and the claim, some supplies as of incident to say they were targeted to the port name. what happened is the people went out to get their food for the day, but they couldn't find anything to eat. he's rarely tank suddenly appeared. and he, people with shells, we had to bring him to the hospital on a donkey cart. we're going to buy slot landlord waiting for the trucks when these rarely tags hit us with 4 shells. young people were killed and all this, what easiest. i was heated my feet and in my hands the dozens have been killed and hundreds and jude, even the injuries a strange injury is where the body is towards it's crazy, is right is carrying out a mass. garrett gives these defense, those innocent civilians and goals like to go out looking for food while under steve for killing people. and while israel is enforcing a criminal policy against the populace, the civil defense cruise is still recovering, injured people and dead bodies from this side. the occupation is still controlling the area and preventing us from entering to recover anyone who's less that there

are people that we have not been able to recover because they close to his right the military vehicles. the situation is very difficult. it is as if we have gone back in gauze and say date to the early days of the bloody war and the gaza strip. uh that is off and most of the signing off of this out roy associate will be taking the reins from the top and he will be bringing you the very latest on that and launch anticipate has been trimmed warning, find the ice j expected within an hour and a half, a small caesar, the the, [000:00:00;00]

the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter lavelle. few issues had polarized the world recently, like israel's war on gaza. the west defends israel's colonial side a little project. the rest of the world looks on an anger and discussed what we're witnessing is the end of the west, 500 years of global hegemony. it is last moral authority, the cross section in palestine. i'm joined by my guess at martin in washington. he is an attorney and former member of the republican national committee in new york. we have line off, he is legal and media analysts ended and be real. we cross all the risk. he is a writer and political analyst, right. tell me, costs are roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated ali, let me go to you 1st and be rude. lionel

a racially racially. it's been on this program week after week covering the guides issue. and the 1st time i had them on, i asked them a quick question about his thoughts about it. and he said everything has changed. that's one of the reasons why i am calling this program. because a shift in your mind, what has changed? i mean, in your country, in your region, in the world, philosophically, however you want to approach the, the question, go ahead. ali, you will want to change 1st and foremost is the invincible homie reputation, which is rarely used to enjoy. now that reputation was shaken, quite mean quite exemplary by the previous was the 2006, we're hearing living on. but i think authoration of the book system by how much has completely shifted on board and reputation for one. and i think that has led to turning us policy in the region of upside down. you have the major us how i

in the region which turned out to be more of a pain patel. i don't, if you would, if you could say, confronting a movement like coming us, which has much more limited military capabilities and this force that you're with into, with, on my end, i'm going to release your seeing now what's happening in the i'm and how the us appears to be the most isolated when it comes to banking israel. even some european allies, very important you are being watched by the way, like friends, have distance themselves familiar with support for his room. russia and china had some interesting stance. as in this particular conflict, we saw a delegation from how much visiting russia. and i think both russia and china wouldn't mind at all if they weren't able to further increase the influence and the ends less than the influence of the year west and the region which has proven to be quite destructive. and so i think all of the elements taken into account pointing

the point to this broad are shifting which way, but they're saying which is a result of the water and goes, you know, that's a very interesting observation. sure. well, i know, you know, in my introduction i talked about the, the lack of moral authority. and as we look as we speak right now, the proceedings i'm against is, are by south africa on genocide as being spoken about and will soon be decided. but it, it's, it's very interesting to me how the united states as a band, and so many of the principles that you and i, as americans were brought up with. okay. and it's, you know, due process, rule of law, all of these things here. and there being so easily a band and, and then something closer to home for us is that, and freedom of speech is being attacked by people who we thought were defenders of the free speech go headlines. which a couple of things of the people, many citizens for the 1st time, are asking themselves why is there such

a focus on palestinians in the course. they realize that this has been going on, you know, for 75 years. but for some reason they, they've awakened to this, this is the 2 points. i always say, number one. if we change the word israel to france, it will be a completely different argument. people would be talking about things completely different and there was a, you can do that. this is wrong. but for some reason, this kryptonite 3rd rail, kind of a cowboy don't go there, attitude current phones, people. and the 2nd question i have is, can you think of any country in the world that would send sure or, or expelled it's college students for saying something against the united states on their college campus? have you ever heard them? those people are asking one that we're, we're be, you're, you're being expelled from a school here because you disagree with another country's foreign policy. when did

