and in the context of coming to continue in, get the resources right. it's the niecy on is the, is, is the oil. but yeah, so the goal about these was a being somehow for to, in a different shape. it is not very different from the reason they were there in 1920 . that's lovely. it's almost the same reason they were there with the process of colonization. but this is a different way of doing it. and it forces as not to pick up um, but i think after everything that was known from our lead us with the level of education, we need to invest in all people. but the young people who i had to change it to who have a very sense, a very big sense of being african and wanting to do the best with the content they need to night. the right predictions on predicament sir. focus next. as we joined peter in guest for a low cross talk style about 2020 for me. bring us. stay close for that. it's right ahead here on 247 or to enter the

the hello and welcome the prospect we're all things are considered. i'm peter will about as we start the year 2024, it's fair to ask whether we were approaching another world war. indeed one could make the case. the 3rd world war has already begun. the flash points are obviously praying and gaza. there's no denying western hegemony is being challenged, and headphones never willingly relinquish power. the

discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guessing budapest way of george central wiley is a pod cast where the guy goal, which can be found on youtube and locals, and america hash reprocessed to mark j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator heart settled across top roles that that needs to can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate credit. let's start out with george and in budapest as we enter the new year. as i said in my introduction, george has a lot of flash points out there. but is it, it should we start thinking about connecting them and there are other ones to what's going on in north africa? of course the by the ministrations obsession with time one of the there's seems to be a growing trend tier of more instability. and as i also highlighted in my introduction, hedge funds don't give up easily connect those dots if they're connected. both george, well, i think they all can make the bullet here. you're absolutely right. the bill that

had your moms do not give up a pile of easily if effect the he, they the fight like hell to retain the power. and we do see that in the case of, of the united states, and they obviously this, they, the ukraine conflict in which the united states will, under no circumstances, if they just readily admit that they have lost the war with russia. this goes against everything that the united states as being above above a 100 years. and that of course you have a problem in the middle east and the secretary of state them anthony blinking is once a game in the middle east. and as the media reported, oh, he's trying to time down change shows. he's trying to avoid escalation. but it's a little bit late because uh you have to, the escalation is already there. and you got the, the situation on the board of with lab on where it is. this goes to explode

at any moment. and then of course, you have a situation in the red sea with the united states and the u. k. doing blustering a great deal about how they going to launch a miss ios at the t's um that it could go towards no serious problems. but because there is a big issue of, uh, iran and the united states because it doesn't know what to get into a, a war with around. but if it continues down this path, and if it is unable to bring some kind of restraint, a doesn't look at he's able to bring some restraint to what to israel's actions a, what were the wrong? this is a distinct possibility. so there's a lot of the tension of a game and given the incompetence weakness of the bite and administration like it could easily be exploded into the sort the something along those lines. so we'll go

straight in market with all the more. so if we look at specifically in gaza, you know, george did a good job of, of going through the menu of the complex and related to that. but it's a, by the ministration with this simply and forcefully call for a ceasefire. it would kind of take a lot of the, the, the energy and then figure out of what's going on in the middle east. but the bind ministration has no intention of doing that. as a matter of fact, we keep hearing the administrative side. they're trying to de escalate. that's why boeing comes in the region. well, one can make the argument, and i certainly would then it's actually escalating it as long as there's no pressure on israel to change its behavior. we're going to go up to the escalation latter as well. and so, you know, as i said before, and it shows you what the biggest worry is, of course miscalculation. this is what really is keeping of wanting wake at night, you know, as binding ministration does not very good track record of that system was where we

always with ukraine and daily stilton and, and because as you mentioned, so that's very worrying. but i think the efforts, the button to ministration to, to some extent, try and push forward the escalation originally was intensifying or supporting the israel. um sloth on 30 pages and goals are, which is still going on. now, i was somewhat encouraged by just a few days ago, one of my journalists wrote a piece in lebanon about how his blood and he's really is what street pulled back from the border and reduced the numbers of soldiers and, uh, the, the, the, the intensity is because it's been submit to some point they haven't stokes, does it have reduced or they have that she pulled away from the abyss for the moment. um, but you know, it's, it's when you look at ponds and you look at a 19 seventy's much an age as model of the gemini anyway, you know, and i think this is where the appalled the problem is. they're all button is

surrounded by just functional, outdated, and that connects to the useless institutions like united nations. you know how existing that hey i'm, i'm the, i'm the you and the central that. so, you know, he's still living his dream of being in light tonight. he's the president, i think not the really the point that's really interesting part of the way you frame it. and i absolutely agree, you know, george, you know, we can, you know, it's always hard to look at, you know, when something, you know, in 1945 something. and that everybody agrees with that. but when it comes to, when things start that, so you know, we can say those type of world war started in 1939. well, the chinese would say, well, the japanese were built in bothering us before that, i mean with these certain discrete moments are very difficult when you're going into accounts like and actually when you think about it since 1945, a lot of complex really don't come to an end with notable exceptions,

