to achieve by mistake in just a few weeks, but then again, you can trust any of these numbers any way they say to me is, i have no notion how soon is it telling you the truth about how many people are killed? so it wasn't enough that causes was stripped of dignity in life, paged in a slip overland, just 25 miles long and 5 miles wide. they will then even strip stupid dignity to die. the countless 2nd rate sickness with which western politicians have by and large treat to the protestant is this now undeniable. remember, a sort of wonderland preaching about the crime of targeting civilian infrastructure . targets has a text on civilian infrastructure. with a clear aim to cut off men, women, children of lot to electricity and teaching with the winter coming. these are x of pure carol, turns out that only applies in ukraine. gallstones can be stopped, did not move to electricity medicine enough,

know what they were imposing. a complete solution goes on, there will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. everything will be closed. we are fighting against human animals and we're acting accordingly. and allow suitable to is preached is rouse, right to self defense. remember, the door of europe opened to ukrainian refugees, free housing, free transport, free health care, free schooling, free closing about the gardens. nothing but close board as well. do any of the clothes from that fact the 2000000 displays could do nothing but inch for the south along the goal is to strip as the bones dropped closer and closer run by the floods of politicians. the care of about 2 faces and promises to stand together, run by us and making a pilgrimage to butcher the well no such visitors to the mass grave and hon. eunice. no helping hand to the new bones

unplugged from age of age, then suddenly no c section and dignity kits like the ones that you deliver to ukrainian hospitals. because apparently o babies should have a fast stall to nights. but perhaps none of the surprises you all through. it had been made clear long ago that not or was all equal me or sorry, it's really emotional for me because i see your p and people with blue eyes and loans here being sealed, children being killed every day was pull tabs and use those. now the, and think about what has happened. so the, and this is now the developing said, well, nation is choosing your remove, send the royal treatment to resolve for an elite few who have the right look. it seems, palestinians just don't have the right look. no, i that did the 300000 rockies. the 50000 i've gone is the 380000. yeah, minis. but again, perhaps none of this surprises you all through. people like this are shaping

u. s. foreign policy. retail for thousands. how the city and said, you know why he wasn't enough. wasn't, go, go, go. oh, yes, 2023. prove the yes again, but this is a wild of have on have not the have have little money influence. powerful back cuz the have nots of stripped of everything, but hope that maybe just maybe some day someone somewhere will shut a test for them to while that's been live in plenty of me for today. so i will say good bye. more associate is taking over at the top, asked me all season the

the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the president of the united states cause the real stir when speaking to congress . joe biden brought up the possibility of american troops fighting russian troops. this is the state of the failed ukraine project facing failure on all fronts. biden's only option is to expand the complex, really the cross option ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in delmark. steve is a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector, and in nashville, we have steve deal. he is an attorney and political commentator, hard gentleman crosstalk roles. and i think that means he can jump anytime you want . and i always appreciate it. let me go to you 1st got um, um zalinski, the president of ukraine and

a supplicant of the united states and this affair here he's visiting, i guess, but as we're speaking now, joe biden, what do you think that conversation is going to be about scott, a look, this is about joe button using zalinski is a problem to try and put pressure on the republicans in congress to pass a supplemental you know, a budget that includes money for ukraine, for israel, and a little bit of money for the southern border. he's going to make the case that there's a lensky, the president of this wonderful democracy called ukraine, and cannot survive without american assistance. american assistance that he joe biden promised american assistance that united states congress has regularly voted in favor of and the failure of the republicans to follow through on the obligations

of the nation. it will represent a betrayal. so this is a grand act of theater. 12 esteem, but this same question to you because i, i can't really um, surmising what exactly the united states is supposed to do. keep funding this money . obviously it looks like they, they, they've all, all been accepted failure, but they want to keep it going until the election. so it doesn't dog, isn't there a wait around biting shoulders? but that's a kind of a very cynical thing to do. so another $100000.00 ukranian troops will die because of jo biden's, political ambitions and ego. go ahead, steve. like you said about, you know, 3 or $400000.00 for that. i just really feel sorry for zaleski is interpreter. can you imagine it tried to interpret the mumblings of joe biden, in some sort of incoherent sense? i speaking, i said, i can't understand him, but the problem is, he says he wanted to be a wartime president. that's what his strategist did now come up with is you can't be an economic president because by nomics is failing miserably. you can't be the

