tv Cross Talk RT February 23, 2024 9:30am-10:01am EST
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whatever the us state department needs to push a narrative and what better platforms on the stage? although the results look embarrass me, contrived, the showman always delivers this time. it was an awkward chunk of racist antics stream. is alexi nova these name after yet another uninvited political lecture on the audience would never have or say so i thought somebody from the, even, we might anyway, think of a self appointed lecture in international affairs, what's stopping there? another thing coming on i went on to pedal, the natal fontose, the narrative, the vladimir putin was stopping in ukraine even suggested the russian might invade the long, deformed east germany. but demonstrates the extent of his geopolitical knowledge for his captive audience.
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tried to destroy the freedoms. next these germany, particularly the vertically challenged cleaner, was one of the 1st to jump on the bandwagon a visit. yeah, back in 2022 funnel arrived at the invitation of the lansky. unbundle can literally see i to i with a many things just don't mention the oppression of the press on a string of human rights abuses by the regime there. but it was born a so called poll about ukraine that really stole the show and st. patrick's day. prepare the sick bags. i got this message this morning from bonham. and most of us were always whether we're in ireland or here, whatever it is. of i know has been a very irish part of our lives. and he said, and they struggle for us to be free from the psycho and this human family. a
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ireland sorrow and pain is now the ukraine. and saint patrick's name is now. so in ski, so it's, it is sad maelstrom strides nancy pelosi, who we told you last night is among many other things. a military strategist. today, she may have unveiled the most powerful weapon in her armament, which he sending directly to ukraine. now was not a missile sought an anti tank, stay here. it's not a mic. it's a palm bono. love you too well took across it quite rightly ridicule the st. patrick's day creams. 5th, it's important not to underestimate the depth of bundles, links to the us, at least it seems. there's no one with the checkbook that the mini maestro won't jump into bed with when it comes to his foundations. he's even the 20 real shoulders with the likes of tony blair and george bush, both responsible for millions of a legal debts in iraq. tony blair was not going to war for oil. tony blair, to me,
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is a great politician. the sincere and his convictions about iraq, we must not make a martyr of saddam hussein. he is good at working the cameras. we shouldn't make it easy for him. pano is now a permanent fixture in the halls of western power, being invited to speak at the munich security conference, the g 8 summit, the world bank of the world economic form. what is brand? a blinker, morality is becoming harder and harder to defend. just sponsors, war machine shows no sign of a bathing final piece of advice from one irishman about another in a world for the panos, be a roger waters, a good piece of work right there from monkeys shape bodies. he's all across the telegraph by the way. i have a look for him. he does a lot of good investigative work, shedding light on natalie topics. this is audrey international. we all back the
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hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt. the united states. it is orbit of vassal states or the coalition against peace from ukraine to gods i. it is the fight in ministration. it is against most of the world and historic wind is blowing against the west, the cross hockey in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analysts in rome. we have ramsey are rude. he is a palestinian authoring journalist and they wrote, we cross the alan of the medina. he is a coordinator for the policy need one democratic state initiative in lebanon. right? gentleman cross black roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want.
