the, the, we are the russian hill, $76.00 plane crash sites field around me is this post with metal fragments, spots actually parts of the plane, human bodies and lot is present. so take, here are 2 years we get for us to access to the military transport plane crash side with moscow labels a terror attack by key at a play and was carrying 6 to 5. you trading and present as a war for us swap with russia at the moment of across is also for the video. a impact on the ground would have been was had the pilot watched a pilot of the plane had not diverted away from the town. the georgia right after the plane was shot down, kids claim he had another victory for value ukrainian armed forces. but as soon as

it became known that the plain was carrying ukrainian prisoners, ukrainian propaganda immediately tried to cover up it's joy pull reports about the victory that process. foreign minister certainly alive it off, points out new trains, inconsistent narrative. all the incident has, he holds a press conference either you or the club. this is our international reaching. you live for my new center in the russian capital. i am michael quite yet with the updates. now russian ministry transport aircraft is crossed with 74 people on board. most of them you trade in p. o. w, use the russian defense ministry has labeled the crash. that's a terror attack carried out by ukrainian forces, unless the 65 present as of war has now been published. now the play and carrying a to your trade in the present as was diverted with moscow putting their pest the

swap on pause. the russian ministry of defense has released the statement on the crash. so i just looked at 11 15 am. the key of regime committed a terrorist attack. as a result of which a russian military transport aircraft was shot down as it was flying along that you call up ski belgrade airfield route to transport ukrainian service meant for exchange. the aircraft was shut down by the ukranian armed forces from the lipsy settlement in the heart coverage and using the anti aircraft missiles system. the radar of the russian air force observed the launch of 2 ukrainian missiles on board . the airplane were 6 crew members. $65.00 ukrainian service been for exchange, and 3 russian service meant accompanying them. the crew and all passengers of the airplane were killed. we've got as close to the crash site as possible because you can imagine there is a significant security operation ongoing here as the investigation into the crust that continues. what we do know is that it's been confirmed that it was the

ukrainian military shut down this illusion. i a $76.00 aircraft, a huge aircraft it for engine heavy lift, the aircraft, the jet aircraft, which follows the backbone of the russian aerospace forces operations and humanitarian a transported suits and heavy equipment. it was shut down, it was hit by invisible and a crushed about a kilometer away from us. and a huge explosion occurred when it crashed, all of the people on board were killed instantly. we believe that there is a very gruesome and grim seen and not so far from here. locals have told us that at the the window shook the ground. sure, because this shiny deck of struck the ground, the terrible tragedy here is that the not only have the clue and the score for these prisoners of war died. it seems that $65.00 of these ukrainian prisoners of war who are no doubt looking forward to be re knighted with their families,

have died in a tragic twist of fate at the end of their own armed forces, the prior to the conservation that these member on board with all sorts of allegations and insinuations coming from ukraine from ukrainian channels as well. but now the reality has dawned on has been confirmed by the russian ministry defense that 65 ukrainian prisoners of war who were on their way to a prisoner exchange with ukraine. i believe there was another aircraft of, of 2, which turned back the exchange. now obviously not going to go ahead and there again, this is an attack on a russian aircraft on russian territory. belgrade of course, i think so for terrible the tax a new year. those of innocent civilians killed by the natal weapons followed by the training and military. now one of the 1st on the scene was a producer from r t. explicit footage here i. so we receive this report directly from the crisis team. we are the russian hill, $76.00 plane crash sites,

field around me is this post with metal fragments, but actually parts of the plane, human bodies and load parts of the human bodies. and a lot, i think every who actually, every emergency service is here, ministry of defense, local government, that has the investigation coming to we will get the more now this is a footage from the moment the down play and exploded, following the terror attack of a number of casualties would have been hired. the pilots hadn't stared away from the village. below. here is what the local resident had to say. the pilots directed the plane away. they are heroes. there was a school nearby. children were studying. the plane crashed into a field. the village was not affected, everything is cordoned off there. there was no way to get there. but according to authorities in the area and nobody on the ground was aged,

