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democracy be destroyed in the process? and i'm joined by my usual guess george samuel way in budapest. he's a pod cast throughout the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals in america. yes, we have martin jay. he is an award winning journalist or gentleman cross type roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's take it off of georgia in budapest. we've had a few days to digest the court's decision to bring genocide charges against israel, sponsored by south africa. and there's been a lot of talk about the significance of it, particularly since a ceasefire was an actually called for. however, given the 6 stipulations, it's all it is essentially is a call for a ceasefire. and since we've had a few days to digest, that nothing has really changed in terms of israel's behavior and gaza. george, your initial thoughts? well, i think glad those are my initial thoughts that's been hold of no change in is well, what was striking was that within hours of the issue is of these provisional

measures. israel announced over the u. n. a. the claims against the owner of officials, employees collaborating with a mazda and jenny on october 7th, the these are a ledge from entered interviews slash pop, possibly torture of my spiders, or people that have left the gaza on that day. so that's that follow up as a very, um, isn't often mentioned if at all where they got this information from. this is very much in line with the eye witnesses of systematic rape. so we need to learn more about it. but george is absolutely right, insult to injury. now we're just going to cut all of the funding here. this adds to the intentionality of what these proceedings are all about. you know the intention to commit genocide and then you cut off the aid here. so another city is a significant thing for me is that the name of the court decided that it has

jurisdiction, which is extremely important in this case here. martin, your thoughts unless they were disappointed. in one case i, i said of their own, i thought it would be um searched and um is a deal breaker. so you can say it is a new break on many levels. it will have impact and around the world on how we little conflicts on how we judge even america, whether we believe that an international criminal code in itself. so let me specifically talk about his role. i'm not sure it will be a deal breaker. no. so it will that will be a huge amount of impact. i mean, the word genocide was specifically not used in the judgement unless the american will seize on that some. i think we can expect a veto. united nations security council has indicated coming days. and you know, well, there will be other students in the line to do it media away from this case to try and diffuse a try and put it far away as possible. you know, many media unless it's supposed to be motion to them. and then israel will be saying, you know, we need the, it'll take time, but this will post,

but i'm not. so it will in terms of israel's reputation around the world. and we talk about amazing trades. you know, how is this? we're going to actually continue trading with countries within this hangover. it's um do other countries now take the initiative of using this as a basis for more legal cases independently island, perhaps on the right bill that talked about this in the past. you know, countries like person who supplied these right is, was a minister could oh, we now anticipate in this, you know, there's a lot of questions thing. so i'm a big martin. i think that's the key here and go back to george here. the complicity, i think i think that all of us agree that is we obviously israel's is going to ignore this and you know, south africa is you know, a mouse is lawyer and gets up asked as anti submitting and the usual smears that doesn't impress anybody any more, but, you know, the u. k, the united states, you know, aiding and abetting, openly, eating a bathing and which is at least at the very least in directly countered and what

the court has demanded of israel. so, you know, the, the, the stench of genocide is, goes far afield in the united states is going to feel that and it's turning into domestic issue as well. i think it is a very big deal. i think it's a game changer. many, many ways the country in the 21st century that is being charged by the highest court in the world of genocide is israel. that in itself is a game changer. george. i agree. i think that that part of it is a game changer because the genocide convention came in to be precise in response to what was done to the jews in world war 2. and then for the israel then to be found. as i said, not my guilty of genesis the, so it was those enough that we just love it just said there is enough that going on and off what, what a stretch of a south africa has said that just to persuade us that israel needs to cease and

desist from genocide all acts a more, more serious that is really officials who make remarks that can be seen to be a, you know, an incendiary and triggering a genocide must be held to account. they must be funny. so those, those are indeed big deals. and what you, what we already have the, by the ministration. so that is, so can place it in the, in israel is actions that it's, is paying the price. i mean that you did it just, it just come get out of it. and the polls suggest that among young people of the there's a majority who believes that is what it is committing, genocide and the, the, by the ministration is, uh, is, is helping israel to do this. and this is quite x, x shorter, that these are vital supports as, as the very minimum biden is going to pay

