my guess lawrence will listen to in falls church. he is a former chief of staff to the chairman of the us going chief of staff and in monterey we crossed to freddy on. tell him he is an independent journalist and a contributor at 21st century wire dot com. all right gentlemen, cross lock rolls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate where if i can go to you 1st here as we go into the new year and the 3rd year of this conflict here, i think it's fair to say, and i'm a pretty skeptical person. i've watched a lot of your commentary. you're very skeptical as well, but it was a glimmer. a sliver of realism is beginning to come into the conversation. unfortunately, and until the centers around finance and funding this war in proxy war in ukraine. but at the same time, there's still a lot of magical thinking. what are your thoughts as the new year starts? i think the funding issue is more a congressional problem than it is a statement of on whether or not us still support ukraine. although i do detect the

tendency of, of a fall off there. and i would say that there are as many republicans as democrats, who frankly did test russia for what reasons i'm unable to file them. but they do. and so i wouldn't discount the possibility possibility the money eventually coming towards that said, you're right about the fall off. i think vitamins administration realizes that this is a losing proposition, but his focus now is entirely on winning the presidency again in 2024. and he is going to be judge us as calculus now strategic and otherwise he's going to be judging every action on that. i think what they've decided at least to the really is the last key has last, but ukraine is one. and how do you present that and how do you take that to negotiations? well, i think you're right. yeah. i'm actually been more fascinated with the how they spun this conflict. uh the rhetoric behind it. ready. it's very interesting is that

we had the last major shift was from as long as it takes us as long as we can, and that tells you a whole lot and, and essentially you're, there's a sense here that divides administration is saying, well, we did what we could do now this is a hot potato and they're throwing it to congress as well. i absolutely say i thing decide. this is a situation that's really big, informal, formal questionnaire as we speak. and are we seeing this a decent scenario on folding, which doesn't make any sense? and as my colleague decides, you know, it doesn't make a lot of science at this moment because the amounts of money that has been thrown, not only 2 words, israel, but also towards the ukraine, is starting to history, breaking the bank. and it's breaking the bank, which means that the minister lensky is now and has by now realize that he's no longer in the front of the q i. these basically has to wait in line. and i

think for me, what's we, the most striking is the, or, of course, the new speaker house mike johnson on dine loyalty to israel. it's become pretty clear to me to jefferson is no longer a priority for the house republicans. and so we have to draw lessons as well as from the previous because my call to you as well, which was a big supporter of you trying more efforts, which is probably part of the reason why it was like he always did in the 1st place . but for those that have play detention, peter, we can see that in 2024, many walks you know and doesn't matter. and which bench that they all suit things they wouldn't be getting more money, which is the water ironic since the, the, the leadership change was about reducing the office. he was spending in the 1st name span. so there's a lot of things that really don't make any sense at the moment of what we're saying . and so i think it's, it's really going to affect the bottom line and the outcome of this kind of slow. i'm not really sure. let me, let me go back to you. i mean, video, the only thing that congress actually really does when you think about it is spend

money or maybe waste money. but i think it's, you know, what are we getting for this money here? because russia, it should have been bankrupt by now. crimea should be packed in ukrainian hands. i mean, i could go on and on. i mean, it's fine. does, you know, so we have a bill of goods. so what do we actually getting for? i mean, we'll spend the money, but you know, where's the victory parade? and i think that's one of the problems that there, it's a problem of selling it also. larry, absolutely true. so i will say that the american people have not been present in this debate really not significantly. and there are reasons for that. but i sense that there are increasingly worried about what's happening, particularly in gaza. and just to show how gaza impacted ukraine. just look at the 155 or 2 worry rounds. we were sending hundreds of them thousands of them to ukraine from our reserve stocks in israel. that got stopped really quickly. so this

new conflict and gaza is not only peeling people away from bod. it's impacting the entire country in terms of and i've, i didn't think in my lifetime, i would say this. yeah. in terms of the american people support for israel. it is falling off dramatically. even amongst jewish americans, particularly among a lot of to which americans, i can't tell you both how many of the regular guests on this program who happened to be a jewish from american and europe clamoring. you know, feeling up my inbox, they want to talk about this because they're so infuriating and of course is something i talked about every week, but to stay with your brain here. freddy, i mean it's one of the things it's, it's very interesting is that we all know since where he's brought up gaza. we know that all around the world in particularly in the western world, you see these protests against the war in gaza. we're all the protests for ukraine

