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move in a beat to stop the russian advance to solve the top stores. this our, on our, to international have to our website is all to come from war. i'm a day show on joe sure. you got the top of the expression from the the, the world of whistle blowing is not relegated solely to those individuals who stand up and say something. there are many, many others who should also be considered wisdom lowers. they're the attorneys,

the journalists, and the activists who work on the same issues who are out there for testing truth colors, protecting children advancing legislation and regulation, to encourage and protect the truth tellers and keeping the public informed. today will talk to one of them about an issue that is as in cities and dangerous as any domestic violence. i'm john to reaku. welcome to the whistle, blowers, the very goldstein is an attorney and educator, an expert witness, and a prolific officer on the issue of domestic violence. he's the co author of the book representing the domestic violence survivor, the co editor of the book, domestic violence, abuse in child custody, and the author of the book, scared to leave a freight to stay. he's been an instructor and supervisor in

a new york model better a program since 1999. he was an attorney representing the victims of domestic violence for 30 years. and the now provides workshops, judicial and other training regarding domestic violence, particularly related to custody issues. barry's new book called the quincy solution, stop domestic violence and save $500000000000.00. demonstrates how americans can dramatically reduce domestic violence, crime with proven practices. he has also been the research director for the stop abuse campaign that lasted for years. very goldstein, welcome to the show. thanks so much for joining us. nice to see john. the pleasure is online barry and i, i think the impression that that most of us have is that domestic abuse, domestic violence is a serious problem. and correct me if i'm wrong, but we're not just talking about one person meeting another person. we're talking about mental emotional, even sexual abuse as well. is that correct?

and how much of a national problem is this abuse? the success rate of this an important study pro cd c cool is a study for adverse job experiences and it demonstrates the arm of domestic violence of drug abuse is not the immediate physical injuries. it's moving with severe stress, the users caution and is norris on the actual level. we say to $2.00 every year to fall right. beds of use of limit on we're wanting to, to drive preventing women and children from reaching all their attention. and we're spending billions of dollars on the same plan for us and things of that sort of, i think i've always assumed very that this was something of

a secret or private problem in the united states. once in a while, somebody famous will be accused of domestic abuse and then it's in the news for a few days. but it seems that if it was something that we talked about more, that was more out in the open, then it would be easier to address and to perhaps prevent. how do we do that as a society? is this about legislation? is it about counseling or therapy, or is it about media coverage? like you told me, none of the counsel domestic violence is not cause why they do this or substance abuse. and or fortunately, maybe people still believe that which causes the courts to acquire approaches that don't do any good. oh, there it should be in your thousands of years. oh, sure. so i know over the world encouraging where our product page is indeed their

wives also that you know, so if i were belief, even though it was the change, there were still many of particularly men safety just gave you is acceptable right? research is clear. the accountability of monitoring or affective in changing users to gauge your. and unfortunately, costs are reluctant to use. the practice is the work. mm hm. are you detecting a change or, or have you detected a change over the years in a way, courts address this problem. our courts more enlightened now or are we in a position where, where we still have a lot of work to do with the courts. a show me what to do. all in the 1970s of domestic slabs 1st became a issue before that it was

a private matter as adventure. and at that time, the believe was the domestic lounge for a while. i've been to best buy substance abuse. and that would course to turn to the, to the fashionable, as if it were the export me. we now was on the stage with the chords she's doing the same page. and what happened now is when we 1st started to domestic mileage, starting to the message, the easier for visitors to it was easier to get the horses protect the words, show to support and show with the mystic rush. so standing we went down and then the users to give the weight overcome that was to go after custody. and the doing and the custody course fail to

recognize these tactics repeatedly, middle was into dog, watching movies. and what that means is it's for, for women to leave the users. and so the rate is going up from domestic bios, which is going through the roof. tell us a little bit about the laws in the united states relative to domestic violence. and the reason i ask is, i'm addicted to this, to this 19 seventies police show here in the united states called adam and 12. it ran for 7 years between 19691976. and so many times in this show, the police will go to a home to address an issue of a couple fighting. and invariably the husband has beaten the wife. she has a black eye or a bloody mouth or something. and the police say, we're sorry ma'am. there is nothing we can do because you're his wife,

they call it wife beating that they did back then and it wasn't a crime. so what's the situation now in the united states? i'm assuming this is a crime every where is it a crime that is actually prosecuted? has that helped it's, it's a crime. it does get prosecuted. but if you think about it, so what to do with the big though is really sure. and she knows if you what, sir, he's going to be afraid he's going to want to. she does nothing is going to keep her here. so usually at some point, she will for the jacks. and the problem is that she's not the 1st time you assume it, or it should be the 1st time that she gave it a variety. you wish your tactics but of course,

