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whose tellers and keeping the public informed. today will talk to one of them about an issue that is as in cities and dangerous as any domestic violence. i'm john to reaku. welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 theory goldstein is an attorney and educator, an expert witness, and a prolific author on the issue of domestic violence. he's the co author of the book representing the domestic violence survivor, the co editor of the book, domestic violence, abuse in child custody. and the author of the book, scared to leave a freight to stay. he's been an instructor and supervisor in a new york model better a program since 1999. he was an attorney representing the victims of domestic violence for 30 years. and he now provides workshops, judicial and other training regarding domestic violence,

particularly related to custody issues. barry's new book called the quincy solution, stop domestic violence and save $500000000000.00. demonstrates how americans can dramatically reduce domestic violence, crime with proven practices. he has also been the research director for the stop abuse campaign that lasted for years. very goldstein, welcome to the show. thanks so much for joining us. nice to see john. the pleasure is online barry and i, i think the impression that that most of us have is that domestic abuse, domestic violence is a serious problem. and correct me if i'm wrong. but we're not just talking about one person meeting another person. we're talking about mental emotional, even sexual abuse as well. is that correct? and how much of a national problem is this abuse? is this exactly right? well, this is an important study pro cd c cool is

a study for adverse childhood experiences and it demonstrates the arm of domestic violence of drug abuse is not the immediate physical injuries. it's when the severe stress the users call sion and is more or less on the actual level we say to show you dollars every year to trial, right? measure of use of worth it on. we're wanting to, to prevent a remaining shoulder from reaching all their potential and we're spending billions of dollars on the same plan for us and things of that sort. i think i've always assumed very that this was something of a secret or private problem in the united states. once in a while, somebody famous will be accused of domestic abuse. and then it's in the news for a few days. but it seems that if it was something that we talked about more,

that was more out in the open, then it would be easier to address and to perhaps prevent. how do we do that as a society? is this about legislation? is it about counseling or therapy, or is it about media coverage? no, i can tell you, is not canceled or domestic while it does not cause me to do this or substance abuse. i don't, fortunately, maybe people still believe that which causes the courts to quiet approaches that don't do any good. all a beer is in your thousands of years. oh, sure. so i know over the world encouraging where our page is indeed their wives also that you know, so if i were bullied, even though it was a big change, there were still many of particularly men said that this is your is acceptable

right? research is clear. the accountability of monitoring or effect to the change in your users to gauge your. and unfortunately, courts are reluctant to use the practice is the work. mm hm. are you detecting a change or, or have you detected a change over the years in the way courts address this problem? our courts more enlightened now, or are we in a position where, where we still have a lot of work to do with the courts. you should be able to not to do all in the 1970s of domestic class. first became a issue before that it was a private matter as adventure. and at that time, i believe was the domestic lounge for a while. i've been to best buy substance abuse and that would course to turn to

mental fashion as if they were the experts we now was on the stage with the chords to do with the same fans. and what happened now is when we 1st got interested domestic mileage, starting to the stage, the easier for victor destroyed. it was easier to get the horses protect the words, show to support and show with domestic rush. i'm sure every student we went down and then the users figured out the way to come that was to go after custody. and the doing and the custody course fail to recognize these tactics repeatedly, minimum wise into the portion of use. and what that means is it's for, for women to leave the users. and so the rate is going up

from domestic bios, which is going to really tell us a little bit about the laws in the united states relative to domestic violence. and the reason i ask is, i'm addicted to this, to this 19 seventies police show here in the united states called out of and 12, it ran for 7 years between 19691976. and so many times in this show, the police will go to a home to address an issue of a couple fighting. and invariably the husband has beaten the wife. she has a black eye or a bloody mouth or something. and the police say, we're sorry ma'am. there is nothing we can do because you're his wife, they call it and wife beating that they did back then and it wasn't a crime. so what's the situation now in the united states? i'm assuming this is a crime every where is it a crime that is actually prosecuted?

