this is a special edition of going underground, john field joe, one of the greatest john lives in history is dead award winning all sort of hidden agendas, heroes, a secret country of films, the war and democracy in the coming war and china. palestine is still the issue, the way you don't see the expos, washington consensus, imperial war crimes all around the world. and his last he is he campaign tirelessly for britain to release with unique found a julian assange who he would never see free again after his torture in london. cutting balances from the whole team here and going on the ground to his family. this is one of the last interviews he did for the show in memoriam. john pilcher. i don't think so much for coming on the show. you said the palestine is the issue in the last century and in this century, how does it link everything from warranties, atrocities, imperialism, information to neoliberalism? will power standards. so santoro of a great imperial act. ah, i've made to felons called palestine and still the issue $28.00 is

a pot. if i may make another one, it will be cold. tell us sign is totally true because palestine unless we understand the across, are they being imposed on palestine and the rights of people to defend themselves, the rights of people to resist against an external outside false, false. but uh uh, it becomes more extreme by the moment i'm talking about israel. they move never understand how the world works. so it's been a whole attempt to make some of the central issue of the reporting and best known songs hazard premises, a peculiar demon. in fact, come come off on its military waiting, a part of a resistance of resistance, but was provoked by these riley is the real thing. and then this is his, his route,

but it's not simply is ryle, i mean, this is as much uh, a british, an american girl against palestine as it is. and is rarely one, you know, just a few years ago, uh, the chief of the defense stuff. and brenton so nick call to visit the uh israel and between himself and uh uh, seniors, riley strato, just by drawer up, drew up basically a secret class, a partnership on military partnership between israel and britain. in fact, it goes much deeper than that. it's, it's a, it's an integration of the 2 miller trade. false is what you have. uh uh uh, is riley's pain train been in the ordinance design and brittany ordinance design, those bombs and berkeley soldiers pay you trade and then uh, in uh uh,

with, with, with units that have been as the, as the idea describe it as palestinian tested. so the be the integration of britain and especially the united states with which caves, israel, $10000000.00 a day is, is complete. so it is in one sense, it's a british european american war against the people of palestine who are doing one site. and that is refusing exercising the moral and legal rights to resist approval occupation. it's brittany says it's a friend of israel. you know, the 2 sides ism, that is mandated under broad costing restrictions. is it with here because obviously when you're talking about the drops of days, as we know,

israel says the responsibility lies with i'm us. it is using civilians as human shields among joyless schools and holmes. and they gave fair warning and told me to grab the phone secretary here says the u. k condemns, i'm us attacks on the see of civilians and reaffirms israel's right to self defense . well right fine. i should, you have to say that, but there are not 2 sides and actually to the very notion of 2 sides is a c and uh, it's like people look at your output uh, a drum and bones during the pilot since i got but there's 2 sides here uh, you know, the but the, the, the, the, the palestinians have crewed rockets and when they're accused of in this criminal chelly, yes. the say the rockets occurred. but on the other hand, israel is doing the score. i'm not targeting it's, it's, it's, it's deliberately attacking as it's always done civilian targets and we have the

spectacle, the other day of a high rise building in which the, the, the, the, the media, almost old, palestinian certainly known western media. uh we, we, we had the spectacle of this building be blowing up ideas, riley is when the nonsensical story that was harboring her mouth. it wasn't and all those drug, most of their witnesses, so that it's like the pbc report, a germ colon, who talks about a war between israel and how miles boeing. notice i thrown it's an attack on an officer pod people by the occupier. israel best buy great powers. do you think lee is john list? you mentioned jeremy boeing, the least editor of the statement. david bbc went to apologize previous to being profile us. time is reporting you think they understand that a firing stone grenades into the alex and most going the equivalent of christmas

eve is like, uh, doing that to the vatican on christmas eve. i mean, it was even though 5 to a, it's a, it's a bit like that, the bombing, the vatican or sending the soldiers into the vatican. what if i don't know, what are they doing out there? i mean, you don't actually have to be in the holy land to understand that the provocation, the attack on palestinians, and the, the attack on, on, on the holy a small skin. and in, in islam was entirely unprovoked. and the fact that i'm come off to one of these riley's stop these attack. so now people in jerusalem stop from now. well, we will resist and so they've resisted as every people has the right to do so west the media. uh, you know where all the garza?

