we bought a seat on the one hand, i agree. there are candidates who have declared that they have only one nationality . i am now off to verification. we discovered that one of the candidates holds to nationalities. that's a problem. as for the senegalese democratic party, they have also being suspected of corruption on behalf of the constitutional counsel. these old problems that have led to the postponement of elections and set a goal no set by the end. but this is, you know, it's not a good decision, whatever he might do, patient have respect to the electoral calendar. and let's us go to the polls and let the best man, when really i feel really sad. it's regrettable that 24 hours before the start of the campaign. the elections could be postponed. it's deplorable. oscar. i think he could have avoided that because would not in a chaotic situation either. whichever one might say he could have avoided it. we've already started the process with the regularities and all this time he hasn't said anything. so why not eliminate the candidates who may have dual nationalities? since that may be the cause i'm turning it on again. when i heard the news,

i was even a little surprised, like all of sent a goal. i think president mackie sideways the defender through a public defender of its institutions. we all know that he had already announced he will not be running. and that reassured us on the way that the mackie style has really defended the values of the republic and the institution since 2012. maybe if we wait a few hours, we will see whether or not the rules and laws of the country. but this decision, while that's all for this, is our drawing option, real time. see, but on going underground, i'm next. i won't be back of the the

i'm action or time. so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. it's been 24 hours since the latin american nation of el salvador in from a c i a do. he wasn't that squads and more recently been going healed. it's like just general election them. it's a 2 year state of emergency, but in another country, 2000 kilometers south. also the subject of us interference is we making headlines in recent weeks. not anymore for the dealing made with the c i a to transfer wiki leaks found a juliet assigned for torture in london for a state of emergency as low in order collapses. now, one of the biggest data countries to the i m f. equitable reliance on you and food aid is express support for genocide and gaza and he's transferring weapons to zalinski and ukraine by the usa. joining me now from equity to his capital key to be someone who was a front runner to be president of the south american country, famous for helping charles galloway and write about human evolution. doctor andre's arouse was 2023 ecuadorian vice presidential candidate,

and the 2021 presidential candidate. he was administer of knowledge and human talent in the government, even though exiled for my president of equitable rafael korea. he's also the form of director of the central bank of ecuador and current senior research fellow at the washington dc basting tank, the center for economic and policy research. thank you so much, dr. r. as for coming on the show. so you, you got the see a base thanks to present moreno than last. so be due to the presidency. and now they've been on a business been present about why the massive increase in crime in ecuador making headlines all around the world. the see i of course, has a history of drug dealing in that hemisphere in from is for what all of a north and so on. right. so this is a fight among, uh, cartels. uh, some that has, you know, loose uh and harder link said to the mexican cartels, a bn of and needs my fiance. and of course, the intelligence networks that tried to control those. but uh, we could uh, explain the violence that we haven't able to do to basically i am

a 1st 30. that meant shutting down schools. the government shut down the security ministry that justice ministry and of course gave the keys to the people that were in jail and of the prison system. and so then the big criminal gains took over the prison system and started creating basically what became the headquarters of the criminal, organized a groups. we also had the, the balance. what really happened during the last so government because his campaign was funded by an article link to a games that where that then blackmailed him into giving them access to the administrative to the police to which additional system. and of course the, then we had basically take over from within the state by these organized client groups. so this is, these are all the consequences that we're living in now and in that quarter. and the in of course, the strong states is required to overcome this. and of course is from the state

that is in direct contradiction to the i. m f was 30 policies. yeah, we would love to have a last, so ex president on he denies all those judges as you know, despite all the papers that have come to life is not good ad. but is it you give a sovereignty a way to washington and even the i m f doesn't help you out in return for giving away your sovereignty, getting the bass doing all the things washington once. no, let up in the stairs. he. yeah, definitely. i mean, the advantage of the package, right, we have to remember that the 1st day a master agreement was conceived as a bailout in exchange for turning assange to the united states. us and the british to and number just territory in the us and that korean embassy over there in london . and then uh, with now now there was an agreement that became a law approved by the us senate last year that called the usaa quarter strategic

partnership act, basically sets up a plan for us to influence inadequate. or that even involves the chairs the galapagos islands, where the us plans to have another base, not just the ca or intelligence base, but outright military position. now though in would be turning in his grave about that i think i remember discussing with julie and assigned in your embassy in uh in london about the pressure on korea who use of the central bank governor. because uh, the washington consensus meant that it would be good for the ecuadorian people if they sacrifice julian assange his life, it turns out they sacrifice really designed just life world is a february goal. k is coming up and still the people of equity will live in poverty, 25 percent in poverty, world food program, giving a to your people. yeah. and is increasing and in fact, poverty rates, because uh now they are starting to pauses are going to continue on the under the