has that helped it's, it's a crime. it does get prosecuted. but if you think about it from point of view of the big go your, she's really sure. and she knows if you what sir, he's going to be great, he's going to want to, she does nothing is going to keep her here. so usually itself way she will for one or 2 is a jacks. and the problem is that you should not the 1st time you assume that or it should be the 1st time that you gauge in a variety, you wish of your tactics. but of course, treated as if it's his 1st cry. and should they all use radio to say they don't want to have a record? you know, they don't want to create a real meaningful conscious watch. right? show still now,

the rest of the case without any accountability and what questions, what we should do. and you saw in, in the program that you're talking about, which look at see the rest of the city where you're really rusted off. sorry. oh, well, what happens is usually the way the nothing to do anything to show when he's arrested and nothing happens. it confirms the canal or so she doesn't want it anymore. but to legal system, they see that where you rested, they assume that the in for a couple shot the right actually don't, they don't do anything else. and they usually are opportunities to change the search. the, the work community does that grand success and that success has been based on more

severe consequences for research, a barrier. the people most affected by domestic violence must be children kind of person overcome the damage that's done when raised in an atmosphere of violence is society, or are local governments equipped to help children? as well as adults fleeing violent situations? you're good question. when you have a custody court judges who said on the transcript, oh just cuz oh man. so what were those or maybe you were at the chart? oh boy, in each way, murder to mother you're on the trial was folders or 40 to 60 percent. more likely to physical, your sexual reviews, the jar, full, you know,

no cases were, should sit exactly that shift the child to have a one projected visitation for the father to try and even in the space of those tragedy's records for the website exception. and they don't, it doesn't for the forms that are needed. not just a good morning to your question. again, the story is leading starts. we could use that to change the saw, you know, wonderful ways to go. i asked beautiful doctors working with the study. is there something we can do now? to see show we're who has been exposed to multiple ways is lives at the stronger and experiences. good news is we can save each of these

sure clips. so why don't see why it was successful wides wires, the officer approach toward child custody for to do it. and that's what makes it jump, frustrated, barely one of the concerns that we hear from victims of domestic abuse is that the police and the courts often don't believe them. they're fearful about the divorce process. they're fearful about the child custody process. victims don't trust the protections that are supposed to be afforded to them by protective orders, for example, or no contact orders. saying, you know, a piece of paper isn't going to protect someone from an a re spouse who happens to have a gun. for example, in your experience or these fears, legitimate, and if so, what else can be done to protect them? all of your major study in the see what was the short list,

which you want to review, the domestic violence knowledge of judges, lawyers and a valid and what they found it is that the professionals do not know the specific domestic while i'm reading that the standards the focus on the miss, the district, the big force and force and the science if you're doing easy theories and these mistakes lead to recommendations or decisions good or sure or. so the studies demonstrate the goal is to test the customer jesus be to we more or less than 2 percent of the time while, but the reason why she missed the most do the same story. tell the smaller people, did you test their custody for 16 times?

more likely to make deliver forks. and that may be confusing because we're not saying well the 16 talks was the what the study set to do with contested custody cases. which when we domestic violence cases in which the worst abusers go after custody. as a way to regain control, to punish the model for re that it's those of users who are 60 and dr. why are we to be delivered for words? and yet the court professionals have extreme skip. this is a, a gives to a very happened to you, the users are showing up. i met for the reason that the courts are good and you won't so long. we are speaking with attorney speaker author an advocate for victims of domestic abuse. very goldstein, very stay right there with us. we are going to take

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uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you the welcome back to the whistle blowers, i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with berry. goldstein about his experience is advocating for victims of domestic abuse. very, thanks again for joining us. good to have you. thank you. thank you. very. one of the ongoing themes in divorce is where there has been physical abuse is that the victim of the abuse often stops cooperating with authorities. once the perpetrator of that abuse 6 custody of the children. you alluded to this a moment ago. why does that happen? what's the fear there is what i was doing research about originally when she morrow is the best practices

that resulted in a dramatic reduction in domestic violence environment, especially more county, the average 5 to 60 the site had several years ago with no birch. and the district attorney, there is bill bill and he was, we were the leader of 20 model. and he told me that sean victor was in history faces that were, they've been prosecuted all stopped cooperating with a short question. and the problem is that when it is eating rejection, is seeking to have their own user convicted for as far as yeah, the h that is forming the child is protecting the child was a bad and show what that does is it for

a city case and that's why the victims which cooperated in quincy borrow. it didn't stop cheaper being rude, successful, because at that time it was a way of taxes. today's used to be published in the user research fathers just see custody as a way to regain control. there's a partial for leave me and the court rules think about that. they're not thinking about as movies. they just think that he is acting out or was the trial actually they keep giving you these days as well as it makes it a victims to lead and it takes away last chance for children to also let me see what's right. what's the record of the courts in situations like this? do abusers actually when custody of their children?

