government is so heavy handed with its taxation, none of that is being addressed and it's not clear if it ever will be addressed. the prime minister also said that this is a consultation that he's going to initiate right now, and it is hoping that it continues in the future. so more talking, i'm sure that's gonna solve a lot of problems. i read more about that right now. one line at all to you dot com for the meantime. thanks for joining us. we are back soon with more as the, the, the world of with the blowing is not relegated solely to those individuals who stand up and say something. there are many, many others who should also be considered wisdom lowers. they're the attorneys, the journalists, and the activists who work on the same issues who are out there for testing. truth tellers, protecting children advancing legislation and regulation to encourage and protect

the truth tellers and keeping the public informed. today will talk to one of them about an issue that is as in cities and dangerous as any domestic violence. i'm john to reaku. welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 very goldstein is an attorney and educator, an expert witness, and a prolific author on the issue of domestic violence. he's the co author of the book representing the domestic violence survivor, the co editor of the book, domestic violence, abuse in child custody. and the author of the book, scared to leave a freight to stay. he's been an instructor and supervisor in a new york model battery program since 1999. he was an attorney representing the victims of domestic violence for 30 years. and the now provides workshops,

judicial and other training regarding domestic violence, particularly related to custody issues. various new book called the quincy solution, stop domestic violence and save $500000000000.00. demonstrates how americans can dramatically reduce domestic violence, crime with proven practices. he has also been the research director for the stop abuse campaign that lasted for years. very goldstein, welcome to the show. thanks so much for joining us. a nice to see just the pleasures online barry and i, i think the impression that that most of us have is that domestic abuse, domestic violence is a serious problem. and correct me if i'm wrong, but we're not just talking about one person meeting another person. we're talking about mental emotional, even sexual abuse as well. is that correct? and how much of a national problem is this abuse? the success rate of this?

an important study for the cdc cool is a study forever is childhood experiences and it demonstrates the arm of domestic violence of drug abuse is not the immediate physical injuries. it's moving with severe stress the users calls and, and is norris on the actual level. we say to a $2.00 every year to trial, right? minutes of use of worth it on. we're wanting to prevent a women and children from reaching all their potential and we're spending billions of dollars on the same plan for virtual fax or i think i've always assumed very that this was something of a secret or private problem in the united states. once in a while, somebody famous will be accused of domestic abuse and then it's in the news for

a few days. but it seems that if it was something that we talked about more, that was more out in the open, then it would be easier to address and to perhaps prevent. how do we do that as a society? is this about legislation? is it about counseling or therapy, or is it about media coverage as well? i can tell you it's not about counseling or domestic violence does not cause planning to do this or substance abuse. and, or fortunately, maybe people still believe that which causes the courts to acquire approaches that don't do any good all their interest in your thousands of years. oh, sure side of the world i'm encouraging where our product page is indeed their wives also that you know, so if i were belief, even though was that they don't change,

there are still many of particularly the safety to see your is acceptable right. research is clear, the accountability and monitoring, or effect to in changing users to gauge your. and unfortunately, costs are reluctant to use. the practice is the work. mm hm. are you detecting a change or, or have you detected a change over the years in the way courts address this problem? our courts more enlightened now, or are we in a position where, where we still have a lot of work to do with the courts. it is only a while not to do all in the 1970s of domestic slabs. first became a issue before that it was a private matter as adventure. and at that time, the believe was the domestic lounge for

a while i've been to best buy substance abuse. and that would course to turn to been to fashioned as if it were the export me we now was on the stage 2 chords to do with the same page. and what happened now is when we 1st started to the stage, the easier for visitors to it was easier to get the horses protect the words or show to support and show with domestic rush, i'm sure steadily went down and then the users figured out the weight overcome that was to go after custody. and the doing and the custody course fail to recognize these tactics repeatedly minimize into the portion of use. and what that means is it's for,

for women to leave the users. and so the rate is going up. your phone, domestic violence, which is going through the room, tell us a little bit about the laws in the united states relative to domestic violence. and the reason i ask is, i'm addicted to this, to this 19 seventies police show here in the united states called adam and 12. it ran for 7 years between 19691976. and so many times in this show, the police will go to a home to address an issue of a couple fighting. and invariably the husband has beaten the wife. she has a black eye or a bloody mouth or something. and the police say, we're sorry ma'am. there is nothing we can do because you're his wife, they call it wife beating that they did back then and it wasn't a crime. so what's the situation now in the united states?

