so it's making progress, but if you want to push it very strongly, i think some people are even beginning to be honest enough. for instance, there's starting to focus on visiting it that it to say it's a few crane. as long as things of war. yes, i agree with that. we are hearing some voices of caution, but i think for the most part, the american uh, and the ukrainian leadership for sure. a still a speaking in favor of continuing this conflict until and ukraine regains its former territories or as they like to put it on to put in is defeated. do you think either side believes that they can achieve that goal in objective terms? i mean, then logistical terms, do they have enough resources to give their regarding the ukrainian leadership? i wouldn't be able to to, i have to guess that the president savanski himself is basically doing what was you know, and that he has become drunk on his own rhetoric. as well as the flats of is that

he used to receive from the west. i think this has made it to range to mother to bit and disturbed his relationship to reality is true about everyone around him. i can't imagine that so the appropriate people in ukraine will also have a better grasp for free entities and he does, but they can't speak up yet right now concerning the best. my guess is that quite a few people in washington and in the us way. understand that they have to get out of this war before out of us can defeat. now, do they understand already how much they have to concede? again, i contents. one thing that i think is behind this ongoing talk about be that still continues supporting and so on. and so on about 20 flow or even $25.00 being madison. i do think it's potty and negotiating tactic to essentially and not shows of us inside weakness and montana sort of slip level against russia. basically say

once we are ready to be deal for the if the house to do, if we lose more as well as your bus even comes up with some of these paper, i'm sure, but now is a body and then ship it. when i read the western and the russian analysis of, of this cost like this, sometimes you get a sense that the russian ukraine and the grand supported by the west. they are not only fighting totally different wars, but they are sort of leave in very different centuries. that they use very different frames of reality for analyzing what's happening on the battlefield. and what's necessary to keep this war going because you mentioned bleeding adversary. this is something that just doesn't happen just in words. i mean, you need the resources unit strategy in order to do that. i wonder if your share this perception and if so, why do you think, what do you think explains this huge difference in assessment because after all,

military science is, is a science of the some of the generals who i'm making the decisions they're still, they shouldn't be basing it on some objective, facts and measures, in terms of the american leadership and especially, was quote, the bossing blogs to people's that public and government talk to think things positive other offices, and hopefully get it together somehow to find american foreign policy. i don't think they live in another century. i. i think they live in another dictate is actually both. they live from the 1990s. they have come to be explicit about the fact at least the smartest of them, that the moment of so called unilateralism has passed. but if you look at the way they actually behave, they don't display any change of behavior and that's, that makes them so rational, right? now, the logic point is, i think that, remember that the been, the last gave was started a lot of less than projections into you came out, for instance, uncle america, bank statements said things like that

a must be present. but if i put in the list in a different centrally, he lives in the past. i think that's a fundamental misunderstanding, and i wouldn't make this personal. i think that investment leadership actually lives very much for the present, especially the chinese leadership absolutely divine young's. and many other powers, those positions was actually the best for collective with the americans for their own reasons. and us where we essentially refusing to drones. i've tried to for a century, they do not want to make a transition to award in which the power to be of the deals and in which they really have to live from much greater number of subs, significant accidents. but they cannot control what opens for they would in part of explains this difference in perspectives, is the realist versus ideal as the framework because both china and russia practice reality to take this way out, you know, being rude to that actually in reality and northern what you want to have, but rather what you can practically a 2 man have

a question about that because it rushes military and diplomatic strategy over the centuries has been uh, favoring a circle position approach that is playing as number 2 or with the black fingers in and she has the home or from the strategy is that it doesn't produce spectacular results, but it's very mindful about accumulation and spending of their resources, both the manpower and the weaponry and essentially, you know, makes a bad on exhausting the adversary before. that's adversary exhaust fuel. do you think that's what's going on on the battlefield, that this very moment the long battle that the russia is digging? it's hill's ho hoping to exhaust, not only it's adversary across the border, but perhaps it's adversary across the ocean as well. i think it's clear that the person who's managing has managed to exhaust ukraine. now that isn't such

a big surprise if you're honest, because most of it is demographically, a must pick the country and not very much has stopped it as a stronger ami. also, the used surprising the little of it initially, but the other thing i think drops it right. that's also happening. and this is going back to how is the best response to it, is that russia is now also exhausting the west and you see it the ends of laser west from ons production. for example, the simply cannot catch up, although they have to clear that a several times and they're still declaring it. but this seems to be a fundamental problem. i think what's underneath on us. it says that the best doesn't have states that have strong enough, and also it has such a financial lives, virtual allies, the economy, that when it came to the crumbs to actually get stretched over, he's just going and makes things be experienced astonishing difficulties this pretty, that has been promising difficulties. let me add one thing. i think that would be a bad mistake to on the is to it the west eyes,

