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thousands of children killed by an agent, nation back, multi $1000000000.00 military industrial complex, un secretary general engineer gutierrez, won the world not to treat the atrocities of october. the 7th is if a happens in a vacuum, and no historian has done more to explain the context of mass murder in palestine than professor eli and pop a director of europe. the incentive of allison in studies at the university of exeter and author of the ethnic cleansing of palestine, these in haifa, partition from palestine by the u. n. and 1947. professor bobbie, i thank you so much for coming on again on the going undergoing last time you were on the, for a book that probably educated the so many of those demonstrating in those native nations against what's happening in the middle east right now. i've got to really begin by asking you why the lack of compassion across the israel, for gods, or i know a lot of the images, a sense of the nature of nations, presume in israel as well, but why the lack of seeming compassion for what the rest of the world is seeing israel's troops due to gaza. thank you. living you once again having me

once again on your, on your program. i think that there's nothing you in the way under level compression is you say, i mean i've been experiencing it long before the service of october. if i tried to speak with israelis additional the human side of the test, if it was 1948, i failed to see any compassion. i remember. ready the, the at tech on guys in 122014 with the event by the high a number. ready of to killed and i couldn't add, extract any compassionate reaction for most of these really dues i knew and definitely there was no compassion conveyed through the main and media. also, it was the the disclose of that position. why is it happening? i think this has a lot to do with. ready nature. ready of, of design isn't as

a circular colonial movement. i mean, you have to go to the origins and they're like many of the cervical even movies like the ones that establish the united states. and they'll say the air, for instance, in order to get rid of the native indigenous population, you had to deal with nice the 1st and foremost and, and there's nothing you in the way is raise the perceived most of the other thing is even the young ones as potential enemies as in igloo, essential danger, they are not getting to that conclusion by themselves. that is the outcome of the very a deep indoctrination educational system and it is sustained by the media. i mean you, you just have to he. ready and benjamin antonio's language, when he talks about the palestinians, people think that this is a new language because of what happens of the 7 of october. but this is because people have very short memory. he spoke the same away as well, disagree,

or is it by minister and do you probably remember yourself prime minister begging and the way he talked about the fact in 1980 do during these 80 invasions of live alone when he compared alpha to hitler in the bunker, so i'm afraid that this is not unique to the particular. a catastrophe that we are witnessing it today. it's the most structurally, is rarely joyce perception. i would say rakes is deception or the palestinians as a sub humans or in for you mean as some of our little trains like z z, a likes to do research on them and coming as well. and some i'd say is inside lack of compassion is reflecting, of course, in london, berlin and notably washington had not wanting a cease fire. do you think that many jews in what was palestine understand that the biblical prophecy did do by the american christian right?

from which, uh, american politicians get the vote just from that they end up uh, believing in your day or side on the day of judgment to do you think they understand that this is very little, but i, i remember the, the, the honeymoon between binge, i mean that the me, when he was still a, these really and bustle go to the united nation, he started in 1992, this serious connection with the, the christian designers. and he was asked about these a, you know, the find letters in the contract, mainly the dues would be either bobby, to, you didn't have the ultimate to do research on it in this design scenarios the end of time. and he said that doesn't matter. now with mentors is that now we have genuine headlines and i think that's how these ladies are treated. but moses res,

i would say underwear of course of. ready and they just a very easy to read and they don't know very much and their media feeds them. that's kind of narrative. ready and historical knowledge which fits the ideal, legitimate propaganda rather than allows them to be at critical thinkers and, and take a more independent position towards the reality. so given what we've been seeing in recent weeks, always seeing the beginning of the end, or could we be seeing the end of the israel project? it's a very good question. and i, i think that, uh, the intel is really was that uh, kind of raised me full. the said as of october between with i bowled the state of do the name the, the state of the settlers, let's see on a steel black. they turned them in the list and the state at least the most secular . um,