i'm assuming this is a crime every where is it a crime that is actually prosecuted? has that helped it's, it's a crime. it does get prosecuted. but if you think about it from what to do with the victim, is really sure. and she knows if she reports, he's going to be a brave, he's going to want to, when she does, nothing is going to keep her here. so usually it's all way she will for what it is a jacks. and the problem is that you should not the 1st time you assume that, or it should be the 1st time that you gauge in a variety, you wish your tactics but of course, treated as if it's his 1st cry. and so they all use right in the industry, they don't want to have a record, you know, they don't want to create a real meaningful conscious watch. right?

show still now the rest of the case without any accountability and what questions, what we should do and you saw in, in the program that you're talking about, which look at see the rest of the city where you're really rusted ups or, oh, well what happens is usually just way to do you do nothing to do anything to show when he's arrested and the captives it confirms the can to help her. so she doesn't want it anymore. but the legal system, they see that where you rested, they assume that the in for a couple shot the right actually don't be, don't do anything else. and they usually are opportunities to change the search

the, the work community is the grand success. and that success has been based on a more severe consequences for research. there are the people most affected by domestic violence must be children kind of person overcome the damage that's done when raised in an atmosphere of violence is society. or are local governments equipped to help children as well as adults fleeing violent situations? you're good question. we have a custody court judges who said on the transcript. oh, just cuz oh man her. so what were those are new york, the charlie? oh boy, and you will wish murder to mother you're on the trial as was folders or 40 to 60 percent more likely to physical, your sexual use,

the jar full when you know whether or not most cases were judge said exactly that shift the child to have a one projected visitation with the color and the father to try. and even in the space of those tragedies, the courts put in was, well, that's an exception and they don't, it doesn't for the ones that are needed. not just a goal more to your question. again, the story is leading starts, we could use that to change the strong and the wonderful ways. so when she bo, i asked beautiful doctor working with the study. is there something we can do now? to save, show were who have been exposed to multiple places that lives at the driver and

experience is good news is we can save these jo over these. sure clips. so why don't see why it was successful? large wires, the officer approach toward sharp custody for to be right. and that's what makes it so frustrated. very one of the concerns that we hear from victims of domestic abuse is that the police and the courts often don't believe them. they're fearful about the divorce process. they're fearful about the child custody process. victims don't trust the protections that are supposed to be forwarded to them by protective orders, for example, or no contact orders. saying, you know, a piece of paper isn't going to protect someone from an a re spouse who happens to have a gun, for example, in your experience with these fears, legitimate. and if so, what else can be done to protect them?

of your major study and we'll see what was the short list which you want to review, the domestic violence knowledge of judges, lawyers and about and what they fail. it is uh, sectionals do not have the specific domestic while reading that they need standards to focus on the miss the district, the big 4th and 4th, and the science if you're doing an easy theories and these mistakes read through recommendations and this isn't good or sure for sure, studies demonstrate the goal is to test the custody cases lead to more or less than 2 percent of the time while. but the reason why she missed that mothers do the same as the father is involved in contest. their custody

for 16 times more likely to be deliver for supports. and that may be confusing because we're not saying well the 16th was roberts. what the studies had to do with congested custody cases, which are mainly domestic violence cases in which the worst abusers go after custody, as a way to regain control and to, for us to model for me, that is, those are users who are 60 and dr. why are we to be delivered for works? and yet the court professionals have extreme, skip this is a or gives to watch error, very happy to verify that your views are throwing up. and that's part of the reason that the courts are good and you won't. so walter, we are speaking with attorney speaker author an advocate for victims of domestic

abuse, barry goldstein, berry stay right there with us. we are going to take a short break for you to stay with us. we have some very specific questions coming up. we'll be right back in. 2 2 the the,

the best experience for address the problem or the choice janey process before the so the most it keeps going, as i mentioned earlier, is up to steep requirements, not express here, submit item. so you may have not as a way, can we cods, no problem. you have no open up in the front and then for the test. and if i know for will be street the mention is pretty much performed by for the principals are more of a proof of those types of products that are going to have the most of the things that are available to try it implemented. so the

most is just the enough one to but it's almost a, it's a little bit more of a one. let's assume i'm good. what was just letting you know the welcome back to the whistle blowers and john terry uncle were speaking with barry goldstein about his experiences advocating for victims of domestic abuse. very thanks again for joining us. good to have you. thank you. thank you. very one of the ongoing themes in divorce is where there has been physical abuse is that the victim of the abuse often stops cooperating with authorities once the perpetrator of that abuse 6 custody of the children. you alluded to this a moment ago. why does that happen?

