these seems to be though it isn't safe to would try to minimize the all time here we're in the outskirts of my income where you creating an defenses, have crumbled all crumbling. but that is not to say that the written off, the front line is between us and 5 city in the distance that is across the gulf. it is currently held by euclidean troops. it is under the control. the fraud live is about about halfway between us and them. with that you said, you know, it's hillary despise all the complaints we've been hearing in the west. then press from the equations about them. you do more immunization move shelves. that has been a huge about the shedding today by you created troops of smoke over in the distance from recent impacts. but since the full of 90 good and my income was the longest running and most of the bloodiest bottles of these conflicts since the top 2 and

the liberation of money to buy russian troops, they have fine doubts, northwood stewards across the gulf. good. the mazda, a week's kilometers covered, varies uh, no sense that there's a shortage among ukrainians of artillery shelves provided by the west and when the guns go quiet, the drones, the kindly cods the drones ladder is the biggest danger to us and to many others. uh, the, the drones come out hunting, but the situation is such that you create a throwing thousands, thousands of drafted conscripted troops into the meat ground into the front lines here. hastily erected a front bloods which said desperately trying to trying to hold or to fight back, move in a beat to stop the russian advance for what i see all davis al a he can get more details on r t does. com. i'll see you again in about 30 minutes, the

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle. few issues of polarized the world recently, like israel's war on gaza. the west defends israel's colonial settler project. the

rest of the world looks on an anger and discussed what we're witnessing is the end of the west, 500 years of global hegemony. it is last moral authority, the cross hockey in palestine. i'm joined by my guess in martin in washington. he is an attorney and former member of the republican national committee in new york. we have mine or he is a legal in media analysts ending be real. we across all the risk. he is a writer and political analyst, right. tell me, costs are roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate ali, let me go to you 1st and be rude. lionel a racially racially has been on this program week after week covering the guides issue. and the 1st time i had them on, i asked them a quick question about his thoughts about it. and he said everything has changed. and it's one of the reasons why i am calling this program because a shift in your mind, what has changed?

i mean, in your country, in your region, in the world, philosophically, however you want to approach that. the question go ahead ali. it will let us change 1st and foremost is the invincible homie reputation, which is rarely used to enjoy. now that reputation was shaken quite uh, quite extensively by the previous was the 2006 or here and living on. but i think authoration of other books are still in by how much has completed be shifted and broadband reputation for one. and i think that has led to turning us policy in the region of upside down. you have the major us all i in the region which turned out to be more of a paper tiger. if you would, if you believe we could say, confronting the movement like come us, which has much more limited military capabilities. and this force the us into which on my end i'm going to release your seeing now. what's happening in the,

i'm and how that you were supposed to be the most isolated when it comes to banking, israel. even some european allies, very important you are being watched by the way, like friends, have distanced themselves familiar with support for his room. russia and china had some interesting stance. as in this particular conflict, we saw a delegation from how much visiting russia. i think both russia and china wouldn't mind at all if they weren't able to further increase the influence and the ends less than the influence of the year west and the region which has proven to be quite destructive. and so i think all of the, the elements taken into account pointing the point to this broader shift to which we but this thing which is a result of the water and goes, you know, that's a very interesting observation. sure. well, i know, you know, in my introduction i talked about the uh the, the lack of moral authority. and as we look as we speak right now,

the proceedings i'm against is, or by south africa on genocide as being spoken about and will soon be decided. but it to, it's very interesting to me how the united states as a band, and so many of the principals that you and i, as some americans were brought up with. okay. and it's, you know, due process rule of law, all of these things here. and there being so easily a band and, and then something closer to home for us is that, and freedom of speech is being attacked by people who we thought were defenders of the free speech go headlines. a couple of things, the people, many citizens for the 1st time are asking themselves why is there such a focus on palestinians in the course. they realize that this has been going on, you know, for 75 years. but for some reason they, they've awakened to this, this is the 2 points. i always say, number one. if we change the word israel to france, it will be