border secure a president because that failed miserably the energy presence. so now he's left to try and become the wartime president, and he is devoted to getting america into a war. and, and i will say this, the american people are about set up. we're giving any money to you, craig. i know they're more than set up with any, any boots on the ground. what do you great at this point, or at any point in the near foreseeable future? well, i'm speaking about troops here. scott biting mentioned the possibility, quotes american troops fighting russian troops. now, that seems to me or go, he but he assumes that russia will attack nato if ukraine fails. why? that's a flawed logic here. it sounds like she wants that to happen to legitimize his failed ukraine project. scott, i don't know if he wants to happen because 1st of all, if it happened, we would go nuclear immediately because un, nato and united states lack the military capability of prevailing in ground combat,

large scale ground combat against russia. but it's a, it's, as you know, that it's an absolutely false premise of russia. a has no intention of attacking nato attacking poland, attacking the politics. the russians historically have always had an a defensive posture. they were compelled to act and ukraine because of years of nato. expansion in efforts by the collective west to turn ukraine into a weapon against russia. so russia acted, you know, preemptively, as a preemptive self defense was the, um, you know, the justification to blood report use on her article 51 in the united nations charter. but the other thing is the russian military, while it's very successful on the battlefield today, um, you know, has limited capacity, limited capability. we learned this in the 1st phases of this conflict,

where they tried to do too much with too little, 200000 troops. there's a limit to what they can do. well, there's a limit to what 60700000 troops can do. meaning that they are capable of defeating the ukrainian military. they are capable of seizing additional territory if test with that job. but they're not capable. for as a currently stand to occupy ukraine, let alone launch a massive military invasion of poland or the baltic. so joe biden has created a fantasy world that he has populated with fantasy figures. the good news is that this will never happen because as this is, joe said, i want to send american troops in the ukraine. this is joe said russia will attack poland. russia won't attack bone. so this is just politics as usual. yeah, steve, it's really interesting also in the same conversation in john kirby, not the smartest guy in the room. we know he's invoking article 5 as if you know,

this is again something that the, you know, is a, is a trip wire, a threat directed at russia that there is his article 5. i would be very, very cautious if i were john kirby or the president, the united states and his useless secretary state blinking is that article 5 is much more of a mythology than reality here. and i would advise them not to test it, because i don't think fortunate goal is good to go to war overbuild this. okay, and i think the, the war and ukraine is actually proven that go ahead steve, as well. it's kind of exactly right. and the democrats and the volume, ministration, given pages, boogeyman of, of russia, and prove that if we don't stop them in john best, they'll roll across you. great occupied ukraine's invade sweden and finland in poland. the adult dominated europe ability early like ukraine is the size of the texas occupying a country. that size is not going to be possible with the rest of the military's.

it is particularly when you get into the other side of ukraine, and you have folks that would be willing to fight for their home to have guerrilla warfare and the idea that they would be in bathing your western europe is just again, the book, the man, this advisor administration is trying to create so that that members of congress will look under their beds, afraid they'll find tutoring when you, when you look at the capacity of the us. as scott mentioned, to engage in any kind of large scale round more. we've given most of our munitions to ukraine that have been lost or wasted, or we left to buy that afghanistan, or we've got the u. s. department of defense. we can't account for them. and yet you've got the secretary of defense going to congress demanding more money into ukraine. say if you don't give us this. finally, we're going to send her sons and daughters and uncles and brothers to die, that kind of threat. i don't think it's gonna play well with members of congress and again, i don't think it plays well with the american people. well, you know, it's got, you know, this whole sabre rattling about, you know, attacking

a nato country and all that. you know, um, i know it's a lot of work for some people, but just look at the words the russian officials have said that's actually go to the very beginning. demilitarization and the knots vacation. that means destroying the ukrainian military that has been supported by nato. and regime change in to those conditions cover and really change scott, i know you're a 100 percent. correct. look, the the thing here though is that there have been some voices, been the russian media. you know, russia has some very, uh, uh, inflammatory um tv shows where you have now these come on and, and say things, they're not official policy makers. they're speaking their own opinion in you. so when you have people say, we're going to see this through on the warsaw on the berlin. all that does is feed the, you know, the, the propaganda mills here and american allow people who say the russians intend to