a price, you know, no doubt. so, i mean, we'll talk about this later by little things. oh, well, we'll change the electronics. will it be, it'll be about trump. i don't show that's gonna work. because i bought this, there's a, there's a word for truly, you know, can you come in just a bit uh, turn around. is that what, what, what we wanna talk about that? let's just talk about truck. so i think it's, it is going to have at the very minimum, a major impact in the united states and all the more so george, that it's so many more things can happen between now and then. and it looks very more and more likely that the conflict is, looks, it will expand into, into 11 on against, has bought it, looking that way that the martin was president about that a few weeks ago. well, looking at the region, martin, it's very interesting. it's in a way when you look at the chords provisional rulings, a human it is being justified in its actions because it is a signature of the uh, the genocide convention. and it is doing everything and its power to stop it. and

that's, you know, that's what human is doing. it's taking the lead in many ways. i know that western either just terrace all this. again, i don't think the sticks anymore. i don't think people are going along with it, particularly when you can watch things in real time. so there's a lot of moving pieces here. but there's, there's some of the provisional decisions here, or the impact is going to with the shape all over the place. martin, yeah, and you can say, what's the media trying to do is to attempt to reduce the impacts, you know, as, as best they can, the reference to, to an are always interesting um i worked with and was quite a bit in level of independence, didn't refugee camps and they like to have the implicit, somehow in this hotel, this is preposterous abstract, preposterous. you know, i mean the, the link so they to the age range where these might have found, you know, um, is probably very, very tenuous of ridiculous. but the timing of it is interesting is that, you know, i'm the, i'm sorry, am i,

can you do you think we're ever going to be presented with fax? i mean, school brands, like fax, it meets the records for the interview, relates to they know the claim is a, that's all but is necessary. that's all this necessary. and all you have to do is look at the bbc coverage, you know, shamefully. they have an 8 minute report on this uh, new uh, advocation. let me run a couple of minutes on the, on the, on the, i should a ruling. so that gives you that gives you the, you know, i mean there's a lot of to, and crime from people in the chat about the, an on social meet is that gives you an idea also, you know, where we're going with this. but again, you know, it's interesting the, the, the impact on social media is extraordinary, and social media is laser. so this is what it means to be around the world. uh, really turning in and being thrown off about this and actually seeing the site insights for what they all um, but i have a feeling that some, you know, this is, this is we're gonna see a lot more of this and as well as digging itself deep uh, deep uh, deep into a whole lot of set at the beginning of the,

of the conflicts from what type of service i've written when this is over, i don't think the israel that we know today will exist. i think a new as well. we'll have to much of well, that's an interesting thought martin, because george how israel will change it's. it's a, it's, it's open right now because there's so many possibilities of this conflict the way it will move in one direction or another. but it will be held the relationship that the united states, as with israel and how the world sees that relationship, i think that's really key. george, it is key. and the problem is that thing israel is going to have is that it will not succeed in this enterprise. the whole end was which is to destroy commas. so therefore, this risk that killing this total destruction this, you know, which again, you know, it's in the i c, j rolling they, they missed all the terrible things that have been done. they won't be from the

dock, a cheese anything. and then it's hot to see how we can just sort of pretend that, well, let's try to get a fine. well, we'll just move on. go down to the next, the negotiation or, you know, well, we are fine. we'll have one a, b, b anymore. we'll have somebody else, and then you know, we'll, we'll have a next fees plan and the next, the that, the, that the, i think the george you right, that's going to be the next version that it, when you get rid of b, b, then and read it it's, it's a game changer, you know? no, it won't be. he'll be whatsoever. okay. it'll be just a ways to distract from what we have been watching the play out on the rocks. 10 seconds martin before we go to the break. i have to disagree. i think is be, be goes the thing though it generates a whole new debates, both in, within, as well and around the world as to what the steps israel could take before accepting the american plan off having a 2 state solution which is governed by, i don't see anybody and it is rarely leadership willing to accept that already gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to

a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on. so we'll need to stay with our to the, the, the, the beauty of the story, these couple of them, the board. that's what i can use valves originally, new spots. and i said you put a new one that should have yep, pets. the dental facility. they spin, yes. that would you like me just keep photos that they need vision isn't to look over the ground, the at the steel bundle. ski at the at the site. the goal of this new to the new. yeah. that is, that set it with a miss level and everything is a c assessment. ready?