a completely different argument. people would be talking about things completely differently. there was a, you can do that, this is wrong, but for some reason, this kryptonite 3rd rail, kind of a cowboy don't go there, attitude current phones, people. and the 2nd question i have is, can you think of any country in the world that would sudden, sure or, or expel it's college students for saying something against the united states on their college campus? have you ever heard of those? people are asking one that we're, we're be, you're, you're being expelled from a school here because you disagree with another country's foreign policy. when did that happen? so as i said, the rules are inverted, it's good choice. and it's about time the people ask themselves, wait a minute, who's in charge here? who exactly is the client today? the home? well, i was going that was good to get that. but yeah, do you want to jump in? you've been very patient, go ahead. i do, i, i just because i,

i want to sort of agree with everyone and i want to point to leadership as a problem in america. yeah. well, where, where we sit and look at a president who does know whether he's come or going on these positions hit one day . he's the staunchest defender of israel, the next day he's, he's not, i mean, he goes back and forth guys, but you mentioned due process. i have to tell you in america right now and, and put aside trump versus buying in america right now. i think i'm going to sound like an old fashioned bleeding heart, a c o u lawyer, i'm a lawyer. i never thought i'd say that, but the fact is due process has been lost in this country. you can look of january 6, you can look at how they prosecuted aspects of almost anything. and i'm willing to move all the way to the point where i say to myself, out loud, did the federal, especially federal federal prosecutorial system become so skewed against those without power? by the way, the black and brown drug dealers, all that, that we have to really rethink this and i think we do. and, and you guys pointed to something you said the media, the power, the media, if america we've been away washed by the media,

that we had to fight you crate and the ukranian war, it was the end of everything. and one day pivot, we're now we're going to go back to israel. i'm and we're, and we forget about ukraine. now, my opinion, by the way, to say on the record, i think that what happened, what, how mazda attacked on october 7th is an existential crisis. and i think that as well as a right to defend themselves, that's a different part of this debate. but i would like to just say guys, we in this country and america are listening to our big tech and big media. rain was just that we have to move on to the next fight. we've got to and the next fight is just whatever our, our, our, our narrative machine, big government, big tech and big media is telling us. and it's a disaster that you could not like drop, but trouble stood up to that machine. not always perfectly. but he certainly seemed to be on the side of americans as opposed to on the side of i don't know who well, you know, did real quick and palestinians have the right to protect themselves too. but i get your point. i get your point. okay, i got you. okay. so all we, you know, i'm, you know, people always ask me the,

do you like talking about politics actually like culture and society more. okay. and philosophy because i see an ad the case can of, of a moral stance here. i mean, the united states is also in the dock when it comes to genocide. and i don't think most americans, the vast majority of americans understand that. and just to echo with ed said they don't, but they'll never really know lie on i talk enough to know that he's told me repeatedly that people basically don't have a clue. is it? i'm us one morning, woke up and decided to attack israel. well, that isn't the story here. so looking at it from the region here, obviously israel wants the us to stay in the region. obviously it wants to fight its wars for it, but the region is resisting more and more. when biting went to israel, he was shunned by arab leaders. that's a turning point alley. before i answer your question, this very quickly about the client state issue, the definition of a client states is

a state which serves your interests. and if you look at it from that perspective, i failed to see how you would support vegas round service. yours interest, particularly with the car. and i thought the whole government and, but i think more of the authors, it is just for america's working, mostly is right interest. so it appears in america. i'm not saying it's fully declined statement, but it resembles more clients say that these are particularly now in this conflict under sensors taken by the, by the administration. with respect to the question about how the region is resisting the american impressions. that's true, the, your seeing how the, how many is the on soto law movement? how they haven't been detailed this far, these attacks despite the terrorist there's like a nation or steps which i filed on. i think a very important point to realize is that tom set the movements in this region. the, in addition to we're on, you know, has the law, i'm sort of law how mass they do realize that the american public,

