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a true to concerning many thanks for your time and speaking to us and sharing your expertise with his product and ation expressions right now the fine. thank you. i a great, thank you for having me. thank you. coming up next on honestly, international option more times the oscillate, this episode of going on the ground and you kind of close to and me again, some more news and 13 minutes. thanks for watching the mass general tents and welcome back to going underground broadcast. people around the world from the u. a. it's been just over a month since israel failed to prevent massive palestinian resistance, retaliation for decades of slaughter in gaza. the response from tel aviv is thousands of children killed by an agent, nation back, multi $1000000000.00 military industrial complex, un secretary general engineer gutierrez,

won the world not to treat the atrocities of october. the 7th is, if they happen to in the vacuum and no historian has done more to explain the context of mass murder in palestine than professor you then pop a director of the art, the incentive about assuming studies at the university of exeter and author of the ethnic cleansing of palestine, these in haifa, partition from palestine by the u. n. in 1947 progressive i thank you so much for coming on again on the going, i'm the guy last time you were on the for a book that probably educated the so many of those demonstrating in those native nations against what's happening in the middle east right now i've got to really begin by asking you why the lack of compassion across israel, for gods, or i know a lot of the images, a sense of the nature of nations presume in as well as well, but why the lack of seeming compassion for what the rest of the world is seeing israel's troops due to gaza. a thank you living you once again having me once again on your, on your program. i think that there's nothing you in the way under level

compression isn't as you say, i mean i've been experiencing it normally for the service of october. if i tried to speak with is really just on the human side of the catastrophe of 1948. i failed to see any compassion i. ready remember. ready the, the at tech on goes in to as a 2014 with the event by the high a number. ready of children killed and i couldn't it extract any compassionate reaction for most of these really dues i knew and definitely there was no compassion convey to the main and media all through the the disclose of that politician. why is it happening? i think this has a lot to do with. ready nature. ready of of design isn't as a circular colonial movement and. ready it has to go to the origins and they're

like many of the cervical, even movies like the ones that establish the. ready nighted states in australia, for instance, in order to get rid of the native indigenous population, you had to deal with nice the 1st and foremost and, and there's nothing you in the way is raise the perceived. most of the other thing is even the young ones as potential enemies is an existential danger. they are not getting to that conclusion by themselves. that is the outcome of the very uh, deep indoctrination educational system. and it is sustained by the media. i mean you, you just have to he. ready in benjamin antonio's language, when he talks about the palestinians, people think that this is a new language because of what happens of the 7 of october. but this is because people have very short memory. you spoke this say it. ready as well it is gary or is it by minister and do you really. ready member yourself prime minister making

and the way he talked about that i thought in 1980 do during these a invasion of live alone when he compared alpha to get to that in the bunker. so i'm afraid that this is not unique to the particular. a catastrophe that we are witnessing today. it's a more structural is rarely joyce perception, i would say rakes is deception or the palestinians as a sub human. so infer human as some of our new trends, like z z a, a likes to research on them a government as well. and so i might say that that lack of compassion is reflected, of course, in london, berlin and notably washington had not wanting a cease fire. do you think that many jews in what was palestine understand that the biblical prophecy did do by the american christian right? from which, uh, american politicians get the vote just from that they end up

uh, believing in your day or side on the day of judgment to do you think they understand that this is very lives by the i i remember the, the, the, the honeymoon between venture mean that them, you know, when he was still a, these really and bustle. ready to the united nation, he started in 1992 as this serious connection with the the christian designers. and he was asked about these uh, you know, the find letters that. ready drug, namely, the jews would be either barbecued, didn't have all the to do research on it in this design scenario, the end of time. and he said, that doesn't matter. now with methods is that now we have genuine headlines. and i think that's how these ladies treated, but moses res, i would say i'm aware of course of this. and they just a very even though right,

they don't know very much and their media feeds them. that's kind of narrative and historical knowledge which fits the ideal, legitimate propaganda rather than allows them to be accurate to those thinkers and, and take a more independent position towards the reality. so given what we've been seeing in recent weeks, always seeing the beginning of the end, or could we be seeing the end of israel project? it's a very good question i, i think that uh the internal is really was that uh, kind of raised me full of the savings of october between with i bowled the state of do the name the, the state of the settlers. let's see on a steel black, they turned them in the list and the state at least the most secular. um kind of multicultural version of these really up i think were fighting each other for the future. i think this a despite the fact that it has stopped, of course,

