on any violations of the international law, we have and was installing it. on friday, washington struck more than 85 sites in iraq and syria killing of these 34 people. the attacks killed both civilian and state personnel according to your bracky or 4 inches, despite the fact that the us claims that was targeting a rainy and process following the strikes. offensive guns spokeswoman referred to rack as a valuable park that we've been very clear in terms of what we're, the groups that we're targeting, and the capabilities that we're targeting, that are associated with the i r g c. and i ran in the back proxies who are facilitating and conducting attacks on us forces. and that that is our focus. obviously, when it comes to the iraqis, iraqi security forces me iraqi government, iraq is, are valued. partner continue to work closely with that rack on counterterrorism. efforts and i'll just leave it at that the us as a temp they action and response to the that's a 3 american soldiers in a drawing attacked along the syrian jordanian. busy her in late january washington,

initially claimed it gave baghdad warning and a tap was on the way. but late to walked down to fax, a notification came after the campaign. we did inform the united government prior to the strikes securing as for this specific response on friday, there was not a pre notification. we informed the iraqis immediately after the strikes occurred. but that says, washington is 1st narrative is entre done to create the perception that its actions when not illegal at all. the american side deliberately deceived and falsified the facts by announcing prior coordination to commit this regression, which is a false claim and misleading international public opinion. and disavowing legal responsibility for this crime, in accordance with all international laws. earlier westberg to independent politicians odd, almost

a lobby. he's asked the risk between washington and the middle east grows wider with every show of force. the women and children. dad do have the names of their dates of the, of their actual bodies, civilly. and so i live in close to the ve the bases and they were definitely not accurate in their attacks. whatever they are saying. now unfortunately, we cannot take any american uh, community of k, as a fax or at face value at depth. it could be a lying and they are mentally losing friends by the day. the by the minute it's, i would say they, uh, they made a mess of things in the middle east as starting from guys, the syria, the ceiling, the oil, and syria. they, they're meddling in iraq and they don't understand diplomacy. diplomacy is that you

don't choose guns in diplomacy, but it seems that the only language they understand and unfortunately to innocent civilians are paying the price. those are the top stores. that's our uh, website. archie the com has most story, so please check it out. i'm a nationwide josh, i'll be back up on top of the hour, but the latest stay with us. the . the, [000:00:00;00]

the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter a little just enough to keep the lights on and cube this seems to be the new approach adopted by the e u and possibly even the united states. one thing is clear, ukraine is losing and will never when the only mission left is to deny russia victory, the cross sucking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess because making besides that he is a professor of history at american university as well as co author with oliver stone of the untold history of the united states in new york. we have him cabinet. he is a political analyst, and in philadelphia we cross who in good he is a political scientist historian, as well as author of american exception empire. and the deep states are a gentleman, cross black rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate peter, let me go to you 1st and with us. so thank you for coming on. the program is,

as always, we just had the european union after black mailing hungry to, to agree to an, a new 50000000000 euro. a package for ukraine is covers for years. it's a some direct um, uh, revenue injection and some loan guarantees which i doubt will ever be paid back. i'm calling this program to have on license support is this live support and a for in the wrapped up in virtue signaling from the you. right now, live support is pretty welcome. any and cave the way you're of what it looks like. you're almost dead and you've got very few options and you're running out of money and you're running out of how munition you're running out of manpower. a little bit of live support looks like a welcome gift right now. as you say, is 50000000000 over 4 years, which is not very much to you as proposal is just at 60000000000

immediately. and that would make, that would be in a fusion that would make a little bit of a difference. well, this is not what, what difference would it make? it would keep it going longer. it would prolong the fighting for long the slaughter and the word in the west is if we can get somehow through 20242025 will look much better so that well then that you can be ready for a counter news counter offensive with new weapons, and this one will work and so we just have to get through bite the bullet since we don't have very many bullets have to be careful that which was providing and ad in the short run. and so it's. busy the strategy of throwing more and more human manpower into a desperate situation. that's good a year from now or 2 years from now. certainly not be any more promising from

