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election walking must protest in the country. the latest headlines, the banks feel about is on call me back here and that some of the our with them. thanks bye for now. the hello and welcome to cross type old ones on peter lavelle here. we discussed some wellness is very likely the most watched interviewing history. tucker, carlson's engagement the russian president vladimir putin defied the gatekeepers and the powers that be in the west. and this addition of the program, we discussed the significance of the interview and what can be learned from it. and i'm joined by my usual guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, anywhere. cash we have martin j. c is an award winning journalist, a gentleman,

cross type rules, and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it . all right, let's start out with george in budapest, george, you know, the highly anticipated, highly criticized even before the interview was done, recorded and released and then it was being criticized even more. you know, and i've talked about this previously, was a very interesting interview. it had its flaws, though your thoughts were exact, could be there. i mean, it was very interesting and had as far as i think, what was interesting about it and why it bravo so much is syria beforehand. and a lot of hysteria also is, is that he did indeed challenge the reigning narrative, the rainy interpretation of, of, of the events in ukraine. so he was telling a vast audience. so a story that's very different from the one that they already gave with the day

after day my job to night, which is that the booting is a, a, a, a dictator flescher's big, imperialistic faith of who just wants to conquer everything and wants to bring it under his terrible domination is just a hipaa like person um and he provided an alternative history history that we, i'm the show of course very familiar with, but many people on and it goes to that the slopes great cape of road, rage on the body of the white house of the fence damage and shoals bar is johnson because people said a different story. i think that part of it that they what was very important, that is the story is going back to the collapse of the soviet union. all the various promises not to expand nato port is also to join nato and the re, a, the rejection of is off of a so, and then of course, bringing it up to more recent times with uminski quotes. and so,

so i think in that sense, i think it was a, it was a very important interview of a range is continuing. i mean, it's not going to help paid for quite a while. but if you call and have people hearing these kinds of things. well charge you mentioned history, let me throw it to a martin right now. there was a lot of history mentioned, this is a different view. and i think it was the 1st 23 minutes that even i was kind of in a state of shock. i know you were it was that we got the entire history of russia in 23 minutes, which was quite overwhelming. tucker carlson was obviously overwhelmed. but nonetheless here, you know, martin, you know, we do this on a weekly basis. we can be, and i have to say, maybe you'll disagree with me that there was virtually nothing vladimir putin mentioned in his interview that we didn't already know. i mean there's some minor things and i want to talk about it. but the, but this is not a narrative as that has been hidden it's, it's not a narrative. it's never been heard before. are exactly right. yes. your bang on

them on a um a to me there were no real revelations um, but i think um tucker costs and soldiers in america. i think there's a lot of them to there for them to think they're chasing to, to put in, put into somebody from, from, from the, from the, from the beginning. he was going to tell me that the interview. so he gave the 23 minutes. well, have a long, it was a history this and it was absolutely nothing started causing me to do about it. i mean, just so you just gave that it's a strange frowns look of looking as though he understood everything, but he really understood nothing. you just need a dog, you know, um, well i, i think also is that he is, he's never encountered someone that would dominate so much and be so forceful in his arguments to be found as a juxtaposition to other western leaders. i and particularly on that day i'm thinking i'm under by, i'm sorry, joe biden. the president go ahead mark. but to be so when you turn into like that in a different language, there's that delay and it's very difficult to hit the bible, you know?

so in that respect to you was quite fundable, but you know, i think come, if we're talking about content, you know, he took an awfully long time, really to get around to really touching on the key points, which he believes the american public really need to know we know who grew up north stream, you know, is the landscape the mansion negotiate a peace treaty? who is, you know, what to be had with the americans if any, you know, are you ready to, to, to actually enter into a peace agreement. you know, all these points uh, i think were relevant, but i think i'm gonna, i'm gonna stick my neck on alex and kinda on a limb. i saw the interest put pull actually. i mean, when you look at it from the conventional sense of how interviews it done, the type of costs and tends to interview people the any really likes is yours. um, it doesn't, it doesn't tend to go for polemics starting to use. he's known international generalist is the general as to what his is real strength is, is for today he's doing monologues on us domestic policy,

