license to leave the pentagon, unable to defend the united states interest across the world. this reflects how the united states a so over, extended, already trying to prove its manhood once again and, and, and, and, and extended some gemini around the world. they can't do it. and, and for that matter, it, we, when i was at the pentagon, we have to, we had to have the ability to have to be able to fight a 2 front war. today. we can't even find a one from war. a lot of this is due to a lack of a low recruitment people who are not in shape and also lack of interest. and people are just sick and tired generally of endless wars. and they see that the, that the having these endless wars are also bringing on greater hardships on families and, and, and the dislocations and the existing facilities. we have, we have about $800.00 bases around the world, not to mention what we have, etc. and if you and that's why the defense budget is so ballooned today to what is

it $862000000000.00 and and yet it, everything is still decaying and we're and our readiness is not there. the fact that no one takes the american strength seriously any longer and are challenging. it really reflects this point. we're seeing this today and particularly in the middle east as well. that's the all davis alice, most stories coming away in about 30 minutes. i see again the

action or time food, welcome back to going underground will cost to go around the world from the middle east. on the 17000000000, kind of as review, size liberation of germany's genocide allows for its concentration camp in poland. part of the holocaust which killed around 6000000 jews, while governments and people around the world commemorate those victims. apparently nothing is being done to stop the alleged genocide being committed right now with u . k. u as a new weapons in the middle east against palestinians and gaza were over 25000 people have been killed, mostly women and children. this in a week ways. riley, bmw and yahoo rejected the creation of about a city and state something called unacceptable by un secretary general engineer gutierrez. joining me from tel aviv now is a former is really excessive member and incumbent chairman of these really our majority by large party, which advocates for the rights of fellow citizens in israel. thank you so much. i'm sorry for coming on. soon as i said today, the anniversary will be as, as, as liberation of our shipments style in stroup,

saving so many jews from german genocide. why is the u. s. u k? i'm to tack on gaza. you to tack on guys? i like ash with there's to fall in and then when in human history we had such a run it scene. yeah, i think this is the 1st time by the way that the victims of life. but it's the jewish people who have suffered so much wrong from racism and from the human a zation a are now and the national guard for justice is being charged was crimes of of, of jennifer. this is this is unbelievable. and so, so sad and so frustrating because it says that unfortunate the human beings do not know to them anything from, from history a. and this is really very negative, but not promising me to do. to commemorate this,

this is the important historical event you, you would expect that people would, would learn something, you know, at least the victims would learn something. but to, i'm not seeing any of this happening and where i seeing continuous world crimes drives that, that a lot by south africa and a lot of other states i see. and by the palestinians of wars are seen as, as grams, that you can take, it can be gold jello site. and then, and it's unbelievable all this of all this situation a you know, in the order of 1948 and then the palestinian neck about it. the whole is the biggest that are 1st thing in the city of the time. and 98 percent of its population were any exposed buses that is versus the different

parts of the less the went south out in guzman. now when i'm talking to now, the state instead of was that which i'm, i'm a citizen in is now a getting color families. you know, all of the 1st thing in families in java. we have our relatives in gusts and not just the set is getting them. we are not allowed to express our views against the killing of all our funding. well, i'm not allowed to raise a vote against the budget, but i'm not the voice against your general side. you are not the most against the war trance. no. the only legitimate voice in this setup is ro, out of this crazy, fascist who are asking for more blog or more destruction for, for throwing gun awesome one long guys though for more generalized guns it's unbelievable situation. yeah, we should say it's not all jews. clearly it's only because it's

a self proclaimed jewish state by a certain jewish lead is that we can give that out. sure. it's a comparison scores the well the, what is it like, i mean i understand you and your wife i the i, i want this is something on the i thought they i agree with. first of all, of course it's not the jewish be and of course it's not because of anything they've got to do with your use or do you do so much of that. we have a very small minority of jewish activists who are paying very high price because they are struggling for human rights to imagine the situation, those who are supporting just those, those who was struggling for it. well, if you've, those was struggling for human rights and this was wrapped out in serious danger. but of course no, of course not. then it's, it's, it's this and it's not all of the us and what, what, what is being done? you know, we are talking about the combination of watch the policy is of the is riley,

different governments has been leading the jewish, the people, not just in israel, but all over the world to be much more in danger because of this racist and specious. wallace's that just done a gunter division of zionism that districts have been the most safe place for google, and here it is being the most dangerous place, not just one of the tools inside of it, but also from the jewish people outside the state of israel. yeah, you refer to be brave the jewish people that express solidarity with the those that clearly who believe it is genocide, you know that nature, nation media reports that a israel is a free country is a democratic country and that's what marks it out just so different in the middle east. what is it like to be a palestinian living in this state of israel?