i'm more of an american in general, is not ready for the middle east and adventure. and i think that's the last only is players when they picture these later, later. but i want to buy another cross. i was across stop. i want to knowledge your . thank you. what your comments slide by peter on this member that famous interviewer trump was asked about food and then they said, you know, as a killer and trump said killer, he's like your, you're all killers. i mean, my, my point is that i agree with the quote up the search and that's everyone's in the box. meaning we have to look critically at our own policies and say, what exactly is going on? you know, one of the last debates in this country about presidential immunity, as we know, obama was killing civilians withdrawal keep themselves with saying kill them now, like i have a debate, but let's not pretend that there's not moral gravity to this bill. clinton was calling in bonds to bosnia way too late because well, i had my, my head, you're yours doing the indictment for me. i agree with you. good boy. i knows how

to i, if you don't, it doesn't have, i could do the home about buying me. okay. i'm who cares. okay. it is a paul. let's see here and i'm going to go to line on here for a 2nd here. it's a policy that is never been fleshed out and debated in america because people are afraid to say the true. let's just say go ahead while as well. i got a couple of things here. first and foremost, what i imagined just before a few said to you as most americans, what are the roles of bb that yahoo and victoria newland in crafting american foreign policy. most of them would say, i don't know who you're talking about. and that's absurd story because we're living kind of in the 1950s world where we think we're the good guys and the bad guys. another problem is, i'm sorry to say this, but when you say to people genocide and my colleague here who is a federal lawyer, i always looked at the definition. tell me what, what, what the i c j means. you know, we, we have

a law in this country called may have and it has nothing to do with what you would think it would be. so when you look at genocide, people have this idea of the holocaust or our schmidt's or something. and they will, in part, that particular ideation into what this is when they look at what apartheid is to the way south africa fusion. doable. or do i talk about an expert witness? i mean, doesn't get any better than that. so i have this idea, actually we have this idea that somehow these terms, they are, they're there, they conflict with our pedestrian st. ideas of what this is. well, yeah, because of the genocide is something that is historical. that's how americans have been taught a gentleman. fascinating discussion, i'm going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the house so i can stay with our team, the

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open up in the front and then for the test and if i know for will be street the mention is pretty much full time. but if you want to know where it brings 2 of them over proof for those types of products that are going to have the most of the things that are available to try it implemented. so the most of the triple just the enough one to the it's almost the, the system, the good english is and you know, the welcome back to prospect where all things are considered on peter roosevelt. your mind. you were discussing policy on

the okay, want to go back to holly and be rude to you? i don't know if you had to suffer through watching some of the talks in davos last week. um it's insufferable stuff unfortunately. well fortunately i have people to give me a clip, so i don't have to wait for the waste too much time. but i so it's when you look into it. yeah. anthony blank and the secretary of state, but he's a pathological liar. okay. now maybe that get gets him by in davos and his crowd. okay, fine. we're not invited to such things, but you know, the city, you know what, what i found really, i couldn't figure out was more disgusting, what he had to say, and how nobody confronted him with a nonsense that he was saying here. but in your part of the world, you know something about how a foreign policy over many, many administrations, is lied to their, its own people in the interest of other countries, particularly this one country in israel. so again,

these are the resistance that they talk about. i mean, they have the truth on their side. i mean, you can, you can go through everything that secretary state said, and you can, you can prove that it is not true. it's false. and, but i mean, i'm sure they don't, you don't have to be convinced because you just see it at face value lice. go ahead only just quickly before um in the previous satisfy. it was saying, just the one i have to make is at the leadership accessible up 2nd customer. so line a previous page said, america's busy in your crane. it has all the priorities. now is the time to work on making america withdrawal. now that's part of a broader strategy, which claims in the end component is really not very difficult situation because there's a conviction on the part of the what they call the resistance texas. the without american in the region. and that's when it gets ran will be really a bundle i'm facing, the exist central chrysler. so you have a know, i think a new strategy by this next and access in the region which recognize that there's

