yeah, absolutely. erected a front blinds which said desperately trying to trying to hold will to fight back what's in it beat to stop the russian, the drugs or that's all from me. now my chronic, i do show a joshua, begin to bring you more stories at the top of we are by now. the hi. i'm sean thomas and this is inland visions. a show where we meet extraordinary people and travel to amazing places so that we can all understand each other just a little bit more. and today we're in rosa. this is an impressive ski resort to just to 40 minutes from the sun and see of searching. but as beautiful as all this is, there is a blooming danger that people just don't fully realize avalanches. and we're here

to meet the team, the kids to them, and check the learn more about the tickets of this fascinating job. we're going to get you started fidelity out. it was part of rosa tours avalanche control to the

a very good thanks for meeting us out here as a talk us through all this. i guess i'll start off by saying nature is completely unpredictable, but they say that you have um, an amazing ability to negotiate with this know talk to me about this and how do you know what to do? well, i think it would be a bit too low to claim we can actually negotiate with smo. unfortunately, all communication with nature is only unit directional. we could listen to it, but we can't impose on terms on it. and that's all we can do is trying to sign for the clues left by nature, the smoke and the way that we know location right now is there understand that there's a lot of moving parts. it's much more complicated than people realize. it's not just one person or a couple of people, it's an entire group of people working together to make this happen. can you talk

me through this process? if i come up that up with a i don't about teamwork. we have a mediator. ology is to monitor the conditions and prepare the full costs for the next 2 or 3 days. a couple of people who observe the snow and those who maintain the equipment we can use to trigger avalanches if necessary. this work is 247, at least when we have snow on the slopes. it's a continuous cycle. we have about 40 people on our team during the winter period. actually. the thanks for meeting us out here. it's a beautiful day. i have to ask for predicting the weather is difficult to do accurately under regular conditions. how do you do it out here in the mountains, under these conditions that i think the geographical position,

the landscape, and the proximity of the black sea creates very specific conditions for this region . without sea behind us be great to call cause this rate, which holds back the air mass is coming to us from the west, but the is and accordingly we witness a very large amounts of precipitation. here you can see the smell cold. there's already 2.5 meters here, the before we have 4 meters. and so this region is characterized by a very large accumulation of snow. and in fact, it is quite difficult to predict the saucer condition source. now, since we're talking about avalanches that i have to ask, when is the most dangerous time for an end of life to occur, is it immediately after a snowfall or when the weather is nice and clear like this? good. yes, a heavy snowfall does cause problems for all of the launch control. so this is more than we can literally see 72, a 2 centimeters of smelt. if you all of us, very often we gotta meet sale snowfall, overnights. and of course, the result is never fully open in such conditions because the launch danger

increases dramatically. but even create a while that can be dangerous. for example, when we have a long periods of will about this know, become sweats, which increases the load of us know, attack and decrease its ability. in general, you need experience and certain specific approach to the size of the avalon association. but in general, yeah, the mouldings hands, the snow falls, the higher most seriously. i have a longstanding to becomes and since you have the meter, i was just have to say, thank you for such a beautiful weather today. we can do it without your help. thank you very much, all in the to how do you actually measure the level of dangerousness of those particular slopes? how do you look at it and say that's dangerous. we can't go there. we've been

studying this area for a long time. oh yeah, no designs that to carry a certain strip level for avalanches. so every year we kind of know what to expect for me cuz so nothing the avalanche conditions they have met. and so and then we take measures accordingly. something like that. well, so slow, so, you know, as i understand that you get down to an actual microscopic level looking at the snow, the type of snow, the different types of snow crystals. how does that actually help you assess the danger level? i mean, is it really that specific truck because they're perfect. most reliable information on avalon changes comes from direct observation is what we touch with our hand to walk on with our feet or see inside a test page. and we only dig smooth bits like measure the different temperatures inside the smooth mask, starting the less formed after a series of snow falls and do a number of tests to determine the stability of those last. we then try to

extrapolate information obtained in one location on to other zones because it's not always possible to take tests with. but i said you some of the occasions can be dangerous. so we only dig in safe places and by the steepness of the slope. when's the temperature community? this all has a factor in whether there is a danger of an avalanche. what's the most important factors or did they all work together? well, we would say that any effect it could prove to be decisive on any given day. typically the most important factors are the amount of snow and the steepness of the flight from your good. but they're all days when the most avalanche problem places are okay. why don't you get an avalanche? somebody you never expected in your home? so we say in places that are not typical inferior, you said that something along the lines of a mistake with an avalanche worker should never happen. in fact, uh when it comes to your work, a mistake is life or death. is that not