government. they may have had just requested that the increase and the value added tax, which liked the sales tax. and right and, and increasing the gasoline prices. so the 30 most keep on going, the people are going to keep on suffering in the midst of violence and industries. so there is not enough funding a to invest in education, getting back kids to school. and of course, if that doesn't get fixed, uh they will get corrupted by their criminal gains. and i do want to get onto your solutions for the during people and people in the global south of course, but in the bowers now said he willing to accept the outcome of venezuela or elections, just echoing the state department. and now the issue that's really of global focus, especially where i'm speaking to you from in the me least plausible genocide, according to the will go by u. k. u s. you um does rel against guys the full support from the bow. a did that

to surprise you, or is that direct orders from washington nibble as in previously, particularly expressed a huge support for genocide as a in the middle east on the bar receive the day. is there any government during his campaign? he said so explicitly, as she said she already had agreements with is riley government while she was a candidate. so we think she's being very reciprocal. and in that matter, the ar party, the citizens revolution parties, and proposed in parliament a resolution condemning the genocidal acts of israel in, in dallas. i mean, guys are, and unfortunately then the a, the boss members of the, she's party, they did not support this resolution and a wasn't passed unfortunately. and, and so you have this situation as regards the middle east, you got a, this amount of debt. millions in ecuador,

lying on world food program aid. and now the vice president to president number veronica bed says israel wants to recruit 25000 ecuadorian presumably to so of for doing the conscription in israel, killing palestinians. i'm not sure. i mean, equitable would become a co conspirator, perhaps in genocide as for any world court ruling. as i think of that statement by the v p cross of several lines to the point that very recently the foreign ministry of headquarters issued a statement saying that those declarations shouldn't be taken into account. and that the negotiations between that quarter in israel are being done at the highest level and that the v b was also the ambassador of, according to these rules, should basically shut her mouth. so we don't know yet whether they're going to going to do it. um, we moved not then it would violate our constitution. yeah. but of course the united

states could uh, try and try and force the issue. yeah, you mean before we think of pause room uh, let alone equity to his position on the war in europe. the world will bank is not slamming equity, was economy as much as you'd expect with you, which is normal when a country does what the i may have tells it to do. it knows more than a $1000000000.00 your backings on the goal. s d r's as a method out of this situation with so many global south countries in, in africa in southeast asia find themselves what is in this the unless there is a special drawing, right. it's a type of global money issued by the, the art department that the i m f. unlike them as loans which come with conditionality with strings attached with geo political conditions as well as the, as the ours are created out of thin air and distributed to every country in the world. that's the name of the member and it has no strings attached. it's not dead

and can be used in any way that is having a country and can decide these were actually created in the late sixty's. and they've been basically forgotten for a long time. so now we want to revive them and use them for development purposes to invest and then the needs of people that need to overcome hunger and poverty that are and many, many people suffer is still around the world. yeah, but presumably with the geo political control of the i m f based in washington where you work when your other half is on as a, as a fellow at that institute. so they, they're probably not going to do that. are they? and that's why lots of countries actually are looking towards the brakes bank and, and the shaking i cooperation organization, i'm actually come to think of it. you have to admit, present a bow as a, a free trade agreement with china must be ringing some alarm bells in washington in the state department, but actually may be good for the ecuadorian people. yeah,

this is a, this is an issue that uh, has been off on the table. and from what we hear the, the us department of state allowed ab border to sign and f t a with, with china as part of their, you know, generous concessions. and to the degree of heart of sovereignty. and so will be a, a pending a decision the parliament hasn't get approved that, that are not enough votes for its approval. and, but definitely it would, it would imply a geo political move from traumatic border. and with that respect then there we'll see if uh, if it's allowed. on the other hand you've used the vs. the ours to do not have sort of a mess control over that. but they do require that us to support that because of the seats of power, the us hasn't damage. so yeah it's, it's difficult to get us approved, but it already happened to in the midst of the pen demik and also in the crisis in 2008, 2009. so we'll keep on pushing that agenda as well, and your party will be supporting the jet free trade to get with,

with china. we have a asked for re negotiations. we think the sectors that it will be strongly affected if the, if the treaty is passed as it was negotiated by law. so. so we think we still have a bit of time to fix some of the issues and then perhaps a as or did, but it's a, it's a different the initial that requires a lot of, uh, you know, detailed analysis. well, if i could or didn't really make much out of its queen pro, quote, with the torturing julie and the sun jiff. exactly. what about it's transfers now? is it being announced of weapons from ecuador to the united states, to then be pushed to ukraine to help zalinski the forces? some of them linked to neo nazis, kill russians in ukraine. that is a absolutely questionable we reject that type of move. we do not need to be

involved in any conflict around the world. the airport has always been to a country that stays away from, from trouble, especially in other continents. unfortunately now, and the law has been pressured by the united states to do is basically swap in, in weapons where equity or transfers the russian weapons due to ukraine in violation of agreements with russia and then exchange of the, okay, the refrain would transfer weapons to airport are now, these are not us transferred weapons. these are weapons that ukraine received from the us, but then you drain would give to direct or that's why in an interview that laura richardson, the head of the south, south. com, which is the part of the us military that is in charge of latin america basically. and doesn't want to answer questions about this weapon swapped. she's just being there as a, they had this outcome to try and her as are, as i'll stop, you bet. more from the form ecuadorian presidential candidate administered in the

