the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, the destruction of garza and it's people continue unabated. the by the administration shows no meaningful interest in stopping israel's genocidal assault . at the same time, there is much talk of a ceasefire in this one sided conflict. it would seem, it is just that,

just talk the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst in rest and we have like a maloof is a former tenant gun senior security policy analyst ended latasha. we crossed to steve, so he needs he is an award winning journalist and chief editor of mid east discourse, or a gentleman called stop roles and effect. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. well, i know, let me go to you 1st here and let me just ask you a very basic question. since the united states is an election cycle. very simple question. i remind everyone the title of this program is guys the death camp. so in light of the title of this program, lionel has job, i didn't put genocide on the ballot are absolutely not. and the reason why is that, sadly, to say, peter, most americans, most american voters do not understand this conflict. this war is har as genocide.

when i ask any of my friends conservative liberal, it doesn't matter. this is what they say is real, has the right to defend itself, all thinking and all discussion stops. and if you follow up with, but does israel as it is being suggested, have the right to punish guys to eliminate guys, to eliminate palestinians, to, to starve them, to goes back circular to they have the right to defend themselves. very quickly. on september the 11th in 2001 we said in this country, america has the right to defend itself against terrorism. and by the way, there is no concept, no group to a, some real to vague too hard to pinpoint. for purposes of, of, of, of sanctioning war, we went to iraq and afghanistan to get them back, even though we never figured out what they did so. great. so just a conclusion. this will not ever hit the conscience of american voters because they

still think it, there's some kind of a vague and legitimate response. well, maybe with the exception of arab and muslim americans in places like michigan in pennsylvania, a good for right there, michael. let me know to you after a 130 days, what, what is israel accomplished and all of this except for destroy hospitals, schools, universities can well, lot of women and children. what are they accomplished? well, one thing they have accomplished is that they have gained the universal dis dislike by the world uh for what they were for what they're doing, perpetrating on innocent women, children. uh, not one point. 1000000 children are not members of hom, us. besides that, how much does the resistance group? it's not a terrorist group and, and, and we're seeing over and over again. and if it weren't for the actions that israel has done to the palestinians over the course of years and years and years. we

wouldn't be where we are right now and, and, and the people don't understand that they don't understand history. and i thought it was very intriguing when we saw the, the interview with tuck, tucker, carlson. and, and lot of important people have no concept of history period. they don't know what, why were there what we're doing and, and, and we're seeing the same thing here. they don't understand what led up to this. it just didn't happen overnight. and i think that people and americans especially need to understand that. but we're there so embroiled now in their own issues and problems. we've got the ukraine issue that we've got to deal with. people are going crazy here trying to figure out even making the living these days, given a biden's manufactured of inflation and an economic downturn and world crises. and it's, it's pathetic. i mean,

normally the administration's come in to make life better. this guy hasn't made it much, much worse. well, all front. yeah. it's the foreign and domestic and foreign. it's steven it's, it's interesting what we've heard from lionel and michael already. i don't disagree with the interpretation of how events are understood in the west, particularly the united states. but history is well known in your part of the world, okay. and may understand where this came about, why it's happening and who is protecting it. and that is of course, the united states and it's close allies. they are just as comfortable as anyone and tell a b steven of this process though we almost august on 75 years ago, stuck new as 75 years ago. and was the support of the british for design a stop. you were talking about zines, not about the jewish, there's a big difference. so people, the decisions have no problem with the jewish. they've been living together for

hundreds and thousands of years. the problem designs a geology i supported by the united kingdom and the united states. they've been funding a supporting the massacres and the, and the killing was the part of sidney and people. and what's happened, october 7. it's a re flip shift, a react of the 75 years of oppression that the palestinian people has been going through. this time we are see the western world and let's say the list of people, the normal people have broken up and the one that you've seen to protest in london, mass of growth as in london and support the spot, a spine in new york city were seen in new york city, jewish and the muslim fathers, things together to side by side we are seen in brookville were seen in spain, on over, were stuck in seeing more countries as standing up in the face of imperialism. so the world today is smith locked out in 2000 and the streets that the american, the deep stay. e fact the car,

the white house can just the light to the world on means. the media was a smoke to read say this is a weapon of mass destruction. let's go in and tell the 3000000 people and destroy a civilization the people on the dock night. so they, there's the internet. there's the social media. there's freelance journalist over and also there is a lot of channels who are not screwed imperialism and did want to buy. and i mean, we need that like our to use one of them so you can other tv channels. so the world today is starting. it's not up to that, but the starting to wake up the people in the united states and in europe, not one tour, the only people suffering from this. what is the p and american people? it's the american back spare that when the by the administration and the congress faith night put 95 the. but stephen, as i pointed out, as i asked you a question that makes the american people just as comfortable, these are their leaders making decisions. i don't want the stench of of genocide