a lot of pressure is your job dangerous? so the overall it is who we are. we are responsible for the safety of on gas for this kind of mistake. but an avalanche working it can be much more than that, especially when there are multiple mistakes. because if a worker gets cause or an avalanche, or there's an incident, usually it's down to a series of mistakes. the risk management is a key is it allows us to assess situations according to the danger level and to come up with an appropriate way to handle them. who is a professional, find himself in danger. that means he's made a number of mistakes. by the way, that's why i say it's wrong when professionals get into such situations, it's like if it was um, have you ever been in a situation where you see a dangerous area, but you can't reach it, you can't do anything about it. what do you do then? how do you handle that situation to that happens all the time? oh, the easiest thing you can do is restrict access to that area in the mountains on challenging

terrain. and it's not always possible to get to a place you want to reach in order to take a better look again to, to bring explosives for some other action. if that's the case, we just close of the area and keep away when you go. all right, let's go see what else we can find in the mountains. the absolutely beautiful up here, a little bit scary, but beautiful. so let's say that you find an area that an avalanche is likely and you need to release that energy. how do you go about doing that or try to most of these areas where identified a long time ago? and they have stationary systems installed, which allow us to trigger avalanches the remotely talking about areas that don't have such station or resistance. what we do is most often we set off and have

a launch. we send a patrol at to see once know campus still remains of the identify xbox with further action may be needed. and then we take it right here, here at the rosa hotel that you guys have. some is the best state of the art equipment for combating avalanches. what do you have? it's primarily a gas system running on a mixture of propane and oxygen. this is the shed that holds the equipment and it's linked to detonate has pumped it in spots with avalanches originate, uh, so to the system is controlled remotely from a safe distance. it can be operated even at night on a couple. so we can choose the exact moment we need down to the 2nd that makes this system different from other traditional tools such as explosives around 10 array which can only be used in good weather. with great visibility, our system works in any conditions at any time of day. so the other thing we rely on the compliments the system is explosive symbol. we use the binary type, the helpful in places that the gas pallet system can't reach wherever it's improved,

less effective. for some reason. we've gone through a number of different systems and they will have the strength and can be helpful in some situations. but we've settled on these 2 for the time being as i'll go to solutions. i mean, i guess systems and explosives. now i'm sure that no avalanche is the same. how do you know what methods and techniques to use against this avalanche as opposed to that avalanche per se? but we install station we systems where possible and choice the result. this if we have a gas of a launch control system in a certain spot, which that's what we use, they protect most of us loops. if we don't have a course of action will depend on the level of danger and on how necessary avalanche mitigation is. it may well be the case that it's not with it. let's look up. we may be able to just close off an area for a while, which is also part of the job and one of the most effective avalanche control techniques you can say we close off some areas, set off explosives in others,

but most of the work is done by all stationary systems, now a lot of your work is done at night. and how is it possible for you to control something as big as an avalanche in complete darkness? that's odd question to answer. we don't really control avalanches during us know full. i'll meet the early just to take measurements every hour, so we know exactly how much the smoke of it has grown. we know which way the wind is blowing and we can make assumptions about certain areas that should have enough smooth for our mitigation activities to be effective if it helps that we can do that remotely. also, we have snow grooming equipment operating at night when it's safe. the truck drivers provide us with valuable information about any slides that have occurred and this size, that helps us a lot. you know what? because the data we get from people on the ground is the most effective tool for ensuring safety. we know that you do an excellent job. you had rosa footer in controlling avalanches,

but we know that there are people will call them free riders if you will. they go off piece to specifically go to places where the slopes are not groomed. how often do they cause avalanches and how do you deal with them with a corporate has that does happen quite often. scheme of piece by default means that you'll own an avalanche problem slope. yeah, with all result we monitor the flight trigger avalanches, restrict access to certain areas and can take other steps. we don't have the same level of control outside designated skiing areas. after every snowfall free right as a rush to the slope like maniacs, i thought i often neglect safety rules and underestimate their abilities or strength. they crave a dreamland and excitement to a degree where it interferes with self preservation. yes, they do get caught in avalanches. thankfully, these are mostly small slides that aren't that dangerous and can't do much damage or a many avalanches like that, which mainly go on notice because nothing major happens. right?

