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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter level american investor, david sacks as to ukraine. complex is based on paul. so it's and to see about how it started, how it's going, and how it will end. on this edition of the program, we examine all 3 propositions. the cross walk in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, dan kabbalah can pittsburgh. he is a professor of law and author of the plot, the scape goat russia in salt lake city. we have david pine. he is deputy director of national operations for the task force on national and homeland security and invalid. we cross the carlos out. he is a political analyst has started and host of the silk and steel podcast. all right, gentlemen, cross stock rolls and the fact that means you can jump any time in want and i

always appreciated. i'm going to go 1st to dan. i mean, i really like how the, the investor, mr sacks of broke it down into 3 parts. so let's look at the 1st one. how did the complex start and ukraine? because he's saying that western media is preventing allies false hood and defeat. go ahead, den. yeah, well 1st of all, as you know, i've been to the don bass twice in the last year and really a lot of it centers around there that the, the conflict really began in 2014, with the to against the democratically elected government. and tia but qu, that the us back, right when government came to power, which is very hostile towards its russian, ethnic and speaking populations, particularly in the east, particularly in the dawn bass. and when the dog bass dynette skin lu hogs, uh, became alarmed about where the country was headed,

they declared their independence of from t a with the referendum and ts began to shell and attack. yeah. but then i thought i thought it all started one morning in february of 2022, the rushes suddenly attacked. you great, that's the narrative that we get in the west. there. that it's a not a true narrative already by then 14000 people had died in that conflict between t. evan and the john bass and russians. intelligence was that uh, a key. i was preparing for an invasion uh, a ground invasion of, of the don bass. and a russian decided to could not allow that. okay, wait, wait. i have that from the oh, i see you don't even need that from a residence or is this a david in salt lake city? i mean, when we, when we look at the origins of the complex, very little is said about how the ukranian military had been nato allies,

where you hadn't on nato advisors, recognizance. i mean, everything you need for more modern army was being pumped in there at a furious rate that's never mentioned in the narrative visit david, you know, it's not we had about $1008.00 o troops including, you know, of course, the south county ca operatives training and the pre military, we were training and at the rate of 10000 a year with 8008 or trained troops and you see creating our media to forms kind of the lead forces of, uh, the deeper in for me and uh, uh, we were we had joint military exercises with uh, between nato and ukraine, inside of the crate and western deep. right. and uh, and then finally we had a uh bite and signed a, a strategic strategic partnership agreement between us and, and ukraine. which of course was able to get us russian and all these were

a necessary publications, as was just stated in this, possibly really again, with the, the 2014 coo that was authorized by then vice president by a binding really is the common denominator in uh is starting this morning. that's why a long been referred to as far as binds were rather include as well as it'd be part ways we made it before. it was by the way that it was mix for it was victoria newlands war. i thought i kept calling it back in 2014 with carl in in bali. well, another issue that is not mentioned it is that in this, in december 2021. before the conflict in february 2022, russia basically sent out its terms saying we, we want to avoid a conflict here, but we will react to military and technical re means. and that was completely ignored. again, not part of the narrative. carl, it exactly is like, uh, this is bored and pointed out during his uh, tucker,

crossing interview. grandma harris actually went to europe and set hopefully get the balance that ukraine should be walk them into natal. i mean, the 2017 is when the work broke out, but it's really a cumulation of the study nato expansion use worst since 1992, which is really, i mean it's, it's the whole purpose was to justify the continue existence of nato optical war. you know, nato was formed against soviet union, so union collapsed. russian wanted to be friends with the west, but all the nato bureaucrats realize, wait a minute, they're going to be out of jobs. so it's all about jobs is all about jobs, and it's about money and, and hubris. so i would say, okay, dan, let's take a look at the 2nd question. how is the war going? well, according to the munich security conference, that ended up last week. so everything is basically on court. it's a, it's tough, you know, tough times ahead and all that. but russia is losing ukraine is winning again. what's wrong with that narrative, dan? yeah, no rush,

it has steadily gain ground in this war very methodically and slowly, but that's their strategy. i mean they like israel and gaza rush is actually taking great pains not to destroy a civilian infrastructure and kills civilians. and so they have slowly but surely gained a regions in the eastern ukraine, and they have widowed away at the ukraine, you know, army, to the point where, frankly, you know, as we know, ukraine's been forced to now can script people off the street, elderly people, and disabled people because they have no one else left by and um, you know, they're always on the verge of being out of munitions as well. even the west nato was running out of munitions because of this war rush i, i think, is, it could be said to be handily winning this war. it could when it overnight, if it wanted to. again,

