as talk suggesting that he doesn't think that he'll be out of a job any time soon. why? because nato is just a giant valve. so for washington's, for a military interest, he says in case there are any doubts left about it's and he's on that. and he's saying, why would trump, why give that up? one, i believe is dr. gardner's of the outcome of the election. so, you know, if these sites, the u. s will remain as staunch, unimportant, and they swallow because it is the security interest for the not the states, but maybe stilton birds shouldn't be heating the wisdom of the great, neo con oracle, the walrus of war, john bolton, according to both and who served his trump national security advisor, the former president, is totally serious about piecing out of the nato war collective. i think trump actually says what the, what comes to mind is a very stewed person once said to me, he does not have a filter between his brain and his mouth. and so when he, for example, threatens to get out of nato as he did during his 1st term,

it has done since then. i think people better believe it. look when bolton says it would be catastrophic for us national security. what that usually means is that washington wouldn't have a built in vehicle into which it could pile all of its european allies for a joy, ride down those and change highway periodically reaching into the back seat to smack anyone who swaps and in the process knocking some spare change loose to help find the whole adventure. so then what would your do all on its own without america at the wheel? i guess we would have to find a way to get along with russia. now that would be one heck of a hangover for europe to have to recover from having decimated all of its tre ties with russia to the detriment of its own independence. its industry and cost of living with washington's encouragement and ultimately to washington's benefit. one former trump defense adviser says if nato blows a part, it would be because the us overplayed its hand with rush to over you frame. and

everything just blew up in washington space. the bottom line is all of this is timothy facade like nonsense. nato is comatose food and didn't kill it. we killed it when we dragged it into this proxy war that made no sense and then gave a rush or the opportunity to demonstrate that it has the capacity to act like a great power. we below that we, we made a mistake after mistake after mistake, and that's why the next mistake is, let's escalate. the nato brain desk line is something that my call also said about nato. prior to the you create a conflict going red hot arguing that needle needed another focus besides russia. and while it looks like maybe that is on the verge of happening anyway, because everyone from biden to trump keeps talking about china. and you can bet that if nato is still around, it can expect to reset the gps and be dragged along so that bumpy ride. it is

cutting down from off in most go just in this hour roy associated will be taking over at the top. so joining but later on uh for any updates us week, i'll see you soon, the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn design. peter labelle here, we discussed some real news. us escalates to de escalate, goes to war to avoid war. in the meantime, european leaders buster about the need to stop bogie while protest mount and i'm joined by my usual guest, george samuel in budapest. he is a pod cast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and in merrill cash, we have martin j, he's an award winning journalist, a gentleman. crosstalk rules and the fact that music in germany time you want that

. i always appreciated credit, start out with george in budapest as we usually do. george, you a very interesting week rhetoric versus actions here, or we were constantly given the message that the binding ministration, most of deescalate tensions in the middle east or west asia as more more people call it. but actions are very different. did i see just enormous escalation? but the administration says it's just the opposite that can you square this article and if you can, you don't, you deserve a nobel prize. go ahead, george. well, i think i'm not going to get that nobel prize anytime soon. as yes i did, the united states always makes the same thing. we are desperate to avoid a war where absolutely desperate to avoid any kind of escalation. that is why we're launching this size. that's why we're launching bomb is in order to avoid a war and everything that he does, whether it's a heated here and then the lease,

or whether it's a in ukraine is did toward provocation. whether that's what it does it make claim that it's deescalate, the may claim that it's entirely defensive, but whatever is doing it is in order to provo, i'm if you, if you take the, uh, just to, you know, look at it from the other person. look at it, let's look at it from the perspective of iran. you know, they see a hostile state, a state that is repulsed uh to do it around for more than 40 years in a openly advocates the whole withdraw about that one was very wrong in to see was a policy of containment all the around. it sets of basis all around the around in order to achieve all of those things. any claims that he's being defensive about anything. that's all that the wrong does. in response, of course, every country will respond to such purposes. oh, the wrong is the address. so here we have to do something about this. so this is how the united states bags, and then it presents itself to the world as well. we're, we're, we're innocent when we're doing nothing. i mean it's, it's fairly aggressive. it's,