treated as if it's his 1st cry. and so they all use right in the industry, they don't want to have a record, you know, they don't want to create real meaningful conscious watch. right? show still now, the rest of the case without any accountability and what questions, what we should do. and you saw in, in the program that you're talking about, which look at see the rest of the city where you're really rusted ups or, oh, well what happens is usually the way the nothing to do anything to show when he's arrested at the cap, is it confirms that can help her so she doesn't want it anymore. but the legal system, they see that where you rested, they assume that the in for a couple shot the right actually don't be,

don't do anything else. and they usually are opportunities to change the search. the door community does that range success and that success has been based on a more severe consequences for research. there are the people most affected by domestic violence, must be children kind of person overcome the damage that's done when raised in an atmosphere of violence is society or are local governments equipped to help children? as well as adults fleeing violent situations? you're good question. we have a custody court judges who said on the transcript. oh, just cuz oh man, her mother doesn't mean we're a good shot boy and you know when she murdered the mother you're on the

trial at all. there's, well, there's 40 to 60 percent more likely to physical, your sexual use, the jar full when you never know the cases were judge said exactly that, said the child to have one projected visitation for the color and the father to try and even in the space of those tragedies the courts put in was, well, that's an exception and they don't, it doesn't for the ones that are needed, not just a goal more to your question. again, the east is leading starts. we could use that to change the strong and the wonderful ways to go. i asked the beautiful doctor working with the study. is there something we can do now?

to save, show were who have been exposed to multiple ways is that the driver and experience is good news is we can save these jo over these sure clips. so why don't see why it was successful, large wires, the officer approach toward shock personality for to do it. and that's what makes it so frustrated. barely one of the concerns that we hear from victims of domestic abuse is that the police and the courts often don't believe them. they're fearful about the divorce process. they're fearful about the child custody process. victims don't trust the protections that are supposed to be forwarded to them by protective orders, for example, or no contact orders. saying, you know, a piece of paper isn't going to protect someone from an a re spouse who happens to

have a gun. for example, in your experience, are these fears legitimate? and if so, what else can be done to protect them? of your major study in the see what was the short list, which you want to review, the domestic violence and knowledge of judges, lawyers, and invalid. and what they fail, it is uh sectionals do not have the specific domestic while reading that they need standards to focus on the miss. the district will come back for some for the science if you're doing easy theories. and these mistakes lead to recommendations and decisions that have or sure, for sure, studies demonstrate the goal is congested, trusted jesus, victor, we more or less than 2 percent of the time. wow. but the reason why she missed

that mothers do that the same as the fathers involved in contest, their custody or 16 times more likely to be delivered for supports. and that may be confusing because we're not saying well the 16 talks was roberts. what the study side to do was to test the cost of jesus, which are the only domestic violence cases in which the worst abusers go after custody, as a way to gain control and to, for us to model for me that it's, those are users who are $16.00, why are we to be delivered for words? and yet the court professionals have extreme skip. this is a or gives to watch. error very happened to you, the users are throwing up. i missed one of the reasons that the courts are good and

you won't. so walter, we are speaking with attorney speaker author an advocate for victims of domestic abuse, berry goldstein, berry stay right there with us. we are going to take a short break, but you tuesday with us. we have some very specific questions coming up. we'll be right back the. 2 2 2 the that the media and the big, the band list to go ahead. the disney will be quite a section on less. i'm not sure. but after the sugar, which if one wants to cancel

the somebody, even if i video are students to to go to check on board is showing that in addition here to move us to ship them to fax, the movie, a beautiful solution for us. what was in your list of all the so with this the welcome back to the whistle, blowers i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with berry. goldstein about his experience is advocating for victims of domestic abuse. very thanks again for joining us. good to have you vision. thank you. very one of the ongoing themes in divorce is where there has been physical abuse is that the victim of the abuse

often stops cooperating with authorities once the perpetrator of that abuse 6 custody of the children. you alluded to this a moment ago. why does that happen? what's the fear there? of the sort of the is what i was do a research about the original when tomorrow. this is the best practices that resulted in a dramatic reduction in domestic violence for i'm and especially more county, the average 5 to 60, the, all the sites i have several years ago with no verge in the district attorney. there is bill bill, i think he was the leader of quincy model. and he told me that sean victor was in history faces that were they were prosecuted, stop cooperating with a short question. and the problem is that we're not

