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no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons in support. given by dividing the administration with tens of thousands killed, most of them, women and children. and now native nation outlawing of money going to the main u. n. 8 organization that educates houses and kaz for refugees across this region. the international community is waiting for a new u. s. president. could that be professor cornell west or could you help determine who ultimately gets elected in november? the lifelong peace activists scholar and freedom fica is running as an independent in the 2020 for us presidential election. you joins me now from new york. thank you so much a professor west for coming back on going undergrad. it's been a long time ag, daily and now you're running for president before i get to the present president's backing of genocide in gaza for american view. as of this, what states will you be on the ballot full on the 5th of november this year?

oh, shooting for all 50. i should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer, and by november 1 we're shooting for 50 my but very much so we can really begin in an intense way until just a week or 2 ago because it in, in the states the do awfully is so deeply colonized dominated by big money, make it difficult for independent candidate. so you'd begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until of february 1 in most sheets, and saw that that's why we already got the last and we got oregon brass, we have a number already, but we're on the move for good 15 by the eyes of march, and then 30 by june and then 50 by november. well let's just go to the genocide then before more on your campaign, you know, fan of don't know. but you could stop by means the backing of genocide stop the u.

s. u k. back bombing of syria, rog, him and if you a president, clearly of course trump says he would stop, it is a matter of hours. so would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um your reaction to president biden . after all you are is a bolger of is in a way, last time around i have always been a very, very strong forwarding to me and critical by that tried to be part of the fascist coalition thinking it. but i'm going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality in mass incarceration to cut back on militarism, but i was wrong. and that's why i'm really convinced that the he's no major alternative to the neo fascist option of trump. that by themself is not just in the neighborhood of jo side, ethnic cleansing is a quarter of a part attack like regina. but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to

a kind of a mirage. as mirage is thinking that he's actually going to be pro, labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shuts down the railway workers in this straight. and the labor movement too often steal up for him. the same as doing the black community brings in some black faces in high places and yet still reinforces policies that do in black for one working people. and so i, i do but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem, but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the united states. i mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground. because uh for you, the beginning me was donald trump. now we're talking about a president. i mean, it's pretty rare that even though even international bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president. this is worse than anything trump could do. the mass mother, you know,

many women and i mean i think we need to have american lawyers. ready with the south african lawyers and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attack. so precious power, spinning brothers and sisters up the shift i think that took place for me was that the i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty. and even when he got powered child poverty and half the very important executive order and congressional legislation, but it expired in child poverty rate double again. you see, i come out of the legacy was i'm gonna have to listen to the come depaula when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably a little ball as homeless this i want to store credit union moved with $27.00 minimum weight. i want to make sure that wall street is not just wall again. i'm very much for workers control. all i want. i want to see working for shaping the destiny of the nation. therefore,

i'm calling for the nationalization of some of the major major monopolies in the beginning with a few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. but i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that they're not contributing to the session with prophets and calling and the question in the future of the plan. so that is a, a better not just a progressive, but it's, it's a, uh, a deeply, deeply revolutionary fission and platform and policy. and i think that's what we need because we're living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. ecological pos, possible nuclear deeply economic and political united states, but also spiritual and more now we've got escalating levels of hatred and spinning out of control. we've got to organize 3 that's on steroids. there's some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about and, and, and in addition to the structural and institutional one,

what i'm sure you expect it, what are the kinds of, uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment that one's binding to when another time as president, despite, as i said, this international court ruling that well could mean he's a co conspirator in genocide. to me, it's is fascinating up by the 1st 3 weeks when i announced in june i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions. i said to myself, i wish i had the kind of power. what would it be worth for work people in your neck, the enabling power in the mighty way, not just here, but around the world. i'm committed to those rest and all the rest of the middle east, that agent in latin america. but all it meant was that i was calling into question their version of t. now you remember margaret?

that's tina. there is no alternative. you must fit and accommodate yourself, become well adjusted in just a and those and no, no, not at all. there is an alternative, and it's in my campaigns, nothing but a moment in a moment, this band for to keep in mind you see change that i'm talking about and that come about when president it won't come about with just voting. we're talking about social movements as on the way to fundamental transformation, the economy, nation state. and of course, i want to hit the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. we don't need a 100 military units around the world. we don't need special operations. and a 130 countries, the american empire is in the k. we meet the dismantled in part of the 9 states needs to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. i'm an anti imperialist candidate. well, if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president,

the united states. isn't that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato? when he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from well is the do quite no worries. there is on israel, easiest with most of the right wing been been buying is in terms of moving to capital jerusalem. defer. and julia is really a lead district referring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. no trouble way. i just found that actually professor actually you can see a trumpet doing the same thing is biting is as regards the ongoing one of the last month. oh, actually now does. he didn't start any was remember a traumatic leah fascinated people. he killed people and he type near parts