if it wasn't the carpet bomb key of like again the u. s. and 8 or willing to carpet bomb, you know, survey or whatever. they could do that, but they don't, you know, dan, but it's really interesting is that zalinski and he's a jet set or he gets the fly all over the place of these fancy conferences, but they are poor. it is still open in care of has been during the entire conflict . it hasn't been bombed. okay. and this is something that's it ever pointed out it, you know, david, what's really interesting, again, mentioning the munich security conferences that according to zelinski, they're, they, they're, that they're facing challenges because of the republicans in the house of representatives that watch with you. you know, it does, it certainly is the us as a primarily responsible for prolonging this war. uh there was of course the a simple peace agreement which was 90 percent complete as president and outline for it is doctor crossing the interview. and then it was a, you know, this, this was a very favorable agreement towards a, towards the pray. uh,

what is the entail the entire control russian forces outside of the don boss and crimea. premier of course really was always russian, but the dog boss was much disputed. and you know, this was a, this was actually your really the ideal argument. this is kind of the that was the piece agreement, essentially that i would argue that biden's trying to get back to that, but he wouldn't be too asleep project. and so he torpedo, that the prior to that it was the biggest agreements that was really an ideal that uh, a free brain that, that was championing. now of course, it's anonymous disagreements and offices agreement that, that i called for back in september of 2022 and the national interest. you know, my own real worth of staff. and you know, that is, that is really the key. that is the key to, you know, a piece of it is an essence without pictures. a, you know,

you pray or you prank and smid as victory. nato can spend a victory. of course, it's more of a victory for russia overall, but it's uh, it would be 18 percent of your grades that are actually recognized territory in neutrality, outside of nato. and those would be the 2 main terms. and most of those terms are, you know, obviously, neutrality. yes, i mean, it was something that, uh, so lensky belatedly agreed to the day after the invasion. so. uh yeah, no, yeah. its all, its all a matter of coming. coming back that commonsense and us down to peace and stability for the region. unfortunately, we're not there yet, and we won't be for a long time. you know, carol, what we, what we have here is that i didn't know we've had over the last few weeks and to all countries like germany, france, the u. k. signing security agreements with ukraine. i don't know why they're doing it in the middle of a conflict. i don't know what re crane is they're actually talking about. and this is, you know, and on top of it, instead of trying to secure as much funding as they can from the west,

nobody is talking piece, at least in the west. nobody in nato is coughing piece. that is the biggest problem here. exactly. i mean, the problem is not funding the united states can pres, money up to the was used for the problem is us. and to a certain extent, europe has been sold the industrialized that they can not even provide artillery shells for you create and you know, united states have over the altogether, dear trillion dollars and military budget. and yet, it can change even produce strawman military goods that needed to win was a slight artillery shots. russia alone is all producing the desired able country combined right now is the ukraine is, i mean, the objective observer of the conflict will tell you, your brain is losing, the war is more hours clashing is manpower, is being depleted now they're talking about sending refugee ukrainian man from the back of europe to, to,

to be drafted. and they're talking about co scripting women. i mean, how much, how could you create when there's, there's no tactful victory for your brain at this point? well, i mean, but, but they seem to think the people and nato world think that, you know, 60 $1000000000.00. well, they'll be there just around the corner. i cannot conceive dan, real quick. i can't even, even if they got the money, what did they go to do with it? they? yeah, again, they don't have the troops anymore in the, in the morales thinking, i mean, i think honestly this war will be over. i'm predicting by the end of the summer whether they send the $60000000000.00 or they don't. well, yeah, i mean, but of course this is supposed to be money that will go into potentially the next administration. so they want, it seems to me the arms dealers and all the a cut out to the n v o's. they want a secured of funding into 2025. they think that's what it seems more about. always gentlemen, it's never really about ukraine, is it?