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and i always appreciate ramsey, let me go to you 1st here. i mean, we were uh, in the afterglow of the united states for the 3rd time rejecting a cease fire at the united nations security council. quite interestingly, in a man, i usually don't quote on this program. if i do quote it, it's very disparagingly is joseph burrell. we who is what b e u high commissioner for foreign policy. and he was set in a recent venue that there is a historic wind blowing against the west. his words and the rejection of the united states almost singularly alone in the world against a cease fire. put to put the 2 together for me or so the world knows what he's talking about. peter. i mean, this is a man who kind of assigns himself to these kinds of hyped understanding of the world. and he referred west to europe as a jungle and as a, as a garden. and the rest of the world is a jungle. this find it. so he thinks in philosophical terms, and he knows he knows he's correct, that in fact, the united states has deprived itself but also its western allies and its allies
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anywhere in the world, from any kind of legitimacy to, uh, to international law, to uh, conflict resolution. i mean the fact that, uh, the uh, we deal with the vehicle for the 3rd time, not doing any sort of political decisions that could be to personalizing the with being with israel. that's rather up. she is the to, we need you to human a tell you this is buyer to steve. oh and of what father children are dying from hunger in northern goes up and people are dying in there. so i was, is in the girl just to yet the united states still found that objectionable. so how would you just be probably the biggest on to the national law? how do you just divide that one on, based on political expediency or necessity? there is no moral legal, ethical,
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or political justification to the behavior of the united states as the u. s. legitimacy. since it's allies. well, all of the rest are going to sink as well. all this, it's definitely true, the u. k is so i'm mentioning the possibility of limiting some parts to these really military because they see the historical wind blowing against them. you know, light of, you know, j a joe biden, you know, even on his best days is, is a bit confused, and i'm being generous here and it's been released to the media that he has some quite disparaging things to say about fee is rarely prime minister netanyahu words i can't pronounce on this program, but you could well imagine the most powerful man in the world is being pulled around by the nose, by the israeli prime minister. and only thing the boat abiding can do is swear. line. oh, i would like if i could to, to call my segment of the natives are clueless or view from the fish bowl because i
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represent to you what is happening, what i see here in my country. i know what is the for the west, but i'll speak for american media by 1st question that i have to ask everybody and you get them and perhaps maybe can help me with this. why do we use the term ceasefire? the you, you, it, that americans believe is somehow how mouse isn't this, that there is a battle going on and there, there is just firing that is that israel, the say we will stop firing when you home us retreat from your miles of tunnels india. and i'm thinking of myself, there is no, it is unilateral, we don't need a cease fire. one could argue just stop firing. it's like a fight takes you hostage, and i negotiate to cease fire. the police are going to say we have it. no, no, it's you, you've taken this. so that's the 1st thing. the 2nd problem we have is americans in american media still don't understand the term genocide. we have to change this.
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they're taking a railroad cars and house rich, and that is true. but we also very quickly have to explain i c c. first is i c, j. i'm still trying to explain to people what that means. we use the terms interchangeably. so again, from the fish bowl here while you generate gentleman live in a more rarefied world, i am trying to explain the scenario and rudiments of what's happening basically, according my fellow americans with reality. yeah, big line or if i can go to our guest and they route allen, you know, i, i don't want to sound perverse or anything, but i think it, they set up gas chambers and guys. so it, it still wouldn't change the american administration's position. that's how, how pathetic and terrifying our time is right now. go ahead now and and be route. thank you for having a i agree. i think it is indeed pathetic and i think it's good to try and understand. what are the powers in the us that are actually benefiting from,
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from this situation? because that's definitely not, not us society that is benefiting from the genocide. one of the events that can help us understand what's happening is when we look at a talk, which of these, for in the lobby in the us see, or spending tens of millions of dollars literally by us representatives, side the us population are electing them. but then a talk is stealing them from the people who elected them to present them. we also have, we can also see what's happening with the, the capitalist, the nature of the us, for example, in the arguments industry that they called the defense industry. much like the i d s. m, and the chief of luck sees which makes hundreds of millions of dollars. a said the in october 2023. don't call for an end to the aggression to all the problems can only be solved with weapons and we are ready to deliver these weapons. on the other