averaging. he incurs noise in the apple. he is the one that talked about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt. and that's in a moment worried about the vicious suffering and foul experience under apartheid region. so that in that sense, he doesn't have an integral his bone and his body easy is a nice relation to. this was very different. so he, with i, i do view nato as an extension of american. the german is essentially american imperial foreign policy. and therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view. here's critique of nature. we were spending too much money, easier for you and don't deserve it. they need to secure it themselves and we will pull back. but give them wait to hear by them and at the end of the world, not through the ecology actually. but given that is ran a cabinet minister as an adult about using is rarely nuclear weapons. and of course, we've never seen such tensions. and as their new gate engines have drain rusher and nato isn't the time then for

a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents. as regards a war in the military, industrial complex or what it says on what kind of collisions talking about. so here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency it cost to see in terms of the truth and the condition is truth to allow, so to speak. so for example, on the one hand, i mean you got, you got a wrong, i, ron has their critique of bud. it's, it's, it's, at times it's very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. i'm not a supporter of milwaukee or deluxe. i supported women, live street, a low, i support those who are resisting against the form of domination within the same is true with rush. rush itself was provoked by the expansion of nato. it led for what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critique, so the russian system and putting himself in terms of structure, the domination in the silent thing of this isn't

a voices and so forth. so they are the moral consistency alone. we have a political solidarity so that the coalition of that i'm top mattress, the function of re out politic. but it's also a commitment to true commitment to just as we're ever whatever context the talk about. let me put this in here, isn't there off of aspiration. i mean tucker calls and on fox news used to say all sorts of strange things about immigrants. he doesn't have an enzyme fairly bone and well the, the but it hasn't the change on people changing and becoming more. you just see it as isolationism, right wing eyes laser right ling popular is the right wing for he's got a critique of the beats. and of course i have my critique of the late his critique to release the same modeling. word about mass incarceration at home. doesn't say among them word about anti poverty program, doesn't say that mumbling word about white supremacy. and he was so pro white

supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. but as an n, as a problem, this will be guess various forms to be leaks. it makes them look appear as if he'd critique solidify what is actually an imperial critique of empire. okay. who was like your running for president? it isn't now the time. and would you have to try and you like and get this affordable? those people we will remember what was what, what, what was it? malcolm echo says supported the right wing senators view on the defensive extreme is now paying advice. yeah. and they'll do another train deleted the other if we're going to have person to support me, i'm going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. we're not a guard variety politician in that regard. i'm not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice anywhere just in order to we in any way. now that's best, not how i yeah, that's not a lot to seek professional. what do i do have for the rest of the company?

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the the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with professor cornell west 2024 us independent presidential candidate, you know, professor, we were talking about one about the fact that, as you designate the right wing of populist isolation, is like dr. costs and are increasingly critical of u. s. foreign policy over here in the middle east, the big the story as well as gaza is that to him, or on con, the who used to run pockets the democratically elected lead to he made some comments about his own withdrawal being conducted at the hands of a us conspirators and the so it reminds a lot of people in your raise your, in the middle east and africa and latin america are about. the us is sponsorship for democracy is at schools in the state department. what would you do as president, when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us states that

acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it, destroy any idea of democracy? or, you know, one of the thing you have to do as president is use the bully pulpit to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of c. i a fundamental role of us material foreign policy that over through democratic region, we can talk about why them all at least talk about iraq. we could talk about review of the stuff, but dominican republic can talk barbara needed. talk about panama. we need to be, they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. so you see, so often there's not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to acknowledge the truth about the ways in which the united states has been a anti democratic force around the world. been pro market always been obsessed with

profits. always been obsessed with the international monetary fund in the world bank, extracting resources as well as profit. but it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and worky people's in africa and latin american ages. so there's a pedagogy called a function here. so people that understand my vision because my vision is one that looked at the world through the lands. oh, poor and working people here and around the world. and therefore, the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the international monetary fund. contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and worky people that will and just create african board was the and age and board was the 11 american boys, while d, which are simply partners with, with the international capital to can 10 year to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own for people, as i mean trump, again coming from

a very different philosophy. your philosophy is the right word to describe, but where he's coming from at all, has similar views about the super natural structure. the certainly as big views of i'd be if we, i ca, i mean i don't know is more and come with the weather mode about the f b i who knows. he doesn't like, i'm job the job has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. that is as imperialism vacant bay. we had an $1840.00 stage more that conquer mexico took 50 percent of all and mexico i grew up in california. used to be mexico, texas used to be mexico, arizona used mexico over the u, as in beijing and mexico on the left of that truck now using the same language that's 19th century interior language in that regard. so again, i don't see where the, there's any similarity to myself and in trump in that sense, even though it is different than, than the live is dropped,

presents is neil fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of, of, by the flip side. of neo liberalism is what militaristic, a, gaza militaristic attack, so a human militaristic, latin american past effort come at this very moment. well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his national security adviser was on this row. and it was trump who was offering a couple of runs to venezuela. uh if uh if, if uh what you're going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. that's education on housing, on free health care for ordinary americans. what are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the united states for so don't again, i have to say it, you know, trump's, it organization was talking about american cottage. there's something very similar

