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well, there are security operatives, but they need to do more and improve cushions. and on january the 15th, every year my terrier remembers it serviceman and fallen heroes along with the families they left behind. the country also holds a national reef lane ceremony to honor of a debt, but instead of an on or recognition many or hoping some of the same shades for goods are well the route. so this is news out and do check out all to don't call those are really interesting. so is that and will be back of the out. the daniel ellsberg, probably the most famous and most highly revered national security whistleblower in

american history, died in june at the age of 90 to 4 months before his death. then sent an email to his friends telling us that he had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. and that his doctors have given in 3 to 6 months to live. the email was up deep positive. dan said that he had had a good long and productive life and then he would spend his remaining days freaking out and fighting against nuclear weapons. that's exactly what he did with dignity and then zone terms. i'm john curiosity and this is the whistle blower, the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 in 1970, daniel ellsberg provided a great service to the american people, the importance of which cannot be overstated. he leaked something called the pentagon papers. they were thousands and thousands of pages of classified analysis

that he had prepared for the rand corporation proving that the white house and the defense department had been lying to the american people about the war in vietnam. the next administration and the johnson administration before it had been saying for years that the united states was winning the war in vietnam, that was simply not true. ellsberg discreetly made copies of the pentagon papers and sent them to trust a journalist at the new york times and the washington post. he also provided the documents to senator mike ravel a democrat from the state of alaska the times and the post published stories based on depending on papers and sen. brookville submitted the document into the congressional record automatically de classifying it. the nixon administration was outraged the f. b. i quickly identified ellsberg as the source of the leak, and he was arrested and charged with espionage nationals. dirty advisor, henry kissinger called him the most dangerous man in the world. his potential punishment for the espionage charges was 150 years in prison. but the nixon white

house overplayed his hand. president nixon had ordered aids to break into ellsberg psychiatrist's office to steal his medical records and to link them to the press to discredit them. but they were caught and the operation backfired. in the end, a federal judge dropped all of the charges against ellsberg. it was in the daniel ellsberg became a lifelong activist. he was not the typical anti war crusader. he was a republican. he was a marine corps veteran, but his new mission in life was to work against the war and especially against nuclear weapons and nuclear proliferation. we're going to speak with 2 of daniel ellsberg, personal friends, randy credit, go a long time comedian and social justice activist. the former director of the william m counselor fund for social justice and host of the radio show live on the fly, which airs every friday afternoon in new york and armand county. he's

a former, colorado county commissioner and executive director of a national youth sports charity. gentleman, welcome to the show. i'd like to begin by asking both of you how you met dan ellsberg for all of us who knew him. it was a memorable event. certainly, randy, i think you and dan went back pretty far. how did you meet? actually, we didn't seem like it because i met them. uh, i called them up, but i think about 3 years ago to do one of my shows on a julia to such as 2021, mid 2021. and we had a great conversation. he knew all the people that i knew, william counselor, for example, and we got into a lot of stories by phone. and then he did a show by himself for an hour and a half. and then the, and suing couple years, he did it 9 times. and including the last time i spoke to him, he put it on so he interviewed me. and that was like 4 or 5 weeks ago. and that was

it. and so, you know, that's my history with daniel ellsberg. and on almost immediately after meeting, den ellsberg, you spent some real quality time with him. tell us about that. yeah, in march of i think it was march of 2015. i flew up to new york. there was a conference, the 72nd anniversary of the dropping of the on thomas and japan. and there were some, there was a survivor there. there were people from japan, dan was one of the keynote speakers and i flew out there because he was a here of mine. from when i was a young lad in 8th grade. and i wanted to meet him, and i walked up to them after he had spoken induced myself to him, lied to him, said i was a blogger,

and asked if i could interview. and then we went into a, a quiet room and i interviewed him and then we went to lunch. i asked him if he had any lunch plans. i said no, we went to lunch and then i'll get into this later. but i ended up spending 10 days with him at his house in may of 2015. help him with the book of the doomed a machine that was just in its final drafts and interviewed them for 40 hours on how america has liked to go to war. randy, you're a close friend of julian assigned someone for whom den ellsberg had a great deal of respect. tell us about dance commitment to julian and about the relationship between the 2 of them. well i, i don't think all the people have been doing that assign shelf since the 2016 account down to freedom. and, and i, i've had you on many times at john pilcher and craig murray and so many others that are close to his lunch. but i gotta tell you,

dan ellsberg those 9 times. each time he was different. each time he was poetic, each time you could see that commitment in the never spirit himself. when i said i'm going to be doing a show on his on she says i'm in. uh so uh that guy at age and he was like just in for him. he was in for daniel hale and for you and for a jeffrey sterling and so many other a whistle blowers and but that, that assigned case really got to him. and he spent so much time we had conversations. so once a week i call him on his phone and say that al squared year speak up. so i speak up and act and we have, we just loved the conversations. we are serious guy, a very serious guy. we did have a sense of humor, and we have these like a lovely chat. but the assigned case, like i said, nobody was more zealous and fervent and eloquent. then daniel ellsberg

