as a support of serbs because serves are also a special and close to us nation and with orthodox culture and so on. new it's a nation that has suffered so much for generations. well, regardless, what is important is that the else in expressed his support. what did the united states do in violation of international law and the un charter? it started bumbling. don't great. it was the united states that lead the genie out of the bottom. really more over the russian protested than expressed as resentment and stuff. what was said, the when charter an international law have become obsolete now everyone invokes international law. but at that time they started saying that everything was outdated. everything has to be changed over. indeed, some things need to be changed as the balance of dollars has changed and which is true, i believe, a button up in this manner, hilton was immediately dragged through the month accused of alcohol, isn't of understanding nothing of knowing that you know what actual he understood

everything i assure you, well, let me see. i became president in 2000 and the i thought okay, so you missed a lot of issue is over, but we should try to restore relations. i told her what i see here. let's reopen the door that russia had tried to go through washington and moans over. i started publicly, i can to reiterate. good. yes, white, yes, i'm at the less the building at a meeting here in the kremlin with the outgoing president, bill clinton right here in the next room. i said to him, a couple of i asked him easily, but i see the best thing a little stupidly new bill. do you think of russia asked to join nato? do you think it would happen with google? doesn't actually interior? suddenly he said, you know, it's interesting, i think so you to this it was, it was in the evening when we met for dinner. it was just like he said, you know, come on. i've talked to him, i'd say no, no, it's not possible. now most especially if you may have the windows, you can ask him, i think he will watch our interview. he'll confirm it too. but don't know,

i wouldn't have said anything like that if it hadn't happened. okay, were you since here possible? now would you have joining nato bessler look your height asked the question, is it possible or not? and the answer i got was no. if i was insincere in my desire to find out what the leader in the position like was, what if he had said yes would you have join nato usually boss if he had said yes, the process of approach meant would have come in. and eventually it might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish and the other side of our partners. but it doesn't happen. well, you know means no. okay, let me see if we can find why do you think that is just to get to a motive? i know you're clearly better about it. i understand. but why do you think the west rebuffed you then? why, the hostility, why did the end of the cold war not fixed the relationship? what motivates this from your point of view was really still you said it was

good or bell dancer? no, it's not bitterness. it's just the statement. the fact we're not the bride and groom bitterness, resentment under, he did sort of build those kind of matters in such circumstances. maybe we just realized we were in welcome there. that's all issue. okay, fine. but let's build relations in another manner. let's look for common ground with elsewhere. that's why we receive such a negative response. you should ask your leaders so i can only guess why. i'm so big a country by this own opinion and so on compassion and the united states. i have seen how issues are being resolved and nato. no, yes. are you sure i will give you another example. now concerning your crane identity, spitting out of chest pains, who can save you? she said the us leadership exerts pressure and all nato members of the day and leave out to people. so that's the, even even if they do not like some things scheduled with this, the so, but i know i'll tell you what happened in disregard with ukraine in 2008,

although it's being discussed. i'm not going to open a secret. so you say anything, michael has no wish to reach of the machine. never the less often that we try to build the relations in different ways. so we can for example, the events in the middle east in iraq. and we were building relations with the united states and a very soft, prudent cautious manner. i repeat the lea raised the issue that the united states should not support separatism or terrorism in the north pockets. and i see it on the golf course. mostly on the because really, they continue to do it anyway, but it keeps giving political supports information supports him. i mentioned the supports, the military support came from the united states and it satellites before there is groups in the congress's before i'm going to one, you know, i once to raise this issue with my colleagues, also the president of the united states. he says it's impossible to have proof. i said yes,

i was prepared for this conversation and i gave him the proof and he looked at it and you know what he said then i apologize, but that's what happens. i'll quote, he says, well, i'm going to kick their ass. we waited and waited for some response. there was no reply. yeah, go to get it through. i set the depth as the director and right to the ca. what is the result of the conversation with president is he rose once or twice, and then we've gone to reply. we have the answer in the archive. it will be for the see, i replied, i don't know more than this. we have been working with the opposition and russia. i think we believe that this has the right thing to do and we will keep on doing it for some reason. it's just ridiculous slide number for that as well. okay. we realized that there was out of the question, forces in opposition to you, do your thing and ca is trying to over to your government. okay. are some emails if you do the balance, of course they meant in that particular case, the separate this that there is who fought with us and the caucasus was the one.