because that's coupon thing of view. the rest is finding a proxy of all here. it's a catastrophe. it will never, it's happened, it's send it cuz it's hard but, but it is for the best of ones. it probably for less. so for your opinions, but the americans have decided please. so let's not conclude that if the rest of the broad, in a large moving conflict with itself, it's quote, would be split, is what we act in the same way that i think would be going to probably don't know if it well, and hopefully there's a whole not have to learn about it, but the speaking about a traditional westchester strategy as far as i understand it, or at least as far as it's understood here in russia by military historians is that the west traditionally favors uh, an offensive, rather than defensive approach, favoring smashing blows, blitzkrieg, spectacular victories, but it's also quite costly in that it requires a lot of resources. it requires you to be in charge of this initiative constantly.

and if it's quite exhaustive for sure. um and uh, i wonder if uh, i wonder how do you understand the strategy that both the west and ukraine i'm now trying to execute on the battlefield 2 years into this confident because clearly the blips creek, the effort to stifle russell by section didn't work. what is the strategy that they are pursuing at this moment? but it seems to be a saying that often has finally to been fully acknowledged that the condo francisco, the summer, has not worked for legal craniums. the sort of an absorbed blitzkrieg scenario blitz creek with all the necessary resources. right. and it fits the so after that has been acknowledged. and i hope in here that the info, some sort of long hold of some defensive operations, digging themselves and much more. in fact, copying, so most of us and tactics, right. so i think the problem say is that the fall to exhausted for this to work.

this might have been violet strategy for your client if they have taken it from the beginning. but they have wasted so much different brands that was successful in terms of getting territory by last year and hockey for hackles around targets from august. even then they've raised that so much manpower and weapons and ammunition and so on, that they let them subst, right? so this, this shift now that be here about 2 defensive strategy. i think it's too late. i think that stephanie today. now speaking about exhaustion that you mentioned western strategist historically, as may have been quite instrumental with the allies when an asset, a geopolitical asset. turns into high ability, the americans usually have little qualms about withdrawing or abandoning it all together. i think it's happened in clear side and i've got this done in the rog before, to some extent in uh, syria. is it likely to happen in ukraine?

i think that it's likely to happen if the next president it might happen earlier if it's the, it's a sucking bus in advance for instance. um, but if the next president is donald trump, into the document behalf of my doesn't quite quickly. and if the next president is again to buy it, and for some reason i can't really imagine that i think he doesn't stand a chance now. and then i think about also happen. i think steven board is what i to about to do is just publish that piece and phone policy where it says the bone 3 months of a difference. the reason bye button isn't doing up now is because he still has the electrons that have put yes, the drop you claim this raises another are pretty dangerous, but those are because i think there is an additional security advantage to both russia in europe to keep this war going at a low to medium intensity because it keeps all the weapons that have been sent to ukraine from all over the west. in or around the battle felt like they are sort of

concentrated and they're being used for the war effort. but once a constraint is not there, there is a huge risk of illicit weapons trade. and i'm pretty sure that the russians uh, with the pretty vigilant uh, security the apparatus, uh, cognizant about that. right. but do you think your opinion leaders are equally aware of the of the blue rang the fact that the oldest weaponized ation of your brain may bring to their door steps. i don't know. i, i, they should be. and it's not on the weapons, right. let's don't forget that, but the rest is done in your brain and it has, as we say, normalized fall, right? very aggressive fall, right? there's a stream that militant of us very reluctant before the last it works. and once you're trained to be treated in some ways, essentially, like i've gotten this done a lot as follows with mambo street in that state. right. then the last to go back

and your finance will be angry. not only about the on the those that may be angry, this the so called our eyes who have abused. and i think this is what the rest has done to them. they've also still be angry before i show for very long time. i think they shouldn't have any of those and so frustrated as i've told the enemy eligible, but they're going to be right in groups of us. that's fine as well. professor more we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as 1st?