it's the same pattern all the time. and that's the law of unintended consequences because there is no real strategic goal. always. i can't figure that out. we know martin and we have a gen kirby the spokesperson for the national security council. he vehemently bmw and atlanta is correcting people all the time. but these, you know, the, the escalation going on in the middle east has nothing to do with god. i mean, they're, they're decoupled. they have nothing to do with each other. when the entire region is hollowing at the top of, it's a long saying, it is all about this. how much longer can, can the administration get away with this? is i suppose, as long as there's a pliant media, but the mean, the reality on the ground is radically different than it's being described in washington. where you said the media, me just the key here. you know, i mean, the american journalist, british journalist doing all they can to fix the news. i mean,

even when you look at the basis of these, these recent attacks by blood and with go back a few days or a week or so, it was reported all over the press that these, these american soldiers were killed in jordan. and i thought that's not true, they want to go to, you know, and they were actually killed on the other side of the border in syria where the americans and the british have a so called secret base at a time. and the problem with this is how does buy and sell out to the american public? how do we obviously say, well we, we have the legal occupation in syria, and we're trying the local tribes to, to carry on the fight against a sub a subs units. and we're also recruiting a number of al qaeda people who i'm quite happy to take out cash. how do you still, it's american, public and even on the american, even though the international law, or you don't have the right to defend yourself if you're occupying someone else's country, so there's, so there's one killed and you'll know of life. look at all these things escalate

your look, housing, how these things get taken out of control. it's really interesting. i was just spending with this time them at least how i have a perspective on how arabs think. hi, randy is think, and i can tell you for sure, they will not interpret these attacks by by them as a position of strength on his part. i see it quite the opposite. then why is the position of weakness? and i'll tell you why. because it's a bit like the 911 attacks being inspired by enlarge and because he saw from self in the summer of 1992, an american soldier being transfers d. so smaller of, of a mortgage issue being on the cover of newsweek incense and putting out tents and putting out his troops and all that in somalia. but also not intervening and dwanda been not and looked at that. and you realize that's how weak that sounds valuable america is a winful in the decade late at the bottom, the embassies in the ruby and doris alone, you remember is the same. so the story here, the radiance and the arabs will be looking at this and say you do all this for

$310.00 americans. that's amazing. you know, you'll have that vulnerable. and so this, this is how they will be seen and the cools of bind to them who keeps site here. and we won't piece it. we're booming for peace. it's, there is a limit to how, how far this costs can go. i mean with, with literally a cigarette paper away from bite and spring a c, and d stick. uh, a logo on the side of oh, so i on a little, you know, but what he's doing is to sell it to george. now is that when there are about $3000.00 us military personnel scattered throughout the region, at least that's official. but they're, they're being put into a sacrificial lamb position position. i mean, maybe us cannot defend them. they can not defend them at all. particularly if there is a united, the axis of the axis of resistance. if that they working in concert. those 3000 troops are sitting ducks george, while they are sitting dogs. but of course, um, then,

how does the united states respond? should they be attack? well, the united states then continues attacking is just a never ending cycle. um and again they, the goal s suppose is some sort of dominance that the united states wishes to impose on the lease, which is completely unrealistic. but when you look, let's in fact, consider the serious, what exactly is the united states doing in syria? i mean, they get embossed on this policy of over throwing brochure alongside by um, uh, president obama and it failed. um, why did was i saw that out? well, i think it, the lady like the fact that i saw both had good relations with the washer that you like. the fact us, i had good relations with iran, so they cited, we got to get rid of it. so that's failed. what's the policy now? while the policy and i was tempted to polish the syrian people, so no having gone along with the american project,

and therefore to deny them the oil to deny that was our agriculture. and just to continue as before. and then of course, when inevitably is america for so we don't know how many there are, you know, set to be about $900.00, probably much more than that, but then louis they, they will be a come under attack. and then of course, i'm going to come under it today, you know, and continue cause the nice as well we, we don't want to escalate, but we have to, uh, the bottom some more a. so we did, it continues, but it goes through all the peoples in the region of particularly iraq, iraq seized the united states as aggress or it just as they say, this is the united states, is determined to make life as hard as possible for us to remove i got to go back to the days of the plot is in the night, the sixties and seventies. and therefore, we're, you know, we are entitled to do everything we can to resist and the after that, that's the re, somebody that has these, uh, uh,