routing of the americans and, and southeast asia. but, you know, if we look at the architecture of the world, you know, last year and now russia is going to be a heading breaks this year. these are new vehicles here, and it seems to me that when we look at the case of the condemnation of israel around the world for what it's doing in gaza and the us never really couldn't nato and in the land, never really to get the world on fire for ukraine. it's because, you know, the g 7 represents circle interest and it's not the interest, nominally speaking of the world anymore. this is what's going on. there's a dis disconnect with institutions that the west control and most people are taking a whole home or even say, we're not, we don't want to participate. you know, you're the red sea, that's your problem. we didn't create it, don't get us involved. you see what i'm getting at churches, there's also an institutional break. a good thing. so was this like, is it? um, off the 1945. you had the um,

the era of the bipolar world. um, which meant that the united states, you know, basically had it's, um, uh, satellite states um, who did its bidding. um, there was a block led by the, uh, the soviet union. and the united states go respected that block and basically said, well, we had a win win, know going to mess with that. but because it's really dangerous, you never know is these people. and then i said, genuinely, was afraid of the soviet union. the problem arose the thing with the really the unipolar moments in 1991 when this uh the, this alternative blog collapse. and ever since then, which now more than 30 years ago, the united states has sold to dominate the world. because of now that the soviet union is gone. there isn't the bipolar well that it was just simply a one poll. well, we dominated and no one can challenges. and of course that is not happening. i mean,

this was, oh, busy the totally delusional. you know, the, this was the full yamma pulse of its moments. it was a delusional moment. and now there are all these other things they do listed that come to the service, the united states, when he doesn't accept that and refuses to abide by any of the restrictions. that's where the very dangerous, because uh, the united states as an excessive regard for itself. and therefore he's doing things now that he would now have done, you know, back in the bipolar well thinking what we can just do it, you know, with, with, with, with so strong. no one can a challenge us. and this is where it gets very dangerous. so this is a way to even kind of going towards where you're going to need to. and we looked at the 2 blocks during the cold war during the unipolar moment, as actually allowed allowed. i say with the air quotes, the united state is to make decisions for its allies like blowing up the north stream pipeline. i mean, you know, can come worse than your own allies to,

to be in this by for creative world. either you, you with us or against us, okay. i thought we, we, we realize that that's not a very same way to move forward because world is not multi polar right. now, martin champion on that because, you know, you know, we have these different blogs, but they're very different than they were during the cold war. yes, things have changed a little and i wonder, i read them take george's point as it was very good one. but to take, take the point for a one to actually, wanda, was all the fact that there is now multiple in a world now. and that there are literally scores of countries in the global self who are just tired of being insignificant in the united nations. and i'm looking for a new to a political about a new, a new sense of being where they feel the input and their role is taken most seriously and sprigs, tense, and steve additional breaks, you know, going from what's included. i wonder whether this is actually how many the impacts on the west. i'm actually provoking people, i bite into does sort of, you know,

with these conflicts and he would pass previously in, um, in the, in the previous model whether it just wasn't some, you know, others, those on the other players out there who, who can actually get organized and actually kind of have an impact. well, i mean, made it to that point martin, you know the torches. but pointed out correctly is that the head during the cold war, the us that it's, it's blocked. they were careful, they were careful not to get themselves into a jam where they could separate defeat, meaning great powers don't bite great powers. that's not a good idea because you can lose. but the binding ministration has seemed to as a band. and that martin. yeah, they have, and this is the real worry and you know, and the e u is more or less supporting everything that the, by the management ministration does. and so we don't have a, a safety catch. we don't have a hand break, we don't have a mechanism. some of you know, i'm older, perhaps more experienced people around the world who can actually meets and say

something needs to be done. somebody needs to be done to actually installed some commonsense into this. well, i mean that during the cold bargain to kind of is a steel george's went here as a restraint was actually a good thing, but no restraint is a, it is a bad thing. they say it's really interesting how we have the ball okay. from this unit polar moment, it's far more dangerous now than ever was during the cold war going more. yeah. and you know, and i think that there was because of that is a very real risk. i wonder how i can put this. there is a very real risk that this must spend it about pulling cliches of world war 3 is a realistic one, you know, and the bottom administration and within his own people. but you've been telling and start using this expression model 3, you know, and even republicans using a lot now. um for their own mechanism, their own ideas of run political leverage. but you know, it's,

it's pretty scary. i mean, they all the altima is, but we won't reach world war 3 scenario because the 2 major powers in the world, i'm not actually taking partials of each other. and i'm not reckoning one of them also. um, but the huge question is, relationships, you know, how much of value does it run place on its relationships with, say, the empties or has blow 11 on and these, you know, and that, and that's the really big the big question. and the same on the american side, you know, obviously when you have the access of resistance, there's a certain point in time where you put up or shut up. and this is one of those moments gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion whether we're approaching the 3rd world war, stay with r t the, the, the