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welcome back to when to part with to the serial amar associate professor at the courts university in symbol. now, professor armoire, the most painful thing about this more for me at least, and i have them ukrainian heritage is that, is that really didn't have to happen, at least not for the direct participants. because i, i strongly believe that russia and ukraine could have settled their insecurities under interest in and negotiate a peaceful manner. there were all the objective preconditions for that. there were even talks in, in turkey, in the beginning of this conflict when everything was possible. and yet, uh, the war efforts continued because of police. i believe that to be the case because

of the interest of the west and sponsors of this, of this conflict. and this is what i want to ask you about. do you agree with that? and if so, what do you think is the primary objective of the west in this war hasn't been satisfied so far? i'm sorry to 3. i think the roots of the board really a good back to 2008. the infamous bucharest summit when both georgia and ukraine, both foot by the west indies and same position of the same one that you're going to be in natal. but not now, which of course expose them and made sense to that's for russia and phones that it's sort of spawn itself out. and by the time you go to the 201314 prizes, all of these became very if you would for ukraine them many long versus a smaller agreement apartments towards a virtual techs most definitely a basis for forgetting autos this peacefully. it was not only abandoned of a sabotage that's been going on and on. so i don't think anybody treatments to very

well. i have long come to the conclusion that the best estimate treated at west end . so you're cringing dealership, right? so then the nicholas headphones and, and the list and then turkey, it be now know that there was a very serious chance of endings of one of them. and that would have faced or spiritual crime. most of it. and it could easily have been done now by that the best to all of this. i think for 2 reasons. first of all, it would simply not give up on this idea of expanding natal, which in itself is an insane idea and ukrainian or try it was much better for the countries than engaging that's as far as promise. and the 2nd thing i think was a, was a long term jew, political strategy of getting rational down of taking up out. russia has recovered from the 90 ninety's. people in boston did not want to accept that, that sort of situation for verse douglas anomalous. usually russia isn't that week,

so the fact that it came back have to be faxed to them. and instead of integrating this reassertion of process of which they were born to repeat this, the right the rest need us are good sense. they come to do to this a beloved policy of trying to take was a down bodily using too much. that's to make it a much less significant power. honestly, as a straight estimate was a stronger in effect. i think it fits well into the american strategy that you have been describing, and one of your articles, you said that the america, the american leadership historically has had this unique ability to disturb piece due to, uh, it's an extraordinary concentration of economic and military capabilities. but my question to you is whether if can actually fide ward reward if push comes to shove, the united states has to face russia or china directly north via proxies. but

directly, do you think it would be able to stand as ground with its current level of military capacity with its current level of uh, searching your capacity and with all the other capabilities that it has, its, its disposal for. i have to speak to that. i would say uh if i bought it into my computer, so i was waiting on tests that because look the, the last 4 that americans have actually experienced in their own country. most of the american civil war and everything has, they have follow the rules. it's been an offshore balance, so they go to other places and break them. that's what they do. and usually they do it with an in the most mandatory superpower tools, that appointment. so that it's, i'm sorry to use this term, but usually the extra tool tucker shops, right. and the only thing that gets in the way, i sometimes get rid of the contents and sometimes meeting on a bus that is big enough to actually push them back, which is happening all the promotions. none of this, however, is as painful as

a large scale war against p. a competitors. the americans will have to clarify so near peter competitor. and i understand that in certain metrics, they can reason that that's the case. but if you really look at what most i can do, but if it's means by mountains rejecting a demonstration of the, it's a pure competitor. and so i, i, i would not try that out if, if of us but, but we don't know because my sense is that'd be, cannot rely on american bush and ality. i, st. american leadership is knowledge, very low intellectual quality. and again, i don't mean just as an insult, i mean it as a description. they, um, i extremely, i do, apologized they might do it there. so that's an talk tonight. it's a refuse to engage with the reality or support. i can be count on them understanding that such a big what essentially what, what would be self destructive for them, even if i don't know 5 athens, even with all those being used. i don't think they can count on that to,

to migrate from aggressive to say the 1st time or this is a very serious question because aaron guns coupled with uh, insurance. uh they, they do produce a very detrimental results. and you suggested that this declining american empire declining not only in terms of fits and military resources, but as you mentioned in terms of it's called native abilities. and i think we can see it on all levels included in presidential. it represents. and your challenge for the international system due to both it's of central size and it's somewhat or quite irrational behavior. how do you think this challenge should be or managed in order to on the one hand, minimize this disruptive, deliberately disruptive and saving care is potential or capacity of the united states. but on the other hand, to hopefully encourage washington to act in a more dishes in life affirming or progress affirming way,