local proxy forces throughout the middle east. because that the, that the resist the, the resist a power that is as arrested in trying to was the wrong. and we should point out here is that, you know, unlike with western media, is saying that these are not all tightly coordinated and controlled by around these, like they may take a note of what is a said any to them. but they, what that there is essentially independent actors here. you know, you know, we can add insult to injury. it'd be lighted. states is still helping the people of a rack even couldn't, they've been asked to leave. they have us troops out, vacate the country, and then the us turned around and blackmailed and say, well, you know, if you want us to, we will take your, your, for in reserves like this is turning into a habit. i think you gentlemen have noticed here, essentially like mailing their way to stay inside the country, which of course, you know, after everything's been sudden, been done for a rack by the united states and its allies. that can only get worse. the situation

can only get more inflamed martin. yeah. that relationship of, of a black man and a victim in a still come syndrome scenario in iraq is only going to get worse. because what we've noticed. another thing this has been picked up a tool by the west is the more the america hits, those probably rang emissions interact, the more strengths that gets to isis. and the regular license is actually coming back in iraq. and in just the last few days, it's, we're engine to see the regular iraqi army divisions have been attacked by cis. so that's also a point of leverage which a generic and so using you know, your director the so you want us to leave. but you nice leave and you're going to have a big problem with the ice just to get on your. yeah, but we have to point us looking forward before 2003 before 2003. there was no isis inner rock and they only came as result to be illegal, occupation invasion, occupation rapidly running out of pro time for this block. george, is it fair to say that the united states has this fighting israel's enemies in the

region? right? it is just an, a one part of a, a military operation to go after israel's enemies. this is what of the task that the by ministration is accepted. george, i think is fair because um, there is no in fairfield of the uh, the rationale for that. um, because basically what, what is the problem that the united states have with the wrong? well, iran is a little bit, israel plated the smoke like area around in israel are at the local go ahead and the united states, you know, for every single politician in dc is constantly railing a ranting and raving about the wrong it was that what, what is it that you got to get there. i bought it. what's, what's your problem with their um, you'll know and they are they wrong? well, because it doesn't like israel and that's good. that's the positive results then it is, well, don't charge you. i mean, it's really the end of it. exactly. i'm and we'll finish off this bart with the with martin here and we, i what's the number here?

uh, 17600000000. that's what the us house speaker mike johnson was a standalone, a standalone vote for israel. okay, no, no other conditions why i r s not, not border security, just stand alone and the world sees us in the air. a world sees this is that skewing the genocide going on and god's at last for 30 seconds before we go to the break. you'll see the point now i want to make, and george sort of touched on the scene a is that space real is really the central, the problem here as well as allies of the central problem. and when are you? george mentioned. what is what all american troops doing? and so it's often forgotten that not only are they running the comes, their legal comes to train the local tribes to site a sudden such a lines malicious and even the right. and i'll make cuz we should never forget geranium, it has a lot of installations, non 0. but the 2nd thing, which is more important is the stealing oil and missile america does. if it doesn't

get cheaper around the world, it just steals it. mix it. so you have this buffer, if you, well, what it does to is it deprives wealth from, from, we have this plenty of oil in the world that it deprives the syrian government about ways that people are going is going to, is how's going across the board to answer right gentlemen, have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our to the

the the welcome back to the prospect bullhorn design. peter the bill. to remind you were discussing some real news. all right, george, let me throw it to you. um. changing gears a little bit year in hungry, hungry was uh the, the subject of uh, you black mail over the last uh, few new cycles here. um, victor owed about an finally agreed to a compromise and probably the best deal he could get. uh 50000000000 euros will be um, allocated to ukraine. some of it direct assistance,

other loan guarantees which i don't think will ever be paid back. and but meanwhile, meanwhile, in the same building in brussels where this great historic vote of unity for ukraine, a lot of cow dung was of a thrown at the doors and windows of that building here by farmers and farmers representing farmers all across europe. so here we have a very distress, distressed group of people, the, the, the, the, of the foundation of so many of these countries identity their agriculture, their farmers, their traditions. and he, you decided, no, ukraine is more important. george, it is quite remarkable. and an orb of himself said, the officer, this meeting is if everyone in brussels is talking of war that's, that's the it lists them mentality and we'll see this throughout europe. so in any

