tv Cross Talk RT January 25, 2024 9:30pm-10:00pm EST
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the help of medical staff and nurses have nearly completed the evacuation, but a search for the remaining individuals is ongoing. for all the details surrounding the possible casualties, injuries on the cause of the fire are not clear and disorder. and these all 4 of these have advised the public to stay tuned for official results to be announced in the coming hours and days. so we cannot tell for now if they've gone to the hospital incident has anything to do with the ongoing escalation and the region on the repetitive retaliatory operations exchange between erewhon and as well in the wake of the gaza war. but we do know that the gun d is one of the most important and best equipped hospitals in the middle east, which was built 15 years ago to boost medical tourism. and these long to for public i'll be wrong. it host a significant number for, and patients mostly from your wallet and other countries to receive treatment apart from its medical services. it has
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a large hotel that provides accommodation for 90 warranty and patients and their families. so the question of whether it was an accident or an act of sabotage remains to be seen in the coming days because of the top doors. that's how on our to international head to our website, talk to you to come for more and that they show on josh. see of a couple of the out the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle?
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few issues of polarized the world recently, like israel's war on gaza, the west defends israel's colonial settler project. the rest of the world looks on in anger and discussed what we're witnessing is the end of the west 500 years of global hegemony. it is last moral authority, the cross hockey in palestine. i'm joined by my guest in martin in washington. he is an attorney and former member of the republican national committee in new york. we have line off. he is a legal and media analyst and didn't be route. we cross all the risk. he is a rider and political analyst, right. tell me costs are girls in effect. that means you can jump any time you want . and i always appreciate all the, let me go to you 1st and be rude. lionel a racially racially has been on this program week after week covering the guys issue. and the 1st time i had them on, i asked him a quick question about his thoughts about it. and he said everything has changed.
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and it's one of the reasons why i'm calling this program because they shift in your mind. what has changed. i mean, in your country, in your region, in the world, philosophically, however you want to approach that question, go ahead ali. it will let us change 1st and foremost is the invincible homie reputation, which is rarely use to enjoy. now that reputation was shaken, quite uh, quite exemplary by the previous was the 2006 for here and living on. but i think authoration other books are still in by how much has completed be shifted and broadband reputation to an end. i think that has led to turning us policy in the regional upside down. you have the major us highlight in the region which turned out to be more of a paper tiger. if you would, if you could say, confronting a movement like thomas, which has much more limited military capabilities,
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and this forces us into winds on my end, i'm going to release your seeing now what's happening in the, i'm and how the u. s. appears to be the most isolated when it comes to banking israel. even some european allies very important you are being watched by the way, like friends, have distanced themselves familiar with support for his room. russia and china had some interesting stance. as in this particular conflict, we saw a delegation from how much visiting russia. and i think both russia and china wouldn't mind at all if they weren't able to further increase the influence of the hens. listen, the influence of the year wished, and the region which has proven to be quite destructive. and so i think all of the, the elements taken into account pointing the point to this broader shift to which we but this thing which is a result of the water and goes yeah, that's a very interesting observation. sure. well, i know, you know, in my introduction i talked about the,
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the lack of moral authority. and as we look as we speak right now, the proceedings i'm against is, or by south africa on genocide as being spoken about and will soon be decided on it . it's, it's very interesting to me how the united states as a band, and so many of the principles that you and i, as some americans were brought up with, okay. and it's, you know, due process rule of law, all of these things here. and there being so easily a band and, and then something closer to home for us is that and freedom of speech is being attacked by people who we thought were defenders of the free speech. go headline on a couple of things. the people, many citizens for the 1st time, are asking themselves why is there such a focus on palestinians in the course? they realize that this has been going on, you know, for 75 years. but for some reason they, they but wait into this,
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this is the 2 points. i always say, number one. if we change the word israel to france, it will be a completely different argument. people would be talking about things completely differently. there was a, you can do that, this is wrong, but for some reason, this kryptonite 3rd rail, kind of a cowboy don't go there, attitude current phones, people. and the 2nd question i have is, can you think of any country in the world that would send sure or, or expelled it's college students for saying something against the united states on their college campus? have you ever heard of those? people are asking one that we're, we're be, you're, you're being expelled from a school here because you disagree with another country's foreign policy. when did that happen? so as i said, the rules are inverted, it's good choice. and it's about time the people ask themselves, wait a minute, who's in charge here? who exactly is the client today? the home?