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welcome back to going on the right. and i'm still here with full back with william presidential candidate, administer acknowledging human talent under the great government dr andres arouse. we were just talking about the fact that the equity was going to send weapons to the usa, aim that to western europe to kill russians bizarrely. laura richardson from southcom was there the other day. these weapons that the equity will be transport, or you said they were russian to make a make 17 helicopters, some sort of sam systems, a surface to air missile systems. just explained whether the ecuadorian people who became a consultant in the 1st place. and that how the united states thinks this is a great idea of maybe bypassing the fact that the republicans in washington clearly not funding the full on russia through ukraine. this is exactly what's

happening, it's a, it's a way to bypass us congressional support. it's also a way to bypass ecuadorian, parliamentary decisions and the people, as i put her as well. like i said, the ecuadorian people did not want to be involved in any war, eh, you know, around the world around the globe. this is not our issue. and unfortunately now, but, and due to this us pressure there involving us, the russian uh ambassadors. and indeed the has already said that this would be considered a hostile act. and we are very worried because russia is a, is a huge trade partner for, for airport, or many of our bananas roses and, and shrimp, and fish, and up in, in the russia and the russian federation. so the, we're worried that this may have implications for our economy and you know, the state where we are now very vulnerable to, to, to the violence that we're suffering. you don't think president nipple believes

that there are huge incentives, perhaps lessening of indebtedness to be. i may have, who knows, given that i understand that his family, it's been on a business, has links to russia. yeah, mean his grandfather, his father, made a lot of money to selling bananas, importing and fertilizers from russia for decades. and he himself has travelled the quite frequently to a drug show versus a time as a businessman and also as a parliamentarian. so it is very surprising that has been a, you know, pushed around by the us to have a diversified, a economic policy and into a political, the orientation. so we're very worried that he's been pushed in that direction. but then if you read the usaa everest with egypt asked that was passed by the us senate last year, you read the recent treaty of the statute of forces that basically give a total leeway to us, the military troops and their contractors to enter equity or to occupy the country

in any direction in any you know, in any way as they like, giving them full use of the ecuadorian. right? it radio electric spectrum, which basically means freedom to spite use the telecommunications of what are for their purposes for free and many other immunities and privileges that troops and their contractors will have in that quarter. it's extremely worst. and that's something that we've cove, there remains a bit of sovereignty in the, in the and noble as the sole. and that she does not approve this treaty that has been, unfortunately, already passed by the constitutional quarter by quarter, usually live in britain to see those already f bases. and we know what to snowden told us about how the 5 buys were bugging us over there. so uh, if uh, if, if we, i could do it hasn't got much in return for it's a case with us on just remind us because you are the central bank,

maybe you're thinking there's going to be bad for and career door a not morally, but financially this a need to protect international john lives and whistle blowing and, and the right to expose the war crimes of washington in iraq and elsewhere. just remind us about that deal of lorraine knows what, what actually happened. well, the, it was the lose lose deal, right? because a, in theory, the new liberals think that having an agreement with the m f is good because you may get a loan from the math. but really that alone comes with strings attached that implies basically destroying your government or state, your social services, your, your welfare institutions, education and health systems. so it was a lose lose single session or when more than or did that. we all knew that i wrote about that and i even weren't that such a deep austerity package. pro passed by the m f. and nick were starting in 2018. it

could not go through without social violence because you can't, you know, shut down children's schools, the major schools and then not expect a push back from society in general. and of course, uh there are consequences too. but that came off to the assigned deal. cuz i mean, i mean i'm joking by the sides because it is last deal in the appeal in london in the high court in february 2020th 21st. yeah. it happened immediately after, you know, i bought or turned into a sanction was more than a week. we like to think that you know, people in the world don't, don't play mcwhorter as a country, but the government, the government that was at the time, which was the name of the end of a trader that now was even pushed away from the united states. and there's now living in the index island by the way, it also has a, you know, been been accused of,