you uh, able to escape people that you can't say. and i've been saying this for weeks now. lionel has been with me every step of the way. you can't say you didn't know. you can't say that any more line will jump in. i saw you want to jump in. a couple of things here. i always ask my friends, that's because you must understand. i always try to, lord this a peter, i've been doing this thing professionally to him to talk radio for over 35 years and i am an expert in ignorance. i mean, that's why i'm an expert. i have a ph, d in it. and the thing that i always ask you, what is, what if you were to what if you were to imagine what if you were to change the name of the word, instead of israel, call it friends. the different story completely. we can't do that. the 2nd irony is that we talk about borders and we talked about is real big, basically maintaining it borders have to okay, that's fine in my country right now. if we don't have any border taught in federal on board and you have people coming in from everywhere. so we, we have this schedule for an attitude. there's one other thing i want to ask you

gentlemen, how can you ever cease fire when only one fire one side is firing? what does this even mean? and the next question, very quickly, because i'm a lawyer. there's something called proportionality. we have in our country the right to defend yourself, but you must be proportion. you could only be w 4 to w 4. we had the v i, c j, basically say in an indictment. this is pick what, whatever scaling count you want. how is it that these very simple facts are in, are being ignored, not by the, the, the, the laughter of those people who are a sensible bite and supporters who will not be by the way, on the ticket, but by conservatives or others who are, who are supposedly against buying, but for war and you have now left the you so to speak for now clamoring for more war. i mean, it was a line or white. this is the, this is the poverty of the situation will go to michael. this is a issue of conscience. this goes, what does it it's not left, right?

it's not. that's nonsense. these people spin it that way, but it's nonsense. it's about conscience. i mean, i mean i, i, how do you feel with yourself knowing that this was happening, michael as well it's, it's going to get worse. yeah. unfortunately, we have, we have a country that chooses to ignore facts as minor points out. they, they don't, they don't want to know the facts. they have their ideological bent, and that's the direction they're going. that's why people like victoria newland is so dangerous that the near cons are so dangerous. they're the ones who have gotten this into this calamity. not only here, but in a rock in the afghanistan, even in the vietnam, i mean it, it goes on and on. and they are in both political parties. in spite of our efforts to try to start a 3rd one, they don't want to listen and they're going to be,

they're going to be uh, uh, uh, the victims of their own demise because they brought it on themselves. and this is where it's going. the united states is very comfortable, we could stop this crap tomorrow, and if we were to absolutely cut it off and happily and hopefully that can happen in the house. but i doubt that they're going to be able to hold on eventually they'll cave. but what do we gain? nothing? absolutely nothing. meantime is lot of points that are old porter is wide open and we've got m s m s, 13. we've actually got the cartels in control. so we have our own problems and the people along the border really understand that problem. and the, and people in the blue states in the, in the cities are beginning to understand that more and more. yeah, which really interesting, you know, michael, before we go to the break here, i'm glad you brought up these other issues because this shows us time and again that these are a lead to issues these that are in things that are important to the leads not to

anyone else? i mean, and it's very interesting of that mirrors around the world. it would be a look at these that it meets in the middle east, but it still won't really speak up. i mean, it's very shameful, but they have their relief agenda align with with their western masters. ok. but everyone is saying that no one can hide from this. but basically since you can watch it on live television. i, gentleman, i'm going to jump in here we go. to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power,

a good division with no real live indians. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as 1st? can you see through their illusion going underground can of the, after the end of world war 2, great britain decided to make up for his losses with the merciless exploitation of its colonies. the plundering of the occupied territories. had my la, devastated as a result of the decades loan fighting extremely hard. j, as in grew ended 1948, the colonial administration was forced to declare

a state of emergency in response patriots. united him to the malay in people's liberation army. and began a guerrilla war, london decided to suppress resistance, georgia and mass d, port agents executions of civilian n, sprain of chemicals, scale being, and cutting off ads. these were the barbaric methods, the british used trying to keep my la, within their empire. the massacre in the village of baton gully, committed by the scots guards against the unarmed beds because a particular stir. the entire male population became victims. trying to suppress the gorilla movement, the occupiers relocated 500000 people to concentration camps. for roses cruel de bore its fruit, the patriots were scattered. however, the british experienced the strength of the malay resistance to the full extent. the british army losses in the la, where the largest since the end of world war 2. in 1957, the british empire was forced to recognize malay in independence. the resilience of