that's the one. that's who they called the opposition of february minute. this is the 2nd question. the 3rd moment is a very important one. is the moment when the us missile defense system was created . i met you at the beginning and what the, what do, what if we persuaded for a long time? not to do it in united states. me up unless you do for more over a gets a bush and bush from laughter was invited by bush juniors, father bush, senior, to visit his place on the ocean ssl certificate. it was maybe he had a very serious conversation with president bush and his team to but i propose that the united states and russia and you are jointly create the miss or behind the system that we believe we should have created to unilaterally threatens our security despite the fact that the united states of potentially said that it was

being created against missile threats from my ran. that was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system. i suggested working together, i don't think russia, the united states and europe. they said it was very interesting. they asked me, are you serious? i see by setting ups. absolutely. may i ask, what year was this a new products worth of? i don't remember when somebody to come they have, it is easy to find out on the internet when i was in the us say at the invitation of a bunch of senior. it is even easier to learn from someone. i'm going to tell you about the, supposedly that what you need to do as i was told it was very interesting when i said, and just imagine if we could set goals such a global strategic security challenge together, new the world will change for them. it will probably have disputes, probably economic and even political ones, but we could drastically change the situation in the world. a says yes and you and asks, are you serious?

i said, of course we need to think about it on so with, with that could be and i said go ahead please. then secretary of defense gates form and director of c i a and secretary of state rice came in here in this cabinet right here at this table. they set on the stable me the foreign minister, the russian defense minister on that side. you said a bottle and they said to me and you, yes, we have thought about it. we agree? i said, i think god, great, no, but with some exceptions. so twice you've described us presidents making decisions and then being under cut by their agency heads. so it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run by the people who are elected in your talent. even if the let's try it, then you just try to get the book and then today, just still just a good last good. yeah, i'm not going to tell you the details because i think it's incorrect. after all,

it was confidential conversation, but pleased with our proposal was declined. that's i thought that even though it was right then when i said look, but then we will be forced to take counselor, measure some stuff that we think we will create such strikes systems that will certainly overcome missile defense system. we answer it was, we're not doing this against you and you do what you want me for, assuming that there is nothing against us, nothing against the united states. but as i said, okay, very well, i'm just thinking that's the way it went. and we created hypersonic systems within certain continental range. and we continue to develop that we are know ahead of everyone, the united states and the other countries in terms of the development of hypersonic strikes systems. and we are improving them everyday, you know, but it wasn't us like if we propose to go the other way and we were pushed to couple of the shooting and that's in the mail. what else made? it was expansion to the north. well, we were promised, no nato to beast,

nothing interested the east, as we were told. and then what's a good note? they say, but well, it's nothing trained on paper. so we'll expense the at the machine. so there were 5 waves of expansions of the baltic states, the whole of eastern europe, and so on. what, you know, i come to the main thing, they have come to the ukraine, ultimately, the issue in 2008 at the summit in bucharest, they declared that the doors for ukraine and georgia to join nato were open. you know about how decisions are made to their germany. france seems to be against it as well as some other european countries. but then as it turned out later, we'd rather than bush and he's such a tough guy. he picked softball station. as i was told later, he exert the pressure on us and we had so agreed with metro when it's ridiculous, it's like kindergarten. what's, where are the guarantees what the kindergarten guess is?

what kind of people are these who are day? 20, thank you. you see they were pressed, they agree about too many good. and then they say ukraine won't be in the nato. you know. i say, i don't know. i know you agreed in 2008. why once you agree in the future, have grown up, which most of the, well they pressed us, then i say, why one day press you tomorrow. and you'll agree again, symptoms as though it's nonsensical. you've got those there to talk to. i just don't understand that. and we're ready to talk, but it with whom i should mention this way, which way are, are the guarantees non nimble with them? so they started to develop the territory of ukraine. i think it, whatever it is there. i have told you the background somehow this same story developed was due to what kind of relations they were with russia. every 2nd or 3rd person there has always had sometimes with the rush and during the elections in already independent sovereign ukraine. would you gain its independence as

