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but the, the at least 11 people are reportedly injured and the suspects isn't gas explosion. it's a hotel in fort worth, texas, and agencies decries as a sold around all august. the hospitals, which sparks and evacuation of one of the few medical facilities is still operating in central gaza, also the yours. those are both the streets of gym in a way large crowds of farmers, bulk roads to protest the government's funds, to slush agricultural subsidies. and for this on june, bill clinton on said richard robinson on the prominence if it gets named and the
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latest spots should be classified court documents on the jeffrey epstein. finance here on convicted sex offender that was found dead while awaiting trial blocking the 29th. those the headlines up to 3. i must go time this tuesday to head over to our website for more on any of those stories. i'll be back in about an hour, the hello and welcome to the cross stuff. we're all things are considered. i'm peter will about as we start the year 2024, it's fair to ask whether we are approaching another world war. indeed, one could make the case. the 3rd world war has already begun to flash points to all the as he prayed and gaza. there's no denying western gemini as being child and
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hatch a month, never willingly relinquish power. the discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guessing budapest we have george sent me a well, he is a pod cast or the guy goal which can be found on youtube and locals, and america, actually pross to mark j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator hard gentleman costs up rolls. perfect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate credit. let's start out with george and in budapest as we enter the new year. as i said in my introduction, george has a lot of flash points out there, but it's, it should we started thinking about connecting them and there are other ones to what's going on in north africa. of course the by the ministrations obsession with time one of the there seems to be a growing trend tier of more instability. and as i also highlighted in my
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introduction, hedge funds don't give up easily connect those jobs if they're connect to bold. george. well, i think they all connect to the you're absolutely right. the bill that had your moms do not give up a pile of easily if effect the he, they the fight like hell to retain the power. and we do see that in the case of, of the united states, and they obviously this, they, the ukraine conflict in which the united states will, under no circumstances, if they just readily admit that they have lost the war with russia. this goes against everything that the united states has been above the past 100 years. and that of course you have a problem in the middle east and the secretary of state them anthony blinking is once a game in the middle east. and as the media reported, oh, he's trying to time down, change shows. he's trying to avoid escalation, but it's a little bit low. the lane big is the yes or the escalation is already there. and
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you got the uh, the situation on the board of with lab on where it is. this goes to explode at any moment. and then of course, you have a situation in the red sea with the united states in the u. k. during blustering a great deal about how they going to launch a miss ios at the who t's um that it could go towards those serious uh, problems. um, because there is a issue of, uh, iran and the united states. it does not have to get into a, a war with around, but if it continues down this path and if it is unable to bring some kind of restraint, a doesn't look at he's able to bring some restraint to what to israel's actions. a, what were the wrong is a distinct possibility. so there's a lot of tension of
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a game and given the incompetence weakness of the bite and administration like it could easily explode into the sort the, something along those lines. so we'll go straight in market with all the more. so if we look at specifically in gaza. oh, you know, george did a good job of going through the menu of the complex and related to that. but it's a by the administration would just simply and forcefully call for a ceasefire. it would kind of take a lot of the, the, the energy and of, and fear out of what's going on in the middle east. but the bind ministration has no intention of doing that as much as we keep hearing the administrative side they're trying to de escalate. that's why boeing comes in the region. well, one can make the argument, and i certainly would that it's actually escalating it as long as there's no pressure on israel to change its behavior. we're going to go that up the, the escalation latter, as well as you know, as i said before,
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and it shows you what the biggest worry is, of course miscalculation. this is what really is keeping of wanting wake at night to bundle ministration does not very good track record. also that was where we always with the train and daily stilton in, in because as you mentioned, so that's very boring. but i single efforts by the button administration to, to some extent, try and push forward the escalation originally, while intensifying or supporting the israel salsa on 30 pages and goals, which is still going on. now, i was somewhat encouraged by just a few days ago, one of my jones wrote a piece in lebanon about how his blood and these riley is roughly pulled back from the border and reduced the numbers of soldiers. and there the, the, the intensity is but it's been submit to some point they haven't stopped. does it have reduced, or they have that she pulled away from the abyss for the moment. um,