that happen? so as i said, the rules are inverted, it's good choice. and it's about time the people ask themselves, wait a minute, who's in charge here? who exactly is the client say the home. well, i was going that was good to get that. but yeah, do you want to jump in? you've been very patient, go ahead. i do, i, i just because i, i want to sort of agree with everyone and i want to point to leadership as a problem in america. yeah. well, where, where we sit and look at a president who doesn't know whether he's come or going on. these positions hit one day, he's the staunchest defender of israel, the next day he's, he's not, i mean, he goes back and forth guys, but you mentioned due process. i have to tell you in america right now and, and put aside trump versus buying in america. right. now i think i'm going to sound like an old fashioned bleeding heart, a c o u lawyer, i'm a lawyer. i never thought i'd say that, but the fact is due process has been lost in this country. you can look at the january 6th, you can look at how they prosecute that aspect of almost anything. and i'm willing to move all the way to the point where i say to myself, out loud, did the federal,

especially federal federal prosecutorial system become so skewed against those without our, by the way, the black and brown drug dealers, all that, that we have to really rethink this and i think we do and, and you guys pointed to something you said the media, the power, the media is america. we've been no way washed by the media that we had to fight you, craig and the ukranian more. it was the end of everything, and one day pivot, we're now we're going to go back to israel. i'm and we're, and we forget about ukraine. no, my opinion, by the way to say on the record, i think that what happened? what, how mazda attacked on october 7th is an existential crisis. and i think that as well as a right to defend themselves, that's a different part of this debate. but i would like to just say guys, we in this country in america, are listening to our big tech and big media. rain was just that we have to move on to the next fight. we've got to and the next fight is just whatever our, our, our, our narrative machine, big government, big tech and big media is telling us. and it's a disaster that you can not like trump, but trouble stood up to that machine. not always perfectly,

but you certainly seem to be on the side of americans as opposed to on the side of i don't know who. well, you know, did real quick and palestinians have the right to protect themselves too. but i get your point. i get your point. okay, i got you. okay. so all we, you know, i'm, you know, people always ask me the, do you like talking about politics actually like culture and society more. okay. and philosophy? because i see an abdication of, of a moral stance here. i mean, the united states is also in the dock when it comes to genocide. and i don't think most americans, the vast majority of americans understand that. and just to echo with ed said they dealt with, they'll never really know. lie on, i talk enough to know that he's told me repeatedly that people basically don't have a clue. is it almost one morning woke up and decided to attack israel? well, that isn't the story here. so looking at it from region here, obviously israel wants the us to stay in the region. obviously it wants to fight its wars for it,

but the region is resisting more and more. when biting went to israel, he was shunned by arab leaders. that's a turning point alley. before i answer your question, this very quickly about the client state issue, the definition of a client's state is a state which serves your interests and you're looking at from that perspective. i failed to see how you would support vegas round service, who was interest, particularly with the car and not the whole government. in fact, i think most of the authors it is just for america's working, mostly is right interest. so it appears that america, i'm not saying it's fully inclined stain, but it resembles more clients tend to be 0. but thinking right now, in this conflict under sensors taken by the, by the ministration. with respect to the question about how the region is resisting the american impressions. that's true the, your seeing how they got many years they on sort of law movement. how they haven't

been to, to this far these attacks despite the terrorist there's like a nation or steps which i filed on. i think a very important point to realize is that, um set to move in in this region. in addition to we're wrong. you know, 1st of all, uh, i'm sort of law how mass they do realize that the american public, i'm more of an american in general, is not ready for the middle east of adventure. and i think that's the last on these players when they picture these the later. but i want to buy another cross. i was across stop. i want to knowledge your. thank you. what your comments slide by peter on this member that famous interviewer trump was asked about boot and then they said, you know, as a killer and trump said killer, he's like, you're, you're all killers. i mean, my, my point is that i agree with the cut up the search and that's everyone's in the box. meaning we have to look critically at our own policies and say, what exactly is going on? you know, one of the last debates in this country about presidential immunity, as we know,