a result of the declaration of independence? and by the way, it says that ukraine is a neutral state and in 2008 southern lead neurosurgery gates, the nato, we're open, so it come on. what this is not how we agreed, you know, now all the presidents that have come to power in ukraine, then at least they relied on the electorate with the goods at the, to the russia in one way or the other. you go us to this is the southeast of ukraine. this is the large number of people be just the feeling better. and it was a very difficult to dissuade the select source, which had the positive attitude towards russia. if it's the cost efficient, victoria nicole, which came to power and how, what else some could be used. the 1st time he, one of the president, which month they organized the 3rd round, which is not provided for in the constitution of ukraine. well, city level, this is a crew to talk to just imagine someone in the united states wouldn't like the outcome in 2014 to me before that. and you know, this was before that,

if the officer president could not victoria nicole, which one the election of what sort of whole river, his opponents did not recognize the victory or the us supporting the opposition. and the 3rd round was scheduled to get this done. what is this is due to the u. s. support of it in the winter of the 3rd round came to power. this one that is still need to imagine if in the us something was not to someone's liking. and the 3rd round of election, which the us constitution does not provide for, it was organized how to get to the city. none the less it was done in your crane, you participate with. okay, victoria, you cinco who was considered the pro western politician came to power age and i thought he should also comes up with a fine. we have built relations with the name as well. he came to moscow with the visits the way visit the kia. i visit the to check to see if like we met in an informal setting that pays for western. so be it. it's fine. what people do their

job to discuss the supply situation should have develop inside the independent ukraine itself. as a result of quote from us leadership things got worse and victory, a nicole, which came to power after all. that's which was maybe he wasn't the best president and politician. i don't know. i don't want to give assessments. so however, the issue of the association with the you came up no stone surface. you want to say here. we have always been leading into this suit yourself, but when we read through the 3 d of association, it turned out to be a problem for us. and since we had the free trade zone and open customs borders with ukraine, which under this association had to open its borders for you, or would you put the lead flooding of our mark you're going to use if you book i'm still, i'm not sure. and we said, no, this is not going to work this way and we shall close our borders with you frame. then the customs border that special ship. you know, we just started to calculate how much your grain was going to gain,

how much to lose and set through his european partners. i need more time to think before signing. at the moment he said that the opposition begins to take. this struck the steps which were supported by the west. they all came down to my dun and a cool in ukraine. so he did more trade with russia than with the you, ukraine to know, can you look on your skin yourself course is not the only the center, even the matter with trade volume. although for the most part, it is, it is a matter of cooperation size which the entire ukrainian economy was based on. the cooperation size between the enterprises were very close since the times of the soviet union to one enterprise. there used to produce components to be assembled, both in russia and ukraine, and vice versa. they used to be very close at all. it's just now is a signal accrued the tom is committed, although i shall not delve into details now. as i find doing it then,

appropriately the us sold as likely to come in a cottage down and we will calm the opposition of let the situation unfolds. in this scenario of a political settlement, we said, all right, agreed was the this way because even as the americans requested the coverage did use neither the armed forces knowing the police, yet they armed opposition committed a qu in key level. what is that supposed to mean? like who do you think you are still thinking i wanted to as that then us leadership . so you know with the backing of home to put it and put it by just gets it. oh goodness. for the backend of c a. of course. so could you bring the organization you wanted to join back in the day as i understand, i think we should think got they've been to let you in may. oh, though it is a serious organization. i understand my former visit be in the sense that i served in the 1st name, director it so with unions, intelligence service,

they have always been our opponents. we've had job as a job. no. you just you and if you're doing it, brian. technically they did everything right, they achieve their goal of changing the government. however, from political standpoint, it was a colossal mistake. surely it was political leaderships, miscalculation government. they should have seen what they would devolving to get duck or get the so in 2008 the doors of the day until we're open for you grange dinner in 2014. there was a cool. it's not even persecuting low. so it did not accept the crew, and it was in the, the cool they created was read the great media, which we had to take under our protection mentions as a launch the words on both in 2014, with the use of the aircraft. they're tillery against civilians. it says this is when it all started. there is a video of aircraft. it's that can donate something from a bother putting it. they launched a large scale military operations,