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hand, us society is definitely not to benefit him from all this identity. terry and repore that design is through using so for when biting says the jews are not facing the us . it's 10 sending a very bad message to us to as an adult, to us, non jews. so really the u. s. society needs to be freed from this capital. yeah. but i know how it's really i thought you got the idea to terry an issue. i think i'm glad you brought that up because ramsey, you know, we have the current american representative to be united nations. i think on her 1st day she was saying something like the un has to investigate racism in america, which kind of surprised a lot of people being the ambassador, the united nations. but the united states is protecting one of the most racist societies in the world. israel a single today, and i mean this course addictions maybe are obvious to you and to be and, and hopefully to an increasing number of americans as well. but it still hasn't between that we just stood with the warning clauses in the united states. i think
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it's really what can be kind of brought down to this on the very day that that the american representative at the february 20 of the security council february 20 on that very day in which he was ordered to be taught. and of julia visited english and demanding an ink uh, basically into this we can do decide in gaza and level is correct. this is, i mean it's kind of stimulus wood inspired, but if this weight is on the fire and them, so it's not 20 a ceasefire in a traditional were sort of says, but with that very day, why did, has actually been this is more than he was has been to do a fund raising a party for if by a pro is will 1000000000 at who is giving a lot of money to the democratic party. so. so this is what it really comes down to me to my pleasure ends with ramsey. we have to be clear, the, the same billionaires that you're making reference to, they give to republicans and the democrat because these say billionaires,
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they have only one issue is real ok. that's what i and, and of course, you know, the if you, if you don't go along with you get primaries in both parties. ok, that's how dangerous a site you wait. pathetic it is. you know, line all it's interesting is that we've heard the term to state solution. i mean, all of us on this panel and much of our of audience have heard this all of their lives. ok. but isn't an interesting line, or there are no states stopping the genocide, you know, they talk in a 2 state solution is the ideal which i think is a fraud at this point, but no state. and we can't even say, yeah, men because of who these don't control all of them in button b. this, the international state system is not doing anything to stop in genocide, which because due to the conventions after the 2nd world war, they were they were, it was an income incumbent upon them to do that line on yeah, yeah, absolutely. a couple of things here. but if, if i go to add another development that i'm hearing,
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because if it were not for the internet, if it were not for new platforms with new voices. and by the way, the gentleman people that i'm listening to who before october, the 7th. and i would have not spent a moment listening to them. now i'm finding unique solidarity. i came upon vanessa redgrave in 1978, accepting the academy award. and she made a statement about zionism and israel as i listen to this. and you would have thought that i remembered the time that this was the most read talking about palestine, yasser arafat, the po, oh, what kind of a demented by, well, i know we betray our age. i remember it to keep going and patch patty try. epsky, who wrote from network came right afterwards and excoriated her for that. here's the interesting part. what she said is my old to what we're hearing on a regular basis. and very quickly, i'm here recently,
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which is i have not heard before of american jews coming force. and d, mark heating and separating the notion of judaism, fav, americanism. but zion is, for the 1st time i have never heard people trying to de mark aid the fact that, that the, the acceptance of the design and the reason we do not necessarily conflict. the other is like non non overlapping, magisterial, i let me, let me get out one and here before we go to the break, but that's such an excellent point here. you know, ellen, you know, lionel is talking about something that i grew up with and we were all taught to be zine. is that a that was a but we weren't aware of really what that meant. okay. and now when you get to a point where genocide is being committed, you have to stand up and say what you believe and what you don't believe. and you know, joe biden says he says i and this. okay, so he supports this say this is the, the, the barriers that we're, we're, we're encountering in this conversation. go ahead out. and before we go to the
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break, and i think that's just using the expression a 2 state solution implies that it's a solution. it's actually not the state of as well as a states that defines itself as a said exclusive to do that is the original problem. and it can only leads to ethics, ends in genocide as what size we're seeing today. so all the states in the world would say they support to the 2 states, non solution are really for now and hold that thought. unfortunately, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion of house like state without the . ringback the
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the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you were discussing palestine the hey, let's go back to ramsey in room. you know, the number of balls so it's, and the level of deception is really quite incredible. coming from the elite and from their minions in the media here. that number one, the, the american ambassador to the united nation, she said the united states voted against bell julian resolution because of the ongoing hostage talks and plans which is patently untrue. i mean, you can watch international media and the guitar is saying, no, it's not going where looks bad. okay. i mean that was on a false premise. and again, we were, we, we mentioned um the 1st part of the program, the 2 state solution. i mean,