yes, there are a lot of palestinian travelers risk getting my lives and muslim journalists and arabic speaking to unless, but we're all the high paid western john was it looks to me like a boy called her because you think good. there was a time when john is with tried. how does it get into guys? are obviously the john, this is saying they don't expensive these a, but it israel that actually prevents them and doesn't give them the pos is and i should say is right. and obviously says that what rocks at i likes the mosque, and the israel says they give warnings. well that, that's disputed by some of the children you've seen, the parents being killed. well, we know that is why i was a lie measuring and it's been proven to be that. but i think we do have to understand and the responsibility in britain is that the responsibility of the north idly the present government. but the legal polity is part of that of instalments labor polity, which allowed pro is rattled, groups to uh,

to direct the policy solve the label policy. but in effect, support. this is so tired when you have good. the shadow foreign secretary say not to criticize as rarely atrocities is anti semitic. then maureen, what we're in louis carol, well really, the bbc had a piece of to the, some of the atrocities in the past week saying, but why is it all these protest? is it i, when we saw that some of the largest uh, purchase in the world here in london, but i know they've been all around the world. why is it they don't protest about the syrian government or against the, according to western sources, genocide, committed by china. right now we're going to talk about china and bought to what, why are these protest is about palestine a tool? why don't they protest against sign of a, why don't they protest to the phrase and government about the genocide against the

indigenous people? uh, why don't they protest to the us government about but dozens of countries such as the throne. as about the big, the great numbers of people, but as, but as his desk to this cause, then there's dispossession. it does cause it's a, it's a, it's a been all argument. uh, people are protesting about an atrocity that is going on before our eyes. and we're allowed to see the atrocity because of some of the brave us driving less. i know. i know some of these people, photographers, cameraman, people who's building, we sort of blowing up and one of my film. so boy, you don't see. there is the risk like sequence which and those rallies sniper guns down the palestinian camera, a man who's lying wounded on the ground. and then they continue to shoot as these

legs. he was the in so seriously wounded. he probably wouldn't walk again. so he's, that's, that's the kind of bravery, but these people in mostly power steering. and so i have to say mostly palestinians, the high paid bbc people and all those are just not. but you know, yes, that may be very difficult. the is riley's, who uh, uh, who, who's domain they seem to cover very well. what let them in? why don't i get it regardless. they are in the tunnel is that they keep telling us about, from egypt. congresswoman to labor in the united states and palestinian extraction arguably fell into a draft of trying to attack. come us, but the amazon you are kazi. a coach has this rising star. the democrat buddy said

that apartheid states a north democracies, a tony blinking, and somebody supported the destruction of sydney, ended up like that of africa's riches been cabinet company. country and libya said um, said he wasn't convinced about the just the rebuilding being full of homeless operatives . is it changing in the united states? if it's not changing in london, decide or change? i don't know if it's a change, you know, but no, no bama. uh well uh, uh, in 2014, during the last is rarely killing fast on palestine. they were killing something like an average of 11 children a day and yet a bomb run, but uh, uh, a rains the re supply of precision weapons to israel by the nose. now the president, i don't see the difference. the only difference here,

neighbors systems. it's is the resistance, that's what's different the of, in this attack there is a real resistance. and this that should be matched by people going beyond the government's be on the power lines and guardians of this freight. so that's the only way, whether the whether or not that succeeds, i don't know, but there was no other way. you suggested a link between those pictures of, of the atrocities coming from palestine and the british army. and the end, the british states has the israel, i know they've been accused of getting drunk. this in the past, borrowed from the nato, a book when it same is the blue up bill grade tv in yugoslavia. in this destruction of the, the big tower and guys that housing media organizations. it's a lot more dangerous now. and then when i was a bold correspond, but in uh, particularly in southeast asia, because now uh,

your side side is the side represent the people whose use paypal ro, broadcasting overnight, ization sent to all right and making for you your target. uh and uh, but at the very least these palestinian tamara men, photographers and journalists, they are targets. but every origin was now a targets. go into some broad structure in london into the corner that pays tribute to journalists who died in, in, uh, covering, covering was, and they, they all the names. the names are listed in the last few years. uh, that indicate the trend. but uh, the us in particular, definitely give a damn with your john was so whether you have a, a line you're hanging around your neck that says john was, you'll get shot. this riley is, of course, no need to give

a damn. they don't even consider it, you'll get shot, period. john, i'll stop you. the more from jerome pilled, you're up to the break when we discussed double standards from china, to the torture of julian, a, sorry, the the same rom just don't have to shape house because the engagement equals the trail.