. i miss them. i, i see i seem to think because this was an elite project from the very, very beginning. most people didn't know where ukraine was, they probably still don't. ok, but this was an elite agenda, but it's really not going anywhere. i mean, the least gonna stick with it. i'm, i'm, i'm sure of that, but never caught on the public imagination as well. it's it's, it's a very good point to peter because obviously, i mean it's friends and son for year. mainly you, you're saying the, the lack of insurance for the ser, ukrainian, russian conflict to us diminished friedman dislike. i think everybody's going back to the priority domestically. we, we consider us doing that as well. you know, where the political agenda and keep going towards the preparation of the prize. you the presidential election in 2024. i think people are re focusing on what's important we focusing on obviously the border for it for the united states in

europe, the roads trying to basically tackle the very, very southern installation which has crippled the businesses all across the european members space. and then of course we have this problem of immigration, which is a full problem that is wrong. the address po communications under a terry bull agenda that is on folding under your pin member's page to the last past 2 years. i saw the crisis of you print a p. is that something that is just on the side, the road, if you will, because we just have too much problem about and, and it's getting very, very difficult for a government to solve the id of, you know, sending more money to ukraine. and i think it is all governments, whether it's us, whether it's the european members that were more reasonable for the us, that would probably take 20 percent of that money to send to you, cried and trying to finish the trunk sold, for example, at the border and then for europe it will be the same. we have still a lot of people, the slipping, the car people directory need for help and supports with the winter commons. and

these other people we need to support. how can we help orders? when can we can't even help ourselves. and that's, i think, the reason why we're right now losing interest and supporting you. right? you know, very it's, it's also interesting, larry, is that the, the, the, the thrust of this policy and ukraine was always the punish russia. and if they're not getting that, and in return is maverick russian economy is back on track. it's a, in a growing account territory. the, the rubel is fine. trade is fine. i mean, none of the things that they had predicted. so, i mean, what's the, you know, bang for the buck. i mean, how much more do you want to spend on getting 0 results while the money for the but for lockheed martin and right the on and i hope so. the volume of parts such as far as see of course, if there was quite lucrative. you had shareholder mediators. meetings were c, e o, 's are starting to the shareholders of businesses. good businesses really far. and

that's the answer right? the, the lead. so america, the millionaires made some money off. there's more, but you're also right that, uh, and my colleague there is right in saying that people are tired of the wasted. we're looking at millions of dollars having been wasted. and in this country, we're looking at a 30. ready or $3536.00 trillion dollar aggregate debt and next year, a trillion dollar interest payments on that that and federal discretionary spending probably nothing but entitlements in the defense budget. there will be no money left over. so this is just, this is getting to be a real problem for this and par, trying to keep its finances and order because it's been so flagrantly irresponsible with the wars over the last 20 plus years. wars. incidentally that none of what, none of which it has one effect. yeah. it's, it's, it's a disaster for the well there's, there's a there, there's no downside. and failing is there, larry, there's no down side. no,

no downside whatsoever. we, we take general c failed 8910 times in a row, and i scott is time, for example, i make them to use of service or send them to lockheed for 7 larry larry o, you probably know this number. i mean, how many generals were there in the 2nd world war, as opposed to a number of generals today? it's about 8 to one difference more so the ways be, be, please be very specific for my viewers, 8 to one in what direction? well, we're talking about more generals for troops. uh now the in world war 2, when we had 12000000 man under arms and much more worse. and then that is in the last 5 years of the 4 star general was retiring 80 percent of them went to work in the defense complex. well i guess that's why you get, well, it's kind of very much like a can to a politicians today, particularly in europe. you become prime minister this to go work for tony blair or

later or bill gates. okay. it seems that public service is not the highest calling for these people at what's actually a big deal. actually, i was just fine before elizabeth ones committee in the senate recently and the writing majority member from florida. rick scott essentially said, why shouldn't these guys go out and get to make some money back when he would, but it was pointed out she was holding a hearing based on the ethics in the defense department. and this is the right, came minority member republican read scott from florida saying also what they should be able to get a letter. and before we go to the break here, that's why they loved nikki haley. she understands how the game works and she's very good at it. right gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine states with our team, the

team that would inform you to with them for the gifts for through the state of celia. was this because it did just wouldn't care to get a car through the new year. oh for g, for teach. so i know for me teaching the scholars that should to store and you've cheated us from the style approach you with that the, for, she's more, it's a washing machine and when you're moving to move them, oh no. i'm really starting from pushing lots and lots of putting them on big louder to move many with the continuum will just take it i as well as to the lowest quality i'm or they were did. some of them will study to the progress in. right. and you see the shortest finish. this is just so just for good news, i'm a fraction of when you come swing to do friday, use the material, ordering the power of people for over the for sure. interested in the 10, most of the induction just on the,

to suckle out of the roof. right. so let me try to so no we, we but it's a shot record is missing 9. it's bad. you know, to theater when you, if you have to put a really special aggressive swap of beach and control room to put a glass, nothing. so i knew it's showing up as a study. it's due for the sample. it's going to look a little. she's vitale, somebody calling us from us, which is kind of nice with that. i'm pretty sure. so that would ensure it's good for us to see on the do you feel like i've got the new speed if i live in some way possible, but i think on the vehicle, no refresher because items across the job to shop. um