in, in the u. k, where we have the, the top uh, army person. uh so patrick, solve this thing. we need to bring back military conscription. uh because we need to. uh, it's not ready. cost and then uh, barge, i'm sure a lot of, you know, you know, um, uh x 10 or whatever they're called or more than happy they know, jump into a military and if i did, it just seems so low unless i get immigrants to do it. sorry for the internet and the other, and then you have a bar, as johnson said, yeah, yeah, yeah, we need conscription, you know, corporal johnson reporting for duty. and then you have um a we macro also saying, you know, we, whatever we do, we kind of a lot of booting. so when you have the been general bar, is it not general, you know, defense minister bars, this story is in germany was as will are, is uh, you know, you know, almost sometime within the next 5 years. now this is, this is, that's also where you're at, but somehow,

well with russia is coming within the next few years where they get this fantasy from, you know, we, we, we simply don't know. i think we do know it all comes from washington. they're just repeating what washington has to, you know, what you're, both of your opinions of georgia is kind of everything, but, you know, we have martin here, he's from the u. k. a, i'm hungry, a european. okay. okay. all right, good. well, i don't want to get into identity politics on cross it out to us. thing we need to do. um, uh, but you know, this does come from washington. i don't think anyone really has an appetite for war, particularly just after what's been going on. and ukraine, but it, for me, and the most important thing is it shows its priorities and it's ideologically driven. i mean, you know, the most basic, one of the most basic things you need is food. okay. we have farmers, european farmers for the most part, are very, very efficient. they're very good at what they do. and at every single turn we have

a ruling class in the u. it just wants the stuff, these people out there, backward, their retrograde, they're conservative, they're religious and their cows are starting all the time. okay. i mean, good, really. so you know, this is an extraordinary moment and there's just so much this. um, i think festival is a couple of points. so i wanted to make about some is we should never forget the fund moves across europe, take more than half of the into the budget every single year. and then, and they rely on that bunch of, they rely on a subsidy and they'll, they comp make ends meet, they come make a decent profit and they're starting to panic. must on to worry, concurrent to the politicians, both on a member state level and on an e u level. they're also starting to panic because they borrowed and borrowed and they're realizing that all this is catching up with them. and they haven't got the means to put themselves on the road. very few just have any this way. aust. where did you get this $50000000000.00 for 2 years from wasn't kicking around popping up

those live on the, on the land store and europe and commission. it wasn't in a volt in new york in central bank in frankfort. they bought it from the market and they keep on board unless this tool and it is just talk, comes from a couple of things. first of all, the media, unless in london and watching what towns in the next 6 months, ukraine is going to have more defeats. now, how do we manipulate that? how do we capitalize on that? how do we show that was let's move edges and ukraine to russian forces? well, we actually use that same footage to sex up the story and scare people into believing this narrative of the russians are coming. now it's most of we know it's nonsense, but what's it all about? it's really all about money page. it's really all about scaring people into, designed to do. we have a real problem coming on a, on a, on an international level. a boat is being threatened, and this is how we can actually distract people away from the financial crisis. is that we can actually install this idea that we need bigger armies. we need prescription of the, okay. it's hilarious. we're going back to 19 fifties. an old that is linked to

actually increasing our defense budgets and this is what is all about. so what about increase defense spending? i mean, trouble do i happy with this to see a lot of european countries looking at this, but that's what's coming on. the horizon on a considerable increase. one thing about 5 or 10 percent, i'm talking about double. this is what europe is really preparing for. in my view, it's a, it's a, it's a scale talk to you because they are tactic. but george, you know, beat me, the 2 pillars of the promise of the e. u was a security and prosperity. well, they haven't been delivering on either for a very long time. and i, you know, and martin just that, and i can't let it go. you know, we have to defend our borders, but not against the legal immigration. it's like the, i mean, it just so absurd. you know, the longer you talk about it, the more the absurdity of it all becomes evident. i'm sorry. jump in george. yeah, that is. that's exactly right, i mean they don't do anything until to defend the boat as and that's precisely what