when so many find themselves will to part, we choose to look for common ground. the welcome back to part 2 of us special in to be with jump, build your input when we talked about the atrocities taking place in garza, the country currently holding the presidency of the un security council is china, which failed to persuade joe biden to issue a resolution on the current slaughter of the people's republic, demonized by nato, is the subject of john villages 2016 film becoming more on china. this was the distinguished historian theo drawer, h y 105. so to the white house, the wake of it speaking in the 19 sixty's press, china is too fast to be governed by mercy. yet if chinese mind created order,

they must be brought to recognize they are the biggest factor in the world disorder . and we must untangle the madness of the mind. the most difficult task in the world is to reach the minds of men who h u. what, what was really complaining about? what's the loss of a china that the imperial west could dominate eclipse from john villages? the coming war in china there as far as johnson deploys britons h. m is elizabeth. that club carry. is it going from china? i'm still here with john bill jack, who joins me from sidney and australia while of israel is britain and strategic military partners. we're told the nature of nation media day of today that our enemies to our national security, russia and china, china holding the rotating presidency of you and security council. you said the coming war on china. how have you noticed?

the difference here is, are gods, palestine with china are apparently trying to force the issue with a statement from the un security council to go overseas, fight against the wishes of the united states. the whole truth of the whole campaign against china and the campaign against palestine of one on the same thing it is about control is about imperial power at a certain time in the history threatened, they feel threatened. they're not actually threatened. they have threatened to, they cannot make times in love. they may uh, their, their economic prosperity is receding, bought. uh, so in order to correct this, uh, they play with the prospect of bull. it's a terribly dangerous game. when i made becoming more against china and that was in

2016, i wrote the title almost as a provocation. if i was doing that, so now i would say it's a reality in a few short is china from being in many cents. so it's a strategic ally of the west, certainly in the circle war against terrorism. it was, uh and uh, its uh, the relationship of, uh, uh, trade and currencies. this was a peaceful, a peaceful relationship. and the trains with the circle pivot to wager. and what we have now is which has never a portal. and this is very important because it's basically a silence for a propaganda war. there are 400 active bases surrounding china.

but us spaces based off here in australia with probably the one of the most important a pine gap, all the way up through the philippines, thailand, korea and japan. so that we have bases now which are primed for nuclear attack in okinawa and in korea, a pointer china, something like 5 or 600 miles away. that's the kind of provocation that way of living with day by day. now, that's almost never use. that is the dangerous stage, but worrying leaving us. this is the stage when they call the mistake or accident and it becomes a nuclear war. and the trying to delta and in military times trying to it doesn't

threaten that. he bought a, it's made, it is major very clear, the waters interest of this business and trading uh, in uh, in, in, in development, in, in making its own people. uh, prosperous in a way that they've never known you. when you're in china, you have history is like a presence the history of trying to ride through the 19th century as a colonial, impoverished servant of the west. uh they feel that they call it the, the century of humiliation that's over and the speed. and it's been it's, it's over in a very spectacular way because china has risen to the point where kind of thing the

west can do it can do and often do it better. almost tough of all we're trying these cov, advancing is going to other countries. that's indicative of trying those develop and policies. this is, this is the beginning of a world based on development. so good. you know, that doesn't mean to say, but a great power itself doesn't have uh, uh, present difficulties for all of us. but the difficulties are much diminished if that grade powell is not a military aggressor. there's only one military aggressor in the world, and that is the us back by a u. k. fact by its vessel states, australia. and the reason for that is that the u. s. has realized its losing its economic dominance, but what it does have, or it thinks it has is military dominance. it's a very dangerous time. it was,

you know, the news, the yeah, the we get that i mean human rights. watch them as the cooling claims of human rights abuses. engine jang, true, we and use every day about the um, the oppression of the oligarchs actually in, in hong kong, britain, upgrading is nuclear weapons and has sent a 2 mess. elizabeth, it's the black sea protecting us from russia, and it's headed for the south china sea. what do you think goes through the minds of the soldiers on board? a jim is elizabeth. the 2nd ad bar is johnson. yeah. when he sends our aircraft carrier, they're drawing a pandemic. well, they will be told a story and they can hardly be blamed for what is going through their minds, frankly, with uh, an aircraft carrier that was cost billions. and who's a craft uh, by courtesy of the united states and those a craft and work for

