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the hello and welcome to cross dog, where all things are considered on peter isabel. still again, russia is offered to negotiate an end to the conflict in ukraine, but the answer is always the same. washington says no to negotiations. indeed, the bison ministration is desperate to continue to fund ukraine's wherever the window to negotiate is rapidly closing the prospect in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess time long ago in north florida. he is publisher of the gold goats. in guns blogging newsletter in saint petersburg. we have alexander a town, he is a senior lecture at saint petersburg state institute of technology and in cal to we crossed through pasco, locked as he is an associate professor i k o 2 university are generally across stock roles. and the fact that means can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate only go to tom 1st in florida as we speak. now we're still
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in the afterglow of the tucker, putting a interview in the us, and it is pushing through it, spending for ukraine in israel. doubtful it will make much headway in um, in the house and, and, and on the ground and ukraine's illusion these out. and we don't know it's a political portions of zalinski, so i just gave you 3 things to play with your choice. go ahead. well, let's start with the tucker, putting interviewers. i think everybody has gotten that all the wrong. um, but i think wilfully wrong, right? i think that, you know, we have the, we have the, the political establishment of the wes wanting to downplay putin's history of us and as being some kind of false history. and then to therefore invalidate his reasons for being there. and at the same time that of course, one of the margin i soccer carl since who has now become a major force for a countervailing media presence that media narrative. honestly, that undermines their, their advanced towards war. so you have it right peter. they do still want more and
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the war and the show, i mean for must go on. but the real point, i think of what put in did when he sat down with carson, he had a long time to prepare for this. he and the staff, and it was very clear, was that he was speaking directly to the american people saying, look, it doesn't matter whether you agree with my version of history here. this is our truth here in russia. this is this, this is the story. and you can either to deal with it and then figure out some way of putting pressure on your leadership to negotiate over this. or we can have a war. and that's the, that's the situation because it's like, you know, it's, it's one, it's like having a, an argument with your wife. do you want to be right? or do you want to be married? right. and no, seriously, i mean, when it really comes down to that and that's kind of where we are, it's the same kind of thing. if we don't, the russians have been asking for some for them to see some form of you know, hey let's, we don't have to agree about these things. you can consider my version of history wrong, and i can consider your version is really wrong. but diplomacy is the art of making
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that happen and then going forward and letting the people decide who was right, who is was what's a good point of them. i think the lesson that he, that he put forth when he was talking about implementing limits agreements, right? yeah, i think you know, meant for some and it went some in the west they minsk agreements that you all of us are very familiar with. maybe that's the 1st time they ever heard about it. that's the whole point here. you know, alexander, to continue with tom's pointer mean for those of us that have been following this conflict from since 2014 everyone, 2014. what put had to say he didn't say anything particularly new. i mean, he and maybe a little bit of detail here in there, but the narrative is been as well established. and maybe this interview with tucker carlson was the 1st time and i input meeting talked about it. they kind of have a breakout effect where it can reach a larger audience. before we started the r r r r program. here i was telling tom that you know, the 1st thing the telegraph in the u. k reported on this interview was about how
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they talked about the long musk again. they don't want to talk about substance. alexandra, go ahead or you've echoed my opinions about it. exactly. you just always know that the western media is going to take anything that happens and they'll spin it in. so just the most ridiculous direction. so, you know, the 30 seconds that this interview that lasted 2 hours was talking about you on must of course, bestbuy headline news from all these organizations. it's, it's, it's really just kind of a travesty that this is how heavy the censorship is in the west. you're not allowed to talk about real issues, you're not allowed to even hear the president of the country that apparently america is supposed to be going into world war 3 with you're not allowed to hear. the reason that the other side is even fighting in the war which, which is completely crazy and then you have people talking about, oh,
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maybe we should punish tucker carlson for even having done journalism like this it's, it's a really extreme. so here's these people saying, oh tucker carlson is being anti american or he's not doing what he should be doing . but then you have all of these people in the american government who pledged their legions to foreign countries. you have people like chuck schumer going in front of a pac saying the only purpose he exists is to defend israel. you have nancy pelosi doing the same thing. so, you know, it's fine to pledge allegiance to foreign nations, but it's not fine to do journalism and talk to the russian presidents like we all understand that it's hypocritical, but i don't know where you really go. well, you know, one of the things, alexander, i got is something i've been saying for a very long time is that the united states and russia, they don't necessarily have to be friends with. they should never be enemies. i think that's one of the things i'd tucker was trying to get across here. let's go. it's got to bring it up to the present. again, tucked tucker,