kind of multicultural version of these really up. i think we're fighting each other for the future. i think this a despite the fact that it has stopped, of course, because of the war will be resumed very soon. i. ready really can see the indication void error opting again, this implosion soul with n. i think it indicates always a precursor. uh for the beginning of the end of the end of, of the beginning if you want. but uh, i do warm you and the viewer is there any story in these processes which we to as beginning of an end can be quite long in our lifetime. uh and more important there uh like dishes and fees. we remember the last days of uh, a buffet, so as after got a some other energies like that and therefore yes, i do think that the,

the whole validity of this project is not holding water and it'd be the levy, the right, the. ready he's, he's really enjoying really so the knowledge, it seems as we're going to is only 2 options. and i agree with him either a knew nothing about. and this is unfolding in front of our eyes as we speak, or a one democratic state for. ready and i still hope and it has to be an active list as well as a new story. and that has to be optimised is that despite the, the unfolding of the 1st option and maybe was into nash. ready and regional intervention, we might build the basis for the 2nd option. there's no 3rd option. the present reality will not stay forever. so it's either adult as the task to feed or hopefully building a very different future for those. but this thing is andrews in historical level of palestine. and of course, accompanying all of this uh these uh, warships and perhaps one of the largest nato nation. ahmad is in history in the

eastern mediterranean. the form is extra, genuinely, i really gamma most runs out. it is joe smiled when i asked, why is it everyone gives invoking iran when it comes to it. i'm us sunni organizations as a boat and it's some guys is the u. s. policy in syria trying to with, through the president that said, how successfully is how successful is the media en espanol and joe biden. and your b indeed is in trying to make out that this is somehow to do with a ron the october 7th at the this is, i think we have the best, the narratives and we have something that. ready the best way to treat text with the context and namely people use the 7th of october as a pretext to implement policies that were unable to implementing food before. let's take the americans. the americans use the, the, the events of the service of october or is it predicts to resend

a research military presence in the, in the area and to try and win back. some of that has them on the they have lost and due to their failed policies after 2001 is really does use the event as a pretext to implement massive asked me cleansing, which they could not implemented during the time of the war. i do for the time of peace because there was no peace but as he's in time of no war is really is fully aware that you're running away. ready or you can do much from. ready or in terms of mass explosions then you can do uh during the time of now. ready or so, yes i, i do think that this is one method of not do the other one is of course, to, to build this story that the earnings behind everything like a and also boost. it sends all its, uh, you know, whatever you call them hands into, into, oh, oh, faxing, things into, into various areas. instead of, you know,

listening to the secretary general's the united nation, who would say, how much does it need to you're on the listing is don't need to, you're on uh to resist as throughout the use of a. ready population college. ready zation and oppression against these ladies. there's no need for any power from the outside with the region lower international to pay like all of nice people who are exposed to ethnic cleansing and now getting the size of the policies. they don't need someone from the outside to tell. ready to try and resume is the to drive to the. ready road stop the end stuff this uh colonization and oppression. uh its but incredible how some intelligent people in the west. uh repeating this uh, narrative, which comes out of the hollywood budget has nothing to do. but we reality on the drought. and anyone who knows the other thing is driving from the very beginning,

knows as christians and muslims are involved in that that it has a very str. ready left a side to it as well. that is relies on a russia and china and iran in brazil. and other countries are willing to challenge the american asian only. i mean, this is a typical says well, on the belonging of this drug. ready that just in terms of period these ation is outside the convention, the framework of most of the on the colonial and successful striving that happened totally between the 1970s until the end of the last century. but this is an ongoing struggle. it'd be last of that period. they just didn't materialize it. i know there's a picture on social media and training of our in, in gaza doing the rounds. and it was louise also who we interviewed on this show, the president of bolivia has of to 7th diplomatic relations with the x ray. we saw colombia acting as your sabres, old china, russia,

all these different voices quietly confident that the arab well doesn't really matter when it comes to what's happening in gaza, regardless of apparently as somebody to inside of the arabian septic. they don't really have any impact into what happens to palestinians and all the thousands of children being killed. yes, but the, it's a very who's the position by the hour of the jews. because unlike the genes themselves, their societies are very broad. philistines still regard. palestine is a symbol for. ready the struggle of the. ready all together to be liberated, to fries and to progress. so i'm going a such a leeway against the wishes of most of the people who live in the, in these are countries can, that can be very dangerous in the future. i think it's not a coincidence. the,

