past. and you've seen us together sometimes agreeing and sometimes not agreeing steve

balls burg. gentleman, i'd like to thank both of you for joining us. this is a this is a heck of a thing that we're in right now, and one can't help but think. and i think we're making this point that it doesn't start with just what happened with some us. this has been taking place for some time now, dr. finkelstein, i'd like for you to start us on this discussion of how, how and when this thing got out of hand to the point where it is now being talked about in terms of a prelude to a potential world war 3. what, what, what, what is the genesis of this in your eyes without, i mean being to descriptive of everything that's happened over the last 100 years, where this thing really get away from us. since 2006 when elections in the west bank and gaza, which almost won the selections,

were described by former us president jimmy carter, as quote, completely honest and fair. after the selections were held, is real. and then the united states and you european union slap the brutal mark stating on the other. now i would like you listeners to the facts very closely . overall population, consumers, 70 percent of the refugees and the sundance house of the children know got a lot of your listeners here closely. nobody with rarest exception is allowed to go into gouter or is allowed to lead browser according to matter. terry organizations before october 7 half of the population of guys so was described

as suffering from cindy or showed in security. let me stop you, is the professor i'm going to, i'm going to stop you there because i think that gets to in many ways. but the genesis of the problem, and that is you do have a people who are isolated and is that you have people who have been fine in the you're in a concentration camp for 20 years. so that is a strong word that, that, that is a strong word. so what, what, what, what the, and quality the, kimberly be i'm and, and so, so you all just hebrew university who described god. so as quote, the largest concentration can ever, and i have no, and i hold on, i have read those quotes, i understand them. i understand from once that feeling comes, i want

a good steven here. so he has an opportunity to respond to the accusation. that essentially is real, is a pressing people and doing it on purpose and has been doing it for years and years now. how, how, what would be the response, steve, for, for that charge, which is not just being made by dr. finkelstein, we hear it all the time in the error world. and if you do, of course you do because the palestinians teach their kids to hate that you to kill the june. that there is no way is real. and i'm not going back in history for that . i'm going to this year, european union passed a resolution against the palestinian textbooks, which call for exactly what i said the us congress has taken that up this year as well. there's also in the palestinian authority, the moderates the good gods,

but they pay for slaves. and the us congress has taken that up, they reward the families of the terrorist animals who go into israel and slaughter innocent civilian, but not the same. i'm not due to that but, but the that you don't want to you? no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't please real repressing. no, no, no. okay, no, no. what you're saying is the arabs and pals sitting and pages and that's not a show. no, no, no, no, no, i'm saying i'm the i'm telling you why. okay. reason why they teach their children this. yeah. on television shows in textbooks, what kind of civilization, what other civilization does that, what other people do that? okay, the world for the most part with the exception of the u. n. america at times is silent. well, as actually, if you were gonna ask me that question,

and i was going to answer at all, what doctor finkelstein answer it, but what kind of country does that actually the united states when it comes to iran, russia, china, and that as well. but that's, that's another point that's not teaching children in school and on their sesame street. that's raising children to kill the jew. okay, well, the media knew that shows that's a different story. okay. all right. i would argue it's not because essentially when you, every night on your news tests tell people that these countries are awful, that's all award start. and that's the reason the ridiculousness of a rock happened as well as afghanistan. but dr finkelstein, i'd like for you to answer his legitimate charge that if your era or come from a palestinian community or any of these and cabinets in places like jordan, you really are being told to hate jews. that sort of undeniable right.

well, i'm not going to address that right now. let me address the substance of his go. his comment. ok. i asked, you know, if you were in to a concentration camp and you have no help whatsoever. seeing the light of the day except those 25 miles by far as miles, no hold of a job. no. of a full stomach. no how other are realizing any of your poles and dreams and then the, sorry that the, sorry the few years as are all the expert reading from is rarely 10 points most i'm know, i've seen,

you know, every few years is real and it's so time language talks about, quote, mowing the lawn in god. so your oscar x word seems to believe that may need textbooks coincides the page is where least i got news for you, sir. my 3rd floor of the concentration camps. patterns did not need jewish textbooks to convince them to pay the germans. there was the fires really convinced the i'd like to i'd like to i'd like to pause for a moment and ask a question because it doesn't seem like in this moment as apoplectic as we all are discussing this from all sides. um,

i can't help but not to go back to the history of this. and let me ask you this question. call me naive. is the way it was possible to go back in history and, and do or redo the way things were shaped during the balfour agreement. where we decided that this land would be essentially given to a people who were by the way, some of the most impressed people in the history of the world. not just due to the anti semitism that's always existed in europe, but what happened during world war 2 because of the nazis. we all understand that these are people who deserve to have a place and some dignity, but in the process of giving them that place and that dignity another people say they lost their place and their dignity. steve, that is the u. m. and the brits to do this again,