it's all about the money. it's all about the grip or a gentleman. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go and go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. the, [000:00:00;00] the release of russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best, most all sense and the must

be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will fan in the european union, the kremlin media machine, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the question, did you say stephen twist, which is the welcome back across stock? were all things are considered? i'm peter lavelle to mind you were discussing. you create the

okay, let's go back to david in salt lake city a. let's go to the 3rd proposition. how the war will and well, it's really difficult to grapple with this one because if you look at the official narrative rush, i lost a half a year ago, but they're still looking for money to keep ukraine propped up. i mean, they can't even get that talking point straight, go get russia is already lost. so ukraine is winning. i mean, and, you know, when you, with all the social media right now, these telegram channels here, it's really hard. i mean, if you have even a passing interest in, in the topic, it's quite obvious that this official narrative is know, and boy, david yes, absolutely, right. i mean, do you agree is lost nearly 30 percent of its g p. that was 27 percent of his population, 18 percent of its territory. they lost a, according to the most reasonable and moderate estimates of half a 1000000 troops. dad are seriously wounded, which is about 3 times higher than what rushes lost in rocky by

a single square ridge of rough in territory. i mean, there's literally no metrics that nato could use to, to judge that uh, you agree is wayne or, yeah, we can see it here. you know, your, this, uh, this nonsense uh, i mean, uh, zalinski recently stated that the ukraine military consists of 600000 active duty trips. until recently it was 1300000. so it could, the casualties actually could be over 50 percent. it could be 700000 ukrainians, killed her seriously. what it did. so it, this has been a disaster for you craven. i'm preparing to write any waterfall that's nearly completed, but it should be coming to the knowledge it any unbiased observer that this has been a disaster. this whole of this whole, you pray nato membership pursued has been really just irrational. it's been absolutely give us theater. so, but a few pretty, it is in a very much so it gets the us national security interest as well, which is peace with russia. and we ought to be a have

a strategic partnership with rational along the lines of uh, what was proposed in december uh by uh, the russian federation with their uh, mutual security agreement which was made on which was very fame, which was absolutely acceptable. uh it as written and uh, as well as the one that was offered to us, which are 75 percent acceptable. yeah, and carl, what they did, because for, for russia, it has been de to expansion and even the head of nato salt and birds. he admitted this finely, belatedly, he wouldn't say it honestly for the uh, good part of the complex when he came out and maybe it was unintended still on his part. we don't know, but he even admitted a rush. it started it's military operations because of nato expansion. so what did they do? they expand nato, i think be the the you've already mentioned tucker carlson, this interview with vladimir putin. and again he was asked point blank uh, how would you like to see a ceasefire? would you like to see an end of this conflict? and the russian president said, yes, i can. okay, i mean,

i don't know what else you can do. i mean, the most watched interview in the world. if you have a passing interest in this, you know what rushes position is, b k because it came from the president, smiled himself. but that, of course, was ignored. carl, or exactly, it's branding right now. it's still secure, be leading washington and europe. that's driving the war, you know, we know what happened during the negotiation to do that. the early phase of negotiation to the end, the war and horace johnson came saying and tell you cry. no, no, no, we will back you a 100 percent. and right out, even if the west to back ukraine, 100 percent, and ukraine still cannot achieve victory. as i said earlier, the united states has been sold the industrialized. he cannot provide ukraine was the, did the munition and these wizard totally shout. you need us. can people frame money by proctor certain point?

they're just papers, you know what you can set 60000000000 dollars worth of paper to ukraine? that's not going to help you bring quote. uh well actually carl ends up mostly coming back to the suburbs in virginia. okay. at the end of the day, i mean it, it's a griff, it's a huge griffin. i think that's why a lot of these people are pushing the 6 me with billions because they know it's the last time they're going to be able to feed at the trough. okay, so they want to get paid in advance. okay. it's a is a cynical. yeah. but this whole idea, this whole complex is so cynical, it's the most avoided avoidable conflict in my lifetime. and i've seen a lot of conflicts, you know, dan, what's really interesting and we can throw in the, the gods a dimension here. and look at this kind of globally, is that you have the west on the wrong side of issues. okay. you have the united

states in europe. so supporting a, a racist regime and, and cab a racist regime in israel. and the whole world can see this dance to know it's absolutely right. i was listening to george galloway this. busy morning and he said, you know, the west, the sun is now setting in the west and it is now rising in the east, which is very clear as you say, the whole world sees the difference in how russia prostitutes this war, new created. now israel prosecute the war, guys a, i think this statistic i saw was that about less than $600.00 children have died in the special military operations in ukraine. meanwhile, you already have something like 15000 children who died in gaza and intentionally so it's a brutal, brutal campaign that's happening in gaza in a very short period of time. we also have to, you know, recognize as opposed to, you know,

we're now with 2 years in to the conflict and ukraine. if we started from the beginning, the special military operation. so yes, it's very clear that uh, any uh, superior moral, superior or the, the west could ever climb. and that was always a dubious proposition. it can't claim it anymore. you know, it's a david, i had a look at, does zalinski speech in, in munich. and it will, it would be hilarious, hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. is it he was using, talking points from the secretaries. they blink and you know, the rules based order and i just thought, here's your account. you have no freedom of speech in your country. you'll be political opposition. political parties are banned. you have this news telephone on propagandizing, you know, and can leave your country. i mean, what rules based orders, are you talking about maybe the same rules base order, the blinking things when he thinks of god. so i don't know, david,