what's the fear there of the sort of bill is what i was doing, research about the original when she morrow is the best practices that resulted in a dramatic duction in domestic violence for him and especially more county, the average 5 to 60 the site had several years ago with number and the district attorney, there is bill bill and he was the leader of quincy model. and he told me that sean victor is in history faces that where they even prosecuted all stop cooperating with a short question. and the problem is that when it is eating rejection, is seeking to have their own user convicted for a strong. yeah,

the h that is forming the child is protecting the child is a bad and show what that does is adverse or custody case. and that's why those which cooperate and quincy model, it didn't stop for being rude, successful. because at that time it was a way of tax. it should be published in the user research for others. just see that a as a way to regain control, there are short, relieve me, think about that. they're not thinking about as movies. they just think that he is acting out or was the child actually keep getting these things as well as eviction of order that comes to lead. and it takes away last chance for children

to also let me see what's right. what's the record of the courts in situations like this? do abusers actually when custody of their children? do they get visitation with their children? are some states better than others? or are the differences between individual judges submit? it's just impossible to tell how it's going to play out. unfortunately, we do to rush on the charges, but unfortunately, there are an exception on different research studies. cool. one wire study, which was and i will call starting. and what we're finding is that the courts or severely so good in favor of usage, you know, way molar raises conserves all the possible charles searching reviews. and for other characters, bi claim, you know, you need me for this bill for you. 98 percent of the

cases, even though as we said before, boulders they deliver for supports you percent of the time, right? which means the majority of those cases, you're court, you're getting all and they're getting it wrong because it takes very domestic violence is about control in finance, full. so most of the money is on the side of the users. and the courts are not using their pounds to you. they're not using a syn servers. what somebody else reports understand the cases of the gender bias and have difficult to think about it because you're judging gender bias, the just defensive video. retaliatory al, she's not sure yet. so you won't be in favor of user data. what system doesn't seem to have

a process to take a fresh look at the situation based on the research and co one bedroom. your arrangements on there are actually re garbage sponsored studies. the valuations in d v tested cases. oh, don't worry, we're abused by the actual group. and yet they still use these practices and them getting a higher percentage of the space as well. to answer your question, there is no good. stay at franklin, you know, we've come for, you know, there are some of the better was a course for your failing our children. i'm interested to hear about your most recent book to it's very provocatively titled the quincy solution, stop domestic violence and save $500000000000.00. can you explain to us how, how a state, how

a nation can save that kind of money where it comes to something like a domestic violence. the 1st thing is, we know, god forbid domestic violence because places right? let's see in san diego and nashville, one of the communities i used to work with best practices that dramatically reduced domestic violence like we saw. and what they do is they take the best acquirement seriously lives, the orders of protection. basically, they use a group of practices to make it easier for victims to we. they use a coordinated community response. fundamentally, they take the best route service. mm hm. so i knew the story, part of research is showing all the important study from the academy on brand, which is okay, that sounds good in the united states,

as executor. go, reese, $750000000000.00 a year on the how it was related to the choir. i see. right. right. we was 200201 crime was. and if you think about really sure, makes your economic project to adapt to i the key to go. we were spending to actually dollars to round it with use windows should be the numbers, but try or do $500000000000.00, ricky morgan and all domestic mileage to reduce so much of that. definitely just the practices best practices that were affecting the room. wow. yeah. oh, really? yeah, that's definitely frustrating. what can you tell us and you touched on this

a moment ago, what can you tell us about some of these issues in other countries? the re, so i ask, is that here in the united states, we like to think that we're the best and the brightest that our way of doing things is always the best way. and for those of us who have lived in other countries around the world, we realize that that's not always true. what countries are doing this, right? if any you said just a moment ago that there probably aren't any funding that we should, there isn't district, you know, women were not, it was in college. we had the bottom to some people war and the number 59 a. there was a telemachus forever door. i'm in right. we are making the united states. when i saw,

i saw the probably be about 77 percent. it's interesting. i'm getting ready to take it for this next year. we're going to go to iceland originally were to iceland is the best product free insurance or the route for the women. i say the store is about 8500 and they tend to do what they're doing, any other k, all right, any other country they've been going to do best for drink, for women's issues for many years. and then here's our call weeks ago. the nice one went on strike, right? fuser tribes, the tribune equally. so even the country stove as a ways to go in the united states, you use in gender bias. do you want to

keep reading down usually phases or i'm trying to superior privileges and you know that's or day to overcome and yet we your we are with your interest in interior. why style? because we're limited with the we're not anymore managers. we went out for what they to contribute to our so sorry, well very goldstein, thank you so much for those insights and thanks for being with us. congratulations on the important work you're doing and thank you to our viewers for joining us. remember, literally, everyone has the human right to live in safety and to live free from violence and abuse. society has a duty to recognize and to defend this right. domestic violence is not something that simply takes place behind closed doors and that others can ignore. it's

something that affects all of us. it affects all aspects of society. it affects our economy. and most importantly it affects our children as they're growing up. the only solution is to bring this taboo is the open destroyer. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time the. 2 2 the, [000:00:00;00]

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