this weekend, the age of 8, the i'm action or attention. this is a special edition of going underground, john field joe, one of the greatest john lives in history is dead award winning all sort of hidden agendas, heroes, a secret country of films, the war and democracy in the coming war and china. palestine is still the issue, the way you don't see the expos, washington consensus, imperial war crimes all around the world. and his last he is he, campaign tirelessly for britain to release. we came weeks found a julian assange who he would never see free again after his torture in london, cutting balances from the whole team here and going on the ground to his family.

this is one of the last interviews he did for the show. in memoriam, john pilcher, i don't think so much for coming on the show. you said the palestine is the issue in the last century and in this century, how does it link everything from war and visa atrocities, imperialism information to neoliberalism will power standards. so santoro of a great imperial act. ah, i've made to felons called palestine and still the issue 28 is a pop so i may make another one. it will be cold, tell us sizes to leave true because the palestine, unless we understand the across, are they being imposed on palestine and the rights of people to defend themselves, the rights of people to resist against an external outside? false a false, but uh uh,

it becomes more extreme by the moment and i'm talking about israel. they move never understand how the world works. so it's printing a whole attempt to make him off the central issue of the reporting and best known songs. promises uh, a peculiar team and in fact, come how my son is military waiting, a part of the resistance, a resistance that was provoked by these riley's, the real team. and this is his, his route, but it's not simply is ryle, i mean, this is as much uh, a british and american girl. i can tell us fine as it is. and is riley one you know, just a few years ago. uh the chief of the defense stuff in brent. and so nick call to visit to the israel and between himself and uh uh,

seniors, riley strato to the state drawer up drew up basically a secret plan, a partnership i military partnership between israel and britain. in fact, it goes much of the button that it's, it's a, it's an integration of the to miller trade. false is what do you have? uh, uh, uh, is riley's paint training. been in the ordinance design and brittany ordinance designers, bombs, and berkeley soldiers pay you trade and then uh, in uh, uh, with, with, with units such a pain as is the idea describe it as palestinian tested. so the, the, the integration of britain and especially the united states was which caves israel, $10000000.00 a day is, is complete. so it is, in one sense, it's a,

a british european american war against the people of palestine who are doing one site. and that is refusing exercising the moral and legal rights to resist approval occupation. brittany says it's a friend of israel. you know, the 2 sides ism, that is mandated under broad costing, uh, restrictions it with here. because obviously when you're talking about the drops of days, as we know, israel says the responsibility lies with i'm us is using civilians as human shields among journalist schools and holmes. and they gave fair warning and told me to grab the phone, secretary it says the u. k condemns semis. attacks on sea of civilians and reaffirms israel's right of self defense. well right fine. i should, you have to say that, but there are not 2 sides. and actually the very notion of 2 sides is saying it's like people look at your output at drummond bones during the pilot since i got,

but there's 2 sides here. uh, you know, the but the, the, the, the, the palestinians have crude records and when they were accused of in those criminal chelly, yes. the say the rock that's a crude. but on the other hand, israel is doing the square. i'm not targeting it's, it's, it's, it's deliberately attacking as a toy is done. civilian targets and we have the spectacle, the other day of a high rise building in which the, the, the, the, the media, almost old, palestinian certainly known western media. uh we, we, we had the spectacle of this building be blowing up by the is riley is when the nonsensical story that was hovering her mouth. so it wasn't. and all those drug,

most of the witnesses to that, it's like the babies say, report germ colon, who talks about the war between israel and how miles boeing noticed. i thrown it's an attack on an officer pod people by be okay, by a israel backed by great powers. do you think lee is john list? you mentioned jeremy, boeing them at least added to the statement that you'd bbc glad to apologize previous to being profile this time is reporting. do you think they understand that a firestone grenades into the alex and mosque on the equivalent of christmas eve is like, uh, doing that to the vatican on christmas eve. i mean, it was easy though, 5 to a, it's a, it's a bit like that. the bombing, the vatican, or sending the soldiers into the vatican for that's, i don't know. what are they doing out there? i mean, you don't actually have to be in the holy land to understand that the provocation, the attack on palestinian and then suddenly the attack on, on, on the holy