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the welcome back across the dock were all things are considered. i'm futile about true mind you were discussing. you create the ok. i also part of our conversation we in belgrade, we have the even gaiety is a research associate a bull grades institute of european studies. welcome to the program here. um, better late than never. um, well, i've been talking with larry and freddy about how the the ukraine project is progressing in this new year. one of the things that's very interesting also when we look at it is a and i'm full of focus very much and how it's pitched to the public where i wouldn't be surprised to see are they gonna say, well, you claim is already one. okay. you know, and, and so, you know, the russians have been defeated. they didn't take 80 pur, uh,

they left 80 percent of ukraine unoccupied. so they, they're a winner. okay. i can see the edits already. you. if you look at some of the think tanks are already trying to sell this to the public, go ahead. i think they are, and in a way they might be rights because for from the standpoint on washington, this was a pre meditated war crime. because what they see is parts of ex, soviet union and finding your charter. so the big secret is that actually most of ukrainian or russian, and in a sense this is a russian against russian civil war. so that is why a washington is just fueling the fire by giving the old and some of the new weapons so that their old enemy can uh, can tire itself in, in this war. however, i think that this won't work because russia is not going to buy debate and it

won't accept the so called korea scenario. the other thing is the 2nd best option apart from rational following a bar. then you know, the international corporation staking got all the loads is uh for this frozen conflicts to last for the next couple of decades. so that you have this anti rush. so basically, sitting next to russia and, and, and preparing for the kids to, well, you know, that i, we've heard this is like a comic strip, isn't it? okay? because they all of these things that we hear. i'm going to go to larry right now. all these little theories that we come out, the rush is absent from the decision making process. they're, they're the object they're, they're always focused. we, they, they don't have any say it will, larry another, one of the trends we've seen is the, you cleaning ization of the process to build their own arms right now. you know, this is an echo of how the us tried to get out of, uh, uh, indo china, you know, leave it to the locals here though it didn't work out. obviously,

it won't work out this time. but this is another, um, uh, the square foot discursive chains. they're trying to push larry, i don't. uh, i don't question that right or ash. now the reason i, i do question through this decision to invade, when they did though, because i think it was quite clear hardly because of rushes, establishing some sort of obedience, if you will, within germany with regard to energy. i think it was quite clear night. those days were numbered and what student did by invading understand why they do not understand as motivation. i don't necessarily accept the fact that he had doing bade, but understand it. may tell was going. it wouldn't have the last, there's another decade in my view. t solidified it pretty significantly by the invasion. i think it's still going, but it will take longer now and it will fall apart around the edges before it falls out of the center. and germany will be that center that takes of the bar. so i

don't, i don't, by the idea that the conflict can continue without some real real, real repercussions. it needs to stop, not least of which uh, not least reason of which is the same reason, gods. and they just stop all the killing. all the, all the just, yeah, well, have an all in all the distraction from other problems we have not least of which is no nuclear weapons treaty regime whatsoever anymore. and, and a lot of a smaller it states, again, thinking about getting nuclear weapons. there's a lot of good development. you know a, freddy? i just didn't. i didn't larry's ration i was very interested in your i, i, i've thought about it too about the trajectory of, of nato. and this conflict is actually, you've given it a shot in the arm, i understand that, but losing against russia is also going to be very, very painful. and it's gonna be hard to reconcile. continuing it, go ahead. but it's going to be that sort so terribly difficult for them for the

size anyway, it is, know we know in, in, in that size. but i think for me, the other point in the room when we talk about changing the narrative is uh what do use use to cite them? well, there are countries saying, i mean, we studied, we have as long as it takes and we end up this conflict with literally as long as they can. so clearly it is a problem. yeah. so establishing and narrative of victory based on numbers numbers which we have, but we have a point of 400000. you trading that in this conflict. i mean, we're not talking about small numbers and is all speakers i in my view, is that impossible to, to sell it. they are very difficult to sell as a big 3. and the us, i think in the european tax payers are very sensitive to the, to but, and of course if you have to have the most of the territories under the bipolar through, you probably didn't come to offenses or you've left with 2 studies is a victory with the promise of what tomorrow might be made off. nothing is really is