because of the war will be resumed very soon. i. ready really can see the integration void arriving again. is this in closing soul with a? i think that indicates always a big dresser uh for the beginning of the end or on the end of, of the beginning if you want. but uh, i do warm you and the viewer, is there any store in these processes which we to as beginning of and then can be quite long in our lifetime. uh and more important there. uh like dishes and fees. uh we remember the last days of uh a buffet, so as africa and some other origins like that and therefore uh yes, i do think that the. ready validity of this project is not holding water and it'd be the levy, the right the. ready he's,

he's really enjoyed really. so the knowledge it seems as we're going to. ready is only 2 options and i agree with him either a knew nothing about. and this is unfolding in front of our eyes as we speak or a one democratic state if. ready ready i still hope and it has to be, i'm an active list as well as a new story and it has to be optimised. the despite be the unfolding of the 1st option may be was into nash. ready regional intervention, we might build the basis to the 2nd option. there is no 3rd option. the present reality will not stay forever. so it's either adult as the fast or feet or hopefully building a very different future to those palestinians. andrews in the store at the level of palestine. and of course, accompanying all of this uh these uh, warships and perhaps one of the largest nato nation. ahmad is in history in the eastern mediterranean. the form is extra. generally, i really gamma most runs out. it is, joe smiled when i asked,

why is it everyone keeps invoking iran when it comes to hum us as any organization does a boat and it's some guys is the u. s. policy in syria drained with went through a president that said, how successfully is how successful is the media and that's in yahoo and joe biden. and your b indeed is in trying to make out that this is somehow to do with a ron. the october 7th attack, this is, i think we have the best, the narratives and we have something that i agree. ready with the best, the pre text with the context. and namely people use the same as of october as a pretext to implement policies that were unable to implementing food before. let's take the americans. the americans use the, the, the events of the service of october, or is it the tech's to resend or research military presence in the, in the area and to try and win back some of the hazy i'm on the they have lost and

due to their failed policies after 2001 is really does use the event as a pretext to implement massive asked me cleansing, which they could not implemented during the time of the war i do for the time of peace because there was no fees. but if he's entitled no war is really is fully aware of the unit. ready so you can do much more in terms of mass explosions then you can do uh during the time of the. ready work so yes i, i do think that this is one method of now to the other one is of course, to, to build this story that the earnings behind everything like and also boost. it sends all its, uh, you know, whatever you call them hands into, into, oh, oh, faxing, things into, into various areas. instead of, you know, listening to the secretary general's the united nation, who would say,

how much does it need to you're on the listing is don't need to you're on uh to resist as throughout the use of, of. ready of your patient colonization and oppression against these ladies. there's no need for any power from the outside with the regional or international to pay like all of nice people who are exposed to estimate lensing and now getting the size of the policies. they don't need someone from the outside to tell. ready to try and resume is then to drive to the world stop the end stuff. this is going on. these ation and oppression. it's but incredible how some intelligent people in the west already beating this a narrative which comes out of hollywood. but it has nothing to do with the reality on the drawing. anyone who knows the other thing is driving from the very beginning, knows as christians and muslims are involved in it, that it has a very strong left side to it as well. that is relies on

a russia and china and iran in brazil, and other countries are willing to challenge the american has general need. i mean, this is a typical 3rd world on the belonging. this drug. ready that just in terms of period these ation is outside the convention. the framework of most of the on the colonial and successful is driving that happened totally between the 1970s until the end of the last century. but this is an ongoing struggle that belongs to that period. they just didn't materialize it. i know there's a picture on social media and change of are in, in gaza doing the rounds. and it was louise also who we interviewed on this. show the president of bolivia as of to 7 diplomatic relations with israel, we saw colombia acting, energy savers, old china, russia, all these different voices quietly confident that the arab world doesn't really matter when it comes to what's happening in gaza,