what do you think? yeah, i agree. i think uh, so the rules based order, you know, apply is always to other countries. does apply for us. uh, the us, uh, you know, box and are these countries at well, and i'm saying this is a patriotic american. i love, i love america. i think, i think there's still hope for us to get back on track to establish a peace with russia and do so in a, in a way that's a fair adjust. but uh, you know, i mean, examples of already been given through this uh, this conversation with, uh, you know, the, uh, the department of serbia. um, yeah. libya of course, uh the us and the uh, visions of iraq afghanistan, which was partially justifying iraq, which was not in syria as well. so we have a lot of examples of, of us behaving badly as a bully, a international bully and doing so unprovoked and unjustified in the case of ukraine. yes, it was an illegal invasion, but it was very much for me, but they couldn't have been more per box and put in uh, you know, words stroke for

a peaceful diplomatic solution for at least 14, perhaps 15 years prior to the, to the war. couldn't have been more clear beginning with the speech has the minutes security conference in 2007. so i responded to the bushes threat to, to add the grading in georgia and the data. and it was uh, you know, i mean again doing so was completely, it gives us national security interest, but it was all about expanding america's uh, liberal empire as, as uh sooner. josh raleigh, bradley calls it a try to expand our square of influence right up to russia's entire western frontier. and that would be unacceptable from it. you know, we need to have more strategic empathy with russia if the united states really interesting people like ourselves, our, our patriotism is question, you know, okay, i, i am a conservative and i think for, and more support interventions or it is not a conservative idea. okay. it's a b, it's these liberal a leads. okay. it's really interesting. people like victoria new and taken. so

between republican and democrats, of white easily because she's a neil con. okay. they have their own set of values, and it's not the rules based order that i would understand as a conservative. you know, carl, it's, i've always thought that this ridiculous expansion of nato was a to undermine russia, obviously, to throw it out of completely out of europe. you need the sanctions. i'm actually for because it's help the rest is economy and is in there and the soviet union was our talk it anyway. okay, so it, russian knows how to adapt here. but the real, the real aim of course, is a challenge. china. and so their ridiculous child like a calculation was we knock out rush and then we take on china. i mean with that kind of calculus, i thought, you know, they, they were the adults in the room. carl, it is, there is no galaxy. the people in washington all the care about the short term uh, short term self interest, which is continued to feed the try for the military industrial complex. i'm giving

up, even though sanchez pointed out back in 2011 and you set up the goal is to use of the dentist on 2 watched money out of the tax base of the us and europe dropped in . it's not a back into the hands of trans national security leave. the go is an endless war, not as successful awards. so this goes back to what you're saying about quick, you know, big at this point. they probably don't even care. you think when you, craig, as long as they can keep you the proxy where it is russia to quote unquote, lead russia at the same time to feed the military industrial complex back at home? yeah, you know dan, thinking about ending this, this is what me is really kind of problem matic because it's already been mentioned around this program. the men's got a process which the west was deceitful about. we had assemble again the seat, and i don't see any kind of real agreement to end it. it will end on russia's terms at the end of the day because you can't make an agreement with these people. they

lie and they break their agreements. they even are open about it. damn. yeah, well, it's all very true. and also we have to remember that this could have been ended in march of 2022 with an agreement that the landscape was, was willing decided to sign and which would allow the ukraine to keep bob's territory ro, hey, i didn't know, dan, let me add to that, okay. they were asking zalinski to agree to something, but he didn't even have any more. the don bass, they were just saying you have to give up the don bass and cry me something ukraine didn't even have at the time. that's how good of a deal it was. then it was a good deal in the us and u. k. intervene to stop that agreement from going forward. essentially a washer was offering a do over for the west and they didn't take it. and now ukraine will not exist, as it has, it will, they will not get at least the 4 republic said have voted to go with russia. they will never get those back. and that is firmly on the heads of the leaders of the us

. well, i think, you know, ending the program is going to have to be named the country um, um ben data span. okay. because it's going to be the european union that is going to have to take care of a, it's going to be a war and it'll be a state lit that will have to be supported or a gentleman that's all the time we have a one, i think my g as in bali, pittsburgh and, and such as salt lake city. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time and remember prospect rules the, the who, what i would show seemed wrong. just don't

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