to your view about what is being done to the poor working classes with united states over decades. but what, what do you do with dealing with that you're going to forgive it in con, is, would be late in the black. it was, and the brown, it was in a full, big, deeply, white supremacists, very, very different lands to which is viewing the world when he talks about sap. that's all but the plan, the, the decay and the plan, the impact, yes, the right about it. but i will not budge one inch when it comes to a position to critique. well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. it is a better the general like the ball line, whether you do get it and then that is still a line of full life and he got his own life. i felt some would say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be brought to justice. be brought to justice. i'm talking about wall street really. i mean,

how many wall street gains has went to jail and inside of the trading market, manipulation, predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one. and the bottom right now, one went to jail. i had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a truck besides the black side, sacramento that in other parts that went to jail. so we just don't mind just not revenge though. i mean, you know, i don't, i don't believe in vicious talk about revenge. i just want just may again, trump, this is obsessed with resent. you don't hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. it all, you know, the pressure is a, against any president trying to bring in free healthcare given that somehow or a financial power of that lobby. why do you think his that the, they continue to have such a power as the, or even the by the ministration admits the price of co pays and all of this private health insurance in milwaukee continues and the us taxpayer has to pay ever more

for it so it can end up in the companies, profit sheets, we just don't have enough power, you know, to organize money is more powerful at the moment than organize people, which means that people are not as well organized that we ought to be. but the, the only thing that we end up changing in the way i would like to change is, uh, is, is organize people on the streets going to jail, creating challenges, civic disobedience of the, the people who don't have the people still supporting the bible version of democracy by the democrats and they cowards. what is the role of cowards in your system as well? i mean, that's a wonderful question though, because i'd rather be of course, in the account myself, but the role of cowards of those who are willing to defer the powers that be for some kind of money, a status title and cowardly mess which cuts across color cuts across gender,

sexual orientation, and nation. it's a human thing. and it has to do with those who have given up on any rage, those who a cell console, their souls in relation to any vision that's changing the world, the name of poured and working people and is highly probation. how i mean, this is why you baked with just the days because it is reward. that's why you see so many black faces in high places are sold as sold and want to act as they have. their very existence is a litmus tests, a black progress, a human progress. when is crushing, poor people is crushing, working people and get in the name of i agree with that, the ink to generate any of the bureaucratic categories that are out there that don't want to come to terms with the issues of class domination or imperial domination. don't want to come to terms with the light and predict when to for working people. yeah, jenny, ellen was in congress on answering questions. it was all the people of color that

were asking are easy, obsequious questions, and it was the white republicans and whereas can put new ones. anyone could see that is that a pro we want further questions from anybody and every body? i'm so craddick in that sense though, he's been still granted that low across the board. and obviously democracy is nothing without a free press. do you have a free press in the united states and that's where we got to cali press. we've got to press the depth is not willing to raise his voice directed to actually wrestle with some of the deeper questions that have to do with the future of america. there was a bipartisanship in, in, in the us press. the of the military is expansion of the military budget. no seriously takes a wall street, no serious boutiques of corporate greed and silicon valley. you get that both democratic party, republican party,

both fox news and m as in dc. and they all had trump. any a trump is more popular than ever. yeah. that's true. that's true. as the as president. uh, would you immediately in this extradition from torture of julian? i sancha who kind of exemplifies them free for us with the 1st day of part, julie, this also pardon me, me a bu, jamal? i would, i would like to ask for step shot, or she could come home if she wanted to get all of those will be and had been on fairly incarcerated onto their political views. and i'm thoroughly convinced of my dear brother do. and the son has been unduly un, unjustly treated owing to what exposing the crimes of the american empire. that's all brother julian de. and it's sad to see that the journalistic establishment can't say

a mom and word about their fellow journal. it just shows the level of the above present. as you know, brother randy credit going others. i've been talking about this with great trojan paul and i stand with what happens to politicians in the united states who advocate for free health care housing education. they look like they're coming anywhere near power, as they say that the things like nato should be dismantled and the money should be spent not on killing machines, but on american progress, character, assassination. literal assassination. marginalization. is this just a tax to misconstrue miss? understand? but even given that intense bomb bar, the great tradition to, to tell in adjust to seeking steel goes on, not bread. that's the good news. that's the good news. it can never be completely

snapped out. never be thoroughly suffocated. even if they kill the body spirit. in new body build on that spirit. that is the good news. so just to encapsulated your campaign and we'll mocks you at different that robert kennedy to donald trump, to genocide josie's gould, to encapsulate what is the platform the platform of what is what is putting poor and working people at the center here in around the world at this moment in power on the sheet, democratic possibilities and also connect them to struggle to justice, the level of beauty, those musicians and the artists play a fundamental role as we enact the kind of spiritual awakening and political renaissance needed to introduce america to the best of itself that's martin king as edward's a rabbi, as well as dorothy day. that's curtis mayfield and john coltrane. professor going

out west. thank you and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to the surviving the killing and gods and jerusalem will be back on monday, focusing on another us 2020 full presidential candidate donald trump's. we can do a full, i'm a senior official who argues in a new book and a trump is the swamp. he declares he wants to drain until then. keep in touch by all social media of it. so incentive your country and add to a general feeling undergoing tv on normal. don't come to what you and old episodes i'm going underground. see monday, the

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