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well, i was going to, i was going to get that. do you want to jump in? you've been very patient, go ahead. i do. i, i just because i want to sort of agree with everyone and i want to point to leadership as a problem in america. yeah. well, where, where we sit and look at a president who doesn't know whether he's come or going on. these positions hit one day, he's a sanchez defender of israel, the next day he's, he's not, i mean, he goes back and forth guys, but you mentioned due process. i have to tell you in america right now and, and put aside trump versus buying in america. right. now i think i'm going to sound like an old fashion bleeding heart, a c o u lawyer, i'm a lawyer. i never thought i'd say that, but the fact is due process has been lost in this country. you can look at january 6, you can look at how they prosecuted aspects of almost anything. and i'm willing to move all the way to the point where i say to myself, out loud to the federal, especially federal federal prosecutorial system becomes so skewed against those without power. by the way, the black and brown drug dealers, all that, that we have to really rethink this and i think we do. and,
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and you guys pointed to something you said the media, the power, the media's america. we been the way wash by the media that we had to fight you crate and the ukranian war. it was the end of everything. and one day pivot. we're now we're going to go back to israel. i'm and we're and we forget about ukraine. now, my opinion, by the way to say on the record, i think that what happened, what, how mazda attacked on october 7th is an existential crisis. and i think that is roger right to defend themselves. that's a different part of this debate. but i would like to just say guys, we in this country and america are listening to our big tech and big media. rain was just that we have to move on to the next fight. we've got to and the next fight is just whatever our, our, our, our narrative machine, big government, big tech and big media is telling us. and it's a disaster that you can not like drop, but trouble stood up to that machine. not always perfectly, but he certainly seemed to be on the side of americans as opposed to on the side of i don't know who. well, you know, did real quick and palestinians have the right to protect themselves too. but i get
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your point. i get your point. okay, i got you. okay. so all we, you know, i'm, you know, people always ask me of you. do you like talking about politics actually like culture and society more. okay. and philosophy because i see an ad the case can of, of a moral stance here. i mean, the united states is also in the dock when it comes to genocide. and i don't think most americans, the vast majority of americans understand that. and just to echo with ed said they don't, but they'll never really know why on i talk enough to know that he's told me repeatedly that people basically don't have a clue. is it? i'm us one morning woke up and decided to attack israel. well, that isn't the story here. so looking at it from the region here, obviously israel wants the us to stay in the region. obviously it wants to fight its wars for it, but the region is resisting more and more. when biting went to israel, he was shunned by arab leaders. that's a turning point poly. before i answer your question,
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this very quickly about the client state issue, the definition of a client's state is a state which serves your interest. all right, if you look at it from that perspective, i failed to see how you would support vegas round service, who was interest specifically with the car and not the whole government. and, but i think more the offers it is just for america's working, more for the is right interest. so with a visa america, i'm not saying it's fully inclined stain, but it resembles more clients say that these are particularly now in this conflict under sensors. taken by the, by the ministration with respect to a question about how the region is resisting the american pressures. that's true. the, your seeing how the, how many years, even soto law movement. how they haven't been detailed. despite these attacks, despite the terrorist, there's like a nation or steps which i filed on. i think a very important point to realize is that tom sent to the movements in this region
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. the in addition to we're on, you know, 1st the law. i'm sort of law how mass they do realize that the american public, on more of an american, in general, is not ready for another middle east and adventure. and i think that's net loss only as players when they picture these later later. but i want to buy another cross. i was across stop, i want to knowledge your. thank you what your comments slide by peter on this member that famous interviewer trump was asked about food and then they said, you know, it's a killer and trump said killer. he's like your, you're all killers. i mean, my, my point is that i agree with the quote up the search and that's everyone's in the box. meaning we have to look critically at our own policies and say, what exactly is going on? you know, one of the last debates in this country about presidential immunity. as we know, obama was killing civilians withdrawal p themselves was saying, kill them out of a debate. but let's not pretend that there's not moral gravity to this bill. clinton was calling in bonds to bosnia way too late, because well,