locals described the moment, the plane came down, the very smallest agency. i was very scared. i would like to think the pilots would sites and if i understand that he has a family, god rest his soul condolences to his family. but i would like to thank you for saving us when you say themselves died. let's save the village. you wish to dismiss? we heard a strong rumble, went outside as will smoke on fire and we have the 2nd explosion. it turned out to be much louder. we'll run out and let thinking people would need or how the plane crashed far beyond the village. it was very loud and scary to move. we saw a red object through the window and opened an object free by the end of an explosion of red flash. and that was it. we didn't see anything exactly in the explosion that we heard was an expression about 3 kilometers from the village portion for the cost of the k with just some sorts of explosion that so we didn't know what it was. we were in those charges that we saw last. i heard the roar of

the plane engine. i opened the window to listen. it wasn't that loud. i looked up and saw an explosion. black smoke confide, then a 2nd explosion with white smoke. i went outside the street was covered in a blanket of smoke, which i didn't know. it was a plane. i didn't see it of a cranium maiden directory. them intelligence has stated that they did not have any information about landing and transport aircraft, so close to the was own that a cues the, the russian side of the bridge actions to destabilize the situation in ukraine. and we're getting international support. now my colleague where we associate, discuss the latest with audi, corresponding to charlotte dimansky, they admit that they was due to be an exchange of prison is full. so the queen is concerned that part of the story, but they say they have had no reliable information as to who may have been on that call go play and that was for them. they also say, rush, it didn't inform the how the prisoners was,

were going to be transported to the region rush, just as it did. it says it's a standard procedure to transport prisoners who on military cost on immune statement. they say as a result of ukraine, not knowing how they're being transported. and this is really key. they say they don't need to know that the space around fellow crowd needed to be kept safe. it's not his mission that it was ukrainian missile, but it is a full but if we don't need to keep the safe space in the why would we in addition to that, we have had evidence that jeff was aware that they was due to be present as well, on wednesday, january 24th, which is today, this came from the intelligent spokes person who was given your name to be to free re do, you are confirming that it was the way the prisoner exchange between russia and ukraine was suppose to take place today on the 24th of january,

the representative of the ukrainian main intelligence directorate, andre yourself told radio liberty. i can state that the exchange plan for today is not taking place. he said the important that it was due to take place. it's now not taking place. you have to $1.00 to $1.00 at the same time. we've had comments coming up now, former ukrainian parliamentarian, who is absolutely furious with the situation because we're still haven't heard from president so lensky because we still haven't heard from the ministry of defense. let's have a listen to this one. you created an m p who up until now who's been fairly supportive of present savanski had to say it's a totally up. everyone is sitting around keeping quiet, but we're the defense minister is nowhere in sight. the presidential office is out of contact. everyone has the heads up direct keeping quiet and just watching and waiting for someone to blame this on. of course,

when you're sitting in warm flaps in kiev and revolve, it's really comfortable to think about what his grades and historic, really a very strong statement. a curious thing them up essentially hashing up the situation. what about the allegations that's actually coming out of moscow? the west in ms. i'll swear you to attack this a russian illusion. transport cross. do you have any more details about that? yeah, so obviously we've had the russian m o d statement which has described this as being a terrorist act. and we've heard from move makers in russia who's made claims that there was more than one me, sorry, that was a 2, its displaying that there was also a secondary plan that was also carrying peer deputies that managed to divert out of the area. um we don't sure where those have gone now and also besides you station that it's not just any weapons that we use to in this attack. this miss all attacked. it was actually weapons that came from the west. that spring you will post, as will make us have to say in regards to that, just similar to due to

a lot of this is an act of terrorism. it is a plant and prepared action that cannot be viewed in any other way. this is the murder of their own soldiers for being transported to be handed over. the premium leaders are terrace, fascist. they are people without shame, without conscience. and without any morals, they simply do not have them. and i can't them yet. i made it cons. gimme a mean american in germany, me sell shot their soldiers in the year their own. their mothers are wasting their way through wasting their children for waking the pilots of our military transport aircraft who were carrying out a humanitarian mission and were defenceless. people were shot with watkins less preparing the fuel to the us congress and the german boot into stock so that the deputies can finally realize where their funding and how big it's and not to resume fed by biting crohn's shots and other politicians. they must realize, responsibility ending peace must impeach them. when you put that there will, a few crating does come out and admit that it did carry out a muscle strike and it did the full kill some of it. so 65,