concrete, and it's pause. that's french people, for example, each reminders and little bit of napoleon was, you know, it was threatening to bring victory, but losing all of these. all right, so you're gonna sell that in europe. i'm not too sure about the united states, so it's proceed within the public realm, but are in front of people are not buying it. so building a narrative on that is going to be extremely, extremely difficult. and uh, i think also we can proceed and also the public is proceeding that's dividing the administration is on tremendous pressure off to do by coal of deep. i've got histone retreats, and that's where he's bringing an important role to diet because on the p or seen. and it's with the message that he's going to be construct around. basically does the feed us to be some form of victory, doesn't have to make sense. it just has to be constructed. that's why. oh yeah, i mean is either the, the, the russians didn't make it to paris. they be. so, you know, ukraine, one, i mean the, it'll be something it was really like that okay. statement. but, you know,

ukraine is also under the norm as amount of strain. i mean, obviously it's young men don't want to fight, obviously because of the meat grinder. but we have a collapse of the economy as well. i mean, and even civil society in order are at stake here in the, in very few people actually talk about that. go ahead stephen. exactly. i mean, uh, the estimate is around $30000.00 people uh, illegally leave the country for goods every month. and god knows how many a man are trying to make it right. save, and you do brought up a really good point. they're leaving for good. they're not in the people that have left, they're probably not going to come back. keep going. that's exactly exactly. and on are the thing, is that now you, great, and ministry of defense is buying 50000 women's infantry gear, which sends a lot. and it seems to me that they really don't respect life and are ready to do to spend every person uh, the accounting and say, man anymore,

because now they're, they're a mobilizing everybody including people with disabilities which, which we see uh in the past. uh, 2 fights and 2 prong this uh for uh for a day or 2. however, i think that at some point there will be a complete collapse, a complete to size will collapse, and eventually population. i think that's the only the only way all to all of this conflict because otherwise it just won't end. well, you know, larry, i got to even just brought up the 50000 um, uh, uniforms for women. and that tells you one thing, but it tells me something, no, i wonder how much each uniform cost. okay. well, you know, they $5000.00 per, i mean this, this whole gripped it is, is infuriating because that's how i have a centrally look at it. for people in the west, powerful people. it's a griffin, they're just drawing us aside in the process. look, larry, go ahead and uh,

falls church. no, it's, but that's a huge component of it, but we're, we're dealing in the weeds now. they're important weeds perhaps, and there's a lot of blood in those wage. but we're looking at a situation in this country right now. where if we stay on the current course with regard to our situation and gauze and all of off in general, we probably are going to be inviting and regional war. and the red sea is a, is a, just a tiny little part of that right now. but, and i participated in a more game series about 5 years ago, and it all places you us institute of peace, where we brought in everyone to you, britain, in germany, all, all the people in the world who were interested in the red sea. and there was a lot of shock in that room, even mercy gore was there because they were in with the season or, or in with the you have any in uh, but who is the conflict? so that is the new cocktail to strategic competition. now,

and we're seeing the persian golf minutes, you look at the commerce that flows through there, it's a so there are there's, there are a lot of things percolating right now, particularly for the empire, the american name. well, how are you, larry? i don't know if you don't know if you notice it with john kirby and his many media appearances. i find it really quite curious when he was talking about getting that play. why don't you get a lot of media and he really is ready. all right, you know, but i never let the video because i think you'll agree with me. he said, but this, that we really, really have an interest here. we actually have a root hobby who gave it away and said that ukraine, no, we don't. okay. we have no interest in watching the agenda side. but in trade, what we really do care about that. i thought it was such a give away larry. we have 60 percent of the world commerce flows through there and, and diverting it the way they're having to do to a certain extent right now can get very, very expensive and raise prices all across the world. we did a simulation exercise with petroleum in beijing in 2009 and the chinese or other

and a shocked when we showed him what would happen if we disturb things like insurance . uh, ship builders and ships owners wanting to apply the season. so this is a very disruptive situation, and kirby's right, at least that this is serious stuff. or is there other things or series in terms of the blood that's following, but not necessarily serious in terms of the realtor courtesy. interesting. i size and draw near showers, right? to any says we're focusing on ukrainians and to certainly so gaza when the real threat, if there is a genuine threat and memorial state, threat to the united states as are in china. and what is the ukraine war done? but my moscow and china almost in the tacit alliance. so we have made a lot of errors in the past 20 years. all right. say that again. the last, where do or we get is over 40 seconds, or what do we get to see? how is you can get in this calendar year pretty well, i think is that for me it's very clear that so you've trained the decision to i'm

just conflict will that will come from the united states. but for me, you're trying to print as never decided anything and just conflict, a nature what and do us what, what come up with a story to tell. but what's very important, peter, is there is a clock attached to that more time he's spending less territories and less weight they're going to have. we've been just negotiations and i think that's really the take away is to understand that the time is up to us since because russia is in no rush. right. so that is a very key point. the point, and i'm that and that's exactly where we're going to end this program here. i want to thank my guess in falls church bells right handed mercy. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time, remember cross talk with the, [000:00:00;00]

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