i'm looking at it. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. a very hectic schedule for members of the national executive committee of the african national congress. 112 years on looking at the foreign policies of the african national congress. how have they you go to look at the international twins. do you think they've evolved? thank you very much for inviting us and also let me convey condolences to members and supporters of being so who died or that we yes. and it was a said that a experience being informed what was the communicating in the visit to the families from monday? $112.00? yes. what is it? a 20 volts task as the in see it from positive resistance.

to that i go to integration. i left a solid delta t i solution of about states of america to negotiations and the being part of multi let the positions in platforms. and here we are today. um, we celebrate to be a 112 years having it become part of the community. is that important then selected communities of nations that does not just looking at the political relations, but also added as a common interest when it comes to inclusive golf. a good d we, we, we, we've also come a long way having been part of the normalized movement that we remain committed to that position of being on my life. at the we remain the outspoken where we believe

that the a view has to be to be conveyed and understood. does this we have so now of played a lot of roles and the continuing to play enrolled with regards to the rest. yeah. you creating that situation with our president and the, the 8th education that the engaged with the both of us we are in, in euclid and, and here today, um, it does to years ago, women and children of palestine still with us against the above did. so that's the car and was to do it also in an occupied the environment and also being explicit by the israeli government. when i hit today, it does then select the government that does take them to submit that to the which therefore means that indeed, oh, for the impulses have advanced your does to

a vision of a better world to how do we build this the color? and lastly, you, you, you know, we are part of those. what was the promoting? it didn't that great, that includes they did the plate in africa through the i forgot to they did it clement, i'm, we, we, we, we, we, we had it and it is a nation. and most importantly, the amc that also knows that some of them are new in the international fund to make take positions. that's me and talk with nice us against of us. but we, we are where we are because of us also did that. so this is, this is where we are and it's something between that, that on this, let's have a, the 15th of genuinely with intonation i live is a reflection on the situations in does that and the was been and see holes that this and one of those but some guests that we had who called vague nobody on these

occasions, we have the n c in their lives. but this time with a special message that comes from the friends of palestine in technician that'd be . and the painting that was done by a child in the, the occupied delta's of palestine. that shows the unity of, um, the oh, but it's been unity of the got it published that's leaving my do us commitment and cause and as putting it into action. so our international relations bonuses now get up to what's the size of x and that some of them is costly, but it does to because it, because it was costing for other nations when they do with us. i'm interested to find out coffee in lots sense because a lot of people have raised concerns about houses. and so that's because supports behind palestine going to affect its relations with countries like the united

states and the united kingdom given the fact that they have supported as well. that's a good to add up, say you that to the maybe those that to assume that they have some football us and, and that's exactly what our pool is that our games that can be your new laptop, our lives and, and, and also the end the, my new will fall international conventions and stitches and, and editors, precisely because of that, but we would enjoy this then do the people of us that know we will of cause we have a different relationship with those that are supporting it. it'd be, the other thing is, i think of list, and of course i was, is not about being and to the people. is that right? well, onto this as well and desire and is what i'm to get out of uh, somebody in eh, it states and what, what, what the general slide. so you mentioned brakes,

and you mentioned that the development in so far as the international relations and the policies are concerned. is there any c, continuously engaging on how it can strengthen its relations with countries like russia, of course. and as you know, historically our historical allies in, in, in the last year as the, the communist by 2 of us, you are the cause of what the united punch is that does not empower. and in the past, you had to have to go to the soviet, do not, and do the and the but the soviet to that we had to, to relate with those 4 years ago. but just and we, we not only looking at the political relationships, oh, we came through breaks, but also developed a lot of relationships around images due to about, up to 3 shall intelligence around. issues of the menu fed 7 and, and also in the defense is space. so yes, we're doing

a lot. but what we now emphasize from the side of leads people to people relations, making sure that it has lots of governments and budget must be nations that the presented by these governments who must now know each other little toilets in through exchange programs of young people. and most importantly, through the use of fund of communication platforms and exchanging of knowledge and. and then you add that as such that the presented in, in, in information that each one of us is able to purchase the south african amc lid. government has proposed a 7 point plan implementing the national assembly and how it views the developments in the middle east and so far as the resolution is concerned. and part of those include a 2 state solution, but we've seen the, the response from israel and given the kind of responses that they've given the