please. in front of the fine, of course, this will be a massive problem for care for present. so then scales. so something that he won't have to just justify to creating people, but also possibly west and back is what about what about anything in the ukrainian media audit? touching the story. and if they are touching the story of this after off coming down, how are they touching? well, they have been covering it, but interesting a, we've had a change of headlines and quite dramatic and not long off the we were aware that this crash had taken place. or you couldn't see a pro off or with profit, which is one of the main papers, suggested that they had sources within new created anatomy, claiming it was then miss all. and they carried this attack at that quickly was deleted, and it reverted to a very blond head line. and we don't know the reasons for that. however, there are some suggestions of what could have changed that situation. one is a statement from the queen and only, but someone wanting citizens not to draw

a prep, mature conclusions to own the trust official source is also we had a statement from the coordination h q of the treatment of prisoners, which is a government departments in ukraine. saying that the shouldn't the mass media warning them and citizens again, not to be posting things that aren't coming from official sources. but this is problem, i think because in ukraine there are no real official sources at the moment. at least giving a key of perspective on this situation. but we also have the top diplomat has spoken with the reporters. i made his visit to the un headquarters in new york foreign minister as a law problem began the press conference with the news about kids forces shooting down the russian play and that was carrying ukrainian po w's. i live in a sense, i have to start from yet another case of using terrace methods by the key of regime in the morning of the 24th of january. moscow times a russian hill, 76,

transport plane was shot down while transporting 65 ukrainian military personnel from moscow to belgrade, accompanied by 3 russian officers and 6 crew members. all of them were killed. ukrainian prisoners will be moved to the belgrade region for the exchange that was agreed upon by moscow and kia instead, ukraine hit the plane with anti aircraft missiles from the harcourt region right after the plane will shut down. key of claimed yet another victory for valiant ukrainian armed forces. but as soon as it became known that the plain was carrying ukrainian prisoners and cuba officials didn't know that there was going to be an exchange. ukrainian propaganda immediately tried to cover up its joyful reports about the victory and is now trying to find some other explanation of the russian foreign minister began in his press conference by speaking about the downing of the prisoner of war plain and the situation surrounding that. he mentioned that russia has called a meeting, an emergency meeting of the un security council on this matter. however,

it appears that france has blocked this meeting from taking place. they've used their power as the acting president of the un security council to prevent this emergency meeting requested by russia from moving ahead. as the russian foreign ministers press conference was taking place on telegram. we heard from the deputy ambassador dmitri pulley and skiing. then he said that he really hoped france would not do as had been done previously. regarding the boots incident, i had the opportunity to ask the russian foreign minister about the anti russian rhetoric. we've heard from both american media and american politicians. and if this means that they are possibly psyching up the population for all out war against the country, here's some of what he said when answering my question, you sure status. i hope that there are still smart people in the us bite and said that a few cream loses russia will go to the baltic states, finland, and so on. president prudent has already commented on this matter,

saying we have no desire or need to attack any one's neither militarily nor politically, nor economically. we would have had no need to launch a special military operation if there had been no coo and ukraine. and then when the mens could agreements were signed, it turned out that no one was going to honor them except put in the special military operations became inevitable after years of trying to convince the west that there is no need to create a direct threat to russia on our borders, we also heard from the russian foreign minister regarding the situation in the middle east. in particular, how israel continues its bombardment of gaza and how the united states has played a very negative role in this whole situation. preventing humanitarian aid from being delivered, enabling israel to carry out it's ongoing atrocities. and essentially, over the course of years, not going along with what russia has been pushing for all this time, which is a road to palestinian statehood. he describes some of russia's diplomatic efforts

to resolve the palestine question and russia's approach to the middle east and the boiling tensions of that region here is some of what he had to say. let's see to those easily. it's a, it's a for all these long decades. they have talk circles around the necessity of establishing a palestinian state and try to dissolve it and have the initiatives get the same patterns to be repeated. now we will be so in the seeds of get another conflict, yet another outbreak of violence to us, it seems absolutely essential that efforts are made to restore palestinian unity. the off house to me in factions come together and announced the restoration of the pals to me and people of which will be a solid foundation for a future palestinian state. let's get back to me. blinking was recently in the middle east. he said the south africa's lawsuit against israel and the international court is distracting. the global communities attention from resolving the palestine is real conflict, claiming they are giving attention, but it is being distracted. we haven't seen any attention from the us. now,