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over the last 2 years, biden's war uh, proxy warning in ukraine. and you know, it could be the soft power element just just isn't working any way to, you know, they, they kick at the us cat charm of the world's anymore. i, i believe that it did it one time during the cold war. i think it was cell phone was quite meaningful. okay. but the cell power, now it just isn't there. and it gives you the kind of echo with something martin said in the 1st part of the program. it's allowing people to say, yeah, i don't think so. okay. was something that would have been on speaker will 3035 years ago. george? yes, i think so. um, the problem is, is that the by the people have made the case on very busy a logical grounds. i mean it's which again goes back to what we're talking about in the 1st off, which is why the world is so dangerous. it is that the vitamin ministration has made this so that it's a uh, a configuration. democracy and we'll talk, proceed,

we'll far, it's aaron ism is on the monitor around the world. the united states needs to, uh, but i couldn't bring it to an end. this module, oh, the certainly no could have made sense and 19721974. right? but at this, but they did the us it right. but a 90 to 7270 for the, the retirement of the voices in the west were coming from, let's say, you know, the nixon administration, which is despite all differences, we need to work together full, the good of mankind. all the go to the world. you know, we need peace and co operation. that was a little chest, so yeah, yeah, yeah, we have a differences. we don't like the soviet system. we don't like communism, but we have to work with that. and that's very different from what the biden is doing by who's making this into a, kind of an absolute this, you know, millenarian, a conflict that's really very dangerous. so he's doing things that i know it would

have thought. so in the past, such as seizing rushes central bank reserves and handing it over to ukraine. now this is $300000000000.00 or whatever dollars it set to be. who knows whether it's actually the number is, but that's really pushing the envelope and that, and this is, you know, this because it just simply what a wild idea that was once report and it's a, it's continually being reported in the media that this is something the bible people are pushing long reluctance europeans and the you know, have to bind people bush, then they will get the way your bins resistance and they always evaporates. so when you have a this, a conflict that is described as such absolute, his terms and with vitamins also in domestic politics. i mean his speech the other day against trauma. but his supporters is a game and i kind of really, or is it like a cooling for a civil war in the united states?

that's where it gets very dangerous because and you know, you, you're going to keep going, keep going until essentially that will be a conflict. i mean, it's, hopefully, obviously a new brain is where it's very dangerous, but it going to happen, going to take place and them at least the wrong. as far as the buying people concerned is above all this of the axis of evil. they don't use the term, but then of course here to receive the fax is illegal. that means is a risk, some kind of in, in an explosion with iran on behalf of the who, diesel, around behalf of test bull against israel. the united states will be drawn in on the dividing regime. okay, but that's just the point and that's what makes this so much different than the cold war. mark me is that i'm of the opinion. george just said, is that instead of, you know, we have blinking going with the 6th trip. i mean of, if he has have accomplished anything by this, by that, what do you do it? but anyway, that's beside the point it, but it seems to me, and you have to think about this counter intuitively,

is that these people and they are by the administration and the people that be the simple followers in europe, which are not worth speaking about anymore. they want, this is this, they want escalation, this is a time to solve all problems. this is very ideological. we take care of from us. we take care of his blog, who these interact all at once, okay? this magical thinking and that's what it is. but there are people taking that market. i don't know, i'm no, i'm not sure they do think that i wonder whether they're kidding themselves. you know, i, can they really be the something right recently. but what, what, who $91.00 us present in the since 1979 who is even durance on coming around. and i'm believing that they could put it off in the american presidents traditionally. well with, with mr. bolton in the white house. they were that far away. anyway, let's leave specially building out of it. the problem is, is that whether you believe in the soft power or not, you know this, this, most people don't even know what it means. but you know,

in the middle east that finding my money to buy my 2015 waste right in the side. and then the whole, sure. uh, the whole house of cards just collapsed. and every single person in this part, well realized, actually it's just a paper tiger, this, this whole idea that you can keep germany going to pop it up and you know, and, and make it appear to be much more powerful. and that is what the problem is. we don't even have soft palate anymore. so i think we are, we all varying towards escalation because it's the only thing in town for the binding ministration to keep face. you know, there was no of a, you know, hopefully house there was no great to promote a machine behind him. there's no soft power behind him and, and that's something that reinforce that, that doesn't that reinforce what i said in my introduction in george, i think is already mentioned in the headphones. they'll go away, pick up their marbles and go home they night. okay, exactly. i mean, we've got people that bite and who do not have the intellect or the full size of