it gets into one, takes himself out. that moves on lunch with us is that sometimes people without realizing it trigger avalanches that can't affect others. that's the control doesn't implement. all we can do is keep reminding people who go off paste the. they are responsible not just for their own safety, but also for the safety of others close to a year before getting that. they should make sure they've taken all the safety precautions to get the, the most spectacular defense with the most breathtaking views. it's amazing to watch what's going on in the heads of the off piece, the scares and snow borders when they're racing down the mountains galaxy. so we'll have is a professional snowboarder folk style and big air prize winner. i'm sure he has some answers, the

hello. hello alexi. how you doing? good. you too. cool. so i've seen the videos of what you do. it's breathtaking. all inspiring. absolutely. amazing. um, what is this for you? is this a hobby? is this a way of life? uh, talk to me about. what is this for you guys or whatnot? oh tony, one thing, see you'll snowboarding, m, as soon as you try to give it up, as long as becomes impulsively boring and stressful. when you realize you just can't go on without snowboarding, oh, this is the 1st, may even fundamental moment. people close around you emotions that you can't get anywhere else the other way. so many people, it's the adrenalin that tickles your senses and gives you so much power than what

people who are addicted to adrenalin news. so take me through this a little bit. you're out there. maybe each time it's different, you're going down because what's going through your mind, what kind of you mentioned to new emotions, but like what's actually going through your mind when you're actually out there on the course. this depends on weather conditions of bubble and wouldn't. it's also depends on the terrain of the stuff. there was some pretty sites sites where you can relax and just let yourself go. enjoy the ride and not worry about anything or sort of flag under a slides where you have to stay absolutely focused. 100 percent of the time for even 150 percent of the time to assess the risk, so not make any rush movies because any slight error might send you off a cliff will provoke an avalanche. mm hm. now you mentioned some of the dangers there. let's talk a little bit more about that. you have to admit it is really dangerous. what you do when you go to these extremes and you could be causing danger for other people. have you caused an avalanche for yourself? um or have you been in an avalanche? what's that like with the island?

is this month of all right. what i'd say by so regardless of how many years experience scale snowboarding you have, or how much of a pro you all. yeah, it would be ideal. never to get caught in a novel launch. a never have to save anyone from an avalanche to believe they will be perfect for the avalon is equipment to never be used ever or what but situations do a rep? i'm still going yeah, this season i got causing this more of a launch. i activation my app, i love the avalon is rolling down while i'm on the stairway. so the open ended up just fine. but if there was some unprepared people in my place, but as a child or teenager, or just a purse do not wait till they must have been pulled into the avalanche. and there's no telling how it could have ended for them. i've heard it been said that you can tell a free rider from a regular scare because they always have a backpack with them. they always have equipment with them. what is the one thing that you always have with you that you need to have when you're out there on your own? yeah, but that's what i say. the most essential thing is to try and save a because even if you don't have a shovel approval or an avalanche backpack with an ad bug,

which i'm trying to see but might still help the rest of the team find, you know, if they get their own time you stand a chance if you get caught in an envelope from buried under the snow and you don't have a truck and 0. so there's no way anyone can locate the let you know there's a really tiny chance of success. only if perhaps, as a knowledge rest easy on the avalon to smoothly pop out. even if you have just 8 inches of snow covering you know, and what have you. even if we're sounds at the top of your voice, it's smooth muscle school will sound the same time when babies inside this know, what do i do here? absolutely. everything happening on top. your head people will come right to you and talking to each other either won't. they won't have a sound, not even if you keep challenging for help police. now it's safe to say that the people who build the skied courses in on pieced activities they would like for you to stay on peace. but that's not going to happen. you are a free writer by trade. is there any way to make your job safer or what you do

safer in the future to being at present any time and also training on being professional avalon training in order to understand how it all works. how weather conditions affect the snow in terms of increasing or decreasing a child? so when our launch, they have to keep upgrading your knowledge and skills and it goes no 70 for free. my guides but will say for free, why does it do it for fun? yeah, i know of, you know, another thing you can do is ride in different places in different snow conditions and hit the slopes and experience. right. as we do and help you learn more about how to stay safe is the pricing. the researchers have to be prepared for a situation which means looking for bodies. and if they hear this sound, that means it's the right place to look the find out where the

to hi. thank you for taking the time to meet me out here. uh you have an incredibly important job. um, do you know how many lives you saved? ledgebrook of the item, you know, the indicator of quality. what for a service is not the number of people rescued from avalon. she has the number of people. no exclusions on file, so thank god we don't have to search for people and rescue them from avalon. shes so an avalanche happens so quickly. it's hard to remember what to do if you actually get into one. i guess the best way to survive and have lunch is to not get in one of the 1st place. oh yes. it's best to stay out of an avalanche. that's how you stay alive. you're. if you're swept away by an avalon ship, the only thing left to do is grab the strap of the air bags backpack,