which is very good at. but i thought it was out of his depth with his interview. and i think code argued joe, to jump in there. what do you think about that? yeah i, i think it's a, i think it's a mixed bag dental link to our i think that the interview was, was um, not as good as it could've been. i, i wouldn't blame tucker for it. i mean tucker came to it. um, as every man, i mean, he came, there is a with a view to presenting um, tilting with a platform to say, lar, this to go we in america, you know, i'm an american, we have one way of seeing what's going on it or about with the roster of what's going on and as well, you know, here's an opportunity, you know, address yourself to the american audience. tell them what it's all about. tell them you know, and how we're going to resolve is what's, what's going to be the final outcome. and i think that the building i think didn't make the best of that opportunity. and now we can look and say, well, why should a,

you know, they, you know, he has his own agenda. you know, he doesn't care about what the talk is. agenda is, but nonetheless, it was an opportunity to um, you know, to, to make his case, i think succinctly and um, and the effect of the amount. as i said earlier, i think he made a lot of points points a we're, we're familiar with. but i think you're going to made it much, much more effectively to say right at the beginning. so the people then know what's going on, what, what, what, where he's coming from. when you stop talking in this very links they disclose, it weighs about the things that happened more than a 1000 years ago. you're going to lose. people really knew that because and then any time it took my history, well, how far back are you going to go? i mean, to go back century is millennial. how does that help us? well yeah, i would think both of you would agree with me that if you had taken 2008 or 2014, as a point of reference that have brought up probably would have been a lot more effective martin who needed this interview. you know, if you look at the food is the name or the his whole approach to tucker, he was,

it was almost kind of past, say with it moves almost have tucker needed this interview more than food. and because i think we both, both of the, all 3 of us would agree is that it and, and food name and said it is that, you know, the, the media outlets for president, my predominantly dominated by western countries. and they're going to, you know, that they're not, they're not gonna let up on their narrative. so he'll throw in his $0.02. but he's laughing. i mean, a lot of folks that is going to have an, a, a breakthrough martin city. how to say, i mean i, i sympathize with you if, if you think that talk a little bit more. but then again, you know, the very fact that some of these points needed making, i think that also sort of a spotlight on another subject, which is, is the, a huge information barrier between east and west, which is really affected. these huge issues like a korean war. as well, and i think probably puts in thinks there is, i wonder if putting has major advisors honestly because you know,

i could commit to the number of full pallets, not interview that the 23 minute history. i mean, we can just don't do the telephone interview. if you have a decent meet advisors that would say just, you know, post us know what you do because in most cases in, in pre internet days, that would never go ahead. so it's only because we have the internet, the only know martin i've seen, i've seen put and interviewed many, many, many times. my son says he makes his own rules for himself. i that, that, that's his my gut feeling. okay. i mean, when he visited r t, i was when our team moved to its new location, i sat next to him for 90 minutes. um, you know, he was gonna do whatever he was going to do. he didn't have any talking points. he didn't have any cards, he just did it the way he saw it. okay. which is interesting to george did. didn't change anything outside of western headquarter, tucker carlson. i'm probably not. it is very involved to change the public opinion. i think the,

if you know the fact that he went into this history lesson might just change people's perceptions of, they mean as the so ferocious a blocks us the dictates, it was either way l bends on a on come green, all these neighbors. when, when they look at him and they find that he so, so preoccupied with some history, you know, maybe they look up on him differently. um, but i think that the, the, the something you know, what, what sees boyce important is that the substances of things. and then he got onto a model substances they, they need to come at the beginning. i was always but basically, you know, the lower it ends, if he goes on the boy, you're gonna lose people. i mean, it's just inevitable. people get tired like, and i go often do their own thing. so that's why it was just such a bizarre thing for him to do so to it'll go again and you go into that whole whole george to talk to you about about things that people know. i mean,

americans know very little about their own history of this would be completely just bizarre, everything, you know, i, i mean, even though there was things going on in the 9 century, it, well, i think, you know, if you look at the transcripts, which i encourage viewers to look at the transcript, i think you'll get more out of it because of what martin just said here we have the translation. we have these a positive level of bad, but george, he said, just give me 30 seconds. so it gives me 30 seconds and i'll explain the base break and returned to the almost do a half an hour of martin. the most important thing about this interview is that or the at the it even happened. that's the way i look at it. yeah. and i think is a very poignant point set to the event itself and the lead up to the sense and the oldest in the public relations. and all the anger and jealousy, in spite from western general is this is actually a bigger events then the accidents of yourself. but i think the great it will play