but then another one i was when they failed they started to prepare the next call issue. and that was all this against the background, the military development of this territory center opening of nick knows norris i unit and the to do the upgrade to gee, how could we not to express concern or what was happening when it can be spoken in from our side, this would have been a comfortable negligence company. that's what it would have been much like the board with a group. the customer is just that the us political leadership with forced us through the line. we could not cross the move because doing so could have ruined rashid self. hopefully that will show us what i see. you put them in your monthly bullshit, not sure you can either. besides, we could not leave our brothers in face. and in fact, part the russian, people in the face of this war machine. why your new much, what was that? so, but that was 8 years before the current conflict started. so what was the trigger for you? what was the moment where you decided you had to do this to know

some houses, but what sort of will complete is my change initially? it was the cool when they were trained to improve over the conflict expensive by the way. like then, the representatives of 3 european countries, germany, poland, and france run around. but they were the guarantors of assigned agreement between the government, the coverage and the on position. but what basically they signed as guarantors this month. it only applies you despite that, the opposition committed the cool and all these countries pretend that they didn't remember that they were guarantors of the peaceful settlement. mueller, they just threw it into so right away, and nobody recalls that at the to the government. so i don't know if the us know anything about the agreement between the opposition and the door to be secure. and it's 3 guarantors who, instead of bringing this whole situation back into political field, just as important the cool people, although it was meaningless, believe me in quite a 2nd. so unless you, because president in

a coverage agreed to all conditions, he was ready to hold an early election, which he has no chance of when it was natalie speaking that you know, everyone knew that. and then why is it cool because of why the victims? why threatening cray me, you, that you might launching an operation and done by some, by this i do not understand what that is exactly what the miscalculation is. is it c a that is job to complete the cool again, this is i'm of course, i think one of the deputy secretaries of state said that it costs the large sum of money almost 5000000 like human political a mistake wasn't colossal found interest. why would they have to do that? all this could have been done legally without the victim because of the military action without the losing crimea. but to me, we would have never considered to even lift a finger if it hadn't been for the bloody developments on my down are stuck with the bless cds just because we agree with the fact that after the collapse of the

soviet union, our borders should be along the borders of former unions, republics, we agree to that really. so shame most we never agreed. so nato is expansion and more over we never agreed that ukraine to the way the thing that they do box them out the to be sick because go offline, we did not. the greeks in a database is they are without any lead cushion with us for decades, we kept asking for, so you don't do this, don't do that. uh frustrating. you feel good, you know what you have and what triggered the latest events. so close to signs the firstly the current to framing and leadership declared that they would not implement the men's agreements which had been signed as you know, after the events of 2014 and mence. i'm or the plan of peaceful settlement in dumbbells was set forth in a goal was to know the car into craney and leadership for administer all other officials. and then president himself said that they don't like you and to think about dimension agreements and things like exponent can see that. and in other

words, they were not going to implement it. but in most cases, at least, but be solely your a year or a year and a half ago. but the former leaders of germany and france said open linked to the whole world. it's a selection union that they indeed assigned to minsk agreements, but they never intended to implement them. they simply latest by the nose. was there anyone for you to talk to? did you call us president secretary state and say if you keep notarizing? ukraine with nato forces. this is going to get this is going to be a, we're going to act. stay on the book. i'm going to stay on the good been going well, but i should know. so we talked about this all the time. you know, we addressed the united states and european countries, leadership to some of these developments immediately. so implement the ministry agreements. frankly speaking, i didn't know how we were going to do this, but i was ready to implement those really, you know,

these agreements were complicated for ukraine. they included lots of elements, so it goes down boss, territories, independence. that's true. however, i was absolutely confident and i'm saying this to you now, i honestly believe that if we manage to convince the residence of dunbar, so going to we had to work hard to convince them and i had to return to the ukrainian state hooked up. but then gradually, the ones would start to feel to be in the, around the ones. this part of the territory really integrated itself into common social environmental e. when the attention, as a social benefits were paid again, all the pieces would gradually fall into place within their bus. will it be super sleepy and that no, no, but they wanted that and everybody wants it to resolve the issue by military force only on the shelf for that week would not let that happen. and the situation got to the point when the ukrainian sides announced that they know we will not do anything . and they also started preparing for military reaction. wayne, who measured it,

i knew it was they who started the war in 2014. our goal is to stop this one and we did not start this war in 2022. this is an attempt to stop it. do you think you've stopped it now? mean if you would, chief dreams. you know, we haven't achieved the range yet because somebody, one of them is the notification need. see, this means that bra had vision of all kinds of neo nancy moments. this is one of the properties that we've discussed during the negotiation process, which ended then. it's done a little early this year, a couple of his initial system boy and the last person go to make sure you know. and it was not our initiative because we were told by the europeans in particular that you, it wasn't necessary to create conditions for the final signing of the documents. of