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but you know, it's, it's when you look at ponds and you're looking at a nice in the seventy's much an age as model of a gemini anyway, you know, and not necessarily a law. the problem is they're all button is surrounded by just functional, outdated, and not going to stick useless institutions like united nations, you know, like the licensee and the, hey i'm, i'm the, i'm the you and the central that. so, you know, he's still living his dream of being in light tonight is the president. i think not the really the point that's really interesting part of the way you frame it. and i absolutely agree. you know, george, you know, we can, you know, he's always hard to look at, you know, when something need to know in 1945 something. and that everybody agrees with that . but when it comes to, when things start that, you know, we can say those type of world war started in 1939. well, the chinese would say, well, the japanese were built in bothering us before that,
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i mean with these certain discrete moments are very difficult when you're going into accounts like and actually when you think about it since 1945, a lot of complex really don't come to an end with notable exceptions, routing of the americans and, and southeast asia. but, you know, if we look at the architecture of the world, you know, last year and now russia is going to be a heading brakes this year. these are new vehicles here, and it seems to me that when we look at the case of the condemnation of israel around the world for what it's doing and gone so, and the us never really couldn't. nato named land never really could get the world on fire for ukraine. that's because, you know, the g 7 represents circle interest and it's not the interest, nominally speaking of the world anymore. this is what's going on. there's a dis disconnect with institutions that the west control and most people are taking a whole home or even say, we're not, we don't want to participate. you know, you're the red sea, that's your problem. we didn't create it,
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don't get us involved. do you see what i'm getting at churches? there's also an institutional break, a good thing. so, but this thing is just um, off the 1945 you had the, um, the era of the bipolar well, um which rather the united states, you know, basically had it's, um, uh, satellite states um, who did its bidding? um, there was a block led by the uh, the soviet union and the united states go respect to that block and basically said, well, we had a win win know going to mess with that, bob, because it's really dangerous. you never know is these people and the nice, the genuinely was afraid of the soviet union. the problem arose the thing with the really the unit polar moments in 1991. when this uh the, this alternative blog collapse and ever since then, which now more than 30 years ago, the united states has sought to dominate the world. because there's
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a now that the soviet union is gong, there isn't the bipolar world. and whether it's just simply a one poll, well, we don't in ages and no one can challenges. and of course, that is not happening. i mean, this was obviously totally delusional. you know, this was the full yamma pulse of its moments. it was a delusional moment. and now there are all these other things that you have listed that, that come to the service the united states really doesn't accept that, refuses to abide by any of the restrictions. that's where the very dangerous because uh, the united states as an excessive regard for itself. and therefore he's doing things now that he would now have done, you know, back in the bipolar well thinking what we can just do it, you know, with, with, with, with so strong. no one can a challenge us. and this is where it gets very dangerous. so this is a way to even kind of going towards where you're going to need to. and we looked at the 2 blocks during the cold war during the unit polar moment,
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as actually allowed allowed. i said with the air quotes the united states is to make decisions for its allies like blowing up the north stream pipeline. i mean, you know, of course, senior own allies to, to be and this by, for a creative world either you, you with us or against us. okay. i thought we, we, we realize that that's not a very same way to move forward because world is not multi polar right. now, martin champion on that because, you know, you know, we have these different blogs, but they're very different than they were during the cold war. yes, things have changed a little and i wonder i read them take george's point as it was very good one. but to take, take a point for a one to actually, wanda, was all the fact that there is now multiple well now. and there are literally scores of countries in the global self who are just tired of being insignificant in the united nations. i'm looking for a new to a political about a new, a new sense of being where they feel the input and their role is taken most