what's the phone? i wish it was. you know, you hear you, you'll be of this propaganda all the time. and as a citizen in this, in this part of the world, i would have loved it to be and my, my, my boy knew we established our political party trying to exchange it. this is also for the democracy annual in the the main agenda and my political party is trying to change is ro from a joyce state instead which is built on race and the rest of separation into a normal democracy. we call it this depth of all its citizens because we are struggling in the state of this right for equality and justice for all we are going to the extreme. imagine this irony, those who are struggling for peace, justice under equality for all our consider the day 3 months during war,

the rest your reward is being arrested. not just the end of all of the other boys is that that supports a few patients that wants to give gusta on the seat. that wants to keep joyce a pretty empty that wants to keep precious a patient. of course, other than just a minute. and it is so contradicted that any in this that you are just so full of contradiction that we are not allowed to express our views against the war. you know, all the senior leadership, what 20 percent of the population instead this the for sure. we have been trying to organize in march or a serious demonstration against the war since the 1st week of the war. we are being threatened by this that the police in every time that we go to bring the lessons for the most station that the or those in the police station is do use live bullets to prevent us from demonstrating as i was this day 4 hours me and another few

colleagues, that's where for my member of the can, has it been part of the senior leadership? we were in a legally did the there's any and that's the only station. and then we did that on the police station for hours because we wanted to and you have a small wrought this less than 50 people. get in one sign in, out of the gabriel english, asked me to stop the war. that's all. then hundreds of dollars, students and this value new verse that this would expose illegally from the colleges and universities because they are all the human sentence on the social media that they part of the that that our children are blooming also in god's law or stop the war or acquisition from the i'm going to stop you there because if you're comparing what's happening because unlike house rates, and if you look at the figures, your med saying 4 percent of guys are killed,

wounded or disappeared. that's equates to 13000000 americans being killed by bones . in the usa say your clear the don't violent protest is the issue. even the jews rose up in the warsaw ghetto to kill the captors and oppresses and when there was a great module or 2 and a peaceful palestinian protest in gaza. thousands were killed was to be honest in the 1st few weeks. and we will frankly defense ourselves because it, the situation was so dangerous that our expectation of lead this, of this part of the palestinian people that the explosion of the palestinian people is still a political program. one of the gun it is really government. and for all this, extreme rights ashes and israel, not just for the people cost,

but for all the palestinians and all over the historic good by this imagine that the situation was so dangerous and the at most viewed was so full, a full 4 full mentality of revenge on violence that we were expecting also. and now that exposure for 20 percent of the is riley citizens. we have, is there any we are getting this added citizenship. we were expecting that because we are not jewish. we might also be expecting back over 4 or 5 years in the 1948 wouldn't the next. so you are right. you are in it. and in, in the situation in a democratic society, you would stop. jermel side was all means that you can think of, i mean that was the was to get so, i mean, he wasn't genocide in south africa. mandela didn't even say it was, it was

a pod today. and mondale is supported and he's always supporting palestine through his life. the need to bomb restaurant, to end up archive. that was mandela strategy. but then i'm telling people to do this, that was the strategy of a lot of different national movements that where i need struggling against apartheid occupation and so on. we have chosen a different strategy. and our strategy is to try to build a better future for all by the way. this is a very special and very complicated situation. it's different. the or other set, look on your project, we are seeing over a month. our goal try on so was was just together. the 1st thing in question and the jewish question. now this is a new situation where the victims of the supplemental on your project are seeing their, their, the political goal in saving both sides. not just the 1st thing in

question because, but all of the options, all the solutions, if you can imagine, could be very violent and very and you could get, can bring much, would be um, i'll give it to him and tell us position was different that i've interviewed and nelson mandela before he died, his position was different and did see that as well. he didn't see the mass, legible, apricots, similarly political violence or swap. and he chose at the end, mondale to save his people, us and to bid the but the future or all citizens of south africa. they chose the democratic idea method. but because of the jail that was sent to me, i was trying to help stop you. the more from the chairman of these rarely our majority by life policy improvement class and member off of this break the