we also heard from the russian foreign minister regarding the aspect of the history of the region that doesn't seem to get acknowledged every time the united states has overthrown or the stabilize the country. often in the name of its war on terror, the result has been more instability, more terrorism, and the expansion of instability and terrorist forces within the region. i touched on how the record of the united states in the region is just not good in the united states. doesn't seem to really be making things better for any part of the middle east. here's what we heard from the russian foreign minister took aside. so then you should be able to use this as for the current crisis and the implications of us policy in the region. they're equally understood by all not a single campaign that washington has undertaken over the last decades referencing it's fundamental security interest, even 10000 miles across the atlantic,

where it has added security threatened not a single campaign has resulted in a better life for the country that was attacked, some countries practically don't exist. libya, for example, skid statehood has been completely destroyed, interact, everyone knows how shamefully american diplomacy tried to justify this aggressions . completely failing to do so with its so called physical evidence. incidentally, the as lama state emerged after this invasion of iraq and veron lies the us influence on the middle east. they tell everyone that they will deal with it all themselves. speaking of the palestinian israeli conflict, they stopped the quartet of international mediators and took everything on themselves. we see how that ended. this is just another example of a situation where the american leadership brings tragedy lever. i've also discussed the crisis on the korean peninsula and the rising tensions there and a recurring theme throughout his remarks was that in many countries that were once colonized of now established their own independence. they've started to walk on

their own 2 feet and develop their own economies. and it seems like the united states is not willing to accept that the rise of the bricks, nations and the bricks, economic union, the independence of various countries from the former colonized world. busy and their desire to participate and join with countries like russia in china. and the process of development seems to be something that the western leaders are actively trying to prevent, trying to stop the new global economy. that is emerging, the world is simply not centered around wall street in london anymore. and there is a new economy emerging around the world. this was a theme that came off throughout the russian foreign ministers remarks talking about how the united states is essentially trying to hold off the future that is breaking through across the planet. a kid has previously been accused of targeting their own troops back in 2022, several ukrainian and sold his dad and a number of attacks carried out by their own side. are these romano costs are of

come by mystery? these are just some of the bodies of ukrainian soldiers, which were killed by their own ukrainian army overnight smell. these guys, they've been killed by shrapnel. meanwhile, these guys right here, their bodies have been burned as a result of a strike. beyond recognition, criminal experts from russia and from the next people's republic are now working on documenting every single body of every ukrainian soldier, even though neither knew ukrainian authorities insisted on using this place of detention. it was discussed previously, so they knew perfectly well where the prisoners were being held and that's how they took the lives of their own soldiers. ukrainian army used high caliber, high mars artillery systems when they struck this battery just after 2 o'clock at night. now there were at least $600.00 prisoners and of this barrack alone. now,

according to a russian and defense ministry, this was a pro vacation on the part of the ukrainian army. organized a rental force. a large number of ukrainian soldiers are laying down their weapons, as they know about the humane treatment of military prisoners by russia. this outrageous provocation was ended intimidating ukrainian soldiers and preventing them from surrendering over the last couple of weeks. the members of the nationalist, as on battalion, started giving witness accounts about the war crimes committed by them and their superiors. apparently those war crimes were commissioned by the highest authority in key if, as the result they were punished by hi, maurice or so they were wanted systems and these are just some of the fragments of that high caliber shelf a lot. and that's all discuss a topic with all guess radio host and policy go come and tell you, dusty of guilt,

as well as senior editor of the issue inside john and capital age gentlemen is good to have you join me both right now. i do the great steve, let me start with you. here. after more than 12 hours of silence, the ukrainian president finally commented on the cries, vaguely and without blaming russia. it was a surprise. let me say, but what's your assessment of the last gives reaction to the incident. well, it seems like they, they sort of acknowledge that they shut down the plate and then they started backing off of that. you know, usually the 1st answer is the correct one. i mean is the tragic event, but again, in more there are mistakes that are made. i don't think that they intentionally shut down a plane for their own deals that we use. but there's also some speculation that there is division and keep some people want this conflict to continue. they want to try to find the provocative ways to, to blame russia and, and dec, tracy sort of falls flags and, and we've seen that before when there was a rocket shot by ukraine that landed in poland. immediately there were calls for