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seriously and sprigs, tense, and steve additional breaks, you know, going from what's included. i wonder whether this is actually having an impact on the west and actually provoking people like bite and to go further, you know, with these conflicts and he would have previously in um, in the, in the previous model, whether it just wasn't some, you know, others, those on the other players out the who, who can actually get organized and actually kind of have an impact. well, i mean, they get to that point martin, you know, the church isn't pointed out correctly. is that the head during the cold war, the us that it's, it's blocked. they were careful, they were careful not to get themselves into a jam where they could separate defeat. meaning great powers don't bite great powers. that's not a good idea because you can lose. but the buying administration has seemed to as a band and that murder. yeah, they have, and this is the real worry and you know, and the e u is more or less supporting everything that the, by the management ministration does. and so we don't have a, a safety catch,
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we don't have a hand break, we don't have a mechanism. some of you know, i'm older, perhaps more experienced people around the world who can actually meets and say something needs to be done. somebody needs to be done, so actually installed some commonsense into this. well, i mean they're turning the poles are going to kind of steal george's went here as a restraint was actually a good thing, but no restraint is a, it is a bad thing. they say it's really interesting how we have the ball. okay. from this unipolar moment, it's far more dangerous now than ever. it was during the cold war. keep going more . yeah. and you know, and i think that there was because of that there's a very real risk. i don't know how i can put this. there is a very real risk that this must spend it about pulling cliches of world. war 3 is a realistic one. you know, and the bottom administration and within his own pace is on paper,
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but you've been telling and stopped using this expression model 3, you know, and even republicans using a lot now for their own mechanism, their own ideas of run political leverage. but you know, it's, it's pretty scary. i mean, they, all the argument is we won't reach world war 3 scenario because the 2 major powers in the world. i know i should taken partials of each other. and i'm not reckoning one. i'm not so, but the huge question is, relationships, you know, how much of value does it run place on its relationships with, say, the empties all has blown 11 on and these, you know, and that, and that's the really the big, the big question and the same on the american side, you know, obviously when you have the access of resistance, there's a certain point in time where you put up or shut up. and this is one of those moments gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion whether we're approaching the 3rd world war, stay with r t. the
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when i went to the wrong, just don't you have to safe house to come to the advocate and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground the the most affordable cuz it all the business. and you clean the 3 of the daily shows and how many comes to you when you get the search not good for those ceiling and provide jewels to such an insurance even as matter of the different incident and for which i can
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get you thrown the wisdom of the product and you're still move with those 2 are issued through deals that are sent to you yesterday i was just at the top. so usually i'm blue. okay. and that'd be studies leaning towards the flourished list for me to on, on, on the toner, which originally it was just pushed. it just won't because of this new way to box or do full color or i don't know which these are do i know for the don't know is i can do given me other than that we're going to sort of these best opinion pronounced has come up with the welcome that's across that were all things are considered. i'm beautiful about to remind you were discussing with the 3rd world war is approaching the
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issue of george. one of the things that i've been thinking about actually a lot is particularly when we think in terms of what's going on in gaza. and then over the last 2 years, biden's more uh, proxy warning in ukraine. um and you know, it could be the sauce power element just just isn't working any way to, you know, they can't. the us can't charm of the world anymore. i. i believe that it did it one time during the cold war. i think it was 6 south out west like meaningful. okay . but the self our no, it just isn't there. and it gives it kind of echo what something martin said in the 1st part of the program. it's allowing people to say that i don't think so. okay. was something that would have been on speak about 3035 years ago. george? yes, i think so. um the problem is is that the bible people have
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made the case on very d. a logical grounds. i mean it's which again goes back to what we're talking about in the 1st off, which is why the world is so dangerous. it is that the vitamin ministration has made this so that it's a, a conflict between democracy and we'll talk, per se all far. it's aaron ism is on the monitor around the world, the united states needs to, uh, but i couldn't bring it to an end this module or the sunday no credit made sense and 19721974, right? but of this, but if you're actually right, but in 197274, the one the, the retirement of the voices in the west were coming from, let's say, you get the nixon administration, which is despite all differences we need to work together full of good of mankind full the go to the world, you know, we need peace and co operation. that was like we live, which is sort of, yeah, yeah, yeah. we have differences. we don't like the soviet system. we don't like communism,