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got out of the president of the russian federation. does it? yes they, they, he wants to negotiate it in that didn't make the headlines, did it go ahead as well. funny enough, it was picked up by the new york times, but the, but it was immediately been commented by experts as like being a ploy or maybe just uh, just a lie in order to get some type legal advantage. so the, the video owners like by the full price to me, the real point which is that this was the most public ever appealed by the president of russia to actually sit down and negotiate. and you know, he even laid out how he even said, let's go to east stumble. and you said you talked about the means could agreement. i mean, some people in the west might have heard of the main screen that before. but i was literally off by a switch newspaper wants to cover this. like, can you please explain what it needs? what happened and he stumbled with the march 2022. these,
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these long negotiations are already forgotten and had forgotten on purpose because they were, they were crowded out by boat car and so on. and this is the impact of, of west the purple gotten that the sad thing is. this propaganda is not even from pop down indoctrinated this is voluntary self censorship and so propaganda that the west is currently trapped in and prepping itself and still gearing toward a more warfare with the idea to put it doesn't talk, which is why they're so angry. they are not angry at carlson, they're not angry at bloody me put in for saying what he said. they're angry at costs and for actually making up a part to us public place. and because that's the only threat, the real threat to, to their war making power, that the people suddenly understand what there is an alternative. yeah. well, what they want is they want to be maintain the v uh, the gatekeepers. that's what they want. they don't want, they want to control the messaging, you know, tom, the system vote was, is being brought up. i remember at the top in real time because i was going down to this studio and i had to change everything is a, with there looks like
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a tentative agreement coming out of a symbol in real time. it took months and months and months for people to mention. oh what, what was something was going honest, i'm both know they just didn't want to know about it. so how can you talk about your sample and mens can all this if there is no filtering to the public and this is i think what tucker was trying to break through and pool as well. they both at the same goal in a way, tom, i know i agree with everybody. i've been nodding my head and sign on agreement as the americans in the room going. yeah, isn't this crazy. and so that's the problem, right. and we, and i think the, the, yeah, i said at the time when it happened to the free and tucker across and from corporate media here in the united states was the best thing that could ever happen to him. yep. um and it's, he's, he's making that he's, he's going to put a down payment on that every time he a further down payment on every time he opens his mouth at this point in interview,
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somebody else like, you know, a week. and so it's, it's an incredibly important to, to understand that yes, a lot of americans don't understand what's going on and do want to know what's going on. and i think that that's part of the, the, the, the thing that we have to, you know, as a international can commentary yet, we really have to embrace here that there's, so we don't want this war anymore, then you all do. i don't like it. that's the, that's the reality. and the, the public opinion polls it this way, it's clear that we don't want to send in the sending more money view crane. and, you know, and for put into do very succinctly and, and, and in ends very successfully say look, this is what's going to happen if we don't, you know, start acting like rational actors. and that was probably the biggest take away from this that, well, what are the other millions of americans saw put in as a rational actor. exactly. you know, alexander, that one of the things that, you know, if you want to, i don't want, you know, like to go into a body language and stuff like that. i mean, it's kind of trivial,
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but when you looked at how they were interacting with one another, there was a great deal of calmness in confidence. and i think that's one of the things that put and one is that yes, this is going on. it will. and that we can negotiate, but it will end with or without negotiation is going to happen. now it's really up to your side, communicate to your people, you're gonna have a one way or another, but it's going to be the outcome is going to more or less be the same. go ahead, alexander. well, i have to say that i was a little bit disappointed with the work doctor did. not that i'm a journalist, but i mean it's very good that the interview happened. but to me, it kind of seemed like he was a little bit unprepared for the interview. he didn't seem to know what to say in response to putin's answers. so maybe to some extent, even tucker carlson is a little bit wrapped in the media center. so alex, are, i think i have an explanation for that because i think that you know, ever since he left but uh, fox news,
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which was the greatest thing that happened to jermel the journalism in my life time is a tucker, introduced people. he likes interviews, people that he had myers and this was a very different kind of interview. i think he was prepared. i just don't think he was prepared for such a forceful reaction because he likes to have an interview. is a chat usually go ahead, finish up. go ahead. alexander. yeah, chat is actually the word that i would describe to use it, which is kind of a funny adjective to put on the most viewed interview in world history. apparently . and with the most of the most significant for a long time and you know, as we stand in the middle of this war, so i don't know, it's just a very strange mishmash of anomaly. so it's, it's pretty interesting. well i yeah, but me because we've never seen anything quite like it before. i mean, it was highly anticipated. i have to admit to everyone this 1st time, instead of in my program,
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i was really taken aback by the 23 minute history like less than that. but i think it was making a point. you know, i know what i'm talking about. you're never, you don't know this history, we lived this history and that history has consequences that i think that was part of that. but of course, for tuckers view viewing audience, something like that has never happened before and probably will never happen again . as far as like the fox news type viewership, i would say for like, you know, the people who this could appeal to the sort of a public in baby boomer population watching fox news. i had who have continued to follow. tucker carlson. i think that this, this is moderately effective. okay. allow me to talk a little bit about that in the next part of the present. gentleman, i'm going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on your brain state without