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i had my my head, you're yours doing the indictment for me. i agree with you. good boy. i the, i, if you don't, it doesn't have, i could do the home about buying me. okay. i'm who cares. okay. it has a policy here, and i'm going to go to line on here for a 2nd here. it's a policy that is never been fleshed out and debated in america because people are afraid to say the true. let's just say, go ahead while. well, i got a couple of things here. first and foremost, what i imagined just before a few said to you as most americans, what are the roles of bb that yahoo and victoria newland in crafting american foreign policy. most of them would say, i don't know who you're talking about. and that's absurd story because we're living kind of in the 1950s world where we think we're the good guys and the bad guys. another problem is, i'm sorry to say this, but when you say to people genocide and my colleague here who is a federal lawyer,
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i always looked at the definition. tell me what, what, what the i c j means. you know, we, we have a law in this country called may have and it has nothing to do with what you would think it would be. so when you look at genocide, people have this idea of the holocaust or our schmidt's or something. and they will, in part, that particular ideation into what this is when they look at what apartheid is to the weight of south africa. did you have a hard time talking about an expert witness? i mean, doesn't get any better than that. so i have this idea, actually we have this idea that somehow these terms, they are, they're there, they conflict with our pedestrian st. ideas of what this is. well, yeah, because of the genocide is something that is historical. that's how americans have been taught a gentleman. fascinating discussion, i'm going to go to a short break and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the
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in davos last week um its insufferable stuff unfortunately. well fortunately i have people to give me a clip, so i don't have to wait for the waste too much time. but always when you look into it, yeah, anthony blank and the secretary of state, he's a pathological liar. okay. now maybe that get gets him by in davos and his crowd. okay, fine. we're not invited to such things, but you know, the city, you know what, what i found really, i couldn't figure out was more disgusting, what he had to say, and how nobody confronted him with a nonsense that he was saying here. but in your part of the world, you know something about how a foreign policy over many, many administrations as lied to their, its own people in the interest of other countries, particularly this one country in israel. so again, these are the resistance that they talk about. i mean, they have the truth on their side. i mean, you can, you can go through everything that's secondary sites said, and you can,
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you can prove that it is not true. it's false. and, but i mean, i'm sure they don't, you don't have to be convinced because you just see it at face value lies. go ahead only just quickly before um in the previous satisfy. it was saying, just the one i have to make is the leadership accessible up 2nd customer. so like in a previous page said, america's visa in your crane. it has all the priorities. now is the time to work on making america withdrawal. now that's part of a broader strategy, which claims in the end component is really not very difficult situation because there's a conviction on the part of the what they call the resistance texas, the without american in the region. and that's when it gets ran, we'll be really a bundle on face for the next a central chrysler. so you have a know, i think a new strategy by this next and access in the region which recognize that there's a us no longer has the resources all the time to invest that much in protecting is right of it all we would do with the ortho also know more or store it to you to be
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there any more. okay. the iraqis want american troops out, syria is being occupied, you legally, but not by the united states. there's a lot of elements that do not want the united states. so i would say, and i've said this for many years, yes. view, i should leave the middle east when it gets ugly. yes it would, but the region would heal itself having an outside or arbitrate everything. the way it does in favor of one country is what is most disastrous for the region. your thoughts are only why or why agree? i agree with you when the, you know, history says look at what, what else do you wish policy? is us policy in the end, the reliance on military now, obama, a result of the one time when you say that, you know, you can get on a, to how to solve every single problem. that was the luck of the environment. criticism, one of the few bright spots of obama, so they have a left office with 7 wars, or hey donald, it's around and decide donald trump didn't start one. like,
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i don't know why my disagree. i'm just saying that the us and ministrations even you have a you with the president to, with mental financial for leads in the american foreign policy. which certainly knows how to use military force which has like a sub the region itself. and that was able to set up the american interest by the way. now regarding blinking, i think was even worse than the fact that blinking is lying. we all know that the young or the american democracy when it comes to the middle east. and when it comes to fiber to them to just re on what is even worse for the year, which is the moment, but you don't have to do you no longer have the money. it's been, you know, people are, you know, they pull them out. i think it was, i don't know how to practice policy. if you look at this administration, jag sullivan. if you remember just i think about a week before that's cover and i think it was exactly 5 days, but keep going. yeah. the reason it's in the most stable period have a so i think that says a lot about the us to expertise towards this region. i went back to the people who