them a late people put an end to the history of british colonialism in south east asia. the a welcome back across the top, where all things are considered on peter roosevelt's remind you were discussing palestine. the . okay, let's go back to steven steven, is my viewers though. i by training, i'm a historian and academic historian, and i'm acutely aware of the historical facts when i see monuments, when i travel to different cities, i'm very happy that i understand the historical contacts and why people remember these people, these individuals in history. but we're in

a historical moment right now, and we are all witnesses to history. we're all witnesses to what's happening or what's happening now and could potentially happen to the city of rafa. with 1100000 more people, more than 1100000 people crowded and being pushed into the sea or, and potentially across a board or we're all watching this happening. okay? and that's what makes this a very historical moment. because if you look at the, the, the, the other times that israel mo, most the grass are mostly mowed the lawn. there wasn't as much coverage of that. okay. and now there is so much coverage of it. it just turns your stomach that you were actually witnessing that this is real steven. uh, that, uh, the, what's happening today is heartbreaking. and as you said, the world is watching. and the world can i do anything about it. like the normal

people it can, i don't. uh, the only way you to find this at the sub, this is the resistance because the united states is the only country that has influence on a mad person called those. you mean nothing, you know is doing a m, i is the domestic or, and the stuff with use of the people that the men, women and children of the south africa tried their best. other countries tried their best and politically, the only way is resistance. because of this, the solution can be finished today as your guest said in the 2nd, if the, if the, by the administration and then other states. of course, benjamin anything else on the table and do the 2 state solution and then the border . the mac is $67.00. uh the products to whom good the good of and these will get shut off on the back. this use will get the joint on his back and everyone live in peace. you'll won't be anymore. you'll won't be in detention. but because benjamin netanyahu today, once this worked ago,

as long as if there's because he afraid he is afraid of going to prison. because of the disruption files, so he doesn't care about the millions of 70, and he doesn't care about the, the what you can put, endangered the whole region and the economy of the region and the economy of the world. but steve, and he doesn't even care about the captives being held in the gaza strip by him. us that's pretty obvious is well, it's obvious when they, when what 3 of their own soldiers were tried to surrender. speaking hebrew, yelling, and he broke. they were shot down. it shows the mentality, a mattress, the government, but as a society, i'm afraid your line. oh, i don't know how many i've lost count blink and going to the middle east. i don't know. this is like a netflix series. they just can't be, you know, it cancels okay. and it's just boring. okay. um, i think it's a complete fraud. i think it's a complete act. and you know these, these like he gets in front of a podium and says how much he cares about children. well,

how can someone say that when we've seen all what we have seen and continued to see, i think it's an act. i think it's a fraud, lionel, to please ask me a simple question for you. i want to scream and obviously at the end of our discussion of the big no, no, we need more time. i must say something. i'll never forget. the most important words of tolstoy who said history would be a wonderful thing. if only it were true. we have a sketch of frantic reference to history, some history. we like some history. we don't want we, we love to hear about. i heard somebody who saw so by somebody who held up a bible and said this is our, this is our deed, i'm thinking, oh my gosh, this is not, this is not going to be effective. we're gonna be arguing biblical real estate here . and that's one thing. the other thing which is interesting is recently i don't think i especially remember our mainstream media are hanging on there. they've called the code. they've straight line. yeah. decades it. yep. the other day when tucker carlson,

held the world spell bound by asking by meeting with vladimir putin and the world was waiting for the count down, i've seen people realize whole li, wow. this is a new world because of people on the internet of platforms, people 5 years ago, i think we've talked about these names like finkelstein, who was the d. b cooper of the dark web. it's guy was just absolutely absent it more and more people from more and more platforms are talking about this and but also keep your eye on what's happening to the once explosive and promising bobby kennedy trajectory. who was going to be this, you know, left and right, who, by the way, has been biased in some respects of some of left. it left a young circles found that his adherents and his reputation of the is rarely side of the, of the argument is going to hurt him politically. so americans and biting in the