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the wound when i went to the wrong one. no, i just don't have to shape house and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground. the the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community. best of all sun set up the same assistance must be the one else calls. question about this,
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even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin move. yep. mission, the state on the rush, putting s r t. suppose next. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center. for what question did you say stephen twist, which is the welcome back across, ok, we're all things are considered on peter la belcher mind. you were discussing. you create the okay, let's go with talk a little bit of what's going on. and ukraine here, as i mentioned in my, at the top of the program,
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we absolutely is out and he's no longer a threat to the landscape. that's a question mark for people listening who is on a bug pod cast. we have the senate moves forward. we expected that with a huge funding bill for ukraine and israel. it's faith in the house of representatives is rather unclear at this point even to the point of being a negative. and then we, let's not forget everybody. victoria knew and liked the criminal re return to the crime scene until last week. and you know, actually still doing those attaboy, let's keep going here. so it looks to me, i want the opinion of all my god gets here. this is a lot of desperation here. money isn't going to solve their problem. uh and uh, the beginning to realize that pasco, so we don't know what's happening inside ukraine at the moment. um that solution is all just definite. you know, the sign of strength. it's something happened,
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the high end of it behind the scenes. and one of the of the potential mix just mixed heads was, was ousted. we know that pollution was them support the bye bye. uh, portal shane call and but that, but what that actually means, the internal dynamic, i don't know, but nichol, i bet, throw from the university of rhode island pointed out that even, oh, the, the influence from the west on ukraine is tremendous. that really, the decision of the hard core nationally is to have been capturing ukraine from the inside for a long time is, is, is important to you. and at some point they might actually, besides that a change is necessary. and when that comes to maybe then a window of opportunity for real negotiations between ukraine and russia over the head of the victoria, nutrients and so on, might open up. but i don't think it's here yet. well, i'd tell him that's an interesting theory. i don't think any of these right? um, extreme right wing people. these neo nazi, neo fascist, will be willing to negotiate with anyone they would prefer to get rid of. is
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a lensky, a circle that we have. it doesn't serve their purposes anymore. basically they'd be there, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here because you know, all of this is going on. and we talked about the b interview, the tucker carlson had with the russian president to meet the components made and kind of very clear, you know, they're going to negotiate with washington. they're not going to go shape with the resume and cab because they're the they, they don't, they may officially can't even legally negotiate. they put themselves into this bizarre for the position. so it's really odd. it seems like to me that's a game of musical chairs going on in into desperation is sitting in the they don't have the manpower they don't have the immunization, etc, etc. and victoria newland is saying we've got your back. i think there was some more, more, more people and kept saying, we've heard this before and look what happened tom? yeah, i would say that is, is correct peter. and more of or i want everybody to realize that there's
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a timer here. and i really do think that the time or for all of these people is the end of the, by the ministration. like what happens this year in the us presidential elections will determine the future of this conflict and of multiple conflicts around the world. and, and this is everybody i've been saying this for a long, long time. that is a kind of a rate. so even from the day after the war broke out, then everything is a race. it's a race to running as a, to the, to ending the political support for ukraine in the united states. the economic support for the ukraine, the united states, as a race for the neo cons to finally subbed the subjugate russia. going back to, you know, 300 years ago with the british empire. it's been got, this is a conflict that's been going on for a long, long time. and there's a lot of history here. and, you know, people like new and have been empowered and been placed in a position to power in order to make this thing happen. and, you know, i've, i've also said for a long time that these people are very smart, but they're not very clever. or they have one playbook and their playbook is wanna
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throw money on it, throw local populations at it, and fight a proxy war until that proxy worse spent. and then at some point, are we going to have american troops on the ground, or we're going to have german troops on the ground? and if you listen to the german chancellor, all of charles is saying we've got to militarize now. well, that's coming from online affair. bach and robert hall back that's coming from the green, neo conservative store, completely aligned with victoria new ones as oh, i strongly agree with you, but you don't just like divide doesn't repaired, but you're right because this is a, it's political, it's not about security. so that's what really irritates me, alexander is that, you know, it's really should be about security use of the if all players were talking about security wouldn't be going in a very different direction. so we're looking at a ideological, an ideological agenda here in, you know, big tory, a new and represents a tier and making for 1st sergeant schultz in germany to say we need to militarize . i mean, you're, you're, you're approaching it completely wrong. how do we end the war? how do we get peace seats?