during the so called the spring assume many of the demonstrators don't themselves with about us being in a flag. i think there is a kind of an understanding that there is a very complex reality here. you have some regions that assignment committed to the struggle on the side of the better state is like the syrian one and the same time, they also have their own issues of human rights and civil rights. that the auto blue ones, ones 2 souls which gives you a very clear indication that without a just solution for the palestine question, the other will not be able to deal with issues of human rights and civil rights release itself from the grip of american imperialism. and build itself as an independent any both in active and international relations are having it on by how stop you the more from the director of europe. you incentive about

a senior saudis at the university of extra, after this break, the as we started the year 2024. it's fair to ask whether we're approaching another world war. indeed one can make the case. the 3rd world war is already begun. the last points are obviously praying and god's that there's no denying western germany is being challenged and had 2 months. never willingly horsepower the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the renown just story and then all of the all the ethnic cleansing of palestine dive as a non profit. well,

we were talking about instability in this region, but of course it becomes increasingly clear that in the same nato countries arming the ledge, genocide in gaza. this seems to be a degree of instability given the british politicians are considering binding the palestinian flag in uh, in britain of shocking the obviously the united states wouldn't do that. they have a, they have a 1st amendment. what makes this conflict and, and as i say in a genocide occurring now, so different in terms of blow back when it comes to a civic society in the united states. in western europe, a still exist in both the states, the very beginnings that is least, it gives this event is it doesn't, it's all the game changer it's, it's uh was however, the event in does that. ready unfold is right, it would still be in the pocket state design isn't, would still be a circular colonial state in the listing. it will still be colonized people

struggling with very little regional and international help to try and when they're at negotiation independence and treat them. so, so i think that is where you, you, you and from that perspective you can see that there is, there may be a change in the lives. ready on sup. ready to the civil society, maybe it's even more. ready movie it's higher then it was and there is an exactly the, the mirror image of it. there is even less solar and by the government's in the west to allow freedom of speech and on palestine. i think all this would for tuesday unfortunately depends how you look at it. go back to its previous levels. namely, i'm afraid that the level is also the directives of both for the palestinians would not be the same after the events and goes again however they would end at. but on the other end, i'm quite sure that the draconian measures the debates of government, for example,

is taken, may not really stay in place. so that's a really shows us that as active is especially in the solely donkey movement. we should think about. this is a chapter that a lot as a, as a, as an event i'll, i'll just call tags and everything we faced as challenges. and the biggest challenge we have at least in the global, most and in the west is the civil society. that he's very broke on this thing and, and yet unable until today to have any significant insights on the policies of the governments towards palestine. this is that for me is a main issue. i'm, i'm, i'm less vista though though it, i'm outraged schools when president biden, it tries to explain why he does not support the chinese and russian coal for a ceasefire, which is the most normal and right thing to do. i know thing how,

how they can sleep at night knowing what it means not to california seized by, but only known. i don't think that this is that different toler policies in the future in the past, and i'm afraid this will be. ready the policies in the future i these my only hope is that somehow the civil societies and so the, during the movement maybe that was them. well, maybe the world would step upgrades because what you want this only diety with about this thing is it makes it month and much more effective, fixed or in changing the reality on the ground. not just in. ready the distilled agend, assigning goes up, but also to change the reality because as you probably know, more than 100, but his ears were killed since the beginning of the service of october in the west bank sizes have been arrested without trying. and the palestinians citizens and israel being harassed daily and by the police and andrew citizen. so we have here

a situation. ready were all the other students all over historically, by this thing, need urgently the international community in the region to intervene because they're in balance of power at this moment that history is against them. or is there a change because as per events of the un security council of to be you a back resolution? it is now okay. according to london, berlin washington said that killing children, invoice numbers on the basis of their ethnicity is okay. now, as the self defense that's now being established. yeah. you know i, i'm even willing to give them some sort of a margin of, of doubt that they do not fully understand. and it's only about the,