a small skin in the, in, in islam was entirely unprovoked. and the, the fact that i'm off on the israelis stop these attack. so now people in jerusalem, stop them now or we will resist. and so they've resisted as every people has the right to do so western media. uh you know, where all the in gaza? yes. there are a lot of palestinian children was risking their lives and muslim douglas and arabic speaking to unless but we're on the high paid west and john was, it looks to me like a boy called because you think good. there was a time when john is retried. how does it get into guys? are obviously the john, this is saying they don't expensive these a, but it israel that actually prevents them and doesn't give them the pos is and i should say is right. obviously stands there were rocks at alex, a mosque and

a israel's, as they give warnings. well that, that's disputed by some of the children you've seen that parents being killed. well, we noticed that this land was a lie measuring and has been proven to be that. but i think we do have to understand the responsibility in britain is that the responsibility of the north idly the present government. but the legal polity is part of that of installments. labor polity, which allowed pro is rattled, proves to uh, to direct the policy solve the label policy. but in effect, support. this is so tired when you have good the shadow foreign secretary, a say not to create a sizes. riley atrocities is anti semitic. then maureen, what ren lewis, carroll, well, really, the bbc had a piece of to the,

some of the atrocities in the past week saying, but why is it all these protest is when we sort of the, some of the largest a purchase in the world here in london, but i know they've been all around the world. why is it they don't protest about the syrian government or against the, according to the west and sources genocide committed by china. right now we're going to talk about china in part 2. what, why are these protest is about palestine of tool white on site protest against sign of a, why don't they protest to these trades and government about the genocide against the indigenous people? uh, why don't they protest to the us government about, but dozens of countries that deserve a throne, as about the but the, the great numbers of people but is, but as has tested this cause, then there's dispossession. it does cause it's a, it's a, it's a been all argument uh, people are protesting about an atrocity that is going on before our

eyes. and we're allowed to see that atrocity because of some of the brave us drive the less i know. i know some of these people, photographers, cam, roman people whose building we sold, blowing up, and one of my film. so boy, you don't see there is the rustic sequin, some which and those rallies sniper guns down the palestinian camera, a man who's lying wounded on the ground. and then they continue to shoot as these legs. he was the in so seriously wounded. he probably wouldn't walk again heavy, but that's the kind of bravery. but these people in mostly power steering. and so i have to say mostly palestinians, the high paid bbc people and all those are just not. but yeah, no, yes, that may be very difficult. the is riley's, who uh, uh, who,

who's domain they seem to cover very well. well, let them in. why don't i get it? regardless, as they are in the tunnel, is that they keep telling us about from egypt and congress woman to labor in the united states and palestinian extraction arguably fell into a draft of trying to attack. come us, but the amazon, you are kazi, a coach has this rising star, the democrat buddy said that apartheid states and not democracies, a tony blinking and somebody supported the destruction of setting it ended up like that of africa's which has been cabinet company, country, and libya, said um, said he wasn't convinced about the just the rebuilding being full of homeless operatives. is it changing in the united states? if it's not changing in london, decide or change? i don't know if it's a change, you know, but no, no bama. uh well uh,

uh, in 2014, during the last is rarely killing fast on palestine. they were killing something like an average of 11 children a day and yet a bomb run, but uh, uh, a rains the re supply of precision weapons to israel bite and is now the president . i don't see the difference. the only difference, the only resistance is, is the resistance. that's what's different the of, in this attack there is a real resistance. and this, that should be matched by people going beyond the government's be on the power lines and guardians of this freight. so that's the only way, whether the whether or not that succeeds, i don't know, but there is no other way. as you suggested, the link between those pictures of,

of the atrocities coming from palestine and the british army. and the end, the british states has the israel, i know they've been accused of getting during this in the past, borrowed from the nato play book when it famously blew up mail great tv in yugoslavia. in this destruction of the, the big tower and gaza housing, media organizations. it's a lot more day just now. and then when i was a bold correspond, but in the particularly in southeast asia, because now your side that is the side representing the people whose use paypal role, broad, caustic overnight, ization said to all right, making for you your target. uh and uh, but at the very least these palestinian camera on the then photographers and journalists, they are targets. but every origin was now a targets. go into some broad church in london into the corner that pays tribute to