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they never talk about these issues. go ahead. alexander. yeah, it shows the willingness of the regime in washington dc to sacrifice to the ponds. it has in europe, which includes germany, which includes poland and obviously which includes the zelinski and all the people in ukraine. the entire population of ukraine is a pond to these people, which is tragic, of course. and i have to disagree with tom, though, i don't think that the us selection here is going to determine anything because we have to keep in mind that the 2020 election was stolen. donald trump won that election by millions of votes, we can't forget how it at 2 in the morning, 6 states just stopped counting simultaneously and we had to, it is surely in bringing bags and when, when the election was stolen, the issue is whether or not there's there's a, there's a, there's an farm or nuance point that we don't have time here to go into about
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what's actually going on within the united states power structure. and i firmly believe at this point that what we're, what we've seen is enough. we have enough time to face your evidence or enough for inferential evidence to say that there are counter valley forces trying to and that, and factions control of the united states government. and why is what we're talking about for 5 days after the cross important interview. how does that interview? we've come to occur without tucker carlson, but you email, remanded to guantanamo like these are real. these are real questions that are, that are, that are brought up by these things. well, i went on the defense and i didn't want to take would go in this direction and move as pascal because i think it's very interesting trumps. and speech in south carolina about the nato members don't pay up, you know, that they're not going to defend you. i mean, towards the top is because he knows what button supports. he's a master redoing it here. but there, there are plenty of people in the establishment that think that is a red line. so i don't know the election in november is good means
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a lot of things is number one isn't going to happen. number 2 or this we candidates on online right now, will they be on the ballot? i mean, there's so much going on right now, but when you start attacking a sacred cow like nato, well them or in american english member fight in words pass go. but, you know, did that also in 2016 and he threatened to the funds nato. and it never happened. and to put in into view of tucker cos and also show something else, which is the, even the people who are against the war with ukraine, like tucker carlson, are for a war china that even those people and, and the donald trump is included in those they would rather use the us fire power against china. i mean, cover cost and ask that question. hey, let me put the don't you think that you better true? i do have good relationships with us because china is even worse than somebody up with them. that's it. and let me put and have to explain to it. look, this is a booking and story americans, please stop being being afraid of china. we try and rush it. we're not your enemies
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. you don't have to have as enemies, but the doctor, i'm not sure dr. call some x m still doesn't he belongs to the faction who would probably use to buy a par on the other end. so i agree on the whatever the outcome of the $22020.00 of this year makes an 8th of 20. 24 will probably not bring more ease. it might just re focus the us worst 8 on a different target. of course for us it would be nice if it wasn't frustrating more . yeah, well, if you just pass code, you just got it right. it's all about the worst day, designated tom, because, i mean, if you want to get instead of focusing on, right. so let's focus on china. that still means, you know, the weapons manufacturers when that's what it gets out and gets down to, okay. but the problem is with, with, with, with focusing on russia is a, could end up in the 3rd world war. okay. i mean, this is one of the things i've explained to people that, you know, over and over again, is that, you know, if it's f can a span or panama or libya and it doesn't threaten to blow up the world will focusing on russia. could tom,
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i know i agreed and who i am folks don't get me wrong when i say that the election is important and that i'm sanguine about the uh, the possibility of an anti war sentiment breaking out in washington. it's indicative of, of a potential time and a potential shift in focus over time. fuck, we're reaching that point where it's going to be your choice. are we going to actually do this or we're going to have a world war? i don't think trump once a war with china anymore, then you might have won an economic more of a china and, you know, and tucker carlson, you know, like at the end of the day tucked across as geo politics are relevant. i mean, i urge everybody to really watch the 26 minute interview. he just posted yesterday, the post put in interview. i think it will clarify who he is and where he is. and i think it's probably some of the most honest, i've seen of any public figure. honest. like, yeah, who he is a statement of who
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a public figure is that i've seen a quite a long time. and i think everybody wants the same thing here already. you know, everybody who's are, we're arguing about kind of how we're going to get peace or, or how we can influence these people to finally stop the war. and that we may be arguing about, around the, the edges of this. but there are clear factors here at, you know, it, we should already be in a war with russia over ukraine. folks, the fact that we're not, is actually, of goods. well, the model, the reason they are revisit and then, and then the fact that the, a lot of the, some of the warmongers in the united states are barking. but they're not actually being able to get things. but you can make the work, we should have what the word, the rush digital, much more with us over over north stream to our right. let me, let me finish with the alexander, but you could make the argument that it is a war. it's just the semantics we have here. got one minute alexander, go ahead. well, i, i'm very,
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a bear market on the election having much impact because biden is over there in the philippines building new military bases. and so the united states administration has its clause very deep in those countries along the south china sea. and they're constantly pushing them towards confrontation with china. so really, china and russia, they're both backed against the same wall. so whether there's a war or an effort against china or against russia, it's the same thing. it's was nato l g b, t q, a lions trying to dominate the world force their very bizarre, ideal of ideology on all countries that are in its orbit. and this includes poland, poland recently had a shift in its government, and now they're starting to talk about instituting these kinds of ideological changes in what was once the most conservative country in europe. so that you l. i guys has nothing to put too much stock into elections and democracy. you know why?
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