else. it was a very long time. i think an awful lot of people will see the witness thoughts, and wouldn't be quite so nice as perhaps we, we think, i think i think americans would notice thoughts. and i'm just talking colson, for what he did to him easily. what was noticed if they knew it? again, it's really interesting. we have these kind of like personal information spears as i pull that i follow and i, i'm interested in their analysis. they were all over there. so i mean, they really picked it apart. okay. but and, but then others, you know, they, i think george, i told you the, tell the telegraph, their 1st article was, you know, putting a warren's musket or something like that to be something very esoteric. you know, that's what they took from it. but it was people that are interested in this story, were all over it and, and, and forensically took it apart, which i think was really good. keep going mark. well yeah, i think so, but i mean, going back to the point, it was interesting that he needed to do a video before high explaining to americans why he needs to interview. i think for me that really jumped out. that was the thing. i'll remember. well, he did do it,

it did explain nothing, you know, without being some problem, he basically said, very politely, you're pretty excellent. you know, nothing about this ukraine situation until, you know, even less about russia. and guess what on jim list now or just not the same, okay, just gonna jump in here. we're going to talk about those finer points. in the 2nd half of the program, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the tucker carlson interview with vladimir approved him. stay with our to the the

i think it will save you and it shows the patient unix. but then you put the willingness by the coupled or appreciate it, but if you're doing your dose, but then you would just give them a shot the, the left of selling. so got you. so, so, so that's where you give them step is just the tools. so in your components, the sensor only is a visual of moving in,

but i do have to make sure that people come the middle of it. so it's, let's see this as much. it's going to get the show you a different level may assist you my when you do it, i'm good insurance and which the technology you can throwing up at the let's just sponsor, excuse me, just go out. i don't know if it was a go or either of course the just going to put in the see it is done with this or fix it on this was was self employed. so sort of all the welcome back to brussel bullhorn john peter le belcher, mentor. we're discussing the tucker carlson interview with vladimir putin and george that's good then because some of the finer points here um north stream. um um the, the crew in 2014 um and a possible fast dig hostage exchange your pick. you take whatever you want,

go ahead as well. um the basic stuff about the, the hostage exchange um that is was, was very interesting because the ones uh, the topic awesome. very, very boldly raise the issue. all of the things he had kind of ended the interview and then extended it. did you notice that? yeah, exactly, no, i absolutely. so he brought this up um, but you know, after all, up until any that will be quite friendly. you know, he didn't know how boot and would respond to the subject, but thought it was a ticket on board was but good just about it. i said, you know, that right where you conscious of to say he's a junior so it was a lot more to it than that. um, but then he is and said, yeah, well we're working on it and we can resolve this and, and, and, and suggest to the doctor that uh, it's quite likely that he will be resolved and he'll be going home. and essentially

also spelled out what would be the conditions which and he talked about this um, this person in germany who obviously killed some but, but who does. yeah. so yeah, kill them. but because he's a, he's a patriot and this person left, the mother was a, was a soft, a complete scumbag in a valley, a human being. but those are the terms of the exchange. and once they spelled this out, then, you know, ultimately, you know, the u. s. government knows, okay, do you want him back sometime? no, it was put in the next decade. these are, these are that sounds you have to fulfill that, that were in which it amazing was. what was interesting about that is that the russian position on these delicate issues is to say nothing. and as head of state, he actually did say something which was about i was really quite surprised. it took a lot of courage, i think also for particular because he knew he was could being

a task for doing the interview. so it was a good incumbent upon him to asked that question which he should have. and i'm glad he did martin, who blew up the north stream to boston. you did the thing, johnson did it himself all his own. yeah. i don't know what was quite a funny movie to live a life a moment. but you know, a lot of americans are going to think about that comment a little americans are going to actually, for the 1st time. consider, you know, some of these reports on the internet and the claims by um cmo hush for example. and it for me, the takeaway of the interview is, is going to generate a little debates a little on social media, low and mainstream media. and it's going to be honda for a lot of these pulses on john stimulus and america to keep pumping out a little this book b. s. when you know we've got this relatively serious update site is interviewed with the world leader in a quite a while. remember journalist to come to social media or said, you know, well, you know, talk a sense of no wisdom journalist of don't introduce with uh,