journalists who died in, in, uh, covering covering was, and where they are. so names, the names are listed in the last few years. uh that indicate the trend that uh the us in particular, definitely give a damn with your journalist. go with you have a, a line you're hanging around your neck that says john was, you'll get shot. this riley is of course, no need to give it to them. they don't even consider it. you'll get short period. john, i'll stop you. the more from john pill dropped to the break, when we discussed double standards from china, to the torture of julian, a sorry, the

the kind of world war, the awesome new rule of letters says that the new found, the could assume it was uh, because of the the yeah, record of that for you. yes, i have a life force. right. so what kind of a story? i hope the keys close to the 5 units, but on us and that or to fan style much. it took me on to businesses anymore because the welcome back to bought 2 of us special interview with joan. build your input when

we talked about the atrocities taking place in gauze. the country currently holding the presidency of the un security council is china, which failed to persuade joe biden, to issue a resolution on the current slaughter of the people's republic. demonized by nato is a subject of john villages 2016 film becoming more on china. this is the distinguished historian theodore h. y 105. so to the white house, the wake of it speaking in the 19 sixty's press. china is too fast to be governed by mercy. yet if chinese mind created order, they must be brought to recognize they are the biggest factor in the world's disorder. and we must untangle the med list of the mind. the most difficult task in the world is to reach the minds of men who 8 to what, what was really complaining about. what's the loss of

a china that the imperial west could dominate eclipse from john villages the coming war in china? there as far as johnson deployed britain's atrium, is elizabeth that club carrier. is it going from china? i'm still here with john field. you joins me from sidney in australia. well, of israel is britain and strategic military partners we're told in age of a nation, media day of to day that our enemies to our national security, russia and china, china holding the rotating presidency of you and security council. you said the coming war on china. how have you noticed the difference here is, are gods. palestine with china are apparently trying to force the issue with a statement from the un security council to go overseas, fight against the wishes of the united states. the whole truth of the whole campaign against china and the campaign against powers fine. a one on the same thing. it is about control is about

imperial power at a certain time in the history threatened, they feel threatened. they're not actually threatened. they have threatened and they cannot make times in the they may uh their, their economic prosperity is receding, bought. uh, so in order to correct this, uh, they play with the prospect the bull. it's a terribly dangerous game. when i made becoming more against china and that was in 2016, i wrote the title almost as a provocation. if i was doing that, so now i would say it's a reality in a few short is china from being in many sense. so it's a strategic ally of the west, certainly in the circle war against terrorism. it was,

uh and uh, it's uh, a relationship of, uh, uh, trade and currencies. this was a peaceful, a peaceful relationship. and a change with the circle pivot to wager. and what we have now is which has never a poetry. and this is very important because it's basically a silence for a propaganda war. there are 400 active faces surrounding china. but us spaces based off here in australia with probably the one of the most important a pine gap, all the way up through the philippines, thailand, korea and japan. so that we have bases now which of prime and for nuclear attack in okinawa

and korea, a pointer china, something like 5 or 600 miles away. that's the kind of provocation that way of living with day by day. now that's almost never use that as the dangerous stage, but worrying leaving us. this is the stage when they call the mistake or accident and it becomes a nuclear war. and the trying to delta and in military times, trying to it doesn't threaten that. he bought a, it's made, it is made a very clear, the water, it's interest. so this business in trading uh, in uh, in, in, in development, in, in maintaining its own people. uh, prosperous in a way that they've never known you. when you're in china, you have

a history is like a presence the history of trying to ride through the 19th century as a colonial, impoverished servant of the west. uh they feel that they call it the, the century of humiliation that's over and the speed. and it's been, it's, it's over in a very spectacular way because china has risen to the point where kind of thing the west can do it can do and often do it better. almost tough of all a trying these covered vax in is going to other countries that's indicative of china's development policies. this is, this is the beginning of a world based on develop. i felt good, you know, that doesn't mean to say, but a great power itself doesn't have uh, uh,

present difficulties for all of us. but the difficulties are much diminished if that grade powell is not a military aggressor. there's only one military aggressor in the world. and that is the us back by the u. k. fact by its vessel states, australia. and the reason for that is that the u. s. has realized that it's losing its economic dominance, but what it does have, or it thinks it has, is military dominance. it's a very dangerous time or plus, you know, the news here that we get that i mean, human rights watch them as the cooling claims of human rights abuses, engine yang, true. we and use every day about the the oppression of the oligarchs actually in, in hong kong, britain, upgrading is nuclear weapons and has sent a 2 mess. elizabeth, it's the black sea protecting us from russia,