this form with 0 is principal level to say in nearest the blue bush and you for that 80 percent of the apartments at that your so be $250.00 that you would say because you have to just cash the senior the welcome back to across tax bullhorn john peter, a little to remind you were discussing some real news. okay, george, i want to go to you kind of a variation on the theme or way we talked about with the, the genocide case against israel and establishment. and the establishment in the united states is a really rubbing up the bi engineer to the rail. donald trump's,

um presidential bid, but through law fair, not through the ballot box, it's all it is, it's lost there. and we have this defamation case became too absurd on the face of it. i don't want to go into the details. i don't want to waste our time on it. but, but you a, a punitive, a costs that is going to be made to make, making some pay. uh, that was an 80 to a $1000000.00 or something like that, or okay. i mean, and, you know, we went through this before, but this is just the beginning that this is the 1st domino to go. george. it is the matter because as we were discussing in the, in the 1st of the, the vitamin, those ratio is a historic lows. i mean it's, it's, it's, or is poll numbers. i just dig it up through the flow is it's worth it. and clearly it only has one strategy, which is let's make the selection of about donald trump,

preferably if we can just simply get rid of the middle 111 way or another. we can just take him off of the about. but what just, what do you mean present? let's easy was even better 10. so this was the oh and, and plus we have, nick, they have nikki haley in the, in the wings. right, exactly. i think you have the wings. so now you have this up simply upset x of upset this issue of this, you know, this, all this, the mentally deranged woman making up stories. she didn't, it was somebody has something or other happened. so 2 years ago she doesn't know when that happened jen and reported up a time or anything else. and now i think, you know me will be next week, but suddenly in, in the coming days, uh, new york state will deem that uh, the trump organization created a commit to fraud and will hit him with something like a $400000000.00 fine. again, with, with the goal of bankrupting and so he doesn't have any, any cash at all. and then of course we have all of the criminal cases go low as

a full criminal cases. that's a little being brought up. this is really a, quite, quite extraordinary heavies it's, it's never happened in any of a democratic state that you were you bringing in full list against the one person to take it with us. it was the leading political opponent. and that is, is it just a reflection of just how desperate the situation of the political establishment is the best formula? well, let's just simply call trump a fascist, and the races will be done with that and will win the election. they know that isn't gonna work. so if you really have to go into some rough stuff now, the rest of the yeah, i mean, and i think everything is on the table. i think everybody knows what i mean to. but, but martin and this is the most fundamentally anti democratic approach you could ever imagine. ok, they are they in the name of democracy, there's some burning democracy. i think there should be

a trial. i think there should be a jerry, it's called the american people and the ballot. that's where you have the trial in public with paper ballots. so blake, go ahead. mark, with the problem with the polls are indicating the which is that less fewer and fewer americans now have confidence in the whole system and what we actually build the formula in the recent post as much as 18 percent of of i just wouldn't bother to. and help to vote, and neither candidate might be too worried about that, but them for the bite and attempt to put all the rigs and my boss. and apparently, you know, all jubilance, the trump is not going to be the candidates. i find that old. but for them to do that, i think that puts them on a losing strategy because this form in the judge mentioned, you know, it's how do you sum it up. it's, we go to the pose and we don't fight for outcomes that we vote for a process flow to else. the other concepts, you know, and it stopped. it's going to be arguably within a re, trump,

and that wasn't the turning point. and america pumped it for me, but now we continue the same same. and a lot of people who look in effect for trump this time, i think will be swing voters who, what type of of bond and who, who may have traditional voted in the democratic kinds of things as a number of key states. what button is going to lose because you've lost the jewish load. he's lost the, the most in both. he's lost a young person's hubs, and now he thinks the way to do this is to put everything into a blank for it. so he's gone for the breakfast, you know, and he started off in south carolina where all incomplete waste installed and the 1st time around. but when we talk about getting gnostic, you know, um, on the trump side, he's got so much more a now to throw a bunch of data against hillary clinton and there's a whole list of things which we haven't got time to go to. but let's just go to the top one economy, you know, the applied by the no, no mix. i can't even say, you know, tell me how to, what is that what it means is, on paper we may be doing quite well with the economy. our lead to doing well?

yes, it depends on who yes. exam. friends of the country club of buying themselves new jack. so you know, a new list yet, but that hasn't trickled down the trickle down effect and his great economy hasn't worked on many, many americans humbled americans who don't understand too much about economics and politics. they decide about economics by gas pump prices and what they pay, the supermarket and biden's record on both of those is really bad. so he's going to real problems that you know. but again, trump, every time we come on the show here, and we talk about trump cases every single time without fail as popularity rises each time. and it's interesting, but now a, if you notice what his speech is, he is more and more referring now to the legal system to detect the district system in america. unless think that complaint, the more he gets hits, the more he takes to the podium and talks about how bad the legal system is and how