purchasing uh, a new owner. try to why we will, replied, we will apply and to do them. but, you know, we haven't got any feedback from him, you know, i think is a key message to which is uprooted. and really doesn't write most of these western journalists, you know, he, he, and then going back to what, what type of side of the beginning. you know, he was basically saying we're doing this interview because our until this to america, a so piss pool and psychologists are corrupt. that we need to do that. and i think that is an important take away from me talking call honey. okay, what i mean is i saw them making kelly interview that was a total waste of time. oh i i, i won't get that. 040 minutes back into my life. i mean, and the, and i hear i think pollutants probably felt the same way. these are sense was here when they, when he encounters or not journalist, but at active this and whatnot, ideologically driven, that that's okay. then another issue george, which is very important, and i'm glad that a tucker oppressed is a negotiated end to the conflict in ukraine. your thoughts? it was a interesting because that was a the, the,

was that i was bossing. i was gonna try to go to the what, what, what's the spelling out be really spelled out very little. i, i, i couldn't really figure out what he was saying, but except the tucker was pressing him to say, well, why don't you sort of get on the phone to the white house and, you know, see if you can work something out with them with, by then and then, and buddhist, i, my wife's, i do that was over because by who is the one who's financing this war and the so yeah, i mean, a may, may be, but the problem is it's the, is the landscape has 0 past this. decreed is the law that brought prohibiting him from negotiating. so we kind of negotiations of the lease of the law has changed. and i'm assuming on this book pulled this up. i'm assuming he would have passed this law without the a, the go a given the go ahead from the white house. so essentially, the 1st of all has to get rid of this low, then we can negotiate. so it seems as if he was saying that the go see ation is

going to be have to be with ukraine. ukraine or ross are gonna have to negotiate. he said, well, we're open to it, but you have to make that 1st step. you have to get and get rid of the slope. well, it doesn't, doesn't help us very much us to, but he didn't really spell out what would be, what, how do you envisage this final outcome? well, i, i, he did, but he did it. his name a put in his reaction was not straightforward, but he did. he told us his thinking now go to martin right now in was the assemble process in the early stage of the conflict. and i and i, i think that, that, that's a sore point with the russian side. say, i mean, we already went there. we are ready showed you what we were interested in. what we wanted and your side through the, um, a service is a boris johnson, which of course or something reacted to this interview in the most bizarre way. i don't want to waste time on it, but this guy is not a serious guy with, you know,

martin, but the russian say, we've already done this. okay. you rejected it. so and now it's your turn. okay. and with every passing day, the terms get worse and worse for ukraine and that's on the west market. like it was a key message and i think he showed it across the palace for a lot of american german is to remind them because they're not writing this. you know, a big part of this media war is a mission. and we don't read that in wisdom copy that there was a date on the table and burst johnson floating. so, you know, he echoed all of that and repeat to that. i think that was very relevant to bring, bring anybody out today, but you also yeah. you know who, who benefits from this interview? i would, since we've been recording, i've been thinking about, uh, i think come if you wanted to really damage to a buttons election campaign, you know, and you let them in person only really took need to do is just to agrees to do a topic cost and interview and sound really lucid and clever and i'll fix it for 2 hours. talking about history, you know, have all these facts in front of you with no, to cause. i'm scripted interview, so i have some off in a week with a us presence in the completely put together

a coherent sentence in english, confuses and mind me a little math chrome with, with, with the material and, and show us with the code. and then the confusion, cc, an agent with the president of mexico. and then remember when his son died, when one was and then and then it gets clipped from apparently the department just as possible pro on the basis that we can investigate him. because he's to say, no, you know, in the week, you know, that kind of interview has quite an impact because an awful lot of americans who don't really know coach and have him full of russian police still gonna say cheapest creepers that go shop. you know, we might not agree with his politics and might not agree with the team is right, right, the record. but he's a leader and we have one of the leaders in america for decades. i mean, in person we have to go back to probably mugot such as so d, o, d is more full. we had last time we had a lead, somebody really took control or took responsibility. so in terms of affecting the