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here you have american officials, tony blinking, who comes out like an undertaker every time he speaks to the public, you know, i say the united states police and a 2 state solution and then the same new cycle. and then yeah, what is it? i spend my whole life different, i just this drawing that possibility and then you have the israeli government or the kinetic going, i'm having a vote, which is meaningless on an international level against any possibility of us to take the state solution. but nobody in western media show is think how the to conflict go ahead a single day. i mean, it's the number that is also the american invasion of the lot. when the w bush was blamed for having a plan for war, we were told but not having a pet for peace. he came up with the road road map to peace and we know how that's worked out in in palestine and as well. and i think this is something very similar to it. we all tried to create a distraction from the war by creating this platform in which we are supposed to
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engage and to talk about the possibilities and what kind of state is it going to be of a state to a hopeless states or it's going to be um, this arm do an advocate and a lot of people said they are engaging in a conversation and you will have $2300000.00 people who are starving to death. so i think the discussion about the state is the solution has nothing to do with these and it has everything to do is to basically have a smoke somewhere else as, as will finishes is doing his side against the palestinians. many people are engaging that with the winning good or, and what seems to be, what is it a really dangerous political joy that is we've aimed at again, just as creating instruction. you know, a line. oh it's, it's, it's very, as we are speaking right now. the israeli government is made it clear that it will go into rafa and the, the is where the government wants some kind of plan for the protection of civilians
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. i, i have no idea where they're, what they're talking about, where are they supposed to go? and again, they're telegraphing what they're going to do, and the only thing the american administration can do, and it's western allies is wag their finger. we better not do that well, considering everything that they've done today. why wouldn't, why wouldn't they stop line on, you know, peter, i'm a lawyer by training and one of the things we do in contract law is a notion of severability when, when something is a part of a contract doesn't work. you don't throw the whole thing out, you just pull that out and you separate the part of it. it doesn't work. there are many, many moving parts to this issue here. and the other day prince william said, i believe something rather rational. he says something about we have to stop the killing and gaza. the reaction from the western media was what kind of heretical nonsense is this? so i'd like to say again from the 1st bowl where i am to say before we talk about
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tuesday, wednesday, what, whatever, let's talk about. is it do, do we all agree that it's a good idea to stop the killing of innocent people? men, women, children not not to abandon the fight against terrorism or how much? no, no, no, no, no. but just right now, let's start with that. and a friend of mine, various dude actually said, i thought i said, can we do that? and they said yes, this is like an all or nothing idea. yeah, i guess it goes back gentleman to the idea that people don't really understand what this is because they imagined as a rule or with sides and village everything, uniforms and take the high ground when in fact this is an incursion, this is something that really doesn't have a definition, it's a, it's a state against either of people, an idea it, it does not have any historical antecedent. so we have to explain very simply, that stopping killing, just does human as humans to humans. there's
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a no way ab negates the responsibility that people have to stop terrorism and, and, and say i, but i mean water but that, but that, that approach that if i can go to alan and be rude, we, we have to kill as many as possible. so we can stop killing. i mean that's what it sounds like to me. yeah, definitely. i think that's our induction in itself is a tool that has to be used for political project. it's either a design is political project or project of genocide or the policy and project, which is a project for a secular and democratic college student in state. so we're not against the use of force in itself. we are against the concept of a racist project and for its anti jesus, the democratic project? well the, the only solution ramsey, you're the ultimate expert on this here is that they are historically we have already come to the solution. and it's a one state solution where everyone must be treated equally icons,
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lionel. and i can say that as americans, you know, i remember i was small, i was small, very little bit. i do remember jim crow. okay. and you have to, you have to come to terms where everyone has to be equal under the law. now, rumsey, we know that because of design is, and that is impossible, but that's why we need to get rid of zionism. that's exactly right. i think when we talk about the one state versus 2 states, it appears as if we're discussing a technical issues, what does do it? well, what is politically plausible achievable, but it as lot of t, it's really is not a bad solution. it's about the reality that you have 2 groups of people, one that is empowered on the arm that supported by the united states. when there is this empowered marginalized and is just basic basically serving the will of the victim for the last 75 years. in order for us to achieve this relationship, we need to examine the ideology. definitely don't want to dismiss in the 1st place . jewels are up pushes, most of them are live in that last for a long,