a while anyway. uh, it would be in a very black sense. so be funny if it wasn't so serious. uh, there's no reason to confront china or in the south china say the most of the stories that lives in zang about the way he goes out now propaganda without a buttons, without the evidence. in fact, in certain saying that it was a problem with the uh, i think it's the, what was the call, the east took us down. freedom movement, which the us state department describe as one of the most extreme terrorist organizations. so china has a terrorism problem in, in the province, waive a whether or not trying know is being able to handle succession this problem. uh, the same that the soviet union does had, and many l, but countries of had a. but there was no evidence whatsoever us that there is the kind of

a suffering that has a worthy of the description genocide. but time genocide, i should remind you, came from the lips of mike pompeo, who described himself as a lyle and most of the circle the evidence has come from a roadside to now associated with the driving style and foundation in washington. call. adrian sans uh, if you look at sentences, uh, all his circle documentation, uh, its uh, documentation use by and the stand by the all those it fraudulent. he, the agent is that obviously we do invite him on the program and people can see our interview with the week of council, uh, bus and uh on the showing on youtube channel. i mean, uh you, you mentioned earlier about, um these uh, bases around shined. uh,

i mean obviously track and trace of a cove. it is a problem here in britain and we don't seem to be able to track and trace corona virus infection. but there's the, there seems to be a large number of bases that attract and tracing all uh for every oh i moves. um just tell me what pine gap is. what part piney gap was setup by lets see i and its new alice springs was set up in the late 96 days. uh for many years it was denied. uh uh, the stranger in government denies that it was an american base. they described as the shed facility, it was and no, nothing, and that kind. it's a completely american run facility with a strange and employee is but as a straight, an intelligence and us intelligence is completely integrated. that's not a problem. is it?

certainly one of the most important places in the world. and then what's known in his release document showed that to be uh, a base that spied right across asia, right across china, right across russia. uh, i may just by operation not a defensive operation. aspire operation. so at the moment, uh, it probably is the major spied base on, on, on china or, and all the other imagine the enemies of, uh, of the united states. and it was, of course, julian assad you helped snowed and avoid the clutches of, of the united states, perhaps at ga, just a very quickly what have you heard about what is happening in the science case? biden doubling down, it seems on a 175 years for the world's most famous journalist. but it was some wasteful

thinking for a while, but the by the administration may not carry on trumps to suit of purely on the song it is. and it's now heading for the high court in london where it will probably, uh, uh, happen in uh, in the awesome peps september, october, uh, which the high court will decide whether there is any credibility in the us, appealing against this decision to let trillion go. my own site and say is, and i feel fine, you know, of us making this prediction as a tool and we'll be set free. i certainly hope so because he in bobby's or hey, in bodies, the very resistance that we've been talking about in this program. it's the resistance of information, of transparency, of, of

a whole moral purpose of resisting the forces of, uh, oppression. uh julian himself and his case exemplifies that. that's why what happens to him. this is so important to all of us. john pills you are there, and this is being a special tribute to john pill, jack, who has died condolences again to his family and all his friends and comrades. c. as in the russian states. never as one of the most sense community best, most all sense and that's the same assistance

must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia cruising and split the r t spoke neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you say stephen twist, which is the dangerous and ways when joe biden bear hug benjamin netanyahu? stan brace design is the agenda and all its deadly consequences. no matter how the american administration wants to parse as rules, and israel's war on gaza,

united states is ultimately accountable for israel's military campaigns. the, the deadly is really military assault on guns are rolled over into a new year. while some palestinians still hope for is against all odds, the content of course, i hope that this year will be a good one. the good will come to everyone that the war will end soon and we will return to our homes in our country. the most of the tragedy that we are suffering, the most of the destruction that has be following us. we are morning passed the clock struck midnight heralding in 2024 fraud rallied 4 guns in the westbank city of what a mile of of the conflict with israel approaches a 3rd month town don't box comes under heavy shelling from you train on you.