job i and i think that on his own was point next us at miss all into the button, come at no charge. one of the, you know, when they talked about the, the, the process and this symbol and adel, 3 of us talked about about it in real time when it was happening. and i have to, it may easily say that i was optimistic, maybe some of the good come about. and then we had it all dashed. but george, it's been that was like 18 months ago. and it's, you know, and people in western media was like, not only did that, you know, that, that not only didn't happen. and it is, this is a complete fix it to be. it's kind of like the hunter, biting laptop. you know, i mean it took them so long to oh yeah, actually is real, you know, in the same thing as we're experiencing again. that's one of the frustrations i have george. right. that's exactly right. and it's very interesting that we've talked about the stumble for us as little goes, boots and thoughts about just like it talks about mens. but you know,

if you go through western media coverage, they don't, they know never bring that up. they never talk about it a symbol, they don't talk about mens. they just have this idea. well, you know, put in the 2021 who wrote this essay about the russians and ukrainians, being one people that set out his imperial agenda. but he's got to conquer all of ukraine and incorporated into ross. so that's, that's how they explain it. so they don't actually tell us what they base what happened to stumble top close. they came to an agreement and what a catastrophe it was that bars. johnson was the, i think it goes with the, the united states brought bread, the other destroyed, and then so you know, i'm how many, how many hundreds of thousands of, of died since then and, and then you get to the next step, which is what or what how do we end this? how do we resolve this? given that there was that there was a lease of agreement on the table back then,

you know, maybe it could go back to them and it's not realistic. but let's at least the back of both the model. oh no, no, no, no we do. we just gotta keep this little going and it's so good as it gets. and then it's all the fault of the republicans. it's all the fold up from the usual characters, because then not willing to send even more arms to ukraine to keep this will go to some, but some mystical end of a negotiated outcome. because where we put ourselves into a strong position at the negotiate think they were that's, that's this of the fantasy works. but i think in the book and that challenge, that is like, what the hell are you doing? or do you have enough problems of your own? you know why, why, why is you wasting everyone? it's the resources on this. well again, but looking at the demeanor in here, a martin i, i would wager they put and never would have done this interview with him. i didn't feel like he wasn't a very strong winning position. okay. almost to the point of,

you know, being very, very confident and essentially messages you guys started this. this is what you wanted to do. we gave you and how we gave you an offer app is way like to say, and you didn't want to take it. so you know, you've made your bed sleeping it, but that's the kind of tell him that i got from him. and what was the wish do now they will make it 10 times worse themselves. you know, they, they all that. what and hold on, take already. european union is talking about a sanctioning talk a call. some of i'm trying to find the interview. and of course, when you do that, you know, a 100 fold more people, one of that want to read it, want to watch it. and people in america talking about trying to sort of put off some sort of band on top of costs and coming back. you know, all of this is fantastic for him and his website and, well, you know, we're, we're out there out of time here. but gentlemen, i looked at the, a montage of all of the group of journal a so called, you know, and access people. you know, all of their criticism when i looked at all of those spaces. tucker carlson,

got more views for that interview than all of these networks in and platforms get in total. okay, that's the impact your gentleman. that's all the time we have one to take my guess in budapest and mer cash. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us . here are the scenic some remember prospect rolls, the israel to itself, se interest is not just destroying is rep is not only destroying the so called legitimacy as well in the eyes of the world, but it's destroying the, the whole of the western project. the whole of the notion of western civilization and somehow western civilization being exceptional for the greatest civilization. now people are looking down at the web the,

the spouse of people is the best way to look at even if it was useful recalls. and then you said something, i mean if i give them the leisure, but i'd like to bring your opportunity, what would i need to do if it was all set up initially? and i wish all of my friends are so very simple. most of them will find out what that means for some, some video. but i think there's also still open. i'm shipping a machine, you're in a solution. you're supposed to use those cookies. yes, last we grab this and then just get brush up and think. i'll ask them to be releases phineas or the last of the.