ukraine is standpoint for any kind of so called ukrainian military victory. yeah, but jim, people in washington know there's people in brussels know, knows this, and people in camp know this. so this is kind of few tile. i mean it's almost to the point of just being cruel jim. well, this is the strange frame of mind that people get in. you've got to believe and even if you don't know, even if you know it's not true and they think that, you know, they are writing up ed saying all we're going to pull back and go on defense. we're going to build up ukrainian drone industries and will come back as p s as in 2025. and they've got to tell themselves this and, and, you know, it is a strange think it's, it's one of these, it was a world is getting more absurd, as well as well as more horrible and more cruel. you have this vision of you watching people who know and say that they're losing and then they dream up these

scenarios. they think they're talking to themselves about this and they're telling themselves, well, it ain't over yet because we can do this that. and the other thing, and we can imagine certain scenarios that will come back in when the day in the meantime, they really discount the fact that there's this other party val, russia, that's going to act. i'm going to do things that, you know, disrupt, very excited to see that what's happening and not only russia 0, the ukrainian, fascist who they think they have under control over time. and they don't, do you know, you have this, this uh drama going on between the let schemes are loosely right now, which has been in, when were you trying to been there a certain the background and the americans don't really have total control of that . so you have this situation where people of lost control of things they are putting them on life support. is that like i'm ventilation. sure. now you know it's like the cobra dog do want to ventilate. is the ventilate, is killer missile? yeah, you're giving them life support,

is it given him ventilation and it's going to end up just making them go down harder and uh, well, i mean change him out of him with this is an influx of money will just continue the complex kill more people and ukraine will just get smaller, i can see how that's a winning proposition. aaron, let me go to you. there is an alternative theory to the case though, of course, and it's called the grist. okay, keep it going. so the money is sent to everybody gets their card. okay, and then you wait for the next front. okay. and this is the same leadership in, in care of that is completely indifferent to the destruction of there you are all very young man. i mean, you can say that's an opinion, but that's actually a reality. if you look at the demographics, aaron, the yeah, they are the, the leadership is a position where it is a gift for them. and there's been a considerable amount of corruption. we don't know where all the money has gone that we have sent them. and for them,

the incentive is to keep this going. and also the distance of is that if they were to go against the war effort, they could find themselves, you know, ousted or murdered. i think they even murdered some of the piece negotiators in the early days of this war when they returned for dubious reasons. so we're now in the stage where what the us empire wants is totally in feasible and not pop possible, but they cannot adjust to this reality. and now they're just wanting to apparently keep it going perhaps until the election. i don't even know if that is possible. the age, the average age of the ukrainian service mean keeps going up, which is on the one hand and thinking how sad it is that there's these 50 year old guys or 60 year olds, even if the average is 43. and some of them have to be a good bit older than that. and then that, but then you also stop and think about it. that's not as to how does these 20 year olds who have already died, because at least the 50 year old as we were to see 50. now what we've done to this

country is beyond imagining. we're upset about the people coming home from a rack and afghanistan, but those numbers are miniscule compared to what you're trying to see with a much smaller population. i don't see how they can disguise what a horrible, horrible disaster this has been and how it's a total failure on every level, including their ability to or their uh, the imperative to always establish the parents. right. so that no one will challenge you again. well, they look so bad in every way and it's a, it's a strategic failure on pretty much every level for the us. and now they're just wanting to extend it so they don't have to not acknowledge that it's happened. yeah, well aaron, and you forgot that other category of people that have really benefited and profited off of this conflict. ok, which goes there is no accountability the a where the money and weapons have gone. peter i i'm sure you a came across the news that victoria newland visited care of 10 years after the crime of the mind onto that. and she said it had some really kind of quizzical

things to say like, um i can't, i can't remember the exact words, but there's could be some really unpleasant surprises for russian this year. what do you think of that of the work you say? yeah. well then i don't know what to say, that's why i asked, do, i'm sorry, go ahead. oh, it is which really works if it works is it's just heartbreaking to, to watch this. and the thought that, you know, is maybe russia had breakthrough, maybe the ukrainian army collapses, maybe the jimmy, sorry about zoom, losing the and you know, so, so that's key says he's gonna replace illusion a and asked, so there's nature to resign as religious a tells him it, i'll forget it, i'm not going to resign. mean there's a possibility of this unraveling illusion is more popular than so. lensky is right