the experience to actually look forward and to and to, to reject the model to reinvent america's america's role in the west. you know, and, and this site. and so like, what's in the british empire collapse of the 2nd level, you know, one of those african countries lining up for independence and our economy in a tailspin. no on really having a vision, you know, of how to go forward and that. so as soon as came about, because the total identity crisis, unit, known as you know, as think the same thing is happening was, was, but let's hope, let's pray we never got so, so it was scenario, but i think if we ever do get to it's just because the, the self power idea that we have doesn't really exist. you know, if you look at american intervention, the last few years, know libya, syria, iraq, of kind of start old as aust, as old situations that have blown up spectacularly in the face of america. and we're still paying for it today, you know, people that buy it and probably look at those and use and put them on the score sheet on one side. on the other side, they say, well yeah, but you know,

we did really what i need to solve it. that was a great victory for us. and we also one stopped laughing we want and that's gonna start in 8. you know, i'm in the service pulls out, you know, they believe this. yeah, but i mean, but the, certainly the biology, i'm sorry you shouldn't said you have a slot because it got george in the book. i know, i mean, i've been upsetting them up. i'm thinking about having a site go i, i really think my mother, they qualify it by saying that the that's what they think. and that's the question, but i do think that yeah, so and again, well, i need to ask them they don't even know the real history. yeah, i don't know that, but they do see that as the, the, the power the i'm of how are you triggered a conflict then you pretend to be the uh, you know, the, the peacemaker, the one who's going to resolve the conflict. and then of course, you know, you do that, you basically just a big, big glass of late everything and keep it nicely bubbling along. i mean, the, as

a to, because even now. so the way to the united states or the nato is continually threatening to get back in, you know, the bass, the recalcitrant serves the cost of, oh, well, the recalcitrant sub zone in boss and that's a got enough which i can certainly look like. do you think that's because it would be an easy victory? they do this, even though there's an easy victory, and i think that it's what drives so many of these interventions see is that, um they the, the united states things that they can get an easy fix for. and then they can simply ship would cost onto uh, somebody else. and that's really what the formula has been in ukraine, which is that, well, we can just simply raise the costs to them. you know, that's what we did enough. got his them in the 19 age, is that what is relatively cost free for us? it's quite costly for them and i think that's, that's what drives these interventions. the problem i think is that your brain is

different from, as got his son, and i think is that they, americans have been from the stop playing a very dangerous game. and uh i, i don't, i don't see a movie any, any sign that they, they want to stop with this, particularly as um this list is what by them is about by vitamin is just simply is illogical creature, you know, he, you know, he's the, is, is driven by this, this is money can view of the world grand. when you really buy that, then you just don't stop and i don't, i just don't see any of the kind of restraint you might have had with with chrome, trump what i think the more straight i don't see this with by them. well martin, you live in the, is it our entire lives with a ball, a child middle least here. um, what are your tea leaves fit for 2024 and in the middle east because there's so many moving pieces right now. you've already mentioned a number of them, but if, if there is the perception that the united states is a paper tiger, which i think we should be careful about,

that there were aircraft carriers and bonds and asking people of gas, it is not paid for tiger. but, but the perception of the united states as a decision maker, what is i think, how do you see 2024 playing a very bleak. yeah, i don't have anything positive to say about it. and i, there is a waiting game going on with many, many arrow believes, you know, but the whole issue, garza has driven a wedge right through. so i made the region much, much more in security now because you've got those on one side to actually play some more now in support of, of, of other settings. because those who were banging the drum for a long time and pretends to be so bold as persons and often, and virus, and re know which way to turn like the sound is when you go the others who are in the way into deep. and they're going to stick right to the very end in support. israel like morocco, an amorous. so you know it. ara believe me, things are going to be that are interested in, you know, they, they will,

they will um, send all of us before with them for sort of girls on the internet of middle aged guys holding a sleep. you know, sometimes even with custody on the front of the room, waste goes up no disrespect to waste because they're of the refund institution. but um, you know, the last minute question of how the, the middle east is going to shape up. it's going to be more fractured, more and stable, unstable, and more vulnerable to super powers. i'm partners out there in the world. and that's my last question. before i left on that is that increase the leverage of the united states or decrease it a well i, i don't, i don't see any increase leverage from america. you know, it's not, not under the button administration. the next. now in the waiting game i referred to as well. so i'll come back because of many of the gcc, those are just waiting for that. they see trump not as a silver bullet, but they see the they see him as a guy they can work with. and they can't work, we buy them and you know,

and that's reason nothing that's we were talking earlier about it. we got a long time gentlemen before we can get to january of next year, one year lock and happen as all the time we have one is like my guess and in budapest and america sion, of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember across buckles the, [000:00:00;00]

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