come to data. but the reality is there's the russian government speech for russian not sometimes. well, but i'm glad you brought it up. scott, everybody listening to everyone watching the program here? yes, russia has its own. sean hannity's. the surprise it does. it has it's jo, scholar burrows, are you surprised? ok. they did this, joe scarborough and todd henry represent the us government hardly. um they may want to appeal to elements of the government, but they don't represent it. and i'm glad scott brought that up. i see the same shows, same kind of hot heads and some are very jingle wasting. absolutely, they are okay, but it's part of the entertainment landscape unfortunately. steve, let me go back to you again. you know, we have um, um, nato, uh, defining russia as an enemy. since this conflict is started and much, much more, more, but unofficially, now it's official here. russia is going to react to that. i don't understand why

people don't. if you called anatomy, you're going to react to it. go ahead steve. as well. and the fact that this, this was a conflict, it could have been completely avoid is had uh, uh, victoria new and uh, from the state department in boris jobs and not swooped in to keep the wednesday from striking a deal on the front end. and then you had your restroom, making it clear that the expansion of nato, to their border was, was intolerable. it was something that the usa agreed not to do, and yet, decade or so ago. and yet tamala, here as they are kind of, again working us into this conflict by announcing how yeah, we're going to expand that, you know, into ukraine's, and the russians don't know. she's an idiot. the russians don't know. she's clueless. and they walked in the back. but then there every action since then has been underlining, we're going to expand, you really expand nato into is ukraine, which is again, a branch of the problem is that the us is made in the past. it that absolutely words don't really mean very much. and unfortunately,

that's what the russians have learned from all this women's process and all that. scott, kate, a, we both watched the media and the, the failed piece process that the us and the u. k. a torpedo in early parts of the conflict here. how often is that mentioned in the main stream media you and i talked about it in real time. i remember it in real time. okay. it's never got an airing on the main stream media. the public simply doesn't know that this conflict or 1st ball could have been avoided. second of all, it could have been shut down relatively quickly. scott, i know you're a 100 percent correct? because 1st of all, a to, to discuss what happened in march and april, requires people to re think to be of the entire narrative bitch been portrayed in the west of an aggressive russia. she can territorial acquisition, seeking to destroy q. but when you look at the terms that russia had agreed to,

they were extraordinary lenient. um, did almost some people say it almost was like russia lost in was conceding things to ukraine, that's out lenient scholars got i, i remember at the time i remember at the time and, and probably was talking you about it. i, i said that would be defined as a strategic to feed it. it did it in retrospect, yes, but it shows how much rush i wanted to avoid. what's happening today, how little appetite russia had at the time for war. and believe me why she doesn't have an appetite for war today either. i'm sorry, no, it's not hold that thought gentlemen, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard breaks will continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter will build to remind you we're discussing ukraine,

the . okay, let's just go back to scott scott: it's the rumor mill. there's a lot of whispers going on, but you know more and more often you here, zalinski is no longer the guy and of course has been in a more enormous amount of reporting and alternative media about the machinations going on in here. we have zelinski is immediate lieutenant's calling, him delusional. that time magazine article, the economist article, those things don't happen by accident. ok. so there's a whole swirl going on around zalinski and, and then there are there his competitors in the military. they have more popularity than he does. after all, as you pointed out, you know, there are no elections going on right now. so we have basically the little m for as a landscape. what are your thoughts about the stability of the regime as well?