the europeans i'm most concerned about in the country. opposite country. they are extraordinary. they're really good stuff about this. are you controlled flow of mind, rose? and this is something that the e, u leadership, kids know nothing about, you know? so when, when you listen to who still up on the line and michelle and background shoals and the rest, what do they talk about? they talk about you crate it, they will read it will, shouldn't you've been addressing the problem because of your own people better than the that's it's all about your brain that, that's the only thing you know, what was the bumper line, you know, deliver so state of the union and the goal, the european, follow them again, an ac with the american style and associated with the web page annually voted. and who voted for her. i'm sorry, because that they who, who lived as a member states here. and then when, when you, when you mention about the funds, is that as absolutely right, i mean here, here are these people who have very, very small margins. they can barely survive and you have a policy is

a leaky. you have been driven by make the door making their lives as hard as possible, whether it's the up. so the environmental regulations, you know, oh, you must think he was pesticides. you must set aside 20 percent of your land for bio that i said the to, you know, you go to your own me and make sure that your, your cause of the fall to uh, you know, got cut back when you meet production. it's, it is, it is a very full stop. all the thoughts from is, and the problem is know this and video and that's why they make their feelings. well, i mean very significant of that or by, off to his, you know, talking to in brussels, went outside and talk to the farm. is this idea of these the, these are, might be believe these are people who i today, i have some sensible notions about what should happen in europe, but not the european leadership. and it's a, it's, but i didn't go through absolute disaster no more. and prior to that, the con, 5 and in brussels, um uh,

in georgia that i talked about it on our bar podcasts. bentley is leaked article from the f t and who knows where it comes from, but you know that meeting and then hungry would face the sanctions. essentially blackmail possibly have its voting rights denied to it. so here's is, you know, the most of them, apparently the most advanced, the democratic process that known to mankind, and they're trying to subvert democracy. while the while there's a funding, a lost foreign war going into debt and destroying their farmers. yeah, i, i guess, belief, i mean, when i read it from the system i, i could, couldn't quite believe what i was reading, you know, this, the idea that the issue is, well, 1st of all, a democratic party, it is in the toilets. if anything, it's empty democratic, it was brought to balance. it seems like it's kind of like the mafia. you know, you know mr. ebony got kind of a nice country here. we'd be a pity something would happen to it. yeah. yeah. i almost as though they are offering a protection racket with all the funds they pump into it and that right,

it could be turned off any money, you know, but going back to what happens, you know, 50000000000 years. think about it. that's not a lot of money. i mean, it's over 4 years and it's over 4 years. yeah, the 12 and i've been in a year and by my estimation to buy my own research and investigations i've done, at least half of these cash or equipment military equipment is being diverted if it is military kids. if i do this and it's actually for salaries, and i might use mine for government ministry, salary is i don't know to anybody. does anybody in brussels actually think that the, the launch of that money is going to get to government salaries. you know, we know it isn't we know, and the people who go to that know is, and so what is the real story here? is it that we really believe ukraine can win the war? and it's only just a question of time. i think we've moved on from that number 2 of i think that the narrative now in brussels is we need to keep this dead body alive. we need to keep it resolved. the rest of the day to them plugged in with all these choose, we have to keep. yeah. but,

and just but it's just that it's not going to do that. it's not going to do that. and i'm sorry, but george is a money laundering operation. this is, you know, and you, and i discussed this and argued about this for ever since this art of this, the special military operation. but i think we both are, all 3 of us are in agreements. this may be the use last chance that will give them a longer uh, a chunk of change. okay. and you know, it pays off the leads in, in ukraine and then meet with us. there's some arms that are purchased from europe, primarily america. and you know, all the other serve it. yeah, n g o stuff. i mean, this is just an on the bus. you know, i'm saying it may be, it will be the last one. we don't know, but george is of the opinion and that he can been by your law they. they're never going to give up on this project. go ahead, george. no, i really don't. i think that they all did tell them and to keep this uh, well going um for as long as i can. uh, but you know, through weekend russia to inflict some kind of a strategic defeat on russia and to keep in was in united states. and so we have,

you ever go out to your, up, you have this leadership that has no, all the pieces because if any legitimacy all the then continuing this, a scam on the right above russia, we, we, we have to do it because the pollutants is a threat to us. so where are we going to use a b o we go to do all this way? ukraine now is we have to do it because we on that's on the chopping block, you know, where, you know, it's got a big appetite and he's going to do this all up. okay. but we, i think we can end on this note here is that i, i think we, we are all in agreement and our viewers that the european leadership should be more fearful of pitch forks than of russian tanks. at least at this point that are and i want to thank my guess in merrill cash and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember prospect rules the,

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