on, i want to ask you about that quality time that you spent living with daniel ellsberg and with his family. this was during the period when dan was experiencing writer's block of all things in trying to complete his epic work on the history of nuclear weapons. tell us about that and about how he was able to break through and complete that book. well i 1st i'd say just spending 10 days with dan and patricia in their home that um was a life changing for me. and i was uh, it was a week of my 56 birthday. and dan is a very, very prison man. he, without questionnaires, may be, was, may be one of the greatest intellect. so of our time a last of the mohicans. and we would sit in his office and studio in library with

a 1000 books on or, and american history. and the 1st or 2nd day that i was there, and just in his presence and with all these books, i was just and, and he would, he can talk, you would ask a question and he could go on one time in our interview, i asked him a question and i think he went for almost 4 hours without getting up going the bathroom or drinking any water. he, he had a mind that was just there's no words to explain it. and he did this with a, as randy and said, with a great presence and a great kindness. and a great mindfulness for the person who was asking the questions. one of my favorite stories is i think on the 3rd or 4th night there patricia and dan are sitting there . we're having dinner. and patricia says the dance of dan, how was that? uh, working with

r and and dances. i've never had anyone who could do it on does and i said, mom, dad and at the dinner table and we laughed and patricia turns to me and says, how do you do it? and i said, well, dan has at least 10 stories going simultaneously. any waves them together with a conclusion, a crate of ending. he's a sort of, uh, it's it, you just have to group this into a certain way and, and he would annotate the new york times as he was reading that. and for breakfast i, i'd be sitting there and he'd be, he'd be taking notes. he had a photographic memory, he had the ability to constantly over his life time to be reviewing every thing that was coming out from freedom of information. and at one point i said to him, how come no one is talking or writing about this. he said, because this information has only come out in the last 5 years. so what dan was

able to do was give this oral history of how america has essentially liked to go to war over 50 years. because he started out in this field with the ran institute when he graduated, harvard with a doctorate degree and followed all along the way. and he made himself available to anyone. you saw this. and when people were remembering him how they met him in protests, if it was 30 years ago 20 years ago, and the time he gave them in order to make them feel like what they were doing was so important to our society. thank you. randy credit co and armand county for talking to us about your friend the greet whistleblower daniel ellsberg. we're going to continue discussing the legacy of daniel ellsberg after a short break and stick around to hear how he's dedicated his final years to stopping the proliferation of nuclear weapons state to.

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the welcome back to the with the doors. i'm john to reaku. we're speaking with comedian and social justice activist randy credit co and was former colorado county commissioner and youth sports charity director ondemand coney about their friends. the great whistleblower. daniel ellsberg. gentlemen, thanks again for being with us. randy. one of the things that dan devoted a great deal of energy on, especially in the last decade and a half of his life was the repeal of the espionage act. dan always believed that the espionage act was unconstitutionally broad and vague. and he wanted many whistle blowers including chelsea manning and jeffrey sterling to appeal their convictions. when that didn't happen just 2 years ago, dan leaked more classified information and asked the justice department to arrest him and to charge them with espionage. but that didn't happen. tell us about that

as well. you know, dan, of course, was very daring guy and he was dedicated to repeal of the espionage act which came in 1917, basically as a tool everybody knew and congress when they voted for that it has nothing to do with the ferreting out the german spies and everything to do with repressing i any descent of the entry into world war one. that's what it was all about. and almost all but 9 people who were arrested and convicted under that espionage at all but were, were non german super 9 german sap were ranked were rounded up over that period of time. and then of course, it was used during the 1st red scare. uh but uh, but dan knew all about it, it was, it was illegal or because an archaic long it had no purpose. and he said that what it was being used for it was, you know,

it was like the electrician steak receives act, a secrecy atkin, bread and that's what it had be come, that's what it was, a tool of to do what the breast do and, and it would totally separate the 1st amendment and he was obsessed with it and i just wanted to say add on what arms are saying about nuclear war and is obsession with that. the last time i spoke to him last time i spoke to him, i just got back from don't ask him variable in my scale and he wanted to get a feel on what it was like there. because he was very pessimistic about the future . he thought that nuclear war was coming, and so he said to me a favor, let's get off the phone. let's talk about assume, and that's what we talked about. what i was sharing from commanders in a don't ask about the use of a nuclear weapon. and she said everything that you told me confirms what i believe . and so he did, that was good to do

a book out when we talked about that that goes what was it the tuesday and yeah. machine. yeah. so we talked about that, and that was that i think was one of the last shows i had him and scott ritter on his book and dan, talking about nuclear war. so it was assigned to the 1st amendment espionage. jackie was obsessed with trying to get repealed and uh the, the possibility and probably. ready the of a, a nuclear paula cass holocaust. so um jan was so passionate and, and it's in my keep just buried himself into everything that he did that he was committed to really did. and he was definitely a voracious reader and up to date on everything. and, and a very, a genteel individual and unselfish, i mean, really an incredible role model. the fact that he buried himself into these issues, even as a slate stage in his life. it reminds me of i of stone at age 80,