and it's headed for the south china sea. what do you think goes through the minds of the soldiers on board? a team is elizabeth the 2nd and bar is johnson? yeah. when he sends our ag ralph carry that during a pandemic. well, they will be told a story and they can hardly be blamed for what is going through their minds, frankly, with the are they across carrier, those costs billions. and who's a craft uh, by courtesy of the united states and those a craft and work for a while anyway. uh, it would be in a very black sense. so be funny if it wasn't so serious. uh, there's no reason to confront china or in the south trying to say, uh, most of the stories that lives in zang about the way it goes out now propaganda without a buttons, without the evidence. in fact, in certain saying, there was a problem with the uh, i think it's the, what was the coal,

the east took us down. freedom movement, which the us state department describe as one of the most extreme terrorist organizations. so trying, i have a terrorism problem in, in the province, waive a whether or not china is being able to handle succession this problem. uh, the same that the soviet union does had, and many of the countries of had a. but there was no evidence whatsoever us that there is the kind of a suffering that has a worthy of the description genocide. but time genocide, i should remind you, came from the lips of mike pompeo, who described himself as a lyle and most of the circle the evidence has come from

a roadside to now associated with the driving style and foundation in washington. call. adrian sans uh, if you look at settings is uh all his circle documentation. uh, its uh, documentation used by and the stand by the all those it fraudulent, hey, the agent is that obviously we do invite him on the program and people can see our interview with the week of council uh, bus and uh on the showing on youtube channel. i mean, uh you, you mentioned earlier about, um these uh, base is around shane. uh, i mean obviously track and trace of a cove. it is a problem here in britain. we don't seem to be able to track and trace corona virus infection, but there's the, there seems to be a large number of bases that attract and tracing on her every oh i moves. just tell me what pine gap is. what part piney gap was set up by the c i a and it's new. alice springs was set up in the late

ninety's and sixty's. uh for many years it was denied uh uh, the stranger and government denies that it was an american base. they described as a shared facility. it wasn't that nothing, it's a kind, it's a completely american run. facilitate with a strange and employee is but as a straight and intelligence and us intelligence is completely integrated. that's not a problem. is it? certainly one of the most important places in the world, and they've what's known in his release document showed that to be uh, a base that spied right across asia, right across the china. right across russia. uh, i may just by operation not a defensive operation. aspire operation. so at the moment, uh,

it probably is the major spied base on, on, on china or, and all the other imagine the enemies of uh, of the united states. and it was, of course, julian assad. you helped snowden avoid the clutches of, of the united states, perhaps at ga, just a very quickly. what have you heard about? what is happening in the science case? biden doubling down. it seems on a 175 years for the world's most famous journalist. but it was some wasteful thinking for a while, but the by the administration may not carry on. trump, pursuit of purely on the song it is. and it's now heading for the high court in london where it will probably, uh, happened in uh, in the awesome pub september, october. uh, and what's the high court will decide whether there is any credibility

in the us, appealing against this decision to let trillion go? my own site and say is, and i feel fine, you know, of a so making this prediction is a tool and will be set free. i certainly hope so because he bought his hey, in bodies, the very resistance that we've been talking about in this program. it's the resistance of inflammation, of transparency, of, of a whole moral purpose of resisting the forces of oppression. a julian himself. and his case exemplifies that. that's why what happens to him. this is so important to all of us, john pills you are there. and this is being a special tribute to john pilcher,

who has died. condolences again to his family and all of his friends and comrades. see you soon, the boss can do. i just need to see what was the meeting with key at the washington state. the pals, the computer says to phone and send 2 professional men to keep the list of all but huge,

but they use the feel good news. what just happened and built around is definitely a terrorist act. it was a targeted attack on civilians. a lot of our button remarks on key. yeah, this definitely attacked on the russian city. a silverado which killed the $24.00 civilians and wounded $108.00 more. don bass comes under heavy selling from ukraine on new year's eve night was at least 4 civilians killed in more than a dozen wounded engine. and the deadly is rarely military and dogs are rolls over into a new year. and while some problems to the installment for peace against all od.