now. and then the military mean, could there be a military rebellion against the landscape if he were placed them? so it's when that that whole thing was breaking that newland quickly rushed over the yeah. yeah. i'm not sure what she's trying to do if you keep on hearing the word coming out of washington, is that well this is a you internally ukrainian matter. the get involved and we're happy, whichever way this turns out. like clearly that's not the case. so is going over there to do damage control, but it might not be possible to do damage control every day. there's more rivers and it also is the landscape does goes ahead and fires him. so who did you put in charge? would not let him in this situation there on top of the military style made to disaster, whichever is going on as on top of the kid,

failed counter offensive on top of the manpower crisis and the arms crisis. and you've got a political crisis. so it's looking increasingly blake, and it's very hard to paper it over now. it's very hard to put a positive spin on this for the united states. the only thing that saves the united states from being appropriately chagrined by this whole thing is that the focus in the u. s. is totally on israel and guys are right now is headlines. they're no longer about ukraine. they're not even a bad taiwan anymore. now it's really about israel, it was also looks pretty terrible. so the vitamin ministration is a real bind because more than 60 percent of the american people are strongly opposed to what u. s. is doing it israel now. and among young people is, is it's like 80 percent are opposed, so bite in front of a political standpoint. his hands are of that,

then i type it is not doing well. i'm worried about. well, peter, i would say, and you know, if they're tied, let me go to the gym here. they're, they're tied by his donors. it's obvious on both complex here. ukraine in the slaughter, in gaza is the bidding of the donor class. they the hell with public opinion. that's exactly the message, the by the ministration of sending jim. yeah, look, you never see it more clearly that the representatives don't represent the people they represent. the donor class looked the democratic party has shut down any democracy within the party. there are no elections, there are no debates. you see now there's no question about the fact that this president, who everybody says we don't want him to be president stable, you know, uh and everybody knows can't really and isn't really doing the job, but we're going to stick with them. i don't think they will, i think to replace them, but they're gonna not allow anybody to be helping choose to want to replace them with. uh, they might do it at the convention, but they'll do it behind in a closed room with the donors. so we've never seen this live discrepancy in all of

this in, in ukraine. and, you know, nobody asked for this. nobody wants to send 10 hundreds of billions of dollars to you call rain. when people in united states can have health care can as well jim jim is we, for as we approach the break, as we approach the break and then the media, mainstream media gives him coverage every step of the way ukraine guides and, and then impoverishment to be american people, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team, the,

the, the welcome back across stock, where all things are considered on peter roosevelt. you mind you were discussing ukraine, the okay, let's go back to and in philadelphia, and it's quite remarkable after the conversation of, of already had them this program. to mention that um, there were still voices inside of nato land and say yes. on the 75th anniversary of the name of nato's creation, we should invite ukraine to the alliance here, which of course has the private could for the rest of the special military operation and denying ukraine membership in a, in a line switch. right?

russia sees as an adversary here. it, nothing seems to penetrate these people facts on the ground reality. and plus, there's so much on, on social media and alternative media that you can get to the story is getting out . it's an odor of failure here, but it's not stopping the decision, making people in nato and in washington. right there for a while. it's been pretty clear that the only way you would have a dramatic reversal in on the battlefield would be if you took measures that would invite nuclear war. it's one of the more bizarre spectacles in the history of u. s. foreign policy. it's a more clear failure and more on winnable, i think from the beginning of what it should have been clear to everyone of in vietnam or a rack. i mean, these are it just as a more ridiculous conflict than anything that i could that i recall seeing in my lifetime it's so many people died and it's been so steady. we don't even know what