only recent sheet in the hey we've, we've heard statements that we'll also put before the court. and so far as the statement of some of the statesman from is while do you in your view, thinks that a going forward. you, as the african national congress would be able to collectively know whether or not that let me, let me rephrase this question. these solutions that south africa has put on the table, including the 2 state solution. if the out come in the hey, does not say that the order that you are seeking? what other solutions are you saying shouldn't be looked at in, in that concept? first, what of the outcome? especially with believe that we have a valid case. what what, what calling for an immediate immediate says via quoting for an immediate action

that must have so that then you might have given what's getting coming through and stuff. they've been to the court since otherwise i think it to be also the only responsibility to, to have make us understand what do they have driven them not to appreciate that this is actually a violation of the, of the general side to convention. there are other things that do they have to, to, to look at, one of the things that is a non negotiable for us. it's issues of negotiations coming to the table and then showed that to that up and stuff and allowing the affective parties to engage amongst themselves. secondly, we would love to, to get out of the things that we also have. so that's, i have also consumed that remember glove, only 1961. that's vincent from them go to is, is when the nation or when wouldn't,

wouldn't, wouldn't adrian validation movement and the oppressed so that they're not being listened to. and to the might of the state is being used against the house. close that one of the 2 of the extreme and means we also support didn't and looking at the issues that out and the a board cuts this investments and some of the options because in this yeah, the understanding with our own comrades and part of that they've been said that we would not go immediately into postcards and this investment was products and happens in the old but still because those of you buy them does have gone funding that has died down the bud. so what, what is it that do they want to do? is it security? is it defense? we of good look at those. this was almost hit them way. is that with no,

you do that really quick questions on us, but this is listed as a means it's not going to be, is it will that add one? it's about getting evolutions, cutting that relations and then sort of called our own that representatives. what consultation does, is it that happened with the south african embraces being told in the, in the, in the day to pose a, a nation who that, that's killed, silver in a predicts hospital condonation that can claim to, to have a relationship with those of us who believe that this is an act of genocide and the ends, it'd be new. that's what leads the close. so we can, we can no longer go back and do this only through the mode to up the road blocks that these things can be done. and so i'm calling for the form of the you and it's

that's including, you'd say a security to come slip. so that's then what we'll do. we'll do not dev. those will see themselves this pause and the mind me the use of the my little or those was seem to be the developed. so we all of those options have to be coincidence. but also we must be guided and advised that the people of color spent themselves. i'm just in the context of engagement, see the trajectory of israel engagement and response to this whole war. and them arguing in quotes that the context of the 70 plus years of occupation in palestine does not match that in that context, do you think they would even dare to engage? i mean, you mentioned the recent to by the president with the other hands of states to try and speak to the president of russia and of ukraine. but do you think that even at

that level to engage countries live south africa has gone as far as the wells international court stage to shame them for what they have done. do you think that would even be able to come to the table to the time when we taught the south african the government to never come to the table? and it took donation at nice solutions that they realize that they can not continue like this. even with the update is the right, the words will have to come to that realization. at no point to have some of us thought that was the united states. you don't it particular view. you will see people of jewish origin protesting in thing, not in my me that's, that's a motive still. um, when you, when, when you will have what sort of guy has that knowing very well that,

that anything may be an outcome. with that, you know what situation find that you have to come that to the, to the table. so this is what we believe in this the, and see that at some point to the left to come together. but it's kind of late in the developments on october 7 on developments that have of, of course, shaken the entire globe. but the amc has been very vocal dating back to a former president, nelson mandela about the issues that are affecting the palestinians as the agency that has really been vocal about palestine. do you perhaps think that the error of states, i'm not going, as far as south africa has gone? what we're going to do to engage and what about nations and in government zip, go to their own way of us seeing things just as it does happened with us that

will be by left about engagement. that will also be a region that didn't engage minutes and that wouldn't be also engagements in the by to lots of other platforms and whatnot. we wouldn't want to talk about why as us have updates to do that. but the week for now we won many in the world to appreciate why we've taken this, that you mentioned drastic steps against is style which some opposition parties had and saw that because of the demonstrations on the streets taken to the speeds. courtney boy, boy called all the products from israel in the country. now, are you giving us a word that indeed the amc is considering these drastic measure dependent on the outcomes of what is transpiring in the hey, whatever means that that was used by the international community to bring. so that's the kids together. the update to the gym to that with the liberation