going to greece chandler x out of sweet, ancient greek, to write the above the trial o'clock, but takes on. i want to ask you about something that dan devoted his final years to that was the fight to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons. he was passionate about this topic. tell us about that. i think this is what mixed in such a fascinating hero of our time is that he never wavered in his commitment to bring a speaking truth to power. and he, you were asking about his writer's block. i, you could say it that way, but dance intellect was one that no one could hold a candle to. so he was a perfectionist by my terms. and i said, after reading the draft of the book, this is done. what do you need more of an order to do? and it took another couple more years to finish it. but he always made himself

available. obviously, as he got older, it became more difficult for him to travel around, but he would go to washington. you go to other places, he was always on there. when he passed away, all of the main stream media was trying to bring the story back to what happened in 1971 when he released the pentagon papers. but in fact, what it was trying to talk about was, where are we now, and what is the danger of how close we are to ending the world? and he says this in his book and to simplify it. it's not just one person in the us or a russia that has the ability to make the call and releasing a nuclear bomb. this is handled all the way down stream. and then if anyone makes a mistake, if anyone was to make a call in different countries, i believe it's 9 or 10 countries that have nuclear weapons that we could, we could be a just such a difficult time and

a game changer and an ending. and so he kept wanting to put this out and it kept understanding that the media wanted to do the story of what the highlight was. and this is how we started our relationship in terms of me asking them questions. he said, how do you understand all this so, so well, i was always fascinated on how the newspapers wanted to cover the injunction on them rather than the contents of the pentagon paper. and i would implore every one this book is out of print, but the secret should be a book that is required reading in every high school in america. because it really gives you a dna about how, how an empire called the united states. it would make a plan in order to go into a new illegal war. randy, what do you believe the legacy of daniel ellsberg will be a j cable will grow and in stature. uh, you know,

for ever more i did. the fact is, the man was very dedicated. do you mean he was? what? uh uh, melville called, uh, john brown. uh, you know, a bd, there's a receipt every so often in life. and he was one of those either so dedicated, willing to go to jail. he was willing to go to jail and 7170 to do what get to say it was more important that he go to jail a then can not do what he did. so in any 5 for all of his life, from that point on that to do the right thing and, and to support the, just to, to fight against a military adventure. and the people who were unjustly jailed uh, you know, and, and that's it. and he just, just one sent to it and never flinched. and just so even all the way and show he was 91 years old, $91.00 plus the guy never met the never,

it never subsided. his, you never saw subside, or the energy and dedication that go on foot out there. and so it's an expiration because he was so self listened, that it's an inspiration if he can do it at that age. you know, because i know patricia, you say wait a 2nd. i gotta show the due date. i got 3 tomorrow i, i much pressures is going to kill me 5, you know? but he always, always wanted to get out there and get to work out a very wise person, and he disseminated that information. as i said, uh, you know, uh, without hesitation and very selflessly was he dedicated to, to his wife's work. so i think that dan ellsberg 50 or so now the world is still here in, in a, b, m e. and what do you call just the actual liberties live in the, in the, in the east river, like it was in the plant under the age, the charlton heston. we will, we will,

which we will. she will be bigger than ever. they'll look back at this man. if society grows in the right direction and on then was a major figure in my life and in yours, i want to believe that our children and their children and will learn about him and about his bravery in school. do you think that will be the case? and i know because he was so advanced. i had 24th of july. so ago i was in california with my children who are now almost 19 and 17. and i called dan up and we went by his house for an hour and a half, and i had to prime them and explained to them what the vietnam moore was and the release of the pentagon papers. and that was all for people like us who are dedicated to what is happening with our governments and societies we take for

granted that their gender are our children's generation are barely getting an understanding of what has happened in our lifetime. what i would like them to be remembered for by those who have had the chance to look up to them. the anti war activists like myself and, and the others is that dan was a north star for us in so many different ways. one is i spoke to, i don't think there are many intellects like him who could retain the, the volume of information. we have to think of the, the arc of his work and what he was able to do and, and talk about and that he is as and randy said he was on wavering and the fight. he has shown us that speaking truth to power as the true ethics in life. you can only really think of a couple of heroes who would be willing to give up their life for the cause if it's

a now samantha, if it's a martin luther king. john, you're a hero of mine. if it wasn't for dan meeting daniels birthday, never meet you and we've become close friends. there's only a handful of people if it's julian assange. if it's edward snowden, that has taken on this cause to reveal the lives of our government. and so as people for under standing getting out of under this rock or pushing away the cloud in the midst information and the gas lighting of our educational system of our think tanks or of our media stand will always be someone that someone should and could discover and that's what you will be known for as somebody who revealed that after world war 2 that america lied to go to war and kill millions of people and we did it again and again in the last 50 years. thank you. randy credit,

co and argument tony for joining us. and thank you to our viewers. as i said at the start of the show, it is impossible to overstate the importance of daniel ellsberg in national security was a blowing. i've called him the godfather of all whistle blowers, without dan ellsberg and his courage there would never have been an edward snowden, a chelsea man and a tom drake. or even a john curiosity. i'll be forever grateful to stand for his friendship, his guidance, and his sacrifice. my life was richer because dan ellsberg was in it. i'm john to reaku. thank you for watching the whistle blowers until next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the

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