the number is. is that a half a 1000000 perhaps of ukrainians, and they can, they're still going to be, they still are out there putting out little stories of military successes and so on that you can see read this on online. i don't understand what the thinking is because it just seems that it will ultimately make the humiliation worse and more obvious to everyone. and it will make all their narratives about everything else, even less credible if they care about this. and yet they're going on acting as though they have some basis to speak optimistically or the the hoping victory here at all. it's, it's, i've never seen anything like it. yeah, peter, because at the end of the day this certainly has almost nothing to do with ukraine . in ukrainians, the reason why the, by the administration in the you want to keep this going is that they will somehow wants to deny russia a victory or satisfaction, but they're willing to use the ukrainians as their cultural here. and that's what

makes it even more cool, because at the end of the day, you claim it's not about ukraine. it's about denying russia security. peter of the. well, that's from a russian perspective. yeah. yeah. well, it's good to hear the russian perspective once in a while, but some other perspective, you know, you, cuz you can see it. so it definitely the ukraine was invited. that was rushed to provoke. absolutely. i've read from the ukrainian perspective, you don't, you can't understand why they're resisting and why they flowed very, very bravely and had an initial battlefield success. yes. but then they also have the opportunity that they also had an opportunity to make peace. in a april, after the february of this special military operation, they had that opportunity and it was denied them, but not by the russians by the west. go ahead, they had the opportunity to prevent this from happening. the 1st place mean that

we've known since 2007, 2008, put and made clear that he was not going to tolerate this. and we ignored all of his warnings, and we ignored what he offered on the eve of the invasion. and then as you said, there was a chance to end this in early 2022. and, and the, we pass that on that are boris johnson goes in there and under cuts that and then the united states reinforces that. so there's, that's what we're say from the ukrainian perspective. there is a reason for them to try to resist up to a point, but at this point they've got a let reality get in there. because as aaron was saying that their losses have been catastrophic and is only going to get worse. and there was a lot of descent within ukrainian society and they see their system sending their young men there and not so young as we were saying,

as cannon fodder. and they're going to the front lines and they're not trained and they're getting slaughtered. i mean, we're going to be back here a year from now from ukrainian perspective, the that so they get hold for this down night. and the likelihood of that happening is very negligible. they're going to be in worse condition. so this fantasy about 2025, the reality is probably whether it's biden or trump. after the election, they're probably going to find a way to end this. we should end this before because we can save, tends in scores of thousands of lives and destruction. they are, but we don't seem to have any wisdom and it statesmanship coming out and now the focus is elsewhere. yeah, but jim, i mean, peter just said, you know, the, the ukrainian perspective a lot, i don't see where the ukrainians perfect perspective is. if it, tory who knew and is flying in to adjudicate a power struggle in care of where is the ukrainian perspective. okay. i mean they're on live support. i mean, there is no agency,

they've denied themselves their own agency. the only thing they have is the give blood. this is the, this is what empire does jim know? all right, yeah, i think you're right. this is a completely client state. the united states has taken it over. the war is run by american generals. i mean, the french correspond instead this year and a half ago, i went over this whole things been run by americans and, and in the, what you and the again, the americans. well, there was a ukrainian of perspective has been there i perspective, which is there, which is a very strong, a political movement in ukraine that has a kind of veto power of what happens and you crate. and as we see what the americans didn't, they invented this character of zalinski as a, as a celebrity, as a kind of rock star. and that's why, from their point of view, if he goes away, that's a bad thing because the, the, the western public and the american public was nourished on this with the, you know, look at what, look at this heroes zalesky. but in ukraine there are other things going on to the discrepancy between your zalinski and to lose me and what they represent. people

are very upset with what's happening with the, with the loss of their funds. it and even daughters and father is now in the, on the battlefield, that's going nowhere. and nobody seems to have a plan because there is no possible plan to do anything about it. so the americans are isolated from they don't really know what's happening in ukraine, but you, but american foreign policy watts, who think they can manage everything and think they're gonna figure a way out of this. and we'll find it, we'll, we'll put it into it when we want to put a name to it. and i'm just gonna say, you know, russia has actually has agency and they've got, i think it's going to be putting in to buy rush. and, you know, frankly, at some point, rush a must, you know, actually have a defense in that when series territory and makes clear that the, the reality on the ground is irreversibly different. and it's never going to be change. well, and it's not going to be managed away in the gym. there seems to be growing