of corruption and it has been found partially guilty of that as well. and so yeah we, we blame what in we blamed the national government and the am a foster the policies for. ready that's happening, it was not a good deal to turn in essentially, if we expected, you know, some generous financial incentives or our money from, from the us or the i am if it was definitely a not, not a good deal. and we got the, the worst of both parts. i mean, what does he think he's doing, given the venezuela, the country with the largest known reserves of energy in the world, oil resources. he's not going to accept president the doors, the incumbent re election if he's elected to the venezuela elections this year. yeah, that makes no sense. i mean, the loved america in the whole world basically has shifted away from recognizing why though, and find some presidents in the, in the case of industry, i'm not into being realistic about working with the current. my daughter,

a government, i think that's what we have to do. it's logical, it's obvious we, we have to seek of ways of cooperation within our region. and this is also why action we had actually a good economic situation under the correct government. even though we misbehaved with regards to a science right in the, in the us terms because we had a diversified economic relationship because we had, yes, of course we had relations with it working on my patients with the us. well, we also had trade infrastructure deals, loans, the exports inputs from the breaks countries from the south american union. we wanted to build the sovereignty and south america with the one that sort of the, with the bank of the south. so that we could reduce degrees of independence in latin america, and that's what made us more solver and be more economically pressed for prosper as during the graves. i know president luna who's been on this show. he's now

president, again, i should take present carreras, also being on the show, be the want to rumble channel, but the engine team is new. us back to president, have a, is it? he's withdrawing from entry into bricks. is there other signs of that pro washington tied re emerging a game in your continent with the just the head of a trump presidency baths. i hope it's an isolated the case. i think it's a, you know, completely useless to having left the brakes. i mean, there was only a space to wayne, right. i mean, join the embrace was only adding 2 possibilities. so that people of argentina, uh, but uh, i guess, uh, may have was a from dimension list and inductor light in that aspect. and didn't want to upset the united states. now we see that i am f applauding. i mean these measures and the sacrifice of the origin junior people. and we are actually getting ready to receive

an influx of version 10 years. i will probably have to leave the country in the next couple of months on, under our standards. see now you favor digital currencies, which is quite controversial in nato nations where it's seen as pro surveillance. but you believe that the solver and central bank issued currency, so does the, the u. a where i'm so we can do from where they've just done the for us transaction with the china are actually in terms of digital currency would return some kind of sovereignty away. from the so called the private banking tokenize to currencies bank song. and i like that if you're a president or uh, in ecuador, in the next few years, who knows at or your allies of a private banks. yeah. well, unfortunately in echo or private banking system is a completely a, an old school. it is not in favor of innovation it as an inc, as

a huge incumbent. and it has a huge monopoly power. and that's we have recently seen the even had a president's banker when last, so was there. and what we need is a system that is offering, that is of course, the privacy it enabled that can replicate physical caution, its properties. and that does not allow for surveillance, and that doesn't allow for economic rebirth for the possibility of having this money. that is the link from the powers of the private banking system. now in equity or this is important, i put a central bank is not privately owned. it is not a constitutionally independent, it is part of the executive branch, and that is why it has more democratic accountability to which people that is not something that the rest of the central banks usually have around the world. and that is why in our model, the central bank, digital currency,

it was more appropriate for our development needs because it was linked to development and not to surveillance or to basically private, a banking problem. so different to the feds idea of any digital dollar, there was a snap election of go to the elected president. uh no, bo, if this kind of violence, this kind of economic collapse continues in your country. could we see another snap election of some kind? could raphael career return? unfortunately no, and the short term that's not protection is, is not possible because we have to complete that period. that last so less than finished it. but there will be an election next year, a year from now in february of 2025. and of course we intend for a quarter to add to be a our candidate will not contesting the election next year. well, we have a parent to retirement and neck, but over it has to be a man and a woman, whether it be the presidential or vice presidential candidate. and the orientation

is to have on file around the tickets and i will not be able to participate. so, and, but of course, career as it is now the forbidden to participate in the end, put her in the political system in former times. unless we have much additional decisions that we hope arrived promptly, especially from the united nations. the human rights commission from the inter american part of human rights and restore a good as capacity to, to be a candidates. and just finally, no bows, only being in power for a few months as he finished. so i think uh, i think the will have the support of the, the, the us. so the no armed forces and most of the media and in his re election bid very, she will try to, to run it again in february of 2025. and so it will be a tough selection, because now she a, he is not the chevy as extreme as a,

as less. so she's actually printing up some of lots of mistakes. and that will probably give him a certain advantage in the pals, doctor hundreds or i was thank you. a thank you so much attention. and that's it for the show will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch my last social media results and said in your country and what channel going underground tv on normal to accomplish and you know, the episodes of going undergrads he's had the hello and welcome to cross the full board. here we discussed some really

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