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but we have to work with that. so that's very different from what the biden is doing by who's making this of the kind of an absolute this, you know, millenarian conflict that's really very dangerous. so he's doing things that i know i would have thought so uh, in the past, such as seizing uh russia's central bank reserves and handing it over to ukraine. now this is $300000000000.00 or whatever dollars it's set to be. who knows what is actually the number is, but that's red, the bushing of the envelope. and that, and this is, you know, this, but it wasn't just simply what a wild idea that was once reported. it's the, it's continually being reported in the media. but this is something the bible people of pushing long reluctance europeans and you know, have to bind people bush, then they will get the where your bins, resistance in any always evaporates. so when you have this
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a conflict that is described as such absolute, this terms and with vitamins also in domestic politics. i mean, he gets speech the other day against trauma, but his supporters is a game and i kind of really also have like a cooling for a civil war in the united states. and that's where it gets very dangerous, because then you know, you, you're going to keep going, keep going. until essentially that will be a conflict. i mean, it's, hopefully, obviously new brain is where it's very dangerous, but it going to happen. going to take place in the middle of the run. as far as the buying people concerned is above all this of the axis of evil. they don't use the term, the been on pressure to proceed as an access lever. that means if a risk, some kind of in and an explosion with iran on behalf of the who diesel, around behalf of his will, against israel, the united states will be drawn in on the dividing regime. okay? but that's just the point. and that's what makes this so much different than the cold war. martin is that i'm of the opinion. george just said it is that instead of,
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you know, we have blinking going with the 6th trip. i mean, if he has accomplished anything by this, by that, what do you do it? but anyway, that's beside the point, but it seems to me, any you have to think about this counter intuitively, is that these people and they abiding ministration and the people that'd be the simple followers in europe, which are not worth speaking about anymore. they want specifics. they want escalation, this is a time to solve all problems. this is very ideological. we take care of from us. we take care of it has blog, who these interact all at once. okay, is magical thinking and that's what it is. but there are people thinking that market no, i'm no, i'm not sure they do seem to like, i wonder whether they're kidding themselves. you know, i, can they really be the something right recently? what, what, who 91 us present in the since 1979 who is even dreamt on coming around. and i'm
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believing that they could put it off in the american president's traditionally well with, with mr. bolton in the white house. they were that far away. anyway, let's leave especially building out of it. the problem is, is that whether you believe in the soft power or not, you know this, this, most people don't even know what it means. but you know, in the middle east that defining my motiv about my 2015 waste, right in the side. and then the whole, sure, uh, the whole house of cards just collapsed. and every single person in this part will realized, actually it's just a paper tiger this, this whole idea that you can keep germany done and pop it up and you know, and, and, and make it appear to be much more powerful. that is what the problem is. we don't even have soft palate anymore. so i think we are we all very towards escalation because it's the only thing in town. so the, by the ministration to keep face, you know, there was no of a, you know, hopefully house there was no great to for money machine behind him. there's no soft
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power behind him and then reinforce, but that doesn't that reinforce what i said in my introduction in george, i think has already mentioned that headphones. they'll go away, pick up their marbles and go home they night. okay, exactly. i mean, we've got people that bite and who do not have the intellect, all the full sides of the experience to actually look forward and to and to, to reject the model to reinvent america's america's role in the west. you know, and, and this site, it's like watching the british empire collapse of the 2nd level. you know, all those african countries lining up for independence and our economy in a tailspin. no, on really having a vision, you know, also how to go forward and that. so as soon as came about, because the total identity crisis, unit, known as you know, as think the same thing is happening was, was boy, let's hope, let's pray we never got so, so it was scenario, but i think if we ever do get to, it's just because the, the self power idea that we have doesn't really exist. you know, if you look at american intervention, the last few years, no, libya, syria, iraq,