regardless of apparently somebody's in saudi arabia on saturday, they don't really have any impact into what happens to palestinians and all the thousands of children being killed. yes, but the, it's a very who's the position by the, our ability james. because unlike the genes themselves or societies are very broad, the listing is still regard. palestine is the same. ready for. ready the struggling will be out of. ready altogether to be deliberated to fries and to progress. so i'm going a such a leeway against the wishes of most of the people who live in the, in these are countries can, that can be very dangerous in the future. i think it's not a coincidence. the, during the so called the out of spring assume many of the demonstrators don't visited with about us being in a flag. i think there is

a kind of an understanding that there is a very complex reality here. you have some regions that assignment committed to the struggle on the side of the by the state is like the syrian one and the same time, they also have their own issues of human rights and civil rights. that the auto blue ones, ones 2 souls which gives you a very clear indication that without a just solution for the palestine question, the other will not be able to deal with issues of human rights and civil rights release itself from the a group of american imperialism and build itself as an independent any both and actor in international relations or has it on by how stop you the more from the director of europe. you incentive about a senior saudis at the university of extra day after this break, the

1941 with the nazis help creation ultram nationalist. the massages the claim, the in defendant state of glaciers. shortly off, the seizing power. they built the scene of us concentration camp a place associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during will go to use dashes, use the cam system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities and political opponents of the fascist regime conditions in the scene of us campbell, who renders the gods tortured to arise and the prisoners, they send them a consultation temps. so most of them died. it was incredible genocide. the

welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the renown just story and then all of the all the ethnic, cleansing of alessandra as a non profit. well, we were talking about instability in this region, but of course it becomes increasingly clear that in the same major countries arming the ledge, genocide in gaza. this seems to be a degree of instability given the british politicians are considering binding the palestinian flag in uh, in britain of shocking the obviously the united states wouldn't do that. they have a, they have a 1st amendment. what makes this conflict and, and as i say in a genocide occurring now, so different in terms of blow back when it comes to a civic society in the united states in western europe. the exist in both the states, the very beginnings that is a risk is this event is it doesn't,

it's all the game changer it's, it's uh, was however, the events in does that will unfold is right. it would still be in a positive state design isn't, would still be a circular, colonial state. and the other thing would still be colonized people struggling with very little regional and international help to try and when they're at negotiation, independence and freedom. so. so i think that it, when you, you view it from that perspective, you can see that there is, there may be a change in the level sup. ready to the civil society, maybe it's even more. ready movie it's higher than it was and there is an exactly the, the mirror image of it. there is even less solar and by the government's in the west to allow the freedom of speech and on palestine. i think all this would, fortunately or unfortunately depends how you look at it, go back to its previous levels. namely,

i'm afraid that the level is also the directors of both of the other thing is, would not be the same after the events and goes again. however, they would end at but on the other end, i'm quite sure that the draconian measures the division of government, for example, is taking may not really stay in place. so that's a really shows us that as active is especially in the solely donkey movement. we should think about this is a chapter that a lot as a, as a, as an event i'll, i'll just call bags and everything we faced as challenges. and the biggest challenge we have at least in the global most and in the west is the civil society that he's very broke on this thing and, and yet unable until today to have any significant. ready insights on the policies of the governments towards palestine. this is that for me is a main issue. i'm, i'm, i'm less vista though though it, i'm outraged schools when president biden,

it tries to explain why he does not support the chinese and russian coal for a ceasefire. which is the. ready normal and, and, and the right thing to do, i know thing how, how they can sleep at night knowing what that means, not to a cold forest east by, but only known. i don't think that this is that different toler policies in the future in the past, and i'm afraid this will be also the policies in the future. i believe my only hope is that somehow the civil societies and so the, during the movement maybe that was them. well maybe the arrow will, would step upgrade. the call is what you want this only diety with it, but this thing is it makes it month. and much more effective factor in changing the reality on the ground. not just in. ready the distilled agend, assigning goes up, but also to change the reality because as you probably know, more than 100 but his being is whitfield since the beginning of the service of

october in the west bank sizes has been arrested without trying and the palestinian citizens and israel being harassed daily and by the police and andrew citizen. so we have here a situation where all the other students all over historically, by this thing, need urgently the international community in the region to intervene because they're in balance of power. at this moment that history is against them, or is there a change because as per events of the un security council of to be you a back resolution? it is now okay, according to london, berlin, washington. that, that killing children. invoice numbers on the basis of their ethnicity is okay. now as a self defense that's now being established. yeah. you know i,