obama was killing civilians withdrawal p themselves was saying kill them now, but kind of a debate. but let's not pretend that there's not moral gravity to this bill. clinton was calling in bonds to bosnia way too late because the ed my, my head, you're yours, doing the indictment for me. i agree with you guys. literally finding those. how do i if you don't, it doesn't have i could do the who about buying me. okay. and who cares? okay, is a paul, let's see here, and i'm going to go to line on here for a 2nd here. it's a policy that is never been fleshed out and debated in america because people are afraid to say the true. let's just say go ahead while a well, i got a couple of things here. first and foremost, what i, i imagined just before a few said to you as most americans. what are the roles of bb that yahoo and victoria newland in crafting american foreign policy. most of them would say, i don't know who you're talking about. and that's absurd story because we're living

kind of in the 1950s world where we think we're the good guys and the bad guys. another problem is, i'm sorry to say this, but when you say to people genocide and my colleague here who is a federal lawyer, i always looked at the definition. tell me what, what, what the i c j means. you know, we, we have a law in this country called may have and it has nothing to do with what you would think it would be. so when you look at genocide, people have this idea of the holocaust or our schmidt's or something. and they will, in part, that particular ideation into what this is, when they look at what apartheid is to the way south africa. did you lose our time to talk about an expert witness? i mean, doesn't get any better than that. so i have this idea. we have this idea that somehow these terms, they are, they're there, they conflict with our pedestrian st. ideas of what this is. well, yeah, because of the genocide is something that is historical. that's how americans have been taught a gentleman. fascinating discussion. i'm going to go to a short break and after that short break,

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the, the, the, the welcome back across stock were all things are considered on peter roosevelt remind you were discussing palestine. the okay,

want to go back to holly and be rude to i don't know if you had to suffer through watching some of the talks in davos last week um its insufferable stuff unfortunately. well fortunately i have people to give me a clip, so i don't have to wait for the waste too much time. but always when you look at it, yeah, anthony blank, i'm the secretary of state. he's a pathological liar. okay. now maybe that gets him by in davos and his crowd. okay, fine. we're not invited to such things, but you know, the city, you know what, what i found really, i couldn't figure out what's more disgusting, what he had to say, and how nobody confronted him with a nonsense that he was saying here. but in your part of the world, you know something about how a foreign policy over many, many administrations, is lied to their, its own people in the interest of other countries, particularly this one country in israel. so again, these, the resistance that they talk about, i mean, they have the truth on their side. i mean, you can,

you can go through everything that's like choice. they said, and you can, you can prove that it is not true, it's false. and, but i mean, i'm sure they don't, you don't have to be convinced because you just see it at face value lice. go ahead only just quickly before um in the previous time. so i was saying just the one i have to make is the leadership accessible. so you can pass on the line a previous page said, america's busy in ukraine. it has all the priorities. now is the time to work on making america withdrawal. now that's part of a broader strategy, which claims in the end to important is really not very difficult situation because there's a conviction on the part of the what they called the resistance, texas that went out american in the region. and that's when it gets ran will be really a button ruby i'm facing next, the central chrysler. so you have a now i think a new strategy by this next and access in the region which recognize that there's a us no longer has the resources all the time to invest that much in protecting

israel with all we would do with it. oh worth. oh, also no more or for a to to be there any more. okay. the iraqis want american troops out, syria is being occupied, you legally, but not by the united states. there's a lot of elements that do not want the united states. so i would say, and i've said this for many years, yes. view, i should leave the middle east. would it get ugly? yes it would, but the region would heal itself having an outside or arbitrate everything. the way it does in favor of one country is what is most disastrous for the region. your thoughts are always like, like, well, i agree. i agree with you when the, you know, history says look at what, what has to us policy is us policy in the end, the reliance on military. now, obama, a result of the one time when you say that, you know, you don't need to how to solve every single problem. that was the luck of the environment. criticism, one of the few bright spots of obama. so deputy, he left the office with 7 wars, so hey donald,