first of all, we just have to be honest and noted. zelinski is 100 percent. the construct of the collective west of the united states of great britain, of nato, of the european union. he is a tool tool of the west, but he serves a task that is just to be the public face of ukraine that allows western governments to justify the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars of money and resources into ukraine. g is the propaganda element that we, the west put out there to say, this is the man, this is the face of ukraine, the face of freedom, the face of democracy, the man who was standing up to the evil russian autocracy. and as long as you know, they can sell zelinski that way. they can justify sending this money, but they can no longer this wednesday and he's well past is used by data. he

doesn't serve that function anymore. and therefore, he's lost his utility not only in the west, but in ukraine because he's not an effective leader, is an artificial construct. and if he's not bringing in the money that fuels this corrupt regime and is corrupt nation, and it's been effective military if he's not bringing into money. the pad, the bank accounts of these other corrupt ukrainian officials. what use does he have in the military is growing increasingly frustrating, frustrated about so let's get because of his insistence on counting to the west to carry out counter offensive that never had a chance of success. always, we're going to sacrifice thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of ukrainian lives just to continue the money flowing. now, the spigot you bring turned off the wednesday, i think is on his final legs there. he can't last much longer. as the leader,

we see a lot of with inside you crane and outside you crane to replace it man i sadly, i think this of this trip to washington dc might be one of his last guests, as president of ukraine. yeah, yes. me think, you know, the, someone's case like the perfect western liberal. he, he, he, he likes to support ideas that have no impact on him. personally. i'm sure there's a private jet all sealed up, ready to take about and, you know, like gummy out of afghanistan. okay. but we're way ahead of ourselves, but that is one option here. you know, is this steve, it's really interesting is that one of the that has been made by many different um marketing attempts of this conflict in ukraine. the most recent one is corporate welfare, the trickle down, you know, like 95 percent of the money comes back to arms manufacturers. if that's a good thing. okay. but they, they keep reinventing their marketing to keep this going on. and you know, yeah, i don't feel sorry for arms makers are they always have a boon when there's

a conflict going on. they like wars. ok and, and, and biden likes to serve their interests. go ahead steve. as well. and, and perhaps the most ridiculous assertion that be on the is just alone. it's going to get paid back. so yeah, like all the money that we learned in europe after world war 2. but tim scott said it even better when he claimed is that the business, the business alone is going to get paid back. it's not just to supplement the arms dealers and there's that money, as you pointed out, flows back to us with these the ridiculous assertions of why it's good for america just to promote a war and, and ukraine. the best for you can tell that you frame force as last traction is you're not saying the ukraine pans worn on politicians and peoples around the country anymore. they've been replaced by these railways legs and, and perhaps the best education of, of the wednesdays was power. i think it was time magazine versus the year last year . this year is taylor swift? that's how much things have shifted away from ukraine. and i really don't even know

who that is. okay. but anyway, i'm, i'm sorry, i don't follow that stuff. i think the academy awards me, i'm an interested in that kind of stuff. a scott is what is the plan now just life support just to get through the election cycle. i think you hit the nail on the head there. this is not about the security of the west or the west is already adjusting to the inevitability of ukrainian defeat. you see, nato, you see the, you, you see the united states started to move things behind the scenes to prepare themselves for a russian victory. but politically, biden can't concede that the 1st of all, he's looking for a scape goat netscape go. it's going to be the republican party. oh yeah. he is going to, uh, you know, say i did everything. i could, it was the republicans are denied the funding. therefore, the republicans are responsible for the defeat of your trade. now if the republicans happen to cough up the money,

then what you're going to see is what we've already seen. well, it's ukrainians fault. we gave them every resource they needed, but their military, it wasn't good enough. they just, they didn't have what it takes, of anything to push the blame away from buying because we are in to the silly season we are less than a year away from a presidential election. which means america has gone, bring dead. we're now only about politics and politics is all about shifting blame on to other people taking credit where you can and this is what by just going to be doing with you, craig, we've lost this war. ukraine is lost as war right now. it's about ensuring that the consequences of this defeat don't blow back on joe biden, politically, that he pushes as much of the blame for this ukrainian debacle on to other people. well, and i'll also to the scott and steve here we have to keep in mind. there was somebody responsible state crafted road to

a couple weeks into the conflict. the ukraine has already one very interesting title, because i would say then once a settlement and it will be defeat, then there's going to be the, the blame game in side of you. crane who took the money. where is the money? where is this guy? it's going to be k arctic. very, very chaotic. c i'm and you've already had go ahead and get paid. already have senior officials getting fired for corruption by the wednesday. first of all, it has various ministers and then talk folks in the defense ministry getting fired for corruption. they've taken the money the us can account for the money that you can account for the money is as billions of dollars have been misplaced, do you? and i think the other, the other critical thing is that you can, i think, blame you grain for this last because we were told about all the patriarch we're going to defend our country. and yet there are hundreds of thousands of young ukrainian manhood fled the country. to avoid the draft that recognizing they'd