poland to jump in declare war on russia. later they acknowledged it was their own misfolded, misfired intended to oppose them, but yeah, we were nearly pushed into world war 3 because you prayed, was pushing that agenda to keep this foregoing. and again, this has been a propaganda late war from them, claiming that uh uh, the ghost of gi was shooting down, the russian aircraft lifted. right. that wasn't true when they were saying that there are soldiers on an island, you face down to russian battleship and were all killed. and then it was turned out that there's a, a surrendered. there has not been a lot of truth from new brand new inside lately. and this is tragic, but uh they need to step up and take the blame before more damage is done. all right, john, let me come to you this that now the ukrainian president urge that old fox regarding the deadly trash b stablished. how likely is it that key as well really investigate or do you believe that it all you do brush out brusset, this issue,

another rug like other similar incidents. it's a little more challenging. it's not brush worthy of, you know, you have entered to put turns garrett, talking about, put this in the human context. you've got, you know, 74 people whose parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends are now morning 9 and the russian federation, the crew and the, and the soldiers guarding the prisoners and then the ukrainians. so, you know, i doubt that, you know, this was certainly a deliberate act, but the ukrainian government and i was in bali when that a missile hit poll. and then there was a series of denials from the ukrainian government president by the push back present air to one of turkey. a infamously refused even to attend the meeting, saying he spoke to present a quote,

and he hasn't heard anything yet. so he waited and in turn, ukrainians did have to come come clean, but you know, this one is, is just really ugly. they're going to be here. 76 body bags and they're going to be returning some ukraine. and yes, there um, as someone who was in the car keys on the 24th of february 20222023 is due to be back on the 2024. uh, you know, i just, i've seen a lot of, of the impact of what the ward has done and the decisions that both governments in moscow and the key of the maintenance. um, you know, what it's truly tragic. what i do now is that this won't be the last. we're going to see these mistakes again on both sides. now. uh steve, let me come back to you now from says refuse to hold an emergency un security council meeting over the russian plane crash involving p o w 's. what do you make

of that decision? they may be waiting to get more information, but i think the while he is the guy exactly right. we can't ignore the human element in this. we also can't ignore the fact that you have ukraine flying, flying missiles, in the clearly civilian territories on christmas into don asked this past weekend, keep going, killing people in clearly civilian areas and, and always denying that they're doing anything. i think france maybe making the right decision to say, let's get all the facts. but as you pointed out, can we trust the key will really give us the fact that it makes absolutely no sense the rush or which you down their own aircraft. every element of this looks like it was a mistake on the keep side, shooting, gavin aircraft that was trying to deliver prisoners for an exchange. another aircraft, apparently fall of your training and prisoners ready for exchange, had to divert to avoid the same fate. but i hope the u. s. b, u j, the united nations,

and certainly to give us the truth the whole truth sooner rather than later the united states. it has plenty of satellites overlooking every foot of this battlefield. we know what happened just as we ended up knowing what happened was that all, it's just missile misfire. i think the binding device administration to step up and weigh in and say, this is a horrible mistake, but deaths are, are tragic. but this is what happens. we know, and we should say, now, john, in your thoughts on this process move, do you believe that it has anything to do with russian troops, neutralizing a group of french missionaries in the hawk on last week? can you, can you give me that again? i'm sorry you, you broke up a bit, paul. okay, so what i'm asking is that let me have your thoughts exactly on this issue. do you believe that it could also have anything to do with the roster and troops neutralizing a group of friends missionaries in the hall called last week? i don't know anything about the french mercenaries and,

and car keys. and what i think this is a uh, emblematic a, is a, a, a war theater in penn, both sides. that there's, there's an aggressiveness on the part of those in the field. and those making decisions. and, you know, they're in the as, as conflicts and metastasize and, and becoming during there's more, a, more of a, a, a, a, almost a dna like reflection reaction where people want to make big, big leaks. they want to do big things. and so when, you know, if that missile that hit that plane, if indeed it is from ukraine and then hit that, that illusion. 76 and long, long,

many, many years ago actually was on one of those aircraft. and they are enormous. and you can see someone at the feel today. wow, here's a target. we can see it, we can take it out. let's go ahead and do it. and that adrenalin raj, the problem for president zalinski is this is coming up just an awful time for him, not only issues relating to funding with us funding with european union, but also more and more internal discussion as to what is ukraine doing? what is the pathway, what is the in game? and how do we in this, and the same discussions in the russian federation? you know, i often use this example that, you know, present, uprooting and presidents lensky in their minds. they have a number or series of numbers in terms of when so many get killed.