it's around and decide donald trump didn't start one. look, i don't know. i'm not disagree. i'm just saying that the us and ministrations even you have a you with a president to, with mental spiteful for leads in the american foreign policy. which certainly knows how to use military force which has on the sub the region itself. and that was able to set up the american interest by the way. now regarding blinking, i think was even worse than the fact that blinking is lying. we will know that the young or the american people, of course, when it comes to the middle east. and when it comes to fine for them to just write on what is even worse for the us, is the product you don't have to do you no longer have the money in, you know, people who are, you know, diplomatic think it was so know how to practice policy, it could look at this administration, jack sullivan, if you remember, just i think about a week before that's cover and i think it was exactly 5 days, but keep going. yeah, that's the reason it's in the most stable period at all. so i think that's there's

a lot of them that you wish to expertise towards this region. i went back to the people who have genuine knowledge about the middle east to call being marginalized . yep. by people who support, you know, the general approach of blindly following history on, i think when, when the middle t r i is ation. go ahead. right. edge of it. go ahead. yeah. i mean, i, i, peter, i think i cut off all the last time. so i don't want it this time, i apologize, but i want to say a couple things. one is your right, excuse me, we race to the bottom. we have the worst wires and not even a good liars, they're not even good at the job, but not sophisticated. i mean, they're just as you point out there, they're just, they're, they're terrible. i would say something different though. i think the post world war 2 now and, and you know, sign fully, kissinger is gone. i, i pray for so, but he's gone thankfully, because we can stop talking about kissinger and his ideas. and we can say to ourselves, what is america want now? and i think the big reset since the end of the bush cheney year, which happened when trump one is what is a repeat, always republican,

but i think american foreign policy as you point out, where should we have american interest in the world? you know this, this last december we celebrated the 200 that a bursary of the monroe doctor in the manual doctor. and if you look closely at, it was about the systems that were coming into the western hemisphere because they weren't compatible with america. but monroe said, we're not coming into europe because we don't want to mess with your stuff. read or you figure it out for yourself. i think more and more americans are saying, show us what the interest is in these parts of the world for us, and let us assess whether that's valuable i. i want another show argue about how we do feel a certain more a debt to the is really is whether that's accurate or not. that's how america feels . and i'm finished with this. we've been brainwashed. i mean, even that were just described. oh, bad. i don't know, i don't see any obligation the united states as real 0. that's no, no, no, that's not what i said. the toss happened in europe. it didn't happen in america. no, but that's not what i said. what i said was,

that's how americans feel. i'm not saying we have a debt, i'm saying if you feel like you have a deb and your electric politicians who are telling you that to that that's, that's what that is. that's where that's part of it. where it's coming from. most of it's coming from oil frontage, roads where it's line, or it's coming from the donor class. okay. as usual, it's the donor class. okay. no, everything ed said i could agree with. with lionel, you're always confronted with the question, do you send them off? that's the beginning and the end of the conversation. that's how they do it. like, oh, a couple of things here. you, you, you must ask these bumper sticker play book questions number one does is we all have the right to defend itself and you responded, does palestine? and the answer is, oh, i never thought about that. that's number one. number 2, they think that they don't want to look at proportionality. imagine if, after after the gulf of tonkin, we decided to new vietnam and we say, yeah, but it was a gulf of tonkin. we would say that doesn't make any sense. we've forgotten that

because the argument doesn't go past those 2 or 3 questions. let me say something very quickly. we talked about the media. i invite all my friends to go to youtube, which up to now has been pretty pretty but now and rather add a dining sack or, and i said, just just put into your search parts, israel, palestine, and see what comes up, which you will be maze. and i am every day made to the meet this bird jeanine me to peep. and by the way, people that before october, the 7th, i would not necessarily be listening to, for a variety of reasons who now show this exquisite brilliance as to the singular problems that we're looking at right now. there are people, there are journal is there are new platforms that are absolutely leading sees to this classic status meandra. so media that we have had who, by the way, isn't even interested because america, i'm sorry to say, is more interested in the super bowl. and taylor swift that what's going on right now? much to their so i yeah,