a us no longer has the resources all the time. to invest that much in protecting is really of it all we would do with the ortho. also know more or store it to you to be there any more. okay. the iraqis want american troops out, syria is being occupied, you legally, but not by the united states. there's a lot of elements that do not want the united states. so i would say, and i've said this for many years, yes. view, i should leave the middle east when it gets ugly. yes it would, but the region would heal itself having an outside or arbitrate everything. the way it does in favor of one country is what is most disastrous for the region. your thoughts are all a like. all right, well i agree. i agree with you when the, you know, history says look at what, what else do you wish policy? is us policy in the end, the reliance on military. now, obama, a result of the one time when you say that, you know, you can get on a, to how to solve every single problem. that was the luck of an environment,

criticism. one of the few bright spots of obama, so they have a left office with 7 wars. hey donald, it's around and decide donald trump didn't start one. like, i don't know. i'm not disagreeing. i'm just saying that the us and restrictions given you how to you with the president wouldn't make financial for leads in american foreign policy, which certainly knows how to use military force, which has a sub the region itself. and that was able to set up the american interest by the way. now regarding blinking, i think was even worse than the fact that blinking is lying. we all know that the young or the american people, of course, when it comes to the middle east. and when it comes to applying for it to them to destroy and what is even worse for the us is the moment, but you don't have to do you no longer have the money. it's been, you know, people are and you know, they put them. i think it was really know how to practice policy. it could look at this administrative and dec sullivan if you remember just i think about

a week before. that's the cover and i think it was exactly 5 days. but keep going. yeah. the reason it's in the most stable period have a so i think that says a lot about the us to expertise towards this region. i went back to the people who have genuine knowledge about the middle east call being marginalized. yep. by people who supported, you know, the general approach of blindly following israel and couldn't win the middle t r i is ation. go ahead, right. edge of it. go ahead. yeah. you know, i, i, peter, i think i cut off all the last time so i don't want it this time. i apologize. but i want to say a couple things. one is your right, excuse me, we race to the bottom. we have the worst liars are not even good liars, they're not even good at the job, but not sophisticated. i mean, they're just as you point out there, they're just, they're, they're terrible. i would say something different though. i think post world war 2 now and, and you know, thankfully, kissinger is gone. i, i pray for a soul, but he's gone thankfully, because we can stop talking about kissinger and his ideas. and we can say to ourselves, what is america want now?

and i think the big reset since the end of the bush cheney year, which happened when trump one is what is a repeat of these republican. but i think american foreign policy as you point out, where should we have american interest in the world? you know this, this last december we celebrated the 200 that a bursary of the monroe, dr in the middle, dr. and if you look closely at, it was about the systems that were coming into the western hemisphere because they weren't compatible with america. but monroe said, we're not coming into europe because we don't want to mess with your stuff. read or you figure it out for yourself. i think more, more americans are saying, show us what the interest is in these parts of the world for us. and let us assess whether that's valuable i, i want another show argue about how we do feel a certain moral debt to the is really whether that's accurate or not. that's how america feels. and i'm finished with this. we've been brainwashed. i mean, even that were just as good i, i don't know, i don't see any obligation the united states as well as real 0. that's no, no, no,

that's not what i said. oh, that's how it happened in europe. it didn't happen in america. i know, but that's not what i said. what i said was that's how americans feel. i'm not saying we have a debt. i'm saying if you feel like you have a deb and you're elected politicians who are telling you that to that that's, that's what that is. that's where that's part of it, where it's coming from. most of it's coming from oil for control as well. so it's line or it's coming from the donor class. ok. as usual. it's the donor class. okay . nope, everything ed said i could agree with. with lionel. you're always confronted with the question, do you send them off? that's the beginning and the end of the conversation. that's how they do it. like a couple of things here. you, you, you must ask these bumper sticker playbook. questions number one does is we don't have the right to defend itself and you responded there's palestine. and the answer is, oh i never thought about that. that's number one. number 2, they think that they don't want to look at proportionality. imagine if,