do they get visitation with their children? are some states better than others? or are the differences between individual judges submit? it's just impossible to tell how it's going to play out. well, unfortunately we do to get worse on the charges, but unfortunately, there are an exception on this or we some started for one wire study which was and i will call study. and what we're finding is that the courts were severely so good in favor of usage when molar races conserves all the possible charles section views and for other characters by point. mm hm. for this bill, for you 98 percent of the cases even though as we said before, boulders to be delivered for supports where 62 percent of the time. right. which

means the majority of those cases you're going to get it all and they're getting it wrong. because it takes very domestic violence is about control, including finance, full. so most of the money is on the side of the users. and the courts are not using their bones to play, feel they're not using a sense or what somebody else supports, understand the cases. there is a gender bias and have difficult to think about it because you're judging gender bias, the just defensive video. retaliatory al, she's not sure, you know, mean? yeah. so you won't be in favor of users the what system doesn't seem to have a process to take a fresh look at the situation based on the research and call one bedroom.

your arrangements on there are actually 3 garbage sponsored studies. the valuations in d v trusted cases. oh really we're abused by the actual group. i just, they still use these practices and the percentage of the space are small. they ask you questions. there's no good stay at franklin, you know, we've come for, you know, there are some of the better was a course for your failing our children. i'm interested to hear about your most recent book to it's very provocatively titled the quincy solution, stop domestic violence and save $500000000000.00. can you explain to us how, how a state, how a nation can save that kind of money where it comes to something like a domestic violence? it should be the 1st thing is we know,

god forbid domestic violence because places right? when see in san diego or in nashville, one or communities, i used to work with best practices. i dramatically reduced emissions. why don't we all saw it? and what they do is they take the best acquirement seriously. winds the orders of protection, or they use a group of practices to make it easier for victims to we. they use a coordinated community response. fundamentally, they take domestic rout curious. mm hm. so, i knew the story for research. what do i use showing all the important study from the academy on brian, which is okay. that's uh the united states is a decade ago. we use the $750000000000.00

a year on the how it was related to the choir. i see. right, right. we was 200200 really one crime was. and if you think about really sure your economic chapel at that time the decade ago, we were spending to actually dollars to round it with use window or should be the numbers, but dryer to 500000000000. ricky morgan, in the old domestic mileage to reduce so much a bit better practices, best practices that are more effectively room. oh yeah. oh absolutely. that's. that's what's frustrating. what can you tell us and you touched on this a a moment ago. what can you tell us about some of these issues in other countries? the reason i ask is that here in the united states,

we like to think that we're the best and the brightest that our way of doing things is always the best way. busy and for those of us who have lived in other countries around the world, we realize that that's not always true. what countries are doing this right? if any you said just a moment ago that there probably aren't any funny bit which isn't this true. you know, women were not what she called me to the bottom to some people war. i didn't have the number 59 on the how much forever door i'm in. right. we are making farmers in the united states west. i saw the one probably be about 77 percent. it's interesting. i'm getting ready to take it for this next year. we're going to

go to iceland originally were to iceland is the best product free insurance or the route for the women. i say it's really the store is a bad side and they tend to do a lot better than any other k. all right, any other country they've been going to do best for him, for women's issues, for many years and years or call weeks ago. the nice one went on strike, right? you surcharge the tribune equally. so even the property still has a ways to go in the united states, you use the gender bias, the new people that want to keep women down mutually phase or i'm trying to, to superior privileges and you know, that's or,

or the day to overcome. and yet we your we are with your interest in interior lifestyle because we're really we're the, we're not dealing with the advantages we would have from what they to contribute to our society or barry goldstein. thank you so much for those insights. and thanks for being with us. congratulations on the important work you're doing. and thank you to our viewers for joining us. remember, literally, everyone has the human right to live in safety and to live free from violence and abuse. society has a duty to recognize and to defend this right. domestic violence is not something that simply takes place behind closed doors and that others can ignore. it's something that affects all of us. it affects all aspects of society. it affects our economy. and most importantly,

it affects our children as they're growing up. the only solution is to bring this type who is the open destroyer? thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time the. 2 2 2 2 the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground?

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