book about going underground. i'm still here with the chairman of these really our majority party important tonight. that members, somebody was shot at. somebody and pop when we were talking about the mondale is very different view about resistance to a bod side, and of course the warsaw ghetto and associates anniversary. and i should to ask you really, whether even a non violent embargo kind of known by with the m and e, one of ships, the ways rating link resulted in british and american as strikes on yemen. this week. is that the kind of scale of attack on any attempt to protest against what's happening and garza, as the americans have decided to take sides in this in, in this conflict and method, the support thing there is riley is in the world. crimes is they are sitting in

this riley, you know, what will work up in that, that taking the decisions that the americans are and they are very active or off, or does he have friends say a lot of the british, the british, most of the side of the, the support of days that is also after all, the discovery of all the is value lies regarding what type of the 7th of october and at the beginning was all the lines that was built on over and the adopted. there's really not, they've been on there to support this on the human at deck and gaza able when they did not know the truth, but now they know they know that the is that is where lying about what happened on the 7th of october that the, the that was brought out the context now they knew and they have decided to be part of this warcraft. so we kind of deal with them and then on the objective park.

unfortunately, everybody we are and is being a very high price for that. you know, imagine if people did learn something from the 2nd world war and did learn something from the jewish experience of the 2nd floor. and instead of all this destruction of all this getting all this blood shit, they would have invested the same resources of the same amounts of money and energies in building nothing just in, in, in, in destroying guzman. what would have happened was you that no, no, no, no, no busy get the different modalities. but unfortunately, so you can still be people learn very little out of the, any of the end of history including people from the on any historical experience in it before. and you would at least expect it more human

approach was all just a 1st thing in pain from people who are victims of, of, of, of, of a general. so i have to work victims or phrases in 4444 centuries. but now you, i've seen braces wallaces, war crimes. it's, well, you're seeing solidarity of goods from south africa and the global south clearly which shows that those to whom it was being done are indeed doing good this time. every oh, so very big any many very important sooner there at the move once that that gives us a way to be pulled by the way from jewish active. this is ro, i'm from different parts of the also any from jewish americans enjoys. you'll be as well as seeing them, and you can imagine how important is that, is it this will it that i think because at the it's it still keeps some meaning

for the values that we have been struggling for, for the kids who will be at the top is often being censored from mainstream circle, mainstream media are obviously in nature nations, i should say that the debunking of sexual crimes being committed on october, the 7th they headed babies and the sorts of stories still being repeated actually of un security council. even after being debunked, but then you've got honestly, is like, oh sure it's what does that make jo by blue she so neck us live on the land of the e u. i. they can co conspirators in genocide what they meant and it, or the, their support is what allowed is right to do. all this, you know, is really good. then tell them all. this was of the american british and eased report from the 1st week. they give it

a huge support for is to do whatever they wanted to they, you know, i remember what was the 1st important articles regarding it the intention of doing a genocide, grimes and what was written by a jewish is riley story. and these did, you know, in the states, april 1st or rods? that said, is a, it's telling the world that they are intending to do general? is that correct? why is the world not believing about the prime minister is think so if the difference minutes there is a so if the any military leadership are saying, so why is or let been having the they are saying they are intending to do this? well, i understand with respect to the, to by been so now given the others and as in schools as of african drawer,

it's all preparing a 2nd case that the international go to just as a gain stomach was a bite and etc deny it all. what about, again, with that 2nd world war reflection of the importance of joseph goebbels to it was campaign against the jews, the communist, and so on and nazi germany, how far is nathan nation media complicit in the genocide to cnn sky news, the bbc you media, and the way they've been reporting a day compress it as bob's add ons, in this international court of justice case against israel. i think i think at the beginning they were all misled by the early narrative. but i think later on this started see it things differently. and now they are trying to, to be a little bit more objective. it still, you know, the, the, i mean, the, they have a few problems. first of all is the following. anyway, i know for them to cover just uh and uh and then no objective way. they never saw

that there was a uh, on bbc that they're not allowed to send the drum listen to guys or because of his rarely, they said that what is right allows their jo. notice to do something. they're jealous of lead by the arms books now. and if, imagine the army would just use of it working on the x, the drawer and the lease, and that's what, what to do on what the rad, or what to do or where to go is they leave them to that the items they want them correct otherwise, the book that i don't think of it having worked with the bbc, that is, oh yeah, there's outpatient nation journalism kind of works and it's in and i have to say, but um and that's just get onto your personal story. then i understand you and your wives, relatives of being killed in the by u. s. u k. you weaponry? unfortunately a yeah. then as i told you know,