after after the gulf of tonkin, we decided to new vietnam elisa, yeah, but it was a gulf of tonkin. we would say that doesn't make any sense. we've forgotten that because the argument doesn't go past those 2 or 3 courses. let me say it will be very quickly. we talk about the media. i invite all my friends to go to youtube, which up to now has been pretty pretty but now and rather add a dining sack or and i said, just just put into your search parts, israel, palestine, and see what comes up. you will be maze, and i am every day make the make this bird jeanine me to peep. and by the way, people that before october, the 7th, i would not necessarily be listening to, for a variety of reasons who now show this exquisite brilliance as to the singular problems that we're looking at right now. there are people, there are journal is there are new platforms that are absolutely leading sees to this classic status meandra. so media that we have had who, by the way,

isn't even interested because america, i'm sorry to say, is more interested in the super bowl. and taylor swift. so what's going on right now? much to their so i yeah, i don't even know who taylor swift is. the only way i would say the name all the time. i have no idea of who they're talking about. yeah, better off. okay, don't. but i'll wait on, what does i want to finish? you know what i really serious note here because, you know this, we've heard it already. you know, israel has a right to defend itself. okay, well, what's on pack that as quickly as we can on television? well, gaza and the west bank are under occupation. so under international law then self defense gets a lot more dicey. ok, israel actually is, an occupier is obligated to make sure that there are, there is food. there is water, there is fuel, they're doing everything the opposite. so even the way it's presented in western media, it is not to it. they, they don't present the legal argument this that's on the face of it. it's a lie to ali those. exactly. you know, use fairly is always,

has always been portrayed as the victim in this region. although not the argument is getting harder and harder to defend as a result of use for it was ongoing shift to the right. even the american, this is a quick ministration is finding it difficult to have that kind of thing that i think the important point which we haven't made reference to yet is the, by the logical support which is rarely enjoys that america. they have an up so slow segment. the goal is to have you have some people who believe in i jewish christian alliance against those lives. those factors, i think also you know, important factors when you want to explain the general approach, not just of american foreign policy, but also some members of the american population to correct me if i'm not mistaken . i still have the skin or stereotype view that identifies most of these with terrorists and that particular times think of foreign policy which is more

affordable for me. i do believe it's changing the purpose and the west, or i think you know that. but besides you, i the, i think it is a significant issue which you don't deserve squares any. yeah. it all a american jews and you induce in europe are standing up to not in my name. that was one of the most hardening things i've seen since october something. and i want to go back to tell, you know, yeah, i'm a partisan politics is always a plays a role in all of this here. but you know, i find it really interesting the people i have contact with the media and lionel knows this very well. i can talk to really far left people. i and, and, and i think i agree with them on a lot of things. i'm a conservative here, but i don't like the prism in which the leads always trying to present issues here, left wing people. liberals like drug. i can't find any common ground with but left when people conservative people independent people. and it's basically this liberal establishment that controls the narrow to and is, lionel is pointed out,

we're all punch in holes that it into. it is just ridiculous what they're presenting us and that's why people are turning away. i have and watch cable news now for a year. go ahead. yeah. well, i mean, a couple of things. couple observations. you started that question or comment was a partisan politics. if you watch that nikki haley versus trump conversation, you see a classic neo con nikki haley. yep, who is really spouting off all of those positions and, and sort of formulas likely. i mean, she's like anthony blinking, you look at it, you say you can't mean that, but she just bounce it off. on the other side, you have trump and trumps. i, you know, i, the allergy if it's such as if it's, if it's for our interest, i want to be strong. so i'll deal with the saudis, right. i'll deal with it is real. i'll and i think more americans attempt to comment earlier about the ben general goals, for example. i think more americans are in the conservative wing, are looking up and saying it helped me understand how american issues american interest are at the heart here. and you know, for example, you would have never heard on the conservative side this conversation, the conversation went like this. why are we given israel money?

they've got plenty of blending power. we don't have any lending by what the borrow money. why are we sending them to? well, i can say them all, i can tell you that. and i said, and then yeah, who gives zalinski a call. he's got plenty of action. okay. so i clicked. all right. all right, dental dental, that i run out of time here, past the baby and just catching you. i want to thank my guest in washington, new york, and, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our tea. see you next time remember, prospect the

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