the leaders at look at their message. they're supposed to his way or how their message to support in it was, well, is understood by these ways. and i told him about the society in the but it is the leadership. i like it is these mess, you know, if you don't follow them and houses are these really flat colors, are these readings like all the, the, the ice of dollars with the colors of these ladies like he's right. he's understand, it is a message that says we absolve you for all the things you have done until the service of october, and you have another free license to do whatever you want, regardless of international and the laws laws in, in the gaza state. i'm not sure every american and every british policy makers uh is, is, this is the kind of message they wanted. this wrote that to had. i still hope some of them are the logical of humanity in them. uh, but what we know from the story is a design is low, be in america and in britain,

even if they would have no doubts whether they took the right decision by giving is rarely stopped lunch. they would be very timid and careful not to a challenge. these are, you know, be in the countries and, and be, you know, exposed to allegations of the same it is and so on. so it's, it's a situation where they are in the reputable that they themselves put themselves in it. and this is an assumption that lease some of them are not as, as colors as you have just described them, you know, totally in different due to the images and, and, and the, and the repos we're getting on and i'll on the basis. it's only does this good. well, they were proud about if you trucks coming across the graphic crossing, of course, and for all the international isolation of these nato powers. as regards what's happening,

why the using violent be approved. you then change in being these administrations feel it so necessary to talk about a 2 state solution after all the work you've done after all the work. so many scholars have done it to explain why only a one state solution will solve this question. it is interesting to say that i, i spend a very excellent 2 weeks in china in the beginning of this month teaching and so in . ready universe, these summit, few diplomats from the chinese foreign ministry and i put that question to them as well. and i think the the mission that the both the russians for an administrative image and use long list, a few let them know. ready as to at least challenge the new this goes the west is putting that's what matters now is. ready so is road to implemented is the

destructive policies and only pay a live service to a solution in the future. so in any way it is, i hope it is destined to indicate that these 2 powers, these 2 global powers, might be more involved in the future. and i still learning what should be the original position, because i think also china, china, and russia and peas recently, you know, just think about the russian participation in the port tab before where allowing the west and especially in the united states to be the main immediate and very this all of this boker, but to be the main broker, if they want to replace it with maybe other countries, like their busy lives, south africa is broke, as probably they would have to study again, the origins of the conflict, the essence of the conflict and hopefully they would understand that the 2 state

solution is not viable anymore. and if there is an international pressure, it should be towards a different kind of political solution. of course, given this discussion for trina's, it would help pull any member of netanyahu's cabinet. and that'll and a left wing, so called left clicking is riley's, how desperate, good, uh, israel, and i mean that you all good of course. go to jail any way off to this car in the beginning. but uh, how desperate could the is really leads get? what is the nuclear weapon threats in israel? i think, but so far i, i really cannot predict. uh, i, i can only that. tell you what i think happened so far at these really uh elite is made of 2 main uh, components $11.00 is the political one and the other one is the security

organization which includes the army and most of the secret service and so on. to do today uh, the additions where contains a limited in there extra is against your um, body of the people who are paying for all the security a pillar, so to speak. however, there is a demographic changing those institutions and quite a lot of people who come from the 2nd lens are now beginning to climb up in the extra loans also have the security services. so i don't know how long. ready is more goes more pragmatic, you know, even more rest and i'm willing to give it to them. ready or i shall approach that was the around all the use of nuclear weapons. how long will it be sustained if i'm, if my fear, which would become true, that the demographics, both that particular military and so use the lead would exchange at which time?

uh it, by the way, this, this uh, lead does not have the speed as you obviously can see it they, oh, they totally agree with the dishes, about the, the, the destruction of the palestinians and genocide, the policies and ethnic cleansing policies. but when it comes to regional war, i think they're bit more bushes, then they are right, we politicians. so we have to watch and see whether this balance of power is changing. in order to fully answer your a right to an important question. promising you on palm, i thank you. a thank you very much and that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team here, we're going underground to those bereaved by the ongoing violence here in the middle east. we'll be back in the brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch my last social media if it's not sensitive and your country and had to a channel going on the run tv on mobile, don't com, don't you handled episodes of going on dependencies have to

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