indications that that is the case that the an offensive is in the works here. um, uh, i have no insight information about that, but even it's coming out in some western media outlets that there is a build up going on. you know, it, aaron is a, one of the tragic things about this, and i'm going to agree with peter in bethesda is that, you know, the longer this goes on, the more people they lose. and i would even say the smaller ukraine gets. and if they are cut off from the black sea, then it's a rump state. and then at the end of the day, brussels, i guess we'll get there, which should, it'll be some kind of adopted bastard state, which will all be encouraged to continue to be against russia. the, i mean, this is again, has nothing to do with ukraine method. do with policy makers in the west, aaron? well, you would, it's hard to say exactly what it will end up looking like i had figures this person on time that the 2010 election map is going to end up looking like what the rump state. let's look good for a land law. that's a good point. that's a really, it won't be

a landlord state and it'd be some sort of basis for arguing for that as being self determination for the people in more russian friendly regions of, of ukraine. so that may be what it looks like, but as far as what the state would be able to do going forward, they could join the you potentially, although that would cause some problems for some of you, people with the cheap labor and other problems that they have but also the, with the, with russell really tolerates in becoming a part of nato at all. i don't think brussel know you have them joining that. so they would be if they, if they tried to put in the military hardware and there, i think that rest of will just mean rustic can assist basically on something like the plan amendment for the rump to each state of you trade, where they reserve the right to intervene, whatever, if, if there's going to be military installations put in there, it'll be a difficult problem for them to manage. but the thing that makes more sense for people and even in the ukrainian parts of ukraine, would be to have some notice within the,

with the rest of going forward. because i do think the whole center of gravity in the, in europe is going to shift towards those uh, the steven as much as the us has been trying to stop that with blowing up the north stream and everything else. i think that we could end up with a situation that's different than people expect because at some point the ukrainians have to realize that the source of their was is not russia. it's really the united states. well, you know, by, you know, air and the problem, the problem with that and jim is already brought it up, is that the, we have this, what scholars wouldn't called deletion nationalism. this s the nationalism, it's very fashion stick and it's nature. and they do have us way in, in ukrainian politics and the americans and the europeans. know that, peter, that is a problem for ukraine as well, because russia will not tolerate this kindly breezy mind. it's border because it

says pure ha, it's hospitality, peter. the question is, how tired are the russians also know they've got a layer and they're they're, they're less tired than the ukrainians. i can guarantee you that. okay, less tired might mean that they're still tired and, and that they might be willing to accept a deal where they get what they already hold. uh and that they're when they're ready to really to stop the fighting. no, don't believe ab 0. no, absolutely not. then that is a strategic defeat and what was it all for? okay, what was it all for? know, it was really, really, really wait until we talk about the agency of this program. but i have to remind everyone i, i'm amazed that i have the russians have agency to, they had agency in the don bass when they were being shelled for me years and the world never recognize that. but in russia to, to this day has agency go ahead,

finish it. of course peter, peter rushes us out of suffering. as a result of this, russia is also suffering catastrophic losses. this is the long term impact on the russian economy is not going to be a positive one. and, and there's a lot strong this. there is also some strong sentiment in russia to want this to end. mean i've, i've lived through the wars in the united states as well, but i couldn't, i can't tell. i could tell you and our guest in our audience, there's more of an appetite to win, then to call it off. we'll see how it goes. it is already winning. yeah. right. so it will win and it will be a battlefield solution because that's what nato is determined. gentlemen, we just got into a debate here and we ran out of time. i want to thank my guessing, bethesda new york, and in philadelphia, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc you next time. remember, most of the

the american show has to talk a call soon, concerns an outcome in interview with russian president vladimir fruits increased as he wants americans to get the full fixture and the ukranian conflict. americans have a right to know all they can about a war there implicated in and we have the right to tell them about it because we are americans to freedom of us we, which is our birthright. we were born was the right to say what we believe that right cannot be taken away, no matter who is in the white house, structures and back to the, to the you in his last down to the west, to covering up the kids a trusted is a dumbass, he says he brains, regular shilling of civilians shows how brutal the regime really is asked. as that