should they have done it differently? should there been a more accepting way of giving jews their place and their dignity without making the people who were there feel like they lost theirs? is that a fair question? i don't think anything. what a matter the jews were attacked from the 2nd, the whole concept of israel was attacked from the 2nd it was discussed. and i think the history that really is relevant, more relevant with all due respect to you, rick. of course. yeah, uh is, is, does. uh, i mean, 1st of all, you know, all this gives the land back. how many times have we heard over the course of many, many, many years, give the land back to the palestinians. well, when israel fort moore's in top of the sinai, and the gods are they took it from egypt when they took jerusalem and they took the west bank, they took it from jordan. and when they talked, of course, the golan heights, they took it from syria. so when they said give it back to the palestinians and they didn't have it, when is real, talk it in these wars. so i guess the,

our countries stolen from the palestinians. that's number one. yeah. why does not one country in the entire arab world not want to help their brothers and take them and spread them out? you don't want them in egypt, you don't want them in jordan, you don't want them in syria, you don't want them and savvy, right? what was a 1000000 come to the right of that old body wants to help them, but why this is a difficult and i'll tell you what, let's. let's pause for a moment for a moment. thank you. goes on shopping centers to make your point to make your point, but why we're going to come to your countries or the united states want to jews before to not see how it cost me. maybe the jews were like the palestinians. they were so horrible. they were so vicious they were so beasts, jo, or if the current is really government calls them human animals,

maybe that's why not of the european countries and the united states didn't want their different that's the reason. this is not easy. this is not easy, but the gentleman in television just tomorrow, when you have spoken smart won't change the fact that the very argumentative you was going to use or yeah, it's uh, you already knew where you're coming from and you bought it and then you're the gentleman in your argument was used by yeah, we're just as far the extermination of that use no. my argument why the student as the herbal and so horrible your nazi speaking uh in those parts of argument, the funny this has become very contentious. we're going to take a break,

i want it back tomorrow, far not on my doctor. i want to thank doctor norman to go to i'm going about, as well as steve malls berg for this very passionate. and as you can see, very, very interesting discussion that we have at these times filled with lots of passion as we expected. so thank you so much gentlemen. before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. really, it's the well try and the silo. the world we've got to stop living in these boxes truths don't live in boxes, they live everywhere. i'm actually interested, i'll be looking for you again right here. but i hope to provide a direct impact the as a result of light is can be started by line. please can be satisfied for

the importance of we can never be of a station. so that transparency is extraordinary. john mystic patrice then just succeeded in finding documents that existed in making them available to the world public. i mean, what could be more moving box by publishing information and sharing information with the public? he was exercising the right to free speech. he did so in the public interest wants to so long realize pen smith and golf and, and honestly, to relate continuously. i know why advice may assume that no one who is the guy that illegal anymore wisely bought the adjustments for to be on box weighing a 175 used to go through the sentence all week. going to let that stay.

the only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking. so that is a nation's percept. uh, allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mine and agents who are the slaves. american, this rock, obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, that doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was the culture strategy. so some of the vehicle in your industry, i'm a be an oxy leashed golf to observe on and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason the address is dangerous, is that the law,

the sovereignty of the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is founded, shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large office companies would lose millions of millions or is business businesses good? and that is the reality of what we're facing. which is fashion, the, the, by the middle of the 19th century, practically, the whole of india had been under the rule of the british and by the colonial authorities at a post at heavy depth, bringing the people into poverty, ex, 40 natural resources. and moreover, these authorities absolutely had no consideration for the physicians of the local

population. reading them like 2nd class citizens. the british were showing signs of disrespect to even to those who operated with them. the facts of ignoring the religious beliefs of the hindus led them. you may have, as the voice mercenaries, older serving under the british crown. rebellion began on the 10th of may 1857 in the garrison town of may river, north of india, a form of abuse. the rebels quickly took over daily that he rode the resistance of the indian people lasted for one and a half years. however, the forces were not equal. the colonial authorities dealt with a rebels, cruel, late fee and slaves. the boys were tied to the mouth of the cannon and were shot right through their bodies for the amusement of the public. this type of execution was called the devil's with the obliterate 10 of them. you may result the death of 800000 inhabitants of the indians. however,

the british empire never broke the free spirit of the indians and their will will resist the breaking news on r. c is 18 civilians, including children, are killed in the ukrainian act on the russian city of gal. good 111 people have been left. we did up to the cross board, a striking the washington are comfortable for ukraine's deadly attack on gal goods . that's according to the russian foreign ministry. adding to the instance will be brought to offer the un security council. of the salvo submitted to officials say ukraine, use cluster munitions in the attack, which it launched in order to distract from its failures on the battlefield. it is the key for resume which committed the crime is trying to distract attention from the defeats at the front as well as to provoke into similar actions.