much need there was an america for reform as a district. i think that resonates more and more more of what i think those resonate. george is that if they can do this, the donald trump, i think this is the subliminal message that people get if they can do it to him. you know, with last year they can do it to anyone. i mean don't trump has the pocket. okay. very key pockets compared to the average person obviously. and, and i think this is what we so disturbing is that, you know, it's not even if you like trump or not, because i don't think that's part of the equation for the vast majority people we know who we is. that's what's most important. we know who we is. ok. he wasn't the dictator in office. he didn't do the things they did. they claimed that he will do the returns. but this, this is these look, all 3 of us are basically intelligent people. but am i look at these cases, george? i scratched my head. i don't understand how they, what they're getting at. and i think that is, that's what with people,

that's what people are taking on. this is just the con. i mean, this doesn't make any sense until it's got it. george sort of said money. it's about money. yeah. the last, right. and then when you think about this, if you go back to, let's say america 1984 in 1980. ringback all americans have a faith in the system they, they thought that, well, here we go to the f b i, we have a, c, i, a pentagon, they're all basically doing a good job. you know, they're all doing whatever they can in order to make america strong. advance a, a most successful now, people to believe that most seriously, the people don't believe that the ones who used to be supporters of the of america the american way of life, american governments, people who have lucy as likely both for reagan in 1984. now, believe that the system is reg, they believe that they prosecute the political opponents. that's a very dangerous situation to be in. and that's why i think trump is getting this

residency spots attacking the state. you know that they persecuting me. these are political hacks. well, coming off the bay and they want to send me to prison and, and people say, yeah, that's, that's it, that's who, that's what would the least f, b i is. and the problem that's a bite and is that, that's the cost of for the black. so who we, we can get 90 to 95 percent of the black vote and the, you know, give hispanics and we'll get 75 percent of them. and that's uh, formula we, we will be re elected that isn't gonna work because trump is eating into that black road because of the many blacks a. yeah, that's what we've been saying all these years. yeah. but what specifically wondering what's, what's really interesting it, and i'm glad you go back to 1984 george and it's a good benchmark. i mean, back in 1984, the republicans where the party of the rich, the democrats with a party of the port that's but that's very simplistic, but i think it holds water. but martin, the republican party represents before the power list. and that's the, the,

that's the attraction, the trump pass for them is that they have no power. and he has a lot of power and seeing if we can see what they're doing to him. we see an inversion here. and, and it's not about race, it's about class at the end of the day, martin, but a nice and know the full, the america have a significant amount of clout around the world, particularly in the middle east. and you know, to make the comparison today what i think though, to, as a beginning to recognize more and more but stupid comment but, but made just before it was elected about saudi arabia being a prostate. how about it's really punching him on the os now because you know, what's the difference for next 80 for a now is the middle is particularly companies less out, the rapier and russia together now control international gusts, pump prices, and that's really gonna bind to in, that's really going to hit him very hard because, you know, it is that people will use that as a benchmark, but coming back to jump to, i mean, we do know who trump is. you know, we, we, he's pretty, is pretty on

a mess here. i mean, he's really in your face, you know, you know how you operate, but i think i'm a lot of people in america a angry at this system and it's beginning to generate debates and took all levels about the system itself. and i think people may well if we, if we do the same same phone there again, people may well start lobbying and writing and chatting on social media about it's time that america had pops, something like, so you're paying proportional representation model. because this, this tooth to, to this po, to rise model, which i don't, i don't know. i don't know, mark them far more pessimistic george. i mean, if, if it ever got down to that kind of debate then the lead. so they say we don't need a lesson study, said that that's where they will go, they'll, they'll, they'll say, you know, it's because of the, the, the drum bins and the in the mag and they destroyed democracy. so we'll just coordinate him. a hillary clinton is queen. note that there's more likely going

that way. then changing the system that would actually enfranchised people. 30 seconds george. i think that's right. because um, you know, they're all sorts of things may happen in the, in the next 910 months. maybe even to prevent them election from taking place. you know, the big stream service that's possible. yeah, it's fine. okay. awesome. now i'm really when you think of me, what is bible really care about? the bible cares about all of these wars and all these interventions. that's what he's been about throughout his career. he doesn't care much about domestic policy. but when he comes to ukraine, this route, that's what he kids most passionately about. i think the public sense is that it doesn't, you know, it doesn't care about policy that he keeps the border open, you know, you know, and, you know, george, he gets his own, his own war is uniquely own more. yeah. man. okay, so he'll go down in the history books, cried gentleman, that's all the time we, i'm going to take my guess, americans and in budapest, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember about cycles the,

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