on the palestinian big families of jaffa, we have a relatives in, in gusting the all me, my wife, all of my friends in uh, 3 days ago i was and i went to visit my brother and he lives in an area of of the deck, if i need to know the deck and front me the last in uh in one of the buildings. safety of the family members in gus when i visited them here in joshua, they were having a discussion. as you know, when we come home or 8, when you want me, when we well new or visit didn't for condolences and things and the family of what we're discussing between them. sense if they are allowed to warm, if they're allowed to have it then because they lost the family and they want to

warm in that. and they were terrified that this valley police will come on that deck them in the in that then. so then the decided not to do it. but any, imagine this situation that's not in your people, your relative to the director of that do you, you can't do anything to them. you know, all of the people that stepping me now in the streets, in joshua as a lead. one of the want to do something for the front, maybe they can afford to help them economically that they can. and you, you can't imagine. what does that do do do, do to the people, psychologically, that your cousin, your brother is in a very serious need objectively you can help him. but because of the seat because of the race as well as is because of the you panel, you kind of and this i think, you know,

it's hard to explain this, but i think that the war is not just doing all this to her that we are seeing in gaza now 25000 and less than 5000 and it just disappeared. don't know what it was. i don't know that i'm not what i'm not. unfortunately probably they are not. i think this war is all this violence. crimes is killing the souls of, of, of, of hundreds of millions of people all over the subsidy as much as they need the people of government on the grounds, in the west bank in jerusalem or all of this attack on. the 1st thing is, insight is i know this is a huge amounts of pain and frustration. i don't know why all these states that

claim democracy and claim that they get about to human rights or the constitution talks about to human rights and only equality and justice. how are they not seen or, or, or, or, or, or this being and was destruction of how as they stood supporting is, i don't tell you this. i don't know. maybe none of maybe none of these people because women and children would have been killed without british american and european union weaponry, given the inability of palestinians in the khaki by territories to attack israel effectively. when will the time come to attack this all countries that are the sources of the weapons that are getting older women and children and i, i like i like, you know, it's, this is the hardest thing to do in such a situation. i think our role as, as political leaders,

is trying to keep some who was all this hard to do. wish it was all this frustration was all this and was all this very tempting the will to revenge a i think our, our main goal now is, is just to keep our humanity not to lose hope to attract, to think positively on it. but the future for was this hard situation. very complicated situation is we should not allow ourselves or our people as a, to become a victims of, of, of this instinct of, of, of revenge and, and violence. our role is this is due to destroyed this vicious circle of wireless and revenge and to try to build a better future for the i, i didn't leave revenge. i mean is it was strategy,

but now you're right. you are right. no, i know you don't with the task from i know you did not mean any adventure, of course i know, but seeing it and that i, i'm really and i want to be talking to frank with you. i'm telling you that this is nothing. this is nothing is an issue. this has not been easy mission a and the problem is that any, all of the is riley political discourse from all the different quality. and the imagine, you know, all that, that we are having this discussion was my, and the part the comrades. and it was my friends that tell me that some of you are talking about democracy for all the adjustments to equality who's, who's you know this was this one here that the think about before. now what, what is the other side? what?

well, not even one is riley political party went against the war crimes or asked for the stuff to the war or, or not because just the, some people. of course, i mean, i know i know well well in a very hard situation. tell me i was yada. thank you to that. so for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing in gaza will be back on monday with the retired us army. lieutenant colonel and professor who are fighting studies and the us army will call is john not go until then? you can keep in touch by will i social media if it's not sensitive in your country and i do i channel going on the warranty? and remo dot com to watch, and you and all the episodes, i'm going on the right, 2 months. the, [000:00:00;00]

the, [000:00:00;00] the all jury i calls for the un security council to convene it a big to force equal to implement the rulings handed down by the international court of justice. which us, i think the world has already realized the absurdity of israel. and the condemnation of israel at the hey, court has justified that in iran, local, say, the i c, j, a preliminary ruling on these role as a possible justice. but here's remain that these are all made march on with its destruction of gather edits backed by united states. going at the