my counterparts in france in germany said for now you don't mind you go and look up the ship a telescope anymore. how can you imagine them sign and get 3 feet with a gun to their house? go late because the troops should be pulled back from key. if i said, all right, not to us, we would, through the troops some key to it using a to up to a to you. as soon as we pull you back or 2 of the strong key, if all were ukranian negotiators immediately through all our agreements, ribs, and it's the bull into that. then let's do this. even though they stumbled and got prepared for a long standing armed confrontation with the help of the united states and its satellites in europe. that is how the situation has developed it. and that is how it looks now. now, what does the party make or what is the notification? what would that mean with that? that? what do, what do you have are gonna scratch yourself? so what i'm suggesting that the, what's your question about those? then it's difficult because that is what i want to talk about right now. it is

a very important issue and the notification is good. good. after gaining independence, ukraine begin to search. as some western analysts say that it's identity law if they didn't do not. and it came up with nothing better than to build this identity up on some false heroes who collaborated with hitler. it's always that the cheese gets there. he'll have a good idea to a i have already said that in the early 19th century, when the theories of independence and sovereignty of ukraine appeared on, you said they assume that you, they be an independent ukraine. you should have very good relations with russia. not a few studies. cool. what are these due to the historical development? those territories were part of the following. surely, dwayne and commonwealth, poland, grains of wherever ukrainians were persecuted and threepence quite brutally,

as well as were subject approval behavior. i think teachers, now you really solutions are still good to show scholars for pregnancy. there were also attempts to destroy their identity and kind of them as you listed. i meant that either way, right. the chest is the oldest, remained in the memory of the people when world war 2 broke out. part of this extremely national is delete, collaborated with hitler, believing that he wouldn't bring them freedom, nothing to show us. how can we just get to them like grass, the german troops, even the s s troops made hitler's collaborators and do the dirtiest work. i'm exterminating the ocean jewish population. yeah. hands this brutal massacre of the ocean jewish population as well as the russian population to and some companies get to themselves uh with the to the, to just the equation. yeah. this was led by the persons who are well known, but there, well the suitcase which it was those people who were made national or heroes. that

is the problem to. and we are constantly told that nationalism a neil now system exists in other countries as well. yes, they are seedlings, but we approved that i'm seeing and other countries fight against as somebody's in . but ukraine is not the case that these people have been made into national heroes and ukraine monuments. so those people have been erected. they are displayed on the flags. now their names are shouted by crowds with walked with torches as it was in nazi germany was the one on your left leg. and, you know, you can look at each of these were the people who exterminated both shoes and russians at the news. you've got the interest of really lack of you, leave it or not. if it is necessary to stop this practice and prevent the dissemination of this consulate. nonsense. i say that the premiums are part of the one function people here. they say no, we are a separate

t mountain and that's what ok, they find that they should face. but if they consider themselves a separate people, send a message, they have the right to do so nothing you know, but not on the basis of analysis. and from the not so you guys the all would you, would you be satisfied with the territory that you have now? and then you to the question, what are the pros but you'll notice it's been that the shoot gotta will finish answering the question. ok. you just asked the question about the meal analysis and the notification, how much weight some of them look. as the president of ukraine visited the scandal, examined the stories well known, but leading silence in the western country speak of parliament. the canadian parliament introduced a man who as the speaker of the parliament, settling that settling, fought against the russians during the world war 2. well, 2 forth against the russians during the world war to reason, illustrate the hitler and his accomplices on which it turned out that this meant served in the s. s. troops personally killed the russians rolls in judas banks. and

using windows, us troops consisted of ukrainian nationalistic who, that is dirty work, how the president 0 crane stood up with the entire parliament of canada and applauded this miracle piece color. how can this be imagined that the president of ukraine himself, by the way, is a jew by nationality even when really my question is, what do you do about it? i mean, the hitler's been dead for 80 years, nothing germany no longer exists. and so true, and so i think what you're saying is you want to extinguish or at least control ukrainian nationalism. but how, how do you do that? what you mean you wish to approve us what you want to listen to me. your question is very subtle. and i can tell you what i think do not take offense of course on.