ideally by stopped returns. i think the united states needs to be contained in detroit. this is ironic because the united states of course, sees itself as a country that contains and deterred its greatest adverse survey in peace. i'm a more or less piece of the soviet union until the ground. i seem to have long reach the stage of history. the other powerful states, those with nuclear weapons, have to contain deters united states and they will have to vote in the very blocked way precisely because the united states doesn't for act to sort of statements anymore. i think it has to be done very, very crudely as a 1st time during the cold war, but this time is the biggest problem. most of what i'm really convinced of this is the united states. that doesn't mean every single be fine. once the united states becomes a smaller and less aggressive power by the opposite. but right now, for the next, i don't know to k tools. what else? our biggest problem as a state is still not that states. the single biggest problem is this. think the

greatest potential to do an immense from to on of humanity. now taking advantage of you uh, being a historian, i do want to ask you is how much will a sofa gold question about history? because to some extent, the current, the american poster is a stance against history or against the very nature of humanity. and they're sort of in a very good and like way they're trying to freeze the moment because supposedly it's so beautiful for them. even though, i mean, if you talk to regular americans, i don't think they would actually agree with that the, that the assessment. but that's, you know, itself is a pre k remarkable. i believe that somebody, a nation, even the most powerful nation can stop the flow of history. um, you mentioned the soviet union and it's a, you know, it's treated with degrees and the pores in the west. but even the soviet union was based on the idea of development and utopia,

and it would just stop in development. but um, you know, the developments known to last, what do you think behind these drive to sort of put an ad to history and to freeze the historical development of the entire human race at a point that favors and suits the americans? do lots of google woods. i think america is actually a very good logical if you want. it's not just the country, it's a sort of civilization. right. and it's not aware of that, right? because for americans, they think i do all it is or the solve a school staff or maybe vote most career has knowledge. is it for state as well? do you want to find your logic or that'd be a book that's all laid down. indoctrination will be very open, so america's extremely audiological end is still in the set of values that do not function but any more and there's a conflict between these values and the rest or not the whole rest but, but the large part of the, of those other inhabitants of the planet by the rest of us and america,

solution to this is to impose itself and it's basically that's what's called privacy rights. that's why there was talk of american primacy. america is not yet ready. i. i see very, very little of an awareness of the fact that the united states can be prosperous and it can be sufficiently powerful under could pick hills on this new testament interest in a voice chat with others who are truly different. they don't see the word like that i, i'm sorry to put and supposedly, but american who needs see the board as a place that must be constantly of a shape not only to a politically that's a given, but even as you logically so that by changing the book they make it safe because they have a of life, and this mother then no longer work because the power is declining. and if they fight against this change, then you're all in great danger. i think that's where we all want us right. now you

mentioned the issue of values and some in russia, a tribute this american drive to, for his history to be loss of the say, crow, whether in the form of religion or in the form of traditional or collective values that you know and, and these increasing tools towards a very individualistic or i would say narcissistic. world view. and there's this idea that there's nothing above man that the ma'am can be fully in control of everything else. and i want to ask you as a historian, not as a person of the face or believe what was the historian when you look up the historical process and always continue to do you ever get the sense of the inexplicable of something that is perhaps beyond human control of some patterns that you know, inspire or look i can tell you, but i'm speaking from the 1st from doing the story was based as a roman catholic and but now i'm relapsed roman catholic,

but you never really stop being, but it's impossible. but i do have such a sense and i tell my students about it, and i can give you a very concrete example. more we learned about the cold war between say, 4789, and the last century. the more i try, my students is the more it takes to brian intervention for us to still be here. it was such a close one thing. it was not very managed. the events that at least $3.00 to $4.00, extremely dangerous defies. but it's basically america that didn't stop shooting nuclear weapons of each of it, right? you can talk to us now. um i how some of you to easily explain vibrant, didn't buy each other out or at least stop human civilization by phone. do you feel, you know, native and phrasing somebody goes left, but somehow this happened. i'll be going to be that lucky the next time if you keep tempting fate or whatever it is, i don't think this can be done for i,

but at some point, as a spaces we really but have to look it up on like well, i'm the, we have history for that, but history that i think the latest here is, has been true. the in the west, more as material or a products in the very consumers way rather than something that you know, needs also to be treated with the degree. all 5 really draw so dina sounds that you don't temper with it and you try to learn from it. but you don't try to bend that to your to and professor mart. this is all we have time for, but thank you very much for this inspiring conversation. at least towards the whole divine intervention with north and vanden this last time. thank you very much. thank you. and thank you for watching types of sharing guns on was a part of the, [000:00:00;00]

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