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of kind of start old as aust, as old situations that have blown up spectacularly in the face of america. and we're still paying for it today, you know, people that buy it and probably look at those and use and put them on the score sheet on one side, on the other side. they think, well, yeah, but you know, we did really what i need to solve it. that was a great victory for us. and we also one stopped laughing we want and that's gonna start in 8. you know, i'm in the service pulls out, you know, they believe this. yeah, but i mean, but the certainly biology i'm sorry you shouldn't said you have a slot because it got george in the book. i know i got the same of them saying, well, what's the size i i the mother they qualify it by saying that the that's what they think. and that's the question that i do right. but yeah, so and again we do ask that and they don't even know the real history. no, i don't know that, but they do see that as the, the, the power of the i'm of how are you
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a trigger conflict. then you pretend to be the uh, you know, the peacemaker, the one who's going to resolve the conflict. and then of course, you know, you do that. you basically just a big, big glass of late everything and keep it nicely bubbling along. i mean the as a to because even now, so the way to the united states or nato is continually threatening to get back in, you know, the batch. the recalcitrant serves the cost of, oh, well, the recalcitrant sub zone in boss and that's, it got enough. let's i can certainly look like do you think that's because it would be an easy victory. they do this even though it is an easy victory. and i think that it, what drives so many of these interventions see, is that, um they, the, the united states, things that they can get an easy fix for. and then they can simply ship with costs onto, uh, somebody else. and that's really what the formula has been in ukraine,
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which is that, well, we can just simply raise the costs to them. you know, that's what we did enough. got his them in the 19 age. is that what is relatively cost free for us? it's quite costly for them and i think that's, that's what drives these interventions. the problem i think is that ukraine is different from i've got his son and i think is that they, americans have been from the stop playing a very dangerous game. and i, i don't, i don't see it move any, any sign that they, they want to stop with this, particularly as um this list is what by them is about by vitamin is just simply is illogical creature. you know, he, you know, he's the, is, is driven by this and this is many can view of the world brand. when you really buy that, then you just don't stall and i don't, i just don't see any of the kind of restraint. do you mind if i did with with chrome, trump, what i think the more straight i don't see this with by them. well martin you live in the area. that is, is our entire life of the ball. a child literally steer um,
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what are your tea leaves fit for 2024 and then in the middle east, because there's so many moving pieces like that. you've already mentioned a number of them. but if, if there is the perception that the united states is a paper tiger, which i think we should be careful about, that there were aircraft carriers and bonds and ask the people of gas it, it's not paid for tiger. but, but the perception of the united states as a decision maker, what is i think, how do you see 2024 plan? you know, i believe the, i don't, i don't have anything posted to say about it, and i, there is a waiting game going on with many, many arrow believes, you know, but the whole issue, garza has driven a wedge. right? so i made the region much, much more in security now because you've got those on one side to passionately stip, more and down in support of, of, of other settings. you've got those who were banging the drum for a long time, and pretends to be so bold as persons and now for the virus. and every know which
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way to turn like the sound is when you go to the others who are in the way into deep. and they're going to stick right to the very end and support israel like morocco, an amorous. so um, you know, it arrow believe me, things are going to be very interesting. you know, they, they will, they will um, send all of us before with some sort of sort of girls on the internet of miss nights, guys holding a sleep. you know, sometimes even with custody on the front of the room, waste goes up no disrespect to waste because they're of the refund institution. but um, you know, the last minute question of how the, the middle east is going to shape up is going to be more fractured, more and stable, unstable, and more vulnerable to super powers. i'm talking to those out there in the world. so the, that's my last question before that time is that, is that an increase the leverage of the united states or decrease it as well? i, i don't, i don't see any increase leverage from america. you know, it's not,
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not under the button administration the next. now if you're in the waiting game i referred to as well. so i'll come back because many decent st. louis, those are just waiting for that. they see trump not as a silver bullet, but they see the they see him as a guy that can work with and they can't work. we buy them and you know, not some reason, nothing that's we were talking earlier about how good we got a long time gentlemen, before we can get to january of next year. one year lock can happen as all the time we have what i think my guess, and in budapest and america. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. and remember across buckles. the
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