i don't even know who taylor swift is the name all the time. i have no idea of who they're talking about. yeah, better off. okay, don't, but i'll wait. i want to, i want to finish, you know, really serious note here because you know this, we've heard it already, you know, is it has a right to defend itself. okay, well, let's unpack that as quickly as we can on television. well, garza and the west bank are under occupation. so under international law then self defense gets a lot more dicey. ok, israel actually is an occupier, is obligated to make sure that there are, there is food, there is water, there is fuel, they're doing everything the opposite. so even the way it's presented in western media, if it's not to it, they don't present the legal argument. this that's on the face of it's a lie to ali. those exactly, you know, use fairly is always has always been boatright as the victim in this region. although not the argument is getting harder and harder to defend as

a result because it was ongoing shift to the right. even the american, this is a quick ministration is finding it difficult to have tempting that i think the important point which we haven't made reference to yet is the by the logical support which is rarely enjoys in america. you have a not so small segment in evangelical have you have some people who believe and i, jewish christian alliance against muslims. those factors i think also you know, important factors when you want to explain the general approach. not just of american foreign policy, but also some members of the american population to correct me if i'm not mistaken . i still have the skin or stereotype view that identifies most of these with terrorists. and that particular times, think of foreign policy which is more affordable for me. i do believe it's changing the purpose and the west. i think you know that, but besides you, i don't,

you're going to, i think it is a significant issue which, you know, deserves scores any. yeah. it all a american jews and you induce in europe are standing up to not in my name. that was one of the most hardly things i've seen since october something. and i want to go back to tell, you know, yeah, i'm a partisan politics is always a plays a role in all of this here. but you know, i find it really interesting the people i have contact with the media and line on those as very well i can talk to really far left people. i and, and, and i think i agree with them and a lot of things i'm a conservative here, but i don't like the prism in which the leads always trying to present issues here, left wing people. liberals like drug. i can't find any common ground with but left when people conservative people independent people. and it's basically this liberal establishment that controls the narrow to and is, lionel is pointed out. we're all punching holes in it into it. it's just ridiculous . what they're presenting is, and that's why people are turning when i have and watch cable news now for

a year. go ahead. yeah. well, i mean a couple of things. couple observations. you've started the question or comment with a partisan politics. if you watch that nikki haley versus trump conversation, you see a classic neo con nikki haley. yep. who is really spouting off all of those positions and, and sort of formulas likely. i mean, she's like anthony blinking. you look at it, you say you can't mean that, but she just spouts it up. on the other side, you have trucks and trucks. i, you know, i the allergy if it's such as if it's, if it's for our interest, i want to be strong. so i'll deal with the saudis, right, i'll deal with it is real. i'll and i think more americans attempt to comment earlier about the ben jell goes. for example, i think more americans are in the conservative wing, are looking up and saying, you helped me understand how american issues american interest are at the heart here. and you know, for example, you would have never heard on the conservative side this conversation, the conversation went like this. why are we given israel money? they got plenty of blending power. we don't have any lending bar, let the borrow money. why are we sending them to?

well, i can say them all good days and i say the netanyahu gives zalinski a call. he's got plenty. yeah. okay. so, all right. all right. i did a little gentlemen of run out of time here, passing eating disguise. here i want to take my guess in washington, new york and, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time. remember, across the, the the, the or

the that's as you mean. yeah. the big the band list to go ahead the assumption somebody should but after the civil war to foreigners participating and the more successful the somebody, even if i video storms to, to go to check on the board has shown that emission here and then we left ship them to talk to be available, solution festivals in your classroom all

the time. is this the, the thing is to do because in the hey, decides to call for a ceasefire, then how mazda will abide by the c spy. if the enemy abides by, it's a massive pleasures to supply thing. that's if the u. n. 's full court ruled in favor of south africa's demands for an immediate cease fire on the delivery of 8th, a gas palestinians, a split on whether israel would abide by any decision because they're a little knocked by israel does what it wants. it entered con units and any other place in gaza and wanted, there are many requests for cease fire, but israel listens to no one. i don't think it will in here to any decision with mobilization interaction of the global pressure. israel has no choice but to adhere