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have genuine knowledge about the middle east call being marginalized. yep. by people who support, you know, the general approach of blindly following israel. i can point with the middle to our eyes ation. go ahead, right. edge of it, go ahead. yeah. you know, i, i, peter, i think i cut off all the last time so i don't want it this time. i apologize. but i want to say a couple things. one is your right, excuse me, we race to the bottom. we have the worst wires and not even a good liars, they're not even good at the job, but not sophisticated. i mean, they're just as you point out there, they're just, they're, they're terrible. i would say something different though. i think the post world war 2 now and, and, you know, thankfully, kissinger is gone. i, i pray for so, but he's gone thankfully, because we can stop talking about kissinger and his ideas. and we can say to ourselves, what is america want now? and i think the big reset since the end of the bush cheney year, which happened when trump one is what is a repeat of these republicans. but i think american foreign policy as you point out,
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where should we have american interest in the world? you know this, this last december we celebrated the 200 that a bursary of the monroe, dr in the middle, dr. and if you look closely at, it was about the systems that were coming into the western hemisphere because they weren't compatible with america. but monroe said, we're not coming into europe because we don't want to mess with your stuff either. you figured out for yourself. i think more and more americans are saying, show us what the interest is in these parts of the world for us. and let us assess whether that's valuable i, i want another show argue about how we do feel a certain moral debt to the is really whether that's accurate or not. that's how america feels. and i'm finished with this. we've been brainwashed. i mean, even that we're just as good i, i don't know, i don't see any obligation the united states as real 0. that's no, no, no, that's not what i said. the taz happened in europe. it didn't happen in america. i know, but that's not what i said. what i said was, that's how americans feel. i'm not saying we have
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a debt. i'm saying if you feel like you have a deb and you're electing politicians who are telling you that to that that's. that's what that is. that's where that's part of it where it's coming from. most of it's coming from oil for controllers where oh, it's vinyl, it's coming from the donor class. okay. as usual, it's the donor class. okay. nope, everything ed said i could agree with. with lionel, you're always confronted with the question, do you send them off? that's the beginning and the end of the conversation. that's how they do it. like, oh, a couple of things here. you, you, you must ask these bumper sticker play book questions number one does is we all have the right to defend itself and you responded, does palestine? and the answer is, oh, i never thought about that. that's number one. number 2, they think that they don't want to look at proportionality. imagine if, after after the gulf of tonkin, we decided to new vietnam elisa, yeah, but it was a gulf of tonkin. we would say that doesn't make any sense. we've forgotten that because the argument doesn't go past those 2 or 3 questions. let me say it will be
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very quickly. we talk about the media. i invite all my friends to go to youtube, which up to now has been pretty pretty but now and rather add a dining sack or and i said, just just put into your search parts, israel, palestine, and see what comes up. you will be maids and i am every day made to the meet this bird janine me to peep. and by the way, people that before october, the 7th, i would not necessarily be listening to, for a variety of reasons who now show this exquisite brilliance as to the singular problems that we're looking at right now. there are people, there are journal is there are new platforms that are absolutely leading sees to this classic status meandra. so media that we have had who, by the way, isn't even interested because america, i'm sorry to say, is more interested in the super bowl. and taylor swift. so what's going on right now? much to their so i yeah, i don't even know who taylor swift is. the really i would say the name all the time
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. i have no idea of who they're talking about. yeah, better off. okay, don't. but i'll wait on, what does i want to finish? you know what i really serious note here because, you know this, we've heard it already. you know, israel has a right to defend itself. okay, well, what's on pack that as quickly as we can on television? well, gaza and the west bank are under occupation. so under international law then self defense gets a lot more dicey. ok, israel actually is, an occupier is obligated to make sure that there are, there is food. there is water, there is fuel, they're doing everything the opposite. so even the way it's presented in western media, if it's not to it they, they don't present the legal argument this that's on the face of it. it's a lie to ali. exactly. you know, use fairly is always, has always been to try to is the victim in this region. although not the argument is getting harder and harder to defend as a result of use for it was ongoing shift to the right. even the american,