a woman is eating rejection. is seeking to have their use are convicted for a strong yeah, there's a tree that is forming the child protecting the child was a bad and show to look at the adverse or city case. and that's why those which cooperated in quincy borrow. it didn't stop from a cheaper being really successful, because at that time it was a rare tax. it should be published and heard of a user research for others to see custody as a way to regain control. there are short for leave me think about that. they're not thinking about as movies, they just think that he is acting out or was the child actually keep getting these

things as well. have a big sort of order that comes to lead. and it takes away last chance for children . or for me to see why it's right, what's the record of the courts in situations like this? do abusers actually when custody of their children? did they get visitation with their children? are some states better than others? or are the differences between individual judges submit. it's just impossible to tell how it's going to play out. um, unfortunately, we do to watch some charges, but unfortunately, there are an exception on this. a recent started for one wire study which was in our study. and what we're finding is that the courts or severely so good in favor of usage, you know, way more research conserves all the possible charles, certain views,

the father characters bi claim. you know, you need me for this book or you may be 8 percent of the cases even though as we said before, boulders they deliver for support. less than 2 percent of the time. right. which means the majority of those cases, you're correct, you're getting all and they're getting it wrong because of the 6 barre, domestic violence is about control. in finance, full. so most of the money is on the side of the users. and the courts are not using their battles to feel they're not using a sin servers. what somebody else reports understand the cases. here's a gender bias and have difficult to think about it because of your job. you're judging gender bias, the just defensive video, retaliatory. oh she,

you're not sure. yeah. so you won't be a favor user the what system doesn't change the process to take a fresh look at the situation based on the research and call one bedroom. your arrangements on there are actually 3 garbage sponsored studies. the valuations in d v trusted cases. oh, don't worry. we're abused by the church over i just, they still use these practices and the percentage of the space are small to answer your question. there's no good stay at franklin, you know, we've come for, you know, there are some of the better was a course for your failing our children. i'm interested to hear about your most recent book to it's very provocatively titled the quincy solution,

stop domestic violence and save $500000000000.00. can you explain to us how, how a state, how a nation can save that kind of money where it comes to something like a domestic violence. the 1st thing is, we know, god forbid domestic violence because places right? we see chevy, your nashville, one of the nice, i used to work with best practices, dramatically reduced domestic violence. fine, richard, we all saw. and what they do is they take the best acquirement seriously. winds the orders of protection. they use a group of practices to make it easier for victims to we. they use a coordinated community response. fundamentally, they take domestic route service. hm. so i knew the rest or part of research.

what do i use showing all the important study from the academy on brain, which is okay, that's the united states into the executor. go. we use the $750000000000.00 a year on the was related to the choir. i see. right, right. we want to work with 1200000001 crime was and if you think about me, really sure makes your economic project to at that time the key to go. we were spending to actually dollars to round it to refuse window a should be the numbers, but sure. do 500000000000, ricky morgan and all domestic mileage to reduce so much of that.

definitely just the practices best practices the real world. yeah, absolutely. that's definitely frustrating. what can you tell us and you touched on this a moment ago, what can you tell us about some of these issues in other countries? the re, so i ask, is that here in the united states, we like to think that we're the best and the brightest that our way of doing things is always the best way. and for those of us who have lived in other countries around the world, we realize that that's not always true. what countries are doing this right? if any you said just a moment ago that there probably aren't any funny bit weeks isn't this true? you know, women were not was in college, we had the bottom it some more. i didn't have the number 59. there was a telemachus forever door, a man, right?

we're making the united states. last, i show the one probably be about 77 percent. it's interesting, i'm getting ready to take it for this next year. i'm going to go to iceland. originally the iceland is the best product free insurance or the route for the women. and i say it's really the store. it's a bad side on it and they tend to do what they're doing, any other k, all any other country they've been going to do best for women's issues for many years. and years or call weeks ago, the nice one went on strike, right? fuser tribes the tribune equally. so even the country still has

a ways to go in the united states. you use in gender bias. do you people that want to keep reading down, usually phase or i'm trying to, to superior privileges and you know that's or day to overcome. and yet we your we are going to see your interest in interior. why style? because we're limited with the we're not anymore managers, we went out from what they did contribute to our so sorry. well very goldstein, thank you so much for those insights and thanks for being with us. congratulations on the important work you're doing and thank you to our viewers for joining us. remember, literally, everyone has the human right to live in safety and to live free from violence and

abuse. society has a duty to recognize and to defend this right. domestic violence is not something that simply takes place behind closed doors, and the others can ignore. it's something that affects all of us. it affects all aspects of society. it affects our economy. and most importantly, it affects our children. as they're growing up, the only solution is to bring this taboo. it's the open destroyer. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time the. 2 the

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