i'm even willing to do them some sort of a margin of, of doubt that they do not fully understand. and it's only about the, the leaders at what the error message they're supposed to is, or how the message to support in it to is a, is understood by these ratings. and then it'll be about the society in the police, the leadership like it is these mass, you know, is you don't follow them and causally, these really flat colors are these very like all the, the, the items dollar with the colors of these various leg. he's right, he's understand, it is a mess. it says we absorbs you for all the things you have done until the service of october. and you've got another free license to do whatever you want. regardless of international and the laws, laws in, in the guise of state. i'm not sure every american, every british policy makers uh, is, is,

this is the kind of message they want. it is well to have. i still hope some of them are the logical of humanity in them. uh, but what we know from the story is it zine is lo, be in america and in britain, even if they would have no doubts whether they took the right decision by giving is rarely stopped lunch. they would be very timid and careful not to a challenge. these are, you know, be in the countries and, and be, you know, exp. ready as to allegations of the same it is and so on. so it's, it's a situation where they are in the reputable that they themselves put themselves in it. and this is an assumption that at least some of them are not as, as colors as you have just described them, you know, totally in different due to the images and in the india and the repos we're getting on and i'll on the basis it's on the guys as good. well,

they were proud about the few trucks coming across the rafa crossing, of course, and for all the international isolation of these nato powers. as regards what's happening, why do you think violent be approved? you then change in being these administrations feel it? so necessary to talk about a 2 state solution after all the work you've done after all the work. so many scholars have done to explain why only a one state solution will solve this question. it is interesting to say that i, i spend a very excellent 2 weeks in china in the beginning of this months teaching and so it. ready is university of cement, do diplomats from the chinese foreign ministry and i put that question to them as well. and i think the the mission that the,

both the russians floor and ministry and it's been useful and mystery feeling bad even though. ready do at least challenge the new disclose that the west is booking and that's what matters now is. ready wow, is road to implemented is the destructive policies and only pay it looks service to a solution in the future. so in any way it is, i hope it is destined to indicate that these 2 powers, these 2 global powers might be more involved in the future. and i still learning what should be the original position, because i think also china, china, and russia until recently. you know, just think about the russian participation about that before we're allowing the west and especially in the united states to be the main mediate. and really this all this boker but to the domain broker,

is they want to replace it with maybe other countries, like the sealants, also africa is broke is probably they would have to study again, the origins of the conflict, the essence of the conflict. and hopefully they would understand that the 2 state solution is not viable anymore. and if there is an international pressure, it should be towards a different kind of political solution. of course, given this discussion between us, it would have poll any member of netanyahu's cabinets. and the left wing, so called left clicking is riley's, how desperate, good, uh, israel, and i mean that you all good of course go to jail any way after this coming to the beginning. but uh, how desperate could the is really leads get. what is the nuclear weapon threats in israel and i think,

but so far i really cannot predict. uh i, i can only tell you what i think happened. so. ready far at these really uh elite is made off to main components. line one is the political one and the other one is the security organization which includes the army and most of the secret service and so on. until today, the additions where contained a limited in their extra is against iran by the people who came for all the security a pillar, so to speak. however, there is a demographic changing those institutions. and quite a lot of people who come from a certain lens are now beginning to climb up in the extra loans. also the security services. so i don't know how long this more goes more problematic, you know, even more risk than i'm willing to give it to them. ready i shall approach towards

the around all the use of nuclear weapons. how long will it be sustained if i'm, if my fear, which would become true, that the demographics of that particular military. and so you're dealing with exchange at which time uh there, by the way this, this lead does not have the speed as you obviously can see it. they oh, they totally agree with the patients about the, the, the destruction of the palestinians and genocide, the policies and ethnic cleansing policies. but when it comes to regional war, i think they're a bit more bushes then they are right, we voted additions. so we have to watch and see whether this balance of power is changing in order to fully answer your a right to an important question. promising you not a problem if i can. a thank you very much and that's for the show and condolences

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