left and the right or can, can live in this bubble and just kind of a goldfish bowl they want. but the world is speaking completely differently. i'm, i'm, i'm talking to you when i'm going to be done with this wonderful conversation and go back to my fish bowl, where i live, i'm thinking, are you people out of your mind? do you not know what everybody and i mean everybody is saying and, and it's that it's, it's that cone of silence. oh, but i live, i think maybe michael, you know, i'm a little bit more optimistic considering how pessimistic our situation is here. we're not talking about a poll tax, we're not talking about, you know, the, the, the speed limits on the free way. okay. now we're talking about really fundamentally human issues. and up until recently we never even use the word genocide in terms of current events. things have changed really fundamentally. well i, i right as long as netanyahu is in power,

i don't have that much hope because there's no one to stand. it is way. he's beginning to sound like the nazis that the jews ran well escaped from. he's talking, he's how people have been writing my my, my cold like, oh you're, you're proving my point. you're just proving my point right now saying something like that in a, in september of last year was unheard of. now i hear this all of the time the discourse is changing. keep going. yeah, he, he wants to eliminate the palace standing and say, what's the go? one way. he doesn't care how he wants to read. he has, he has pushed this entire madness to biblical proportions. and, and, and re established what he believes to be, what god had, has given to the jewish people. when you get to that kind of frenzy outlook. it's hard to stop somebody except uh, to take them out. 11 way or the other. and this man has gone over the top and there's nobody to stop him. right?

well, i'm not, i'm not, i'm not sure completely convinced of that stephen. you know, this is one thing that october 7th and it was a tragedy and atrocities were committed. let's make no mistake, but israel's invincibility is been shattered. it's deterrence has been shattered and it's boiling for a. busy or with love and on i now i think it's inevitable that there will be a more that this is really high stakes stuff. okay. the us consent aircraft carriers, but you know what? their 10 aircraft carriers can sink. okay, we're building up to something very, very big, and it's very ex essential stephen a s. then jimmy nathaniel starts a war was up on and we're talking about something big. we're talking about his beloved. we're talking about a group where he tre, we're talking about a group. well, uh well what the nice,

we're not talking about some small missiles lebanese made or. busy unsophisticated mister like they're using good stuff and they, and there's this thing that you've been seeing just so can the imagine what will happen to the north occupied land. uh, by this time, uh, israel and the center like a lot of even other cities. what's what happened from the pop, the missile power and the power of his beloved rock, talking about them. he just 15. his people been speaking the whole vision in the van. and she's a lot of talking about the reason war that i like the principal not are not going to leave his bundle by itself. even if the americans inter, we are talking about you're not interfering celia in therapy any. you're off into a feeling? no, talking, something massive. yeah. but they've been driven to make it even, even though you've painted a very bleak picture. i can make it even more bleak for you. is that the west will go along with it. it, it can't do it. otherwise it doesn't know how to stop line. oh,

let me go to you. do again. you're kind of my so mom in or upper uh, american public opinion. i mean, do people realize how dangerous the situation we're in right now? no. this is, i'm, i'm, i'm sorry to keep saying this because you, i, again, we live in it and i'm talking about the average and, and by the way, well, intended, good people, a gentleman, there is something that happens in, in my country here, that whatever the word war happens, we feel almost invincible. we are back in straight or, and we point to the heavens and we stand for liberty and we have this a deal. and this like, but do you understand the moving parts here? do you understand who these people are? and i try my, but let me just say very quickly, is it? can you imagine just let me ask you if one day there is a knock on the door, you're in italy. if somebody knocks on the door, it says, hi, this is my land. now i'm from brooklyn,

this is my so let me just stop right there. how would you feel? and you, you view, they look at me sometimes and they're thinking, i know you're gonna laugh. i know you're gonna laugh. what i'm telling me is they're saying, well, what is, is that going on? i'm thinking, oh my god, yes, that is what's been going on for 75 years. now. remember something as, as mirrors i'm or says there's something called realism. i met say right or wrong, i'm telling you the way it is. this is what people are thinking, not which why not? who's correct? but if you're laboring under a delusion, irrespective of your side and you've got weapons including nuclear weapons, you but you're start paying attention to what the, what they the one of the big drawbacks here. michael, you finish off the last 30 seconds here. if you disagree or just called an anti semite, that's still a very potent weapon. go ahead, michael. what else i can. yeah. and my case, it's hard to call them. yes, actually. so i might, since i am one,

however it's the reality is i see what that yahoo has done. i know the history and i also understand what it's going to lead to. and it's, and he's no better than the nazis that they ran away from. i can't get over this the way they are treating the palestinians today. it is outrages and intolerable. well everyone, well, we're all on record of what we said as what was happening. i have a clear conscience, gentlemen, that's all the time we have wanted to take my guess and rest in new york and without the yeah, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our

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