and close your mouth to create a kind of chain, but in which you can breeze beside the big of the chain. but the best of the chances of survival are no longer the timeframe. yeah, i mean, made up of them. so if an avalanche happens, how do you know if someone is actually a victim? if someone's actually caught under the avalanche, especially if it happens of pieced beautiful intuitive way it also have, we need to take eye witness statements and you know, or if there are any. and we may have the 1st rescue is on the scene, conduct a sensor search for the for if, if there's a person with sensors in the avalon community, it's very important to get but would you please leave your trying to see what was on always there used to then there was a device called reco. we didn't know that any reads the reflect to itself, but it can also read phone ships. and if all these devices fail to help us, and when we, when we stand in the line and start probing through the avalon slide,

you know, this is an avalanche happens and i'm caught in one. so what do i need to do? you've touched on this a little bit already in order to survive. and maybe what do i need to not do. so my goal and the most important thing is to try to stay calm is go with what is doing at that point. if you've done everything you can do, then you'll only hope is your friends. the people who deal with the the vast majority of victims can't even move. that thing is going to, because the avalon sheets of this low as it moves and solidifies when it stops, what the snow turns into concrete. so there's nothing you can do and it was more of a just what we do ahead with your thoughts and hope that your friends will help you when you're well known to do what i like. consist of your breath, so as not to waste precious oxygen. basically that's all i've seen, you have different equipment that you can use to help find people in an avalanche from your experience. what's the best equipment that people can have?

the shovel, this poll that they have the beeper from your experience, what works best for all of these devices. an airbag backpacks have come a long way in the last 20 years, some. so in n t, i have a launch impact definitely increases your ability to stay on the service to also try and see, but it's extremely fluid is to go off paste without is group with appropriate a shovel in your backpacks and stuff and trusted friends here with that is, you don't go off piece with people you don't know. they might not know how to assemble the shovel. that's alone and find you on the old and smo with the trends save up to go. i think you do an excellent job in informing people what to do, what not to do. but if someone gets caught in an avalanche, they can't move. they can't be heard from under the snow. what are their chances of survival and for how long can they actually stay down there? which is sort of 80 percent of people coach in an avalon who are dug out in the 1st 10 minutes to live discipline and 40 but sent in the 1st 15 minutes. or so you get

a sense of how the jones's dropped. but of course, to the known cases where people have been in an avalon for several hours before and have been dug out and live to tell the tale. that's to read case. those are the lucky ones. i know i've heard that different countries have different rates of survival depending on the type of snow that is there. what type of snow do you have here in rosa which are and what are your chances of survival it and then avalanche here? you can also perform 1590 percent of the cases. i mean, we can talk about the surface of a launches, a company that is smooth, that is just folding and not bonded with the old snow. what so much falls try so that is what we're talking about most of the time. no, but i mean what they're all exceptionally is like this one we where we have to deal with avalon, she is that a much deeper on a massive scale model. so unusual rubric a photograph of them. so to summarize, if you have mountains and you have snow,

you have a potential avalon to danger, you have to be prepared for that. so you have to understand that one of the we've got them. it's another thing you might start. thank you very much for taking the time. i've learned a lot and i know a little bit more what to look out for a 2nd. the so how much time does somebody have to spend in the mountains here to become a professional in the avalanche or business park? because the general consensus is that it takes at least 5 v as in one place for you to learn the roads and begin to understand things that makes the will begin a level avalanche control specialist. and it takes a lot longer to become a good one to turn the idea. you should be learning all the time. also, we should, we haven't gone cold, uncle yosh, every now group in the he's been doing this for 30 years. and every year he learned something new and t shirts has knowledge with the younger generations. and we know

that it's dangerous. in fact, we just heard the boom of your job happening right now. but uh, is it your dream job to love what you do? the, the, some, it's a dream job. many people come to us believing that this is something romantic and beautiful, but actually, i don't think it's a dream job because you, there's a very heavy but, and the responsibility that if you take it seriously, it's quite hard, quite difficult. so i wanna just consider the fact that i'm in this place as my destiny. this faith brought me to my job and i've accepted it. but then i wouldn't let my children to do this work saturday during job or not. we really appreciate you doing what you do. thank you very much for showing us around. thanks. appreciate the

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