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long time. and they were just fine designed as a ride lead. and i just actually, the 20, essentially created this ideological best, this racism of this horrific. think of being that is yet to stop all throughout one of the see if we need to get rid of zion is an entirely, in order for us to even start talking about the possibility of coexistence line. oh it, what is it? in terms of the united states 1st, so they will go globally. how, how is this affecting the biting presidency? because, you know, globally, i think, you know, as things stand now as we speak, this is the legacy of the bible administration. a genocide. ok, now i, you've been coming on every week and, and, and demonstrating to us americans think very differently about that because you keep going back to the face bowl. what is it in terms of his legacy now going into re election? i think that's the critical part,
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because up till now the democrats and republicans have been 2 sides of the same coin. they have been in lock step, and there has been absolutely no political repercussions whatsoever. if you were to stray from this, the moment that the real democrats younger, the l. c, brand, the bernie sanders rides the group and contingent. the moment they get some type of, of, of locks that were i got a hold on this. and the moment it becomes a political issue that's when it changes. but right now both sides are identical. and for reasons i will never understand this gets a frame. yeah. we'll, we'll talk about no bodily, but we won't talk about gonzalo laira. we'll dog about. and joe julian hassan, but not really and, and how, how this is the suppression by the way. and, and we allow the suppression of information to, to occur. the moment it stops the moment somebody somewhere,
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whether it's gavin newsom or whoever the democratic nominee is going to be. who says we have to separate ourselves from the other. presume now many donald trump who is in watched at the moment that happened. that's one of the changes. yeah. but the in, i can't wait for it, but let's not hold our breath at the same time. no. and now on your end, be rude. if there is every indication, considering the mass meant of israeli forces on the lebanese border, that there could be another attack on lab and on. this is not the same as it was before. but how worried are you? because you're in be rude. what year within hitting a they these really is easily and they've done it many times before ahead bay would of people in love and i'm worried that netanyahu and his government will expand the more north i am the person in the another freight. okay. um, i know that's as long as this really exists, so we are in danger. so there mass minutes of troops is just something. it's an
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immediate danger, but the danger has always been there. unfortunately, the new society is not trained new registries face to extract because we are also suffering from our own regime, which is also included in your constituents addressing which also politicize is identity. so unfortunately, the team we are fragmented. we are military capable of facing it through we have and we've succeeded in 2002006, but we need a political program full, so 11, and that's united 1st and face of all the danger, you know, every lebanese person that comes out my program says the same thing, you know, we're not afraid. okay. it's so good to hear that. ok. because we're not happy with the experience. teaches you a lot around. so we about one minute and 30 seconds left. i've been doing this with line on now for week after week after week. can you give us any help? please, please give us some hope. the. the hope comes from the people a 100 nearly a 140 days of constant is what the war, the palestinian people are not giving up. they have every intention to give you
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like to continue resisting as being a doc for many, many years. in fact, this paddic, this lease has to be american racism of these vehicles. oh, because the palestinians wouldn't give up as long as the palestinians do not give up and they want the will or was the whole for feed us. but it isn't really interesting. you said you because you know, the, as, as an american, you know, the whole issue of race is constantly being brought up as you comes from the left almost all the time here. but you know, it, one thing that i would like to see happen is that if you want to talk about race, talk about an in a real sense because if everything is racist but nothing is. but if you know that, then you have to examine the foreign policy and, you know, i've said, you know, so many attempt for years now. if americans only knew what their foreign policy was supporting, it's supporting a, her risk regime. and israel go ahead, finish up for us, ramsey to oh, absolutely, i, i think that the,
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the issue of racism has been reduced of love football as a subject to political manipulation. and it has succeeded political reasons for the specially the democrats of the us. and so forth, but the actual research that exist, oh, people being killed because they are the room of mississippi, the room raised the wrong skin color, the little religion. it's happening right now and people are dying and they found it. it's just, it's not, it's not a political slogan, it is something that is very real and, and it can be addressed and should be addressed. and it's all incumbent upon the us government to do that. i don't have a whole lot of gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to take my guess in room in new york and, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember prospect. the
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