rather go to jail afterwards, rather than go to the front lines and died now. and with all this patriotic push that we got the propaganda that, that ukraine is fighting for itself. why are they having to drag 16 year old boys out of malls? why they haven't put 70 year old man on the front binds because the prey new people are wanting to fight for don bass and domestic and mary ogles, they, they don't see any reason to fight for it. why are we fighting for it? and again, i don't think americans want our kids to fight for places that don't even matter to the ukrainians. yes. got into the demographic crisis is horrific for ukraine. i mean, depending on who you asking ukrainians, who always have been notorious of a bad with their statistics here. but there are some estimates that the population of ukraine now is approximately half. it was when they got its independence, that it happens very rarely, very rarely. scott, as well, what we're looking at is a, is a failed states. i mean,

there are been many people in russia including blood and report, and we have our teacher related to ukraine is an artificial state of. but what we're looking at right now is a failed state. oh, you know, you talked about, you know, the chaos that, that will break out. and ukraine is people who are looking to blame that. but that assumes that there's going to be a, a ukrainian government that, um, a good point operates independently. and sorry, d notification means the end of the zalinski really means the end of the ukrainian or rather the power. but the means the end of the constitution as it's currently configured, it means the end of ukraine is it's currently governed. there will be a new government in ukraine if there has to be. and i believe this government will be hand picked by the russians. and so there won't be as much chaos as you think. i think there will be a lot of retribution. i think there will be a lot of accountability. but the bottom line is ukraine as it existed in

2014 will never exist again. and i think back, i had an interesting conversation with a senior russian official just last week. and he basically said that you crane has a very limited window of opportunity right now to strike a deal that won't allow you trained to have the maximum territory and sovereignty that the longer this goes on that offer will be off the table. and you'll be looking at a completely different outcome then the one that could be offered today. but either way, you train a strategically defeated and the terms of ukraine future will be dictated by russia not by some sort of negotiation between ukraine in the west. yeah, and steve, you know, again, auto got it, what would be right, go ahead and let me ask you got it. this guy does exactly right. that's what happens to ukraine going forward. what happens to russia going forward? i mean that the demon is ation to use in russia,

in the west and in america. how do you have a great rest of the back to the table and say okay, all is, well, all forget about, you know, sections are off there. they're going to be a buddy again, how do you move that machinery back into bringing russia into the world of nations? well, well, you know, scott mc my place. i want to be kind all 3 of us, but we will see that in our lifetime this is a generational breach that will not be mended for a very long time. those sanctions will not come to an end because the west nato land cannot accept that it was wrong. okay. because of their it with their, their virtuous russians. are they, they, uh they, they're the rule of law, the rules based or big. they can't change slightly. the only way, the only way to both the due date when it was almost out of time here, but i do have a way out for them at least put in didn't make it to pair us. we won steve. that's exactly right. yeah. i was in the ukraine, and don bass area is asking

a mail for the elections. and here we keep hearing from again the, by the ministrations this occupied territories. look, i have better to interact a couple of times. scott is as been an actual occupied territories. don, this can marry or not occupied. you not to the russian soldiers on every corner of the lives, from the beginning of this need to be dealt with. and the media in the western got your for you and america have blood on their hands. well, with, it's all because about an occupied washington. that's why we've gotten here, gentlemen, that's all the time we have a one. i think my gets in nashville and, and delmore, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us c r t. see you next time, remember crossed up the the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the headlines right now if you are not see a drone attack, killed the hamas deputy leader into a route. but the lebanese leadership accused it is way out of driving the country towards confidence. like the likely 5 civilians, including a baby are too old and is rarely striking the headquarters of the palestinian red crescent. thousands with sheltering in the building, which was clearly marked as a humanitarian side facility. clearly marked with a red present emblem on the roof. and just 2 hours ago you can see behind me and all around me, loose area was hit and it doesn't service right. assuming that country's military