movements. all those means must also be explored for the evaluation of the people fund. is that and then sort of feels, if you to, to be accused as the legal representatives will from us of the days. um we, we, we are not in as part of it. but we understand these kinds of x is what it happened to us. and then the formation of the good news is with the gloria, if a meal of the african this now congress and um we, we, we, we, we went to the united nations, which is close to the world. and the president template came out with that i would just leverage and kind of us and everybody does a photo as this is what it is. and what happened with dissertations to eggs was going to meet with the instantly the ship and they knew that simple vince and coming to what the escape and gauging before the court, their flight did. we may or may see the i'm you of is the right if and may i me.

but finally the left to come to the table find that do they have to talk? but what we must stop is the intention of eliminating the police do means was what is happening that is about the elimination of the nation. what do hold a situation way to get that killed in a pediatrician? what's? because what do called the killing of people in, in the mosque in a place of worship. men being taken out of the what was in boys. well, you'll, you'll actually literally go in full civilians. and in the annual situation, hospital splits as of safety for ever protected. but in this instance, what you could see that this is an eggs a games to monday. and it's an intention of me. they took a nation and hence why we went to the he because that's the depth to the stuff is

in this nation. guns kind of puts, you know, into, into extinction was the world is watching. as i let you go, you draw a lot of similarities between what you call that compet date, israel government, and the then tell the african opportunity government. now, do you see history repeating itself? in instances like seems to ship, for example, we speaking on our teeth, many people aren't able to access a such a platform because of these wisdom sanctions. and that hinders on freedom of expression. freedom of speech. would you then say history is playing itself out in the developments today? absolutely, and hence, i will wait in suspense that the most beautiful of all this month to the institution the, the issue sofa. is that right to information access to information in

depth and jane. so that's the way the couldn't, you know, that's and said, even the news and events that take place in this country we, we have lived under a situation we as a child involved in this plugin fulfilled, we have to defend ourselves. it's, you know, it lead of edge of the rubbish bin and the store and do see the total growth is what i was doing that in 20242023 it's. it's actually brings that he's protocol explicit and just saying not when i and this forms that these children can go through. what i've gone through the kids of the, the women getting killed, such as being bombed and off imported. those was to do

with the about a big so lovely spending with about this is right. so they remain consistent and 2 people and 2 peas and keep democracy, but protecting themselves as nations. that's a democratic. i know i said i'd let you go as been working with the minister of justice and this, along with you was hailed by a lot of any c members for the work that they've done at the global stage in the hague. what are the views overall of the any see, especially for you, given the fact that your role within the organization is to deal with international relations and the policies, the international policies in the face of the organization. what is your view as so far as how he is in the c member of the n c, has dealt with that situation. of course, the questions that we even coming as who as they came out of the quote from the

western media which has a different view. some people going as far as complaining that they did not broad costs. all that because sides. but they decided on the next day to broad costs, israel's defense, what do you make all of him and being able to stand for the agency and the government? the good thing about the applicant is now called says web. it's pointless is make you to be able to totally been consistent on what needs to be done on that level that has given the, the technician of release and support. this is a vacancy to a level that the world's was. some were watching all those who why you put clips when it comes to does this when it comes to democracy. but in the data to an extent where there was a blackout that did did that if it was that it was just now in the ninety's 99, just that madiba was taken of the lives of those are put in that this total is and

yet they wouldn't but do a plus on would you call give me a well, i called. that's what we i so that's a good we, we, we, we add the leads it to some, and when it suits them would become the allies. but what one to remain is to be on the side of you monday. thank you so much for your time. we really appreciate it and to the the focus on spunk, this case, valuable audit is still wishing me. so can you guys

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that doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was the culture strategy. so some of the, in your industry, i'm a, be i not leashed it. often zip on and tablet block, nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason us, hey jim, it is dangerous. is that the, the by the sovereignty of the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. of nature where this found the shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large arms companies would lose millions of millions or is business businesses good? and that is the reality of what we're facing, which especially the of the,

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