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this is ministration is finding it difficult to have 10 thing that i think the important point which we haven't made reference to yet is the by the logical support which is rarely enjoys that america. they have an up so slow segment. the goal is to have you have some people who believe in i jewish christian alliance against those loops. those factors, i think also you know, important factors when you want to explain the general approach, not just of american foreign policy, but also some members of the american population to correct me if i'm not mistaken . i still have the skin or stereotype view that identifies most of these with terrorists and that particular times think of foreign policy which is more affordable for me. i do believe it's changing the purpose and the west, or i think you know that. but besides you, i don't the, i think it is a significant issue which you don't deserve squares any. yeah. it all
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a american jews and you induce in europe are standing up to not in my name. that was one of the most hardly things i've seen since october something. and i want to go back to tell, you know, yeah, i'm a partisan politics is always a plays a role in all of this here. but you know, i find it really interesting the people i have contact with the media and lionel knows this very well. i can talk to really far left people. i and, and, and i think i agree with them on a lot of things. i'm a conservative here, but i don't like the prism in which the leads always trying to present issues here, left wing people. liberals like drug. i can't find any common ground with but left when people conservative people independent people. and it's basically this liberal establishment that controls the narrow to and is, lionel is pointed out, we're all punching holes in it into it. it's just ridiculous what they're presenting us and that's why people are turning away. i have and watch cable news now for a year. go ahead. yeah. well, i mean,
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a couple of things. couple observations. you started that question or comment with the partisan politics. if you watch that nikki haley versus trump conversation, you see a classic neo con nikki haley. yep, who is really spouting off all of those positions and, and sort of formulas likely. i mean, she's like anthony blinking, you look at it, you say you can't mean that, but you just bounce it off. on the other side, you have trump and trumps. i, you know, i, the allergy if it's such as if it's, if it's for our interest, i want to be strong. so i'll deal with the saudis, right. i'll deal with it is real. i'll and i think more americans to comment earlier about the ben general goals, for example. i think more americans are in the conservative wing, are looking up and saying, help me understand how american issues american interest are at the heart here. and you know, for example, you would have never heard on the conservative side this conversation, the conversation went like this. why are we given israel money? they've got plenty of blending power. we don't have any lending by what the borrow money. why are we sending them to? well, i can say them all, you know, you then i said, and then yeah,
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who gives zalinski a call. he's got plenty of action. okay, exactly. all right. all right, dental dental that have run out of time here. past the baby and just catching you. i want to thank my guest in washington, new york, and, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember, across the 1934 france invaded algeria and straight away the french started in every day get to strengthen their position. the column is known as the new ours, the best land from day one. the local population was put into an unequal position
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and was briefly exploited. this cause and as discontent. the people of l. g area began their long term fight for independence. 1954. the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress, to rebuild you and using cruel measures. whole villages were wiped out, acts of georgia and executions of civil people, including pregnant women, children and old people took place. more than 2000000 people were born into concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help. cl, jerry and patriot managed to induce france the star tease negotiations. in 1962 heavy and the cords were assigned 14 l. jerry on the bass towards independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price, algeria by rights is considered to be
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a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians, the french colonists are responsible for the debts of one and a half 1000000 algerians. that's at the media and that will be the band list to go ahead the assumption somebody should but have 2 thirds of the simple the familiar with if i video are students to, to me to put you on board is showing that envisioning here